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361  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Patrick Byrne interview seems to confirm he is no longer working w/ counterparty on: January 11, 2015, 07:45:51 AM

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thte Next NXT team has assembled an interesting Blockchain that is much quicker than bitcoin for confirming transactions but lacks bitcoin's security by several orders of magnitude.

That sounds like a bit of an overstatement I think if we're talking about cost to mount a successful attack. It's more likely one order of magnitude or two at the very worst.
362  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Patrick Byrne interview seems to confirm he is no longer working w/ counterparty on: January 10, 2015, 04:25:22 PM
Yeah...PB wants an honest financial system, and he does not like high speed/high frequency trading, among other things.
So a blockchain-based exchange that explicitly doesn't alllow HFT (because all of the order processing happens on the blockchain, with 1-10 minute blocktimes) is probably what we are going to see from Medici and Overstock.
My prediction is that whatever system we see from Medici, it will be slow asset/stock trading, not instant.

So why not NXT?
363  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Patrick Byrne interview seems to confirm he is no longer working w/ counterparty on: January 10, 2015, 11:15:24 AM

Yeah, definitely. People getting paid in crypto is pretty much a necessary condition to any sort of real economy starting.

Not surprised considering it's build on 10 min block Bitcoin. Pretty much unusable for anything like that.

And yeah, XCP is a great project and probably the best thing Bitcoin has going for it outside of the obvious network effects and such.

I don't see why Bitcoin's 10 minute blocks would be a problem, since Byrne wants Medici to be a replacement for centralized clearing and the fraudulent and harmful practices it encourages (like naked short selling). Centralized clearing only happens like once every 24 hours, so every 10 minutes is massively faster than that.

Oh, I thought he wanted it to be more like a decentralised stock exchange or something.
364  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Patrick Byrne interview seems to confirm he is no longer working w/ counterparty on: January 10, 2015, 09:42:04 AM
http://cointelegraph.com/news/113273/overstock-installs-btm-at-corporate-headquarters-offers-to-pay-employees-in-btc

The top half of this story is much good news: 2-way BTM in the lobby at Overstock HQ, employees can now be paid out in BTC (and this is so f**king important for crypto, I can't swear enough)

Bottom section of the piece seems to confirm that Medici will not be built on CounterParty, but that's not exactly a surprise. Given how Overstock operate, they were never going to fully outsource any important elements of the Medici system, it makes much more sense for them to build their own in-house system.
How this will affect CounterParty is an interesting question, given the general shittiness of the markets right now.
I reckon that XCP is still a good, solid project and this shouldn't be taken as a knock-back. 

Yeah, definitely. People getting paid in crypto is pretty much a necessary condition to any sort of real economy starting.

Not surprised considering it's build on 10 min block Bitcoin. Pretty much unusable for anything like that.

And yeah, XCP is a great project and probably the best thing Bitcoin has going for it outside of the obvious network effects and such.
365  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Patrick Byrne interview seems to confirm he is no longer working w/ counterparty on: January 09, 2015, 05:34:01 PM
Sounds more like he'll still be working with the devs but that the Medici system won't be built on top of Counterparty itself more likely.
366  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen. on: January 08, 2015, 08:08:42 PM

If BTC had a market cap of $8 Billion I think it would be more secure to require the attacker to purchase the 51% rather than use a bunch of zombie computers + special made chips.

This should be self evident but most Bitcoiners seem to miss this important point.

Even if PoS systems thus far haven't given us our Bitcoin-ready fully robust system sufficiently tested yet, everyone should be supporting research towards that goal. Anyone who doesn't see the obvious benefits of cutting out the mining waste, both financial and environmental, probably just invested all their money in ASICs or something. That or they're crazy.

Mining sucks.
367  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 08, 2015, 12:01:51 PM

I'm not part of the slack clique as I have never been invited


Shocked

Slack isn't supposed to be any sort of clique at all. It's open to everyone. Send me your email and I'll invite you right away.

In Slack in channel #pfennig we have people working on the new test chain that was launched recently with the intention of testing out new algos. I'm sure they would love to have your input.

Well.. It is good to hear something is happening but any coin that ignores the BCT community does so at it's own peril.  Most people get the bulk of their info from a BCT ANN thread.  I've been around crypto for a while and just about every coin that has ignored it's BCT following has perished. Is it so hard to keep us poor fools updated about what is happening behind closed doors?  One update a week would ease a lot of minds. Too much to ask? 

I could send you an email address and get the latest. I probably will.  Or would a regular update here be smarter?  It would certainly ease the minds and inform everyone (traders included). The coin is withering on the vine due to lack of information. Do you really want thousands of people joining your slack group just to keep up?  Or would it be easier to keep us up to date here rather than overloading your slack group.

The devs could learn a lot by the way CCN conducts business.  They have their own forums/groups but they keep their BCT followers updated.  Despite what I thought would be a fatal change to POS, the coin is thriving as everyone,everywhere knows what is going on.  Food for thought?

I do try to keep this thread updated. I believe I've posted about the various things that have been going on. But if someone feels that I've missed things, or don't give enough detail I'll try to improve on that part. I never intended to ignore people here at all.
368  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 08, 2015, 11:55:38 AM
Is "mark"/"marking" reserved for the reputation score only?  So that regardless of the amount of bitmarks given by any individual to another, it is the specific act of giving them (i.e., each transaction) that counts as one "mark"?

 

No, it's integration specific. So you can set it up whichever way you'd like for your own website or whatever. You can also use different algorithms if you plan on emphasizing the reputation part of it. I think we wanted to have a repository of algorithms and such so that people could just choose whatever one they thought would work well for them if they felt they needed one.

In some cases like perhaps a charity, the reputation aspect might not matter as much(or it might, it depends on the way they want to do it) so they might just integrate marking as a way that people can mark and transfer value to whatever cause they deem worthy.
369  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: January 08, 2015, 10:02:21 AM

bitUSD and bitBTC are centralized solutions. The exchange rate doesn't magically sit at one, they have a fund manager.

There may be some utility there, for the darknet, but when the feds shut down the fund manager it all goes to shit.

Look, cryptocurrency functions very similarly to how Liberty Reserve worked. Liberty Reserve servers stored fund allocations and transfers as cryptographic signatures, and then deleted the records. Feds shut it down because it was centralized and easy to shut down. The market adapted.

I thought NuBits was pegged to the USD via bots, is that the one you're thinking of? Doesn't bitUSD have an entirely separate market based mechanism for attempting to stabilize the value?
370  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 08, 2015, 09:59:31 AM

I'm not part of the slack clique as I have never been invited


Shocked

Slack isn't supposed to be any sort of clique at all. It's open to everyone. Send me your email and I'll invite you right away.

In Slack in channel #pfennig we have people working on the new test chain that was launched recently with the intention of testing out new algos. I'm sure they would love to have your input.
371  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: More BitShares greed. on: January 07, 2015, 01:07:37 PM

You didn't answer these questions:

1 - How is DPoS an "improved" version of PoS seeing that it is clearly a more centralized consensus mechanism?
2 - How does Bitshares rationalize that it is "decentralized" when it is susceptible to and previously undergone a Sybil attack, where actually, Bytemaster voted ONE person into FIVE delegate positions?

Someone having multiple delegate positions is not an attack.  It increases centralisation so is best avoided, but is not an attack.  Would you consider the moment gigahash.io briefly had over 51% of the hashpower on bitcoin an attack even though they didn't actually attack?  Having 5 delegates is no where near enough to even potentially attack the network so please refrain from making wild exaggerations.



Hmm, I don't know. I'm pretty unbiased here and somewhat interested in Bitshares in general, but reading what happened there looks like a pretty clear case of a Sybil attack. Having one guy secretly holding five delegate positions until he was outed by his former group sounds like it fits that definition to me. That's assuming the intention of DPoS is one delegate = one person(or more). Don't have to attack the network itself to succeed in gaining more delegates through a Sybil attack.

I think theoretically you could get a pretty reasonable amount of confidence in 101 DPoS delegates if each delegate was forced to provide significant proof about their real identity including live streaming. Tax documents, IDs and such too. I'm someone who supports the right to stay anonymous in general and I don't put a lot of stake in people providing their real name and such. But some really invasive protocol to prevent Sybil attacks seems like it could plausibly work.
372  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: January 06, 2015, 08:49:44 AM
Back when we were looking in to different reputation systems for Bitmark Adam Miller introduced us to Trustdavis which was pretty interesting: http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~defigued/index_files/trustdavis.pdf

Not sure if there's anywhere that's actually implemented such a system yet but it would be interesting to see. Maybe it's a bit more complicated than the more straightforward options though and I'm not sure how receptive people would be.
373  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why Paycoin (XPY) Failed on: January 05, 2015, 12:31:42 PM
I don't believe paycoin has failed, sudden dumps are always followed by pumps, it happens all the time. There are still issues with paybase but once you can pay paycoin to amazon via a paybase exchange rate, it will give the opportunity for people to cash out there virtual currency without fees or trying to sell on localbitcoins etc. In theory it is still a good idea.

So exactly what is in it for Amazon to take a worthless piece of shit scamcoin?

Nothing at all, that is not how it works, you pay paybase XPY, they convert it to $ at the current exchange rate and that is paid to amazon.

What's the point of that? Why would people go through all that hassle rather than directly paying Amazon with fiat?

Because you can dispose of alt-currency to real products, rather than from XPY to BTC to $ to Amazon.

But why buy paycoin to begin with?
374  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WHITEPAPER] Internet of Coins on: January 05, 2015, 11:26:00 AM
Very interesting project. Always great to see legit innovation happening. Smiley
375  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 04, 2015, 08:03:03 PM
Let's not do this.  Over the course of the project I have performed well, and at other times not so well.  People are free to make any observation they may, and Melvin has helped the project also.

All anybody really cares about here is making some measurable progress and people marking, then indirectly success of the currency or idea based on this.  Let us focus on that Smiley

Today is the day most people prepare to get back to work, and tomorrow is the day they dive in to another year of work.  It is no different here.

I agree, I'm excited to get back on track. Everyone got a nice break over the holidays and now we can pick up where we left off.
376  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 04, 2015, 07:59:49 PM
Is Mark Pfennig still involved with Bitmark?
Didn't see an update from him for quite some time.

Yes, he's been sick recently. Hopefully he's feeling better soon. Not sure if he's over it yet or not.

Sorry to hear that.

Do you know what he sick with?



So you dont think he made claims with poor knowledge that may damage the confidence in the project? If I were an outsider, my confidence could've been shattered.
Just leave Melvin, why are you trying to damage the confidence in Bitmark making such claims? if you dont care about it just gtho and stop FUDing.. Im sick of your EMO behavior..

Woah, lets not go down that road please. Melvin wants the project to succeed as much as anyone and he's more than entitled to voice his concerns. His intentions are good and he's already contributed a massive amount to the project so to use that word that's a favourite of every alt out there with something to hide(FUD) is unwarranted in my opinion.

Confidence should be earned anyway. People should be able to speak their mind and raise concerns in a constructive manner.


Why imply that Mark may have moved on to other things if he doesn't even know thing about where Mark is? Thats FUD my friend. There's many people who only view this post as their source of information about Bitmark, and speaking of development being down 90% from its peak plus that Mark may have left causes Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in the very least.

I don't think he implied that, he just stated that some people were wondering that.

So you dont think he made claims with poor knowledge that may damage the confidence in the project? If I were an outsider, my confidence could've been shattered by his comments. Primarily because he's been deep in the project and made lots of contributions.

His comments had nothing to do with Mark being semi-away over the xmas holidays though. Doesn't really matter if he was sick the last little while or not as it's not like he was expected to be working over xmas or anything. Especially considering he has a family to take of and such.

As for damaging confidence, I don't know, maybe. But I see too many projects that try to sweep away anything that's not 100% positive and in the long run it shouldn't really matter as the project should speak for itself and stand on its own merits. Melvin is a very valuable member of the project and generally would have never considered working on any sort of alt project that wasn't Bitcoin as he's been involved with Bitcoin for almost 5 years now. He has high expectations for the project because he sees the potential and realizes that we're not the only ones out there moving towards marking-like technology.
377  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: January 04, 2015, 07:34:31 PM
That's not true at all. There are 322 people in the SuperNET slack including dozens of programmers. There's 64 people testing the api right now in slack as well. In fact you're more than welcome to help come test, or run a node. There are well over $1000 in bug bounty rewards split up every week to anyone who finds bugs. It's also being independently reviewed by Kristov Atlas. I'd love to see even more people going over the code as I really want to see some more legitimate criticism. Anyone interested should inquire though as you'll likely be compensated somewhat at least.

I'm anything but an altcoin fanatic, I don't even own any alts other than some BTM that was donated to be by members of the community for work I've done. Seems there are still some arrogant assholes here who like to assume things instead of actually fact checking their bullshit first before posting.

It has not been independently reviewed by Kristov as far as I can tell. He "started on the review of the design" on November 13, and that was the last I could find on it.

Also, if anyone wants to continue to discuss Bitcoindark their thread is that-a-way:)

Like I said before I don't want to start an off-topic conversation especially about a coin I have no involvement in and don't follow closely at all.

I don't know what's taking him so long. They should get other people not involved to review as well though definitely. I've been saying that from the beginning.
378  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 04, 2015, 06:56:27 PM
Is Mark Pfennig still involved with Bitmark?
Didn't see an update from him for quite some time.

Yes, he's been sick recently. Hopefully he's feeling better soon. Not sure if he's over it yet or not.

Sorry to hear that.

Do you know what he sick with?




Just leave Melvin, why are you trying to damage the confidence in Bitmark making such claims? if you dont care about it just gtho and stop FUDing.. Im sick of your EMO behavior..

Woah, lets not go down that road please. Melvin wants the project to succeed as much as anyone and he's more than entitled to voice his concerns. His intentions are good and he's already contributed a massive amount to the project so to use that word that's a favourite of every alt out there with something to hide(FUD) is unwarranted in my opinion.

Confidence should be earned anyway. People should be able to speak their mind and raise concerns in a constructive manner.


Why imply that Mark may have moved on to other things if he doesn't even know thing about where Mark is? Thats FUD my friend. There's many people who only view this post as their source of information about Bitmark, and speaking of development being down 90% from its peak plus that Mark may have left causes Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in the very least.

I don't think he implied that, he just stated that some people were wondering that.
379  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmark on: January 04, 2015, 06:13:30 PM
Is Mark Pfennig still involved with Bitmark?
Didn't see an update from him for quite some time.

Yes, he's been sick recently. Hopefully he's feeling better soon. Not sure if he's over it yet or not.

Sorry to hear that.

Do you know what he sick with?




Just leave Melvin, why are you trying to damage the confidence in Bitmark making such claims? if you dont care about it just gtho and stop FUDing.. Im sick of your EMO behavior..

Woah, lets not go down that road please. Melvin wants the project to succeed as much as anyone and he's more than entitled to voice his concerns. His intentions are good and he's already contributed a massive amount to the project so to use that word that's a favourite of every alt out there with something to hide(FUD) is unwarranted in my opinion.

Confidence should be earned anyway. People should be able to speak their mind and raise concerns in a constructive manner.
380  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: January 04, 2015, 05:52:12 PM
How does BitcoinDark compare to CryptoNote?

I made a post about how the two technologies work together here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=898563.msg10001278#msg10001278.

Interesting.  So BTCD is actually a good project.  Are there any worthwhile anon coins besides CN and BTCD?

There is no anonymity code in BTCD afaik, at least there wasn't last time i checked. that answers your question i hope.


https://github.com/jl777/btcd/tree/master/libjl777

Code is there. It's still being tested though so it's not enabled in the live version.

whats up with this shite, last time i tried to understand supernet this 777 guy trew the github in my face like it was something obvious, and now you do the same with other guy lol

anyway, this is where my interest in monero comes in, its not a promise to far away times, its already live and works.

He said as far as he knew there was no anonymity code in BTCD. Obviously that's not the case and I didn't "throw it in his face like it was something obvious". I just linked to the part of the github where there was actual code related to that part of the tech, there also happens to be a ton of other things there unrelated to anonymity and jl777 isn't known for spending much time commenting his code well so I'm not surprised at people's eyes glazing over. There's other people reviewing it anyway. I don't have anything to do with BTCD directly and I don't really follow it in particular, but I've done enough research to know that it's not "a promise to far away times". That's all, I don't want to get in to an off-topic discussion about it.

people's eyes are glazing over because there is nothing worthwhile in the code, nobody is reviewing it, they are just assuming other people are. Altcoin fanatics are too gullible

That's not true at all. There are 322 people in the SuperNET slack including dozens of programmers. There's 64 people testing the api right now in slack as well. In fact you're more than welcome to help come test, or run a node. There are well over $1000 in bug bounty rewards split up every week to anyone who finds bugs. It's also being independently reviewed by Kristov Atlas. I'd love to see even more people going over the code as I really want to see some more legitimate criticism. Anyone interested should inquire though as you'll likely be compensated somewhat at least.

I'm anything but an altcoin fanatic, I don't even own any alts other than some BTM that was donated to be by members of the community for work I've done. Seems there are still some arrogant assholes here who like to assume things instead of actually fact checking their bullshit first before posting.

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