P.S. With apologies to "dhenson" -- trust me, if ASICMINER makes a roaring comeback, I'll be more upset about this than you Hah, no worries, I just hope this ends up being sufficient. edit... However, based on the dividend history ( https://blockchain.info/address/1PYMwZt98TfTj8hWYKaEHUmubALqPC1Kgq) and the 11/24 dividend amount of 0.0000543/share, you had 650 shares, not 450. Keen observation! So, friedcat was still responsive for a few months after 11/24, and in that time he transferred 200 of my shares to Havelock (which, incredibly, could be sold instead of abandoned). Anyway, the dividend history is slightly out of date. *sigh* Most of my investments in this space actually worked out really well... this one did not... a lesson learned!
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Dear Brandon Lu / XY Jiang (aka "friedcat"), As of Dec. 29th, 2015 (today), your records should show that I have 450 shares of ASICMINER associated with the shareholder address: 1PYMwZt98TfTj8hWYKaEHUmubALqPC1Kgq I am writing to let you know that I am permanently surrendering and relinquishing all rights to these 450 shares and, furthermore, that I have not received any payment or other consideration for them (i.e., they have not been sold or traded to anyone else). You may update your records accordingly. chriswilmer P.S. With apologies to "dhenson" -- trust me, if ASICMINER makes a roaring comeback, I'll be more upset about this than you For this message to carry any meaning whatsoever, it would need to be signed by the address mentioned above. I don't think the IRS places that kind of burden-of-proof in its audits (obviously, since digital signatures have not spread to the mainstream yet... even most lawyers (!) I've spoken to don't know what they are). If the IRS required a digital signature during an audit, I could do that then. As far as friedcat/ASICMINER, he hasn't required digital signatures for share transfers in the past (even if maybe he should have).
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Dear Brandon Lu / XY Jiang (aka "friedcat"), As of Dec. 29th, 2015 (today), your records should show that I have 450 shares of ASICMINER associated with the shareholder address: 1PYMwZt98TfTj8hWYKaEHUmubALqPC1Kgq I am writing to let you know that I am permanently surrendering and relinquishing all rights to these 450 shares and, furthermore, that I have not received any payment or other consideration for them (i.e., they have not been sold or traded to anyone else). You may update your records accordingly. chriswilmer P.S. With apologies to "dhenson" -- trust me, if ASICMINER makes a roaring comeback, I'll be more upset about this than you
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Serious question for US AM hodlers out there... how do you go about "abandoning" this investment for tax purposes? I'd happily sell my shares to someone for a penny, if I could... but I presume that would need a response from friedcat.
"Abandonment" of an investment is a real thing from the IRS's perspective, I've just never done it before. If you have experience, let me know!
Sign a message with the private key of the account you hold the shares under selling them to me for $1. PM me your email address and I'll paypal you the payment (or obviously I could pay in btc). In the event FC comes back, your signed message would be sufficient for him to transfer me the shares so the sale should be binding. AFIAK Sounds reasonable. Let me double check with my lawyer. Incidentally, I've been reading more about abandonment. I *think* this can be accomplished by sending friedcat an email saying something to the effect of "I relinquish all rights to my shares." Dated + signed with private key preferably.
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Serious question for US AM hodlers out there... how do you go about "abandoning" this investment for tax purposes? I'd happily sell my shares to someone for a penny, if I could... but I presume that would need a response from friedcat.
"Abandonment" of an investment is a real thing from the IRS's perspective, I've just never done it before. If you have experience, let me know!
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Guys i have a feeling that the next bubble will be fucking nuclear...don't know when it will come, doubt it will be now, but when the world is ready, holy fucking shit exactly. 2 years of constantly building more and bigger fiat channels towards bitcoin will - in case of another run-up - have a huge impact. next one will reach 5 - 10k My bet (why not be bullish, right?): We slowly grow over the remainder of 2015 and early 2016 back to the $500 - $750 range. Between the spring and fall of 2016, we have a quadfecta of news that is positive for price: a 1MB+ block is included in the Blockchain, the halving is successful, the Winklevoss ETF launches, and there is a major currency crisis somewhere. This precipitates the largest growth spurt in the history of Bitcoin. The growth spurt takes place in three bubble-phases over late 2016 and 2017 (and causes many people to bail prematurely), reaching a height of $40,000 before 2018 (and then crashing back below $10,000). By the way, when you say bet, what kinds of odds are you putting on your scenario? I'll answer that in a roundabout way: if Bitcoin doesn't die in the next ten years, then I'm 98% certain we will have another hyperbolic run-up within that same time frame. I think the probability of Bitcoin dying in the next ten years is ~25% (yes, I'm an uberbull). So I guess I think the chance of another bubble (not necessarily as big or as soon as the one I described) is about 75%. Let's say my guess is that there's a 25% of 1 BTC being worth $0 in ten years and a 75% chance of it being worth $10,000. Expectation value of 1 BTC ten years from now: 25% x $0 + 75% x $10,000 = $7,500 Net present value of one Bitcoin today (assuming 6% cost of capital) = $4,187 So according to my interpretation of the probabilities, the price of a bitcoin is highly undervalued right now! Didn't know we were still using this forum I've been musing lately over what the value (at time = infinity) of a bitcoin would be if the 1 MB cap remained (and assuming, implausibly, that no other cryptocurrency took over). It would still be pretty high I think. I've seen a lot of calculations of how many domestic wire transfers there are per second, but has anyone estimated the number of physical gold transfers per second? Probably less than 1/sec I would think...
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Thank you to everyone for your acknowledgement of my paper--it is satisfying to see something you've worked hard on begin to make an impact in the discussion! Like I said earlier, it was really just a formalization of some of the ideas we've been discussing here over the past months.
I'm very happy with how the paper was received. Between public and private comments (and Peter Todd calling it pseudo science) several aspects of the paper were challenged, and now I'm further convinced that the model and results are both useful and valid. I think the most accurate criticism of the paper was that I should have spent more effort discussing the inter/intra communication issues (the "you don't orphan you're own block" point).1 Hopefully, I'll have time to work on this in the fall.
I exchanged emails with Greg Maxwell over several aspects of the paper that he questioned. One point he did make, that I admit is valid but do not personally see as an issue, is that the most profitable "configuration" according to the results from the paper is a single "super pool" made up of ALL the network's hashing power (which would be centralizing). This would minimize the propagation impedance. While I agree that this is true, it seems like just another way of looking at the 51% problem. We already know that if one entity controls a huge amount of hash power they can do nasty things and gain certain advantages. But it would be nice to find a way to explain why this shouldn't happen with more rigour than the "game theory" or "anti-fragile" fallback positions…
The experiment with the $10 bounties produced a mixed result. On the one hand, I think it got people who normally wouldn't read such a paper more involved in the discussion, but on the other hand (like brg444 pointed out) it may have made the thread less readable. I ended up paying out $90 to catch several small errors. The error I was most pleased to catch was Noosterdam's "innumerate" versus "enumerate." I think I've been using these words interchangeably my entire life but they actually mean very different things!
1Note that the math is valid nonetheless, as this just affects the propagation delay which was accounted for in the model.
I can't think of any economic disincentives against centralizing, independent of the block size issue and propagation. You always get economies of scale (e.g., you produce one mask for every new ASIC, but that mask let's you order 10 thousand or 10 million chips depending on your budget/scale... lots of other examples too like data center staff come to mind). EXCEPT, the game theory arguments. The bitcoins you mine are likely to be worth less simply because people won't like the idea of you having all of the control. Even if people didn't mind that you had 100% control, they would certainly mind if you abused your power. Am I missing something? I can't think of a single way to design a system where it is economically advantageous to move away from centralization (where we are intentionally neglecting the possibility that bitcoins might be worth more in a more decentralized environment).
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So, a quick question to the community!
Not many people seem to be donating and I need to generate enough to at least pay for the VPS. I don't want to add advertising to the site, although Google ads would probably generate me quite a bit. Does anyone have any suggestions for generating donations? I suppose I could make it optional on the new transaction page to donate, or throw up a message now and again.
What do you all think would be least intrusive?
How much are you paying per month? You might also host your site on Github for free. Its about 25£ a month. Its UK hosted, so probably a bit more expensive than usual. I can't run it from github as I need to be running a Bitcoin client, sometimes multiple ones. Personally, I find that to be useful information! Maybe state on the website what the costs are. I'll be sure to donate a month's usage next time I use it.
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So, a quick question to the community!
Not many people seem to be donating and I need to generate enough to at least pay for the VPS. I don't want to add advertising to the site, although Google ads would probably generate me quite a bit. Does anyone have any suggestions for generating donations? I suppose I could make it optional on the new transaction page to donate, or throw up a message now and again.
What do you all think would be least intrusive?
How much money are we talking about here? Give us a donation target
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Actually just an uptrend is enough to get people buying
+1 This, and time. I'm firmly in the camp that thinks Bitcoin doesn't need any fancy killer apps or major global events. It just needs time and steady rise (over the scale of years).
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They cannot handle 11.6MB unconfirmed transactions then how will they handle 20 MB blocks with 200 MB uncorfirmed transactions ?
It would be dramatically more expensive to spam the network with 200 MB of transactions.
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So I've been working (very) slowly on this section for the past few weeks. https://coinb.in/#settingsThe idea is to make it easier to retrieve your inputs for a transaction and broadcast a transaction via coinb.in or a number of other third parties, as well as making it easier to use bitcoin testnet (and eventually altcoins). At the time of posting this, I have only added multiple hosts to broadcasts too, and have not yet added any services to retrieve your inputs for a transaction. Once complete though this should make coinb.in even more resilient and decentralized than most wallets. Feedback and suggestions are welcome. So, as far as I know, there are no wallets/services that allow for Trezor+multsig (well, there's Greenaddress, but that uses their servers to do stuff). Any chance Coinbin could be the first to do this?
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Any multisig-with-Trezor wallets out there yet? (e.g., Copay with Trezor, multisig-electrum-with-Trezor, multisig on the mytrezor.com page...)
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I think I've heard all the arguments, but I still cannot understand the opposition to increasing the blocksize.
Glad I am not the only one! You'd think this level of hand-wringing about a hard fork would be reserved for changing the 21 million bitcoin limit or something. In 10 years I think this discussion about whether to have 1 MB blocks or 20 MB blocks will sound really strange in our TB-flash-drive streaming-hd-virtual-reality world.
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i find 21's two yr experience in mining very encouraging/exciting in anticipation of their ability to roll out relevant IOT asic chips, esp for smartphones. that should drive things like batshit: https://i.imgur.com/keXaz8c.pngWhere are those images coming from? I saw it posted on reddit, but what's the actual source? their ip address. i think. I don't understand... how can an image come from an ip address? yeah, not sure where it came from. am going to ask the OP. Thanks!
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i find 21's two yr experience in mining very encouraging/exciting in anticipation of their ability to roll out relevant IOT asic chips, esp for smartphones. that should drive things like batshit: https://i.imgur.com/keXaz8c.pngWhere are those images coming from? I saw it posted on reddit, but what's the actual source? their ip address. i think. I don't understand... how can an image come from an ip address?
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i find 21's two yr experience in mining very encouraging/exciting in anticipation of their ability to roll out relevant IOT asic chips, esp for smartphones. that should drive things like batshit: https://i.imgur.com/keXaz8c.pngWhere are those images coming from? I saw it posted on reddit, but what's the actual source?
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what's striking to me using the ignore is just how many pages and pages of posts TPTB-dick has been spamming to derail substantive and meaningful discussion. there is no doubt he has an alternative motive which is anti-Bitcoin.
I don't share other people's commitment to unmoderated, uncensored discussions... they have their place, but allowing every thread to let in trolls as a principle of free speech is like letting strangers into your house (instead of invited guests) based on the right to free assembly. Which is a long way of saying... cypherdoc, you should start a "Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. [moderated]" thread. All of the intelligent people will migrate over, and then you can just kick out the trolls. Haha no chance, such an action would be akin to throwing in the towel. After all this history? The history isn't going anywhere... it's not like we would be deleting a thread. In fact, I would start the new thread with the first post including a link to the old thread. *shrugs*
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what's striking to me using the ignore is just how many pages and pages of posts TPTB-dick has been spamming to derail substantive and meaningful discussion. there is no doubt he has an alternative motive which is anti-Bitcoin.
I don't share other people's commitment to unmoderated, uncensored discussions... they have their place, but allowing every thread to let in trolls as a principle of free speech is like letting strangers into your house (instead of invited guests) based on the right to free assembly. Which is a long way of saying... cypherdoc, you should start a "Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. [moderated]" thread. All of the intelligent people will migrate over, and then you can just kick out the trolls.
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