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5461  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Segwit support going up = hemorrage stopped on: March 26, 2017, 12:56:31 AM
Segwit seems to have edged past Unlimited now (last 144 blocks mined).
https://coin.dance/blocks
Segwit supported by 37.5% of blocks, Unlimited supported by 36.8% of blocks.
Overall, a pretty much split society.  Undecided

meanwhile it still means that ~25% are still abstaining either way.

trying to make jihan of 16% be the reason of 62% veto/abstaining against cores segwit. makes me laugh
5462  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fuck: SegWit, LN, Blockstream, Core, Adam Back, and GMazwell on: March 26, 2017, 12:35:30 AM
Greg has openly called for full blocks and a fee market (which we have right now).

If blocks are empty, then when the reward drops to zero how will miners get paid?


get your grandchildren to ask again in 100+ years, and tell them to relax.. even then in a century they will still have a couple decades to prepare for the answer
5463  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Segwit support going up = hemorrage stopped on: March 26, 2017, 12:11:02 AM
core cry that splitting the network is bad.. sooo
core propose to split the network

laughing soo much

meanwhile many different dynamic implementations continue plodding along without making threats and just letting real consensus find its way.



core cry that setting deadlines are bad.. sooo
core propose a deadline

laughing soo much

meanwhile many different dynamic implementations continue plodding along without making threats and just letting real consensus find its way.


core cry when the price moves up and down and try making it sound important
meanwhile exchange move from $935 $933 by a user with just $302(324mbtc)
meanwhile exchange move from $933 $935 by a user with just $50(54mbtc)

(note trades measured in mBTC (0.001btc)

less than $302(324mbtc) to drop the price from $935 to $933
yep $302 to make the market cap change by $32,470,200.00

then ~$50(54mbtc) to ramp the price from $933 to $935
yep $50 to make the market cap change by 32,470,200.00

price movements are not a sign of any "community consensus" due low funds being used and also the high increments per orderline causing the volatility($1 gap per increment)... making it easy to make the market volatile without needing large community/whales
5464  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Segwit support going up = hemorrage stopped on: March 25, 2017, 11:28:38 PM
core crew gave THEIR votes to pools.

now trying hard to blame others.

so funny.

meanwhile many different implementations continue plodding along without making threats and just letting real consensus find its way.

while core are shooting themselves in the foot and pointing towards the anyone they can see to blame for it. and all finding the excuses they can to launch the nuke which they pretend others will fire first.

 
5465  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] Possible scaling compromise: BIP 141 + BIP 102 (Segwit + 2MB) on: March 25, 2017, 11:14:11 PM
AntPool = BTC-U supporter of bigger blocks HAHAHAHAHA fuck them those china miners cartel
they need BIGGER BLOCKS ? Why ? They can't even mine constant 1MB....
AntPool = BTC-U supporter of bigger blocks miner control of the network
There, fixed it for you

CK... you should know better
shame on you trying to make scare stories fud and propaganda..

even you know if NODE consensus does not exist, then whatever gets made which does not follow node consensus gets rejected in 3 seconds.
need proof:
Code:
2017-01-29 06:59:12 Requesting block 000000000000000000cf208f521de0424677f7a87f2f278a1042f38d159565f5
2017-01-29 06:59:15 ERROR: AcceptBlock: bad-blk-length, size limits failed (code 16)

try sticking with facts next time
5466  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fuck: SegWit, LN, Blockstream, Core, Adam Back, and GMazwell on: March 25, 2017, 10:25:32 PM
THE MAJORITY is with you 21 million %.


cant even get your numbers right
there are only 16m coins in circulation

and if everyone was kissing his ass it would have been running by christmas
5467  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Dear Bitcoin Miners on: March 25, 2017, 09:55:10 PM
blah blah blah OP just reads reddit doomsdays rhetoric..

..
now to correct him with reality.

pools do not control bitcoin..
pools just collate data.

if they do not collate it in a way that NODES accept.. its rejected in 3 seconds..
need proof?
Code:
2017-01-29 06:59:12 Requesting block 000000000000000000cf208f521de0424677f7a87f2f278a1042f38d159565f5
2017-01-29 06:59:15 ERROR: AcceptBlock: bad-blk-length, size limits failed (code 16)

there... gone in 3 seconds.
need more proof?
https://blockchain.info/orphaned-blocks

as for thinking node consensus is not needed.

its core who have bypassed a node vote. remember its just a vote. nothing more.
pools didnt create the vote, pools did not create the code. pools did not beg to bypass node votes.
core and only core done that.

pools are 71% abstaining/vetoing. because nodes are not ready.
infact pools could vote. but pools even with 100% VOTE still would not actually MAKE new blocks unless they knew NODES would accept it. so pools are holding off and waiting unofficially for node consent.

if core want to resolve things.. there are 2 options

1. PROVE how backward compatible things are by getting their partner BTCC to make a segwit block with a segwit confirmed tx in it.. worse case rejected in 3 seconds.. best case nothing bad. and it instills confidence.
2. make it dynamic segwit. that way when people realise segwit activation day solved nothing(due to needing users needing to do other things beyond segwit activation).. atleast people are then able to move on with dynamics rather than waiting another 2 years for core to make more excuses
5468  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fuck: SegWit, LN, Blockstream, Core, Adam Back, and GMazwell on: March 25, 2017, 09:41:29 PM
Would you please obsessing over me?  It's creepy.

I am not your mommy.

You do not get to determine how I spend my time, you do not get to restrict what I say or believe.  I don't force anyone to do anything. You will you make me cow down and obey you through threatening me by lying to the public to try to raise a mob of idiots against me, and even if you do manage to kill me you will not stop bitcoin, you will not convert it to the centralized coin you seem to so desperately want.

So give it a break.

you are the centralist!!

how about just add a few lines of code to be dynamic with segwit.
get your own desires of being god/mommy removed.. and bring yourself down to being on a level of PEER. not the TIER network you want

P.s dont reply commenting about your own mommy complex..
only reply about:

GMAXWLL: if core want to resolve things.. there are 2 options

1. PROVE how backward compatible things are by getting their partner BTCC to make a segwit block with a segwit confirmed tx in it.. worse case rejected in 3 seconds.. best case nothing bad. and it instills confidence.
2. make it dynamic segwit. that way when people realise segwit activation day solved nothing(due to needing users needing to do other things beyond segwit activation).. atleast people are then able to move on with dynamics rather than waiting another 2 years for core to make more excuses
5469  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: discusses Bitcoin Scaling on: March 25, 2017, 08:57:05 PM
he has a point about forget the price and instead concentrate on the infrastructure..
as the concentration on the infrastructure will take care of the price as a side positive effect anyway..

but his understanding of the debate seems to be more of reading the reddit doomsday scripts, rather than the reality.

its core that have all the splitting the network crap. (bip9 that can activate below 95%) (UASF) (PoW algo changes).
core are the ones with wanting the TIER network not the decentralised diverse PEER network

if core is having issues getting consensus they need to NOT press their red button doomsday bombs but instead THEY need to compromise with the community.

the community was going with 8mb base block then lower then lower. and now even dynamic where (heres the truth) the nodes set the limits and pools follow what nodes prefer as a majority.(nodes have 2 limits. pools follow and adjust the lower limit not upper limit)

core can level themselves and unite their side with a few lines of code. rather then get everyone else to rewrite everything for cores half promises

..
as for the arguments of 'giving pools the power'
again only core have done this when they went soft.

...
the consensus was segwit would be accepted if a baseblock increase was part of the deal. core renigged that deal by pretending what they signed meant about just as much as asking their evening carpet cleaner to turn up. pretending they had no power.

core need to take a step back and do something the community want.

dynamics and segwit seems the only compromise which was the original late 2015 debate. so they need to reagree to do it. not hold the network hostage with their doomsday red buttons. while pointing the finger else where blaming everyone else.

they know they cant blame bU. because be has not big red button. they shouldnt blame pools because no matter what pools make, without consensus it will get dropped in 3 seconds.

core need to realise going soft and avoiding the community was CORES mistake, stop acting like gods, admit they are human and realise that the community is more important then devs god complex


Mr Madbitcoins and vinny think its a "roger vs" debate.. its not..
when will those blockstreamists wake up that there are many more people against cores dominance then just roger.
seems they are repeating that rhetoric to feel like core should win. by pretending there is no community divide by pretending its just a 1 man vs

they are both trying to say anyone against segwit is impatient..
yet its core making dadlines and threatening the doomsday buttons while trying to play the victim card.

the solution is simple.
core add just a few lines of code and give users more control and devs less control.

all the dynamic and base block increases are patient and not set deadlines..


im about half way through the video while writing all this.. and all i can see is 2 guys deep in the blockstreamist camp that have no clue about what segwit really does and actually works beyond cores 30 second elevator pitch.

all they care about is getting core activated without actually understanding it.
they pretend core are going slow.. yet core have all the deadlines and red doomsday nuke buttons. they only thing they are slow on is what was actually asked at the consensus meetings.


5470  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: this is just sad on: March 25, 2017, 05:37:49 PM
market cap is a meaningless number

i can create an alt tomorrow with 5trill coins.. get just 1 coin on an exchange and sell it to myself for $1.. and instantly my alt is market capped at $5trillion...

there are NOT $25billion fiat sitting around in bank accounts ear-marked to back the entire cryptocoin market.

anyone can make the market cap spiral up to trillions just by using small numbers.

this is true, but the bitcoin real marketcap, based on how many coins where actually traded, and not on simple math, is still high enough, there is a way to calculate this number maybe?
Bitcoin will raise its value only with the growth of its popularity. If users help raise demand for crypto currency, then bitcoin prices will go up. The main thing is not to panic when racing on stock exchanges prices. It always happens, that's just all react differently to this.

saves me rewriting...

The whales are now dumping their coins and it has caused a major fall in the bitcoins price.

Whales??
lol

remember the prices and bitcoins are measured in mBtc (1 thousandth's)


it took only ~99btc (99,392mbtc) to move the price from $931 to $926

for all you fake market cap lovers out there..
under $100k to turn
$15,114,878,100 market cap
down to
$15,033,702,600 market cap

thats a drop of $81,175,500 using under $100k



edit few minutes later


less than $302(324mbtc) to drop the price from $935 to $933
yep $302 to make the markt cap change by $32,470,200.00


then ~$50(54mbtc) to ramp the price from $933 to $935
yep $50 to make the market cap change by 32,470,200.00


... one of the reason on why others tends to panic sell.
Users panic because .. blah blah.. Therefore, only calmness is needed.

its not about panic.. its market manipulation by the markets own programming and order limits.

if the only orders you can make are in $1 increments.. then thats $16m-ish market cap change every time an order line is filled. even if that order line only contains 1mbtc (0.0001)

the fix is to allow more increments
EG not 0.934-0.935
but
0.93401-0.93402-0.93403-0.93404-0.93405
that way the price doesnt move by the whole dollar (volatile with no pressure needed/much coin needed).. but instead in cent amounts more smoothly
5471  Economy / Speculation / Re: Its time to grab bitcoins from the whales! on: March 25, 2017, 05:24:54 PM
... one of the reason on why others tends to panic sell.
Users panic because .. blah blah.. Therefore, only calmness is needed.

its not about panic.. its market manipulation by the markets own programming and order limits.

if the only orders you can make are in $1 increments.. then thats $16m-is market cap change every time an order line is filled. even if that order line only contains 1mbtc (0.0001)

the fix is to allow more increments
EG not 0.934-0.935
but
0.93401-0.93402-0.93403-0.93404-0.93405
that way the price doesnt move by the whole dollar (volatile with no pressure needed/much coin needed).. but instead in cent amounts more smoothly
5472  Economy / Speculation / Re: Its time to grab bitcoins from the whales! on: March 25, 2017, 05:00:34 PM
The whales are now dumping their coins and it has caused a major fall in the bitcoins price.

Whales??
lol

remember the prices and bitcoins are measured in mBtc (1 thousandth's)


it took only ~99btc (99,392mbtc) to move the price from $931 to $926

for all you fake market cap lovers out there..
under $100k to turn
$15,114,878,100 market cap
down to
$15,033,702,600 market cap

thats a drop of $81,175,500 using under $100k



edit few minutes later


less than $302 to drop the price from $935 to $933
yep $302 to make the markt cap change by $32,470,200.00


then ~$50 to ramp the price from $933 to $935
yep $50 to make the market cap change by 32,470,200.00



edit hour later


0.013btc ($12.13) to move the price from $950 to $948

thats $32m off the meaningless market cap..  yep $12.13 caused that
5473  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: this is just sad on: March 25, 2017, 04:20:27 PM
market cap is a meaningless number

i can create an alt tomorrow with 5trill coins.. get just 1 coin on an exchange and sell it to myself for $1.. and instantly my alt is market capped at $5trillion...

there are NOT $25billion fiat sitting around in bank accounts ear-marked to back the entire cryptocoin market.

anyone can make the market cap spiral up to trillions just by using small numbers.

Yes....That's an accurate observation.  In cases such as the one you described, the volume of trade needs to be factored into the speculation when considering marketcap. However, wise traders pay attention to volume.  If you look more closely, you will find that some of the alts have huge volumes, and according to the charts, those which do have large volumes of trade are on the top, right?

until you take away the bot trading by 2 people every few seconds
10btc traded by 2 bots can equal thousands of "volume" a day just playing tennis with 10btc back and forth

yep 100k volume does not mean 10,000 separate coins were bought or sold.
it means maybe
10btc played tennis back and forth 1000 times

meaning even volume doesnt represent real transaction desires, or even show how much actual different coins changed hands
5474  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: schnorr on: March 25, 2017, 03:28:52 PM
Quote
Plausible deniability for multisig: using Schnorr threshold signatures it may be easier to prevent multiple signers or third-parties from knowing who else signed or didn't sign. That's because the individual signatures are merged into a unified signature that doesn't directly reveal who signed it. This can be used in situations where the signers are afraid of reprisals for spending funds in a particular way.

or used by managers to create 1 of 2 multisigs, and pretend its just a single signer..


but shhhhh dont tell people it before gmaxwell has control of the network to abuse it..
5475  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BUgcoin strikes back on: March 25, 2017, 03:08:39 PM
LN may be permissionless theoretically, but in practical terms, it may not be...because it may not be economically
feasible to open your open channel, and you'll have to rely on someone else's.  

LN is not prmissionless.
its a 2 party signature

EG
imagine it like a co-sign bank account.. you cant buy a hooker without your wife signing the cheque..

you cannot just send funds(permissionless). you need to find a second party to agree.
5476  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: this is just sad on: March 25, 2017, 03:01:27 PM
market cap is a meaningless number

i can create an alt tomorrow with 5trill coins.. get just 1 coin on an exchange and sell it to myself for $1.. and instantly my alt is market capped at $5trillion...

there are NOT $25billion fiat sitting around in bank accounts ear-marked to back the entire cryptocoin market.

anyone can make the market cap spiral up to trillions just by using small numbers.
5477  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: schnorr on: March 25, 2017, 02:40:03 PM
if what you're saying is true and not exaggerated/spin, then they (core) has truly gone mad.

well segwit only fixes things if everyone is disarmed from doing quadratics/malle which is only really achieved by moving to segwit keys. (the activation is more about getting the topography of the tier network inplace when people set up thier node
...
mimble works by having a mimble manager with the key to a multisig to use funds without the owner having to be actively online.
...
the spin is only.. if these get activated and if they are used by the managers for negative purposes..
there is no spin about the functions abilities. just who and how it could be used by the wrong people incharge

sorry if im never the utopian dreamer and ass kisser. but i look for flaws to wake people up to risks.

P.S core went mad ages ago. for many many reasons
5478  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: schnorr on: March 25, 2017, 02:00:31 PM
they are prepping to get core(blockstream) nodes as the upper filter tier. ("dont worry folks no need to upgrade and be FULL NODE PEERS, proteching annd diversifying and decentralising the network.. we can filter a stripped data block down to you, no need to validate it")

by changing the keypairs (segwit+schnorr) and dicking around. next stage is to get people to move their UTXO over to segwit/schnorr.("to get the fixes as promised everyone needs to move to segwit keypairs")

next stage is scream blue murder about d-wave threat to really push people to move funds so that they can kill off old blocks and prune it (part of the destroy satoshis / oldtimers stash) if they dont move it in X months.


oh and more intensely funny and worrying.. when they get their p2WSH, they want to slide in a 1 of 2 multisig. where by some 'mimblewimble' manager has the second key, so mimble can just pluck peoples funds out of random people/blocks created after its all setup. to spend (but salespitch twisted) in a cough trusted cough mixer and then hand the funds back in the next block, thus allowing them to keep blocks stored down.

some fools see the "wow less blocks to store, amazing huh".. but others see the "dang they wanna have control of our coins, hell no"
especially when mimble becomes more about the UTXO like an account balance.. rather than the blockchain concept of the last 8 years.

then we can just call it bank2.0
5479  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 86% segwit support from users on: March 25, 2017, 04:55:57 AM
there are more implementations than just BU, so why fear BU?
I'm not against more implementations of Bitcoin. I'm just against people shoving their favorite, consensus breaking implementation flavor of the month down my throat.

the only one bypassing consensus is core. they intentionally and publicly said they prefer giving only the pools the vote.. bypassing the nodes
5480  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 86% segwit support from users on: March 25, 2017, 04:54:23 AM
Because core(blockstream) has been the selected software-trojan horse by deep pocketed agencies and states to bribe the chinese mafia into mining it.

FTFY

blockstream CEO CTO..
BTCC, bitfury ..
lol follow the money.. DCG


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