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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PROJECT DECORUM - MAIDSAFE - CROWDSALE DISCUSSION THREAD on: August 16, 2018, 12:05:53 AM
Hello, Project Decorum community!

PDC trading is now available on ERC20 DEX: Good trading to all of you!

Also, we are highly welcoming Sell orders for this coin, because we would buy it for our own purpose.

Sorry, keeping hold of mine until it's an established, usable product, or a worthless coin on an abandoned project. Hopefully the former. Trading-shmading. Fundamental punts FTW ;-p
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SFC] SafeCoin - The Real Safecoin. May Launch on: July 09, 2018, 11:30:44 PM
Has the coin already been released because i do not see a wallet link or some essential informaton :/

It has been, although very basic, but a new web wallet will be out shortly.

Many new things are coming for this coin in 2018

FYI:    All remaining holders, please PM me for your choice of refund or token.    Safecoin will be re-launching shortly as its own coin on its own merit.    An Asset-backed coin will be created to replace this existing functionality.    Existing holders may have their choice of the new token (equivalent backed value), or fiat (100% reimbursement).    

NEW UPDATE:    Happy Data Privacy Day!    To Celebrate, SafeCoin is relaunching with an truly innovative new coin!  

New thread here:


This shit still isn't going to fly. MaidSafe is the real deal with a £50M+ company and a holder asset with a $160m+ marketcap. SAFE = Secure Access For Everyone.... and it has done since early 2014, long before you 'came up with the name'.

There's no one in crypto from 2015+ who doesn't know about MaidSafe and SafeCoin. There's also no one from any period who knows about this dog-shit scam.... because it is not worth knowing about, apart from as a warning to others. This scam will only rip off confused noobs or idiots.

If you are newer to crypto then be warned. This project is scamming off the name, trying to adsorb some of the marketing from MaidSafe and con some people who don't know any better.


3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PPC] Pied Piper Coin: A Decentralized Internet on: May 08, 2018, 11:15:53 PM
PiedPiperCoin is based on MaidSafeCoin. They have had MaidSafe's COO (Nick Lambert) over there as adviser for this series. That's why they didn't sound like total idiots when talking crypto this week on the show. Wink

The real Piedpipercoin (MAID) has been around since 2014 and MaidSafe predates Bitcoin by several years (with crypto design and all). Even Sir Tim Berners-Lee was just talking about SAFE on twitter.

Hopefully SAFE Network will launch in 2018/19... it has been a long wait, but if anyone's going to do it it'll be them.

#avoidcheapknockoffs ;-p
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Response to the Bcash scaling strategy on: January 30, 2018, 02:08:44 AM

"In the end the way you scale any software is to push it to the limits, identify bottlenecks, optimize, then wash/rinse/repeat. Thatís the Bitcoin Cash scaling plan in a nutshell."

What happens when the problem is that you created a yottabite monster that can't be squashed back into Pandora's box? Layer two seems like a much smarter and more long-term strategy no?! By not raising blocks they've stimulated second layer activity/progress and optimised the future version of BTC's chain by making it smaller. I want the thing that will be 'better' in 5 years, not the thing that works better today.

Very few would use BTC as currency now IMO as the deflationary drag (HODL) is too high sub $100k. First take on gold and break 6 figures, then we can talk about currency. At that point LN will be robust and optimised, just send your month's wedge to your channel for a few bucks, as if from a savings to a current account. I wouldn't spend my BTC at this stage unless I had no other choice, very few people have no choice and BTC turns people into savers.... for now. Fees are also back to a pittence and BTC remains strong over $10k with millions of holders.

Why are people so impatient?

BTC = Verify, don't trust! We don't have to sacrifice that if we can be patient.

Can someone please explain to me how I'm wrong? I'd rather not be wrong. I sold my free BCH dividend long ago. I can't buy the idea of people 'spending' their BTC en masse until the price is going up <100% pa. I don't see that happening for another year or two so LN will be the most efficient and cheapest option for user txs, whilst BTC will be the smaller and more accessible chain for small businesses wanting to run a node.

Can anyone convince me I'm just missing the big picture? How does a marginal use-case like hyper-deflationary currency (in the face of lots of cheap crypto and stable fiat alternatives) topple the network effect of a censor resistant store of value leader? SoV can lead to currency eventually, capacity isn't enough to do it by itself... is it? Value comes from trust. Folks do not trust Fakesatoshi, Jihan and Roger and they don't trust a 'Yottabite landfill' blockchain with their long term savings/investment (apparently since it has <15% of the value). They trust the 1mb chain that exists now and they want the efficiency, price and speed of LN when the time comes to use it as money.

Surely the fact that dodgecoin is consistently doing as many or more txs than BCH says it all? If you value your BCH as currency then you'll spend it. That means 9/10 it'll get turned into fiat by the vendor. Currency = sell pressure at this stage. If you're not going to spend it and you just HODL then what's the point in your big empty blocks? Meh, I'm kinda glad BTC doesn't have that many spenders just yet. I'd rather wait until vendors need to have channels of their own stacked with coin and they feel comfortable holding more of their businesses wealth in BTC.

Anyway, people keep telling me I'm wrong but failing to convince me. I thought I'd throw it open to any generous soul willing to impart wisdom and correct me?

5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Top 5 Alt picks **for ROI** in 2018. on: January 03, 2018, 09:09:34 AM
"how about tron, xlm, xvg and anymore..need ur prediction"

No idea I'm afraid, I was hoping to pick other people brains and see their predictions rather than make guesses about their picks Wink

I guess it's a tired topic though, no one seems to be biting.
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Top 5 Alt picks **for ROI** in 2018. on: January 03, 2018, 03:24:35 AM
DISCLAIMER: This is not investment advice!

Obviously there's an element of shamelessly shilling your own HODLings with any post like this, but I'd be interested to see what order other people choose for their top picks and possibly add to my own.

I would just like to disclaim that I do hold BTC, ETH, IOTA etc too, but I don't see the top 10 as my path to crazy ROI this year compared to smaller projects. These are more like outside gambles with your speculation money. I still treasure my BTC above all else for now, but I'd be very happy with 4x there this year, so here are my side-bets to beat the honey-badger in 2018!

I have tried to keep my predictions reasonable, but I would not be surprised to see any of them beaten. Crypto has done nothing but surprise me over the last two and half years, but it's best to stay a little modest with expectations and be pleasantly surprised if they are beaten. To the rest of the world forecasts of 2000%+ gains in a year seem insane, here they are 'modest' lol  Shocked  We are a lucky bunch, let's not waste the opportunities.

1. **MAID** - The sleeping giant. They don't hype at all over at MaidSafe, so it has dropped from top 10 to outside the top 50 now. Very few seem to understand how big a deal it would be if it worked and they ever launched. I see this is an outside shot on the market sentiment, but it's the best ROI shot for short/mid and long term hodl'ing imo - well outside of the real penny stock cryptos that don't really have much to offer under the hood anyway. Having been in development for over a decade (older than BTC) and with a team of 20 odd core devs now I think we'll finally see this beast make a couple of big moves when they release their testsafecoin iterations and data chains get into the spotlight later this year. The implications for a functioning Safe Network and SafeCoin would turn the whole blockchain movement on its head ... it fixes privacy, scalability, distribution, PoW power useage, true decentralisation and autonomy, accessibility, fees, app infrastructure, confirm times... everything and more basically. It really could be a new internet IF it works. It will also likely boom as it gets closer to the moment where we find out how robust it is in the wild.

Prediction - to $10bn cap, 20x

2. **ZEPH** - At just a $10M cap this one could pop quite far. Bitspark making more moves in the world of remittance. As an established company this is all about actual utility rather than speculation for me. They swapped back from Ethereum to bitshares so they could scale now. 25% of fees are used to buy back tokens, creating buy-pressure and value for the coins. It works now and is being used now, building momentum since 2014. I'm not sure how long term I'd back it for, but for 2018 I have high hopes.

Prediction - to $200M cap, 20x

3. **Filecoin** - Long term I prefer MaidSafe's model and incentives, but for 2018 I'd say Filecoin hodlers can expect  returns to outpace BTC. Demand was not satisfied in the token sale. Only qualifying investors who went through an arduous proof of wealth process were allowed to participate as 'sophisticated investors'. They have a lot of money and big guns behind them. With the flood of interest that has arrived in the space since that token sale I would imagine a top 20, perhaps even top 10 position by year's end. Supply will still be nowhere near that 2bn cap (a few hundred million at most). Futures are trading at 4x the token sale price now, I'd say that's a great buy.

Prediction - another 5-10x

4. TEZOS - Well, despite the huge ICO and all the drama since, I still think this is a reasonable pick. The tech is groundbreaking and governance is a huge issue to solve. Staking for 20% pa with 3 month lock in's is a big incentive to keep supply low too. I see no reason why TEZOS can't break the $20bn mark this year (probably just around top 10 by year's end). With around 600M coins that would be over $30 a coin.

Prediction: 6x

5. BFT - Not yet launched the ICO is coming soon. They're selling $33M to the BanktotheFuture account holders and opening it to the public for the remainder (min&max $1k in the public sale I believe). Simon Dixon has secured strategic partnerships and has the regulation under his belt to create a compliant liquid secondary market for securities/equity tokens. To say this could be big is an understatement. The BTF token will be the only utility token traded in their secondary market, the rest will all be equities. The token is an incentive mechanism for decentralised management of due diligence and deciding what pitches make it on to the platform. They'll be able to take US investors too so this could be very disruptive to the ICO market. Equity has always missed the benefits of liquidity, this is a chance to see that turn around and an end to crazy currencies that are not necessary. If folks can raise on equity that has a liquid secondary market  then we could see a lot of that next year. BttF looks like it will be the only place to do it, so it could enjoy a really privileged position in 2018.

Prediction:  Since they've capped the ICO I'm betting on a 10-20x from there myself.

Happy New Year folks and good luck in 2018!

7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟 on: August 01, 2017, 06:38:09 PM
is NVO working on the same type of project as Safe Exchange?  What is the main difference between the two?

I remember the Maidsafe community supporting Safe Exchange to a point that critics were kicked out of the forum.  Why is the community acting differently towards NVO?

Nah, SAFE exchange decided to go blockchain well over a year ago, they have nothing to do with maidsafe or safe network, despite the name. I think the one he built (it's just one young dude I think) is called chilli blockchain or something, I'm not sure. Their project is also a marketplace more than currency exchange, or both at least. More like openbazaa. Safe Exchange also raised like $50k for their market, NVO raised $7m and has a full team of devs. I don't think the two projects are very similar. There was a lot more potential for success in NVO right from the start and the goals were very different.

I expect there will be several exchanges built on SAFE though, probably lots of SAFE based crypto's too... if it all works that is.

Glad we can put it behind us Nemgun.
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟 on: July 31, 2017, 09:58:28 PM
If you are building a house you would have an architectural plan, all in one place. If you are building a new settlement you have lots of different plans for lots of different aspects and areas of your settlement, it would not all be contained in one place. You wouldn't have plans and details about your water treatment system in the same place as your political or economic plans.

Anyway, whatever, you've said you'll wait the three months and you've said you will refund any requests (not what was implied on the safe forums), that's as much as I could ask so I have no more beef of any kind here. Well done for doing those things, I think they are the right thing to do.

I wish you luck, I don't think you're a bad guy and don't know if you are an amazing developer or not, but I hope so and I hope the project is a success because the world does need a decent dex.

peace out

9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟 on: July 31, 2017, 07:06:30 PM
"Jabba saying that people want to be refunded"

I did not say that, I said IF people want to be refunded you should honour any request. I also said quite clearly I was not one of the investors.

"we demanded an architecture which is normal but we have been unable to find it."

It would be 'normal' to raise the $7M AFTER looking closely into maidsafe and how safenet works, not before.

"This is why i asked the safe architecture, but they don't have it"

They do have it, but it is all in parts/sections. The documentation exists in massive repositories, each piece of the picture being bigger than many crypto projects are in their entirety.

There is a mountain of text, whitepapers, the wiki github, everything you need except a spoon fed single document of 10,000 pages that contains it all in one place.

"Meanwhile, as i haven't got the document"

All the documentation is public. You can go and find whatever you want, don't expect very busy maidsafe devs to walk you through anything, just go an find whatever it is that you need, you've been told where the data is.

"I do not need to listen to the podcasts or see videos, I need to see the code, I have done it, now I need to see the architecture"

You've done it? Have you looked on github? Have you seen how much code there is any how many sections/libraries. No human being could have taken a good look at their code in that time. It just sounds mad. Code for what. It's like saying 'I've had a good look at the code for the internet today, now someone tell me about the architecture'.  This is not some simple little DLT project which is contained all in one whitepaper.

"What is missing, what is needed, what needs to be deployed and what are the means I have to deploy for NVO"

You can take a look at the roadmap to see what's missing, but really it is not so much a question of what is left to be done, but what can or do you want to help with? There are things left to be done everywhere. It is a huge beast of a project. They are working hard on datachains part2 now, but that's way too complicated for anyone to just dive into, perhaps you'd like to work on some simpler stuff around safecoin now that mutable data has advanced far enough as an easy way in, or if you want to help make the APIs as developer friendly as possible that might be a good place to start. To be honest, if I was skilled enough to help I'd be looking at the areas I had skills in and seeing what I could contribute, not demanding the conductor of a huge orchestra stop playing and walk you round introducing you to each instrumental section, or to give you a document that not only describes the song being played, but the employment rights of the musicians, the building plans and the accounting stuff for ticket sales. All these things are speerate and have their own areas, the conductor is too busy to walk anyone through it all, even someone who would like to help if they can. It is not an easy thing to help with, they hire very selectively and try to waste as little time as they can catchng up their own full time staff. They don't have time to personally take on catching up potential helpers who they don't know.

"You should do some cleaning in the repo, keep it clean, you said you have migrated from safe launcher to a safe browser, but safe launcher is still there."

It is still there for a reason, some app devs were using it for their own builds of mock routing... or something like that anyway. It will be removed when it is no longer being used by anyone.

"Imagine that you builds a hotel, you're just going to tell him, that it is more beautiful compared to the ancient with more features. He won't care about that, he will ask you the plan to know where to begin."

Great example, and if you take a hotel in this example what you are asking for is a single document that contains the building plans as well as the business plans for the hotel, the accounts, the grocery orders for the kitchen and the employee records. All these things exist, but not in one place, what part of this hotel are you interested in? It is all made out of code and all built in the digital world, but it has even more parts that are even more distinct than in these examples.

"I hope you understand what I'm saying, it's simpler to make mine that's all."

I am being completely honest and not facetious when I say that if you can make your own safenet before maidsafe has launched then I will absolutely apologise to you in a very public way. I would love for you to achieve those goals - 'privacy, security, freedom, for everyone'. That is what I really care about (I suppose I'd like to get rich off it too, but that isn't how I found crypto and it's not why I'm here). If you can win us those goals then I will become an evangelist for every future endeavour from you. The only thing that might help me sleep at night is a solution to the dystopian future of centralised control that looms over our heads. If you can save my kids from that then I will be forever grateful.  The reason I defend David Irvine is because he has been working hard to try and achieve that goal for over a decade and he has always been completely honest and transparent, and he has never done it for the money or to try to get rich - unlike most other projects in crypto.

10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟 on: July 31, 2017, 02:04:50 PM
"It is also my right to give my personal opinion when I say that it is managed like an IT sect, because I can not imagine a developer listening to 300 hours of podcasts, at the rate of 8 hours a day, he would go crazy, That's why I said to delete them because they have no utility."

David has never made any podcasts, some of the community have and he has been interviewed a few times. Why will you not listen?

He gave you a link to a few in case you wanted to listen to one or two to get the big picture, so you then know where to dive in to learn about internet 2.0 from actual developer focused documentation. The podcasts are NOT for devs.

Devs should already have a big picture understand and be going through documentation and code. You asked the most basic question possible (how can I learn about this thing?), so you got the broadest answer, 'go dig, here's all the links from big picture to RFCs and code'.

David works like 19 hour days, how would he have time to walk you through huge mounds of documentation? You need to decide what it is that you want to learn about, then start there. You don't need any help or guidance, none of the other App devs or core devs were given a single doc either, yet they are all working away. 20'ish core devs and another dozen or more App developers all managed to get their head around SAFE after a few weeks/months of reading and asking questions. Why not ask any of them how they started learning about it and where the best docs are for the things you want to learn about rather than asking the head of the project who is way too busy for that?

11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟 on: July 31, 2017, 01:28:07 PM
Dude it is you who doesn't want to listen. You keep repeating yourself and ignoring the response.

What is about SAFE specifically that you want to learn about? Do you want to learn about Data Chains (more effort than learning about blockchain from scratch), or do you want to learn about Routing (that's a really big one and not for the faint of heart), or Data republish, or Node ageing, do you just want to take a look through the APIs? Perhaps you want to see more on how the economics and farming rewards will work? Or is SAFEcoin itself more interesting to you?

OORRRRR do you want to see some very broad big picture stuff so you can find out where you want to dive in? If you want the broad big picture stuff to get the 10,000 ft view then yes, I'd say the blog and some of the videos and podcasts are a great place to START. There are not 300 hours there and David has only appeared in handful of them, but there are plenty of good ones to get you started. Once you get a picture of how all the pieces fit together THEN you can dive into specific things with plenty of documentation to guide you - RFCs, mountains of code, plenty of text write ups and whitepapers, mathematical analysis and a dedicated developer forum to ask questions in etc.

You went to David with a question like "So, this new internet thing, how does it work, I want a single document explaining it all for me?" He is way too busy to guide anyone through the answer to that question. Of course there is no short answer to it. As he said, dive in and ask questions. It is hard work, many developers who are used to much simpler ideas and projects do shy away from it. Its value is not determined by the ease with which you can grasp it all from documentation in one place though. Its value will come from the utility of the product if it works - just like the current web it seeks to replace.

I don't know why you keep referring to the podcasts rather than all the text links. You already had your crowdsale, you should already have the 10,000ft view. I think the reason David gave those links as well is because you did not seem to understand what SAFE is or how it works. You said you had created safenet10.0 on your own in a few days. Of course that sounds crazy, so David linked you to information that would help a noob get the big picture of how it all works. You didn't even bother to investigate though, you just declared that you know best and the project can't work because it is too big to put in one document.

I do get emotional about maidsafe because it is a very important project. That browser you love so much was built by someone in the community with donations funded by us last year - before crypto exploded and money was more of an issue. I personally donated 1btc towards it back then. You are right that I feel passionately about this, but I think I do it for the right reasons.

No one wants or needs nvo money though - apart from your investors.

BIGbtc, a random forum member, kept asking for it, that's just his way. No one else is trying to solicit money from you. Please show me any evidence of anyone from maidsafe asking for money when not in response to being offered it?

All you have to do to stop me posting here is to stop posting inaccurate and misleading things about maidsafe.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟 on: July 31, 2017, 12:56:24 PM

That is funny if they want to build their own safenet. It seems 10+ years of development is not enough and they can do better  Grin

That's right - and they've said they're going to do it in 4 months. And they already managed to get it working by accident apparently.

They also didn't realise that the SafeNet is already running under testing & say the code is fundamentally flawed (but cannot comment on what this flaw is).

The bizare arrogance / ignorance / nastiness of the NVO team is strange to see play out.

It's a shame that they managed to get $7m from people, and I hope their Escrows offer refunds to anyone who can now clearly see the disgusting character of this team.

Thanks Jabba for making sure there is accountability for what the NVO team has been saying.

However, there's nothing wrong with being 26 - just a lot wrong with being arrogant, abrasive, ignorant, untruthful, threatening, and the likes Smiley

Young people are more creative and usually more idealistic and enthusiastic too. I'm all for young people Wink. I was all for nemgun when I first heard about the project and spoke to him in PM. But if you were in school uniform for two years after the birth of a project then it's probably wise to be a tiny bit humble and recognise that you have very little experience next to these other folks though. It was just the audacity of it that got me. Vitalik never showed this kind of disrespect to David and he was younger with more achievements behind him, they discussed the differences in their approaches and philosophies in a civilised way, and Vitalik showed and was shown respect. I apologise if I came off as age-ist, that was not my intent. I was just trying to hammer home why he should maybe be a little bit humble before he really knows what he is talking about - there is no way he can understand what SAFE is or how it really works yet, it takes weeks/months of dedicated work for that, even for a super-bright young coder with lots of blockchain experience (since SAFE is nothing like a blockchain).

Anyway, I get your point, I should not be so personal. I just feel a little betrayed since I stood up for nvo and quite liked numgun before yesterday's episode. Cheeky bugger speaking to David like that with no evidence, really made me angry and upset me... as you can probably tell.

Anyway, I'll leave it there. People can make up their own minds.
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟 on: July 31, 2017, 07:48:50 AM
Please don't issue threats. There is nothing you can do to me or David or Maidsafe. I'm a 40 year old father of two who's retired, not some silly kid who will be 'warned off' by a childish threat (FYI, grown-ups don't make threats, that strictly the preserve of children).

I am not a spokesperson for the community. I'm a member of it and I feel guilty for speaking up in support of your project, so now I feel that I have a responsibility to be equally vocal now that I see how wrong I was.

This whole mess is 100% your making. You were as rude as I have EVER heard someone be to David, purely insulting right from the start. At first I thought it was a language barrier, but now I see it is just that you are 26 and very immature... threats, I mean really?! You know where threats end up don't you? Either in court or in a spiral of malicious action. Threats won't get you anywhere.

"Thank you little jesus 2.0 for your conception of crappy coding, with your shitty safenetwork, to realize that I have sinned in a code, and haven't even found a virus, nothing, so it is rotten. I hope that the great david irvine could excuse my javascript. On this, in the name of c ++, java, and php, I ask you to clear this thread before I get angry."

This makes no sense at all. And you know SAFE is written in RUST right? Of course you do, you have made a qualified judgement about the code that you never read and only just discovered doesn't have an overarching single document for...

I strongly recommend you not issue any more threats to anyone here or on maidsafe forum. It does not make you look or sound good. If you have proof of anything bad in maidsafe then please show it publicly. No threats required. I am not interested in maidsafe if there is something bad about them, if they are a scam then I and everyone else deserve to know about it - although I'd say no 26 year old could know that after a few weeks of looking, it is too big a project for that. After 2 years of my own DD I am totally confident that maidsafe is 100% legit, If I'm wrong I'd love to know why, so don't threaten, just reveal.

Personal threats against me are truly bizarre and make me more than a little bit angry, as you can probably tell. Are you threatening physical violence against me? Should I contact the authorities to report it? There is no other obvious way to attack me since I'm retired? Hurt my rep? I don't have one. I'm just a lowly cryptophile investor and no one gives a crap about me, nor do I give a damn what anyone thinks.

As I said, I will only post to correct lies and misinformation, if you don't want me to post then please stop posting trash and rubbish; you caused this whole mess by being as rude as any person has ever been to anyone else. I find it amazing that you have found a way to try to project blame elsewhere, but the thread is there for anyone to read. From post 770 onwards.

I think we should let folks make up their own minds eh? Since it is all maidsafe's fault I'm sure you agree that investors should go read it all and make up their own minds. Then everyone will see just how rational and calm you are and how rude and unfair the community were to you  Roll Eyes


What because I stand up for people who I think are being wronged and I try to do the right thing? I did the same with you when I thought you were being wrongly attacked. I spoke up and defended you many times, now I feel that maidsafe have been wronged I will defend them, that's what all people do isn't it, stand up for what they think is right? If you can produce real evidence to show maidsafe is a 'scam' then I would really appreciate seeing it and I'd thank you for it and for saving me from my own mistake. I think you have a moral duty to share really, since maidsafe have a lot of people's money invested and those investors deserve to know if there's some reason that the code can't make good on the promises they've made. As I said though, the community is full of PhDs and IT professionals, what have you discovered that none of these other people who each have decades more experience than you did not?

14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟 on: July 30, 2017, 10:07:51 PM
Wow. Who dumped thousands of NVST? Now the price is only $0.37 at Counterparty Dex Sad...

It's overpriced at that imo. They have pivoted away from safenet and claim they can build their own safenet10.0 in the next few months instead.

I'd guess everyone who bought in because of maidsafe style security and 11 years of development work and patents will bow out asap now. It doesn't seem to have any credible associations left as far as I can see, so now it's just a couple of 20 something's with big ideas. :/

Outside of the crypto bubble an investment proposition like that might be worth two zero's less than it raised in its ico.

I'm a SAFE fanboy through and through, so perhaps I'm biased, but I'm glad I didn't invest in the end.

We never said that we "pivoted" from safenet, i just decided to stop giving my opinion on the safenetforum as i asked for a global architecture because either when you build a house, a plane, you always need a global architecture as this is how you can define the required skills for the project, the required development funds. Regarding the documentations, i don't agree with the usage of multiple whitepapers, even presidents write whitepapers, but they write only one because they have only one project.
I asked for this architecture in order to planify the implementation of NVO into maidsafe, and also how will NVO help maidsafe. In exchange i received messages asking to send funds directly to maidsafe, and message asking to dig, i said that NVO will finance a part of the development.
Instead, i have been directed to podcasts, which isn't how a development company works. Irvine asked me to check this link :
Everyone can consult it, i found around 300 hours of podcasts there, if a developer costs 40$/hour, i would pay him 12.000$ to listen the podcasts, without starting to work. He would turn crazy imagine listening for that during 8 hours a day.
Jabba, please don't troll me here, I'm really holding on to myself, i advise not to troll me or disrespect me.
I advised to check an IT consultant, he would have said that it is catastrophic, because of this incident, and the lack of global architecture of maidsafe, i have to review the architecture of NVO and reverify it, it is not a problem, it will take about 2 weeks but i will get a result.

Once again, no one officially said that NVO "pivoted" from safenet, we gave a word and will stick to it. I said that you still have 3 months, maybe this Kick in the anthill will awake you. I said since a long time that if in 4 months if safenet isn't ready, we will have to consider different technologies.

Now, you provide a poor post saying that you are one of the supporters of maidsafe, and you haven't invested in NVO, so please don't say that NVO collected funds because of maidsafe. We loosed a lot of investors because ou choice for maidsafe.

People who invested on NVO did it for the success of the project, we have to lead it to a fruition, what ever the difficulties we will have to face. We can't be hypocritical.
I remember of an old post of dirvine who said that NVO isn't listed on all the exchanges, comparing NVST to MAID, except that he forgot how he got listed, and how he got value on exchanges.

I know who helped irvine to list the coin, i won't talk in his name, but i can tell you that this person didn't knew about the results of the project in august 2017. I could ask you to check your promises on bnktothefuture and check your old roadmap, you shouldn't continue to talk like that, and start working instead of talking.

If i was a bad guy, i would have simply said that safenet isn't ready, and sleep while they work. But it is not what we want to do, we have been honest and straight.

I advise you to stop this discussion Jabba.

About the sweep issues.

Please use this repository :

We had a lot of good feedbacks about its usage.
If you have any issue, feel free to join us on slack for more support.

First off, I'm not trolling, I'm giving an honest personal opinion disclaimed by the information that I am a SAFEnet fanboy and therefore a little biased.

As you have already been told, SAFE is too big to have a single all encompassing document. There is no single document to describe all the web architecture either. As neo pointed out to you

"That is like asking for the unified (or single solidified) architecture for the internet protocols. You wonít get it and it doesnít exist, incomplete overviews do exist. That is because the internet is made up of a number of protocols, TCP/IP, UDP, HTTP, HTTPS, SMTP, NTP, UseNet, and so on.

Similar while SAFE is being built there is not going to be any unified document of the architecture."

Ok, now to this crazy youtube/podcast business you keep referring back to. David hasn't made any podcasts?! He has been interviewed a few times ofc, he linked you to all kinds of different data to get some background. Really, if you have already held the crowdsale one would have expected you to look properly at Maidsafe first no? The TEXT is all there for you to read. Whitepapers, repositories, code etc are all there for anyone brave enough to get stuck in. SAFE is not some simple little blockchain project that can be knocked out in a few months, it is new protocols and new layers of internet architecture.

If you take the time to look at the actual code and read the whitepapers and the blog or wiki you will find out just how big this beast really is and why you were laughed at for saying you'd knocked out a safenet 10.0 over the last two weeks.

As for getting an IT consultant to review it, jeepers, you do realise we have members of the community who have been in IT for over 40 years and worked on the original web protocols? It would be a hard job to find someone more qualified to review it all and it would take them many months, not a few days or even hours of dismissive confusion.

My post clearly said that those who did invest because of maidsafe (check my first post in this thread) would probably bail, which ofc they will, I did not say everyone only invested because of maidsafe - although I suspect many people will lose confidence seeing your break away from them.

Your comments about getting listed on exchanges etc don't make any sense. You do realise Maid was listed in 2014 as an omni asset and it went straight on polo after breaking crowdsale records at the time (modest by modern standards)? Maid went on exchanges because there was huge demand for it then, that's also why it was a top 10 asset on coinmarketcap for 2 years. I don't know what the reference to bnktothefuture are about, that was a recent raise and no one has ever made any 'promises'. You are talking trash and there is zero substance to it.

I don't think you're a bad guy, I think you are arrogant and naive. I also think you'll feel the consequences of your mistakes over the last 24 hours much sooner than you think.

I was not trolling you and I will not continue this discussion if you don't want me to, but you have to let me respond to your crazy and inaccurate statements. What kind of $100M+ project is based on podcasts?! Of course text and code is all that matters. Did you watch any of those "300"??!! hours? Was David on any of them? Please check your facts before you slander good people. There is no single document because it is a huge machine with many cogs, all of which are clearly documented. David never solicited you for money, that was a forum user, David just said if you want to give them money they'd take it.

Anyway, I didn't invest so there's no need for me to get any more involved. I just felt bad for having spoken up for the project when there was criticism early in that thread. I've learned my lesson and will just stay out of it unless I really know better next time. It is a shame, you are a good guy and we were becoming friends, but you've walked so far in the wrong direction now that I fear it will be too hard to turn back to the right course by the time you realise your mistake and what SAFE is about to become.

Anyway, I've said my piece, I'll only respond to correct inaccuracies etc if I can't help myself Wink

Good luck
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟 on: July 30, 2017, 04:47:15 PM
Wow. Who dumped thousands of NVST? Now the price is only $0.37 at Counterparty Dex Sad...

It's overpriced at that imo. They have pivoted away from safenet and claim they can build their own safenet10.0 in the next few months instead.

I'd guess everyone who bought in because of maidsafe style security and 11 years of development work and patents will bow out asap now. It doesn't seem to have any credible associations left as far as I can see, so now it's just a couple of 20 something's with big ideas. :/

Outside of the crypto bubble an investment proposition like that might be worth two zero's less than it raised in its ico.

I'm a SAFE fanboy through and through, so perhaps I'm biased, but I'm glad I didn't invest in the end.
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] Gamerbits Asian eSports Currency LTD SALE 7/26/17 on: July 24, 2017, 06:41:49 PM
Looks interesting and love to see more stuff focusing on the Asian market.

Great to see you taking SAFEnet currency based contributions too.

I'll bite  Cool
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: After first 24 hours of trading on BitFinex IOTA marketcap will settle at... on: June 13, 2017, 12:32:10 PM
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale] NVO Decentralized Exchange | Multi Wallet 🌟🌟🌟 Escrows 🌟🌟🌟 on: May 23, 2017, 09:34:15 PM

For example, the factor that did it for me with NVO is the implementation of SAFE network which is a game changer in and of itself, so for NVO to partner with SAFE it says a lot about the behind the scenes. Look for a similar "tale" that does it for you on any project of your interest.

Me too, and endorsed by alex from coinpayments as escrow... who presumably acted as some kind of bridge from 'Maidsafe Asia/Maidsafe Solutions'.

Nice to see projects like this becoming possible now that SAFE Network Mutable Data testnets are imminent. I hope and expect to see many more taking advantage of the unique functionality on SAFE.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale] NVO Decentralized Exchange | Multi Wallet 🌟🌟🌟 Escrows 🌟🌟🌟 on: May 20, 2017, 09:16:31 AM
the idea is brilliant and in the longrun i even think that there is much more demand for exchanges as crypto is growing

in the short term there will be the issue with volume, there are trading sites that just fight with low volume and i dont really have seen an "easy" way to get volume fast

I think liquidity will come from being the only exchange on SAFEnet when it launches, no?

If SAFE works then it seems like a given that it will be popular and get a lot of attention - censor-resistant internet with no servers, decentralised farming so free access to any user with spare resources, and the first crypto that's a ubiquitously useful utility that you have to burn/destroy to store or serve data on the network (everyone needs to store or serve data). It scales, has zero tx fees, no confirmations so instant txs, PoR so no wasteful mining, it's private by default, secure, and it has a fixed supply.

Let's face it, SAFE might not work, but IF it does then we can pretty sure it will be the most popular crypto currency fairly quickly - no barrier to entry as you don't have to 'buy' it, plus it has HUGE utility appeal/demand (Tor, bittorent and bitcoin have many millions of users, SAFE will be more robust and easier to use than any of them, with a whole lot more to offer besides).

I think SAFE projects like NVO and PDC have great potential. They will start off with no competition on the network. First mover advantage for a social network or exchange on a new, decentralised internet could be pretty huge.

All these crypto bets are risky, but the risk/reward ratios make a lot of decisions quite easy Wink

20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CrowdSale] NVO Decentralized Exchange | Multi Wallet on: May 16, 2017, 07:43:54 AM
haven't we met on the safe network forum ?

Yep, I haven't used BCT for a while. Thought I'd come back and show some support for this project.
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