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1  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTCrow Escrow Service Scammer Exposed on: July 10, 2016, 07:06:07 PM
About 5 years back, BTCrow was purchased by:
                             
William Hulskamp - from Australia                   
biometrics74[at]gmail.com 

Quote from: btcrow.com's creator
He sent me an email before telling me his name is Paul, so I don't think he resold the website and this is the guy who scammed everyone.

here's the body of email:
==================================================================

Hi,

Could you provide a little more info on this site. Do you have any
aggregated statistics for escrow transactions e.g.

Number of transactions (per month, since started ...)
Average transaction value

Also what are the hosting requirements? e.g. Windows, Linux ...
development platform(s) (php, perl ...), database (mysql?), and third
party software requirements. Also could it run on shared hosting?

Kind Regards,

Paul


and the full headers:

============================================================

Received: by 10.236.80.66 with SMTP id j42mr3784528yhe.98.1316067618616;
        Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:20:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [10.66.32.101] (s044E.static.pacific.net.au [61.8.19.78])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k12sm12984312anc.19.2011.09.14.23.20.15
        (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER);
        Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:20:17 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4E71990A.20403@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:19:54 +1000
From: bios <biometrics74
  • gmail.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: netxxxxxxe@hush.com
Subject: Flippa Auction - btcrow.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
2  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTCrow Escrow Service - Fraud on: January 01, 2016, 10:57:18 PM
NOBODY purchase BTCrow the SCAM Escrow Fraud

Again, gfy BTCrow & thank you for your disservice to the community. Real class act you are to advertise your 59btc scam against me a top your commissions spreadsheet to prospective buyers: http://imgur.com/NMNbitB

Shame on the buyer who has interest in buying BTCrow (particularly as they claim someone is bidding upwards of 1300btc)!
3  Economy / Services / Re: BTCrow.com - Bitcoin Escrow Service - For safer bitcoin transactions on: December 20, 2015, 11:37:51 PM
Anyone used this recently? Is this still a good service/site to use?

BTCrow is doing the bitcoin community a favor by exiting the business. They are completely incompetent liars who failed me to the tune of 59 btc.

Read: Bitcoin Escrow Fraud

We do actually have a published service guarantee covering up to $500 USD for each escrow. Typically most of our escrows are around that amount, so most people are covered.  

http://btcrow.com/escrow_service_guarantee.php

We have also been around since mid 2011, processed 1000s of Bitcoin escrow transactions, and have a proven track record of keeping client's funds secured.

Ever think to update your misleading website description BTCrow?
meta description for btcrow.com:
<meta name="Description" content="Our mission is to add selectively scam online Bitcoin transactions for both buyers and sellers. Our service guarantees up to the first $10000 USD for every escrow transaction." />

The release of bitcoins is a manual process, and takes up to 24 hours. We do this manually for security reasons. Transactions above a certain amount are stored in an off-line paper wallet. Smaller escrows are stored in an encrypted wallet, and require the wallet to be manually unlocked before we release the funds.

For larger escrow amounts we also like to send a courtesy email to double check the BTC address is current.
I can confidently call BS on this...how dare you lie and act as if you verify payout addresses?

BTCrow is indeed a selective scammer. Good riddance!!!
4  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTCrow Escrow Service - Fraud on: December 20, 2015, 07:34:51 PM
So long BTCrow, good luck with your plan to scam another party via your website/'business' sale!

Thank you for being a lying scumbag & making off with undeserved/stolen btc!
View BTCrow support deceiving their customer when ask where the payment was/went. They claim the receiver address was stored encrypted via email: http://imgur.com/X3rBbyj

and clearly the selective scammers have full access to payout address they choose to withhold within their admin:
https://i.imgur.com/puzErTr.jpg

Thanks also for ducking legal and attorney contact you piece of work.

NOBODY purchase BTCrow.com the SCAM Escrow Fraud
5  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is btcrow.com trusted / any good? on: December 20, 2015, 07:20:54 PM
From what I have heard here and there, rumors say that they are selective scammers, which pick out the ones, who most likely wont report them.
This is just a rumor, I am not saying its as scam.

BTCrow.com is a scammer and after their latest fraud, posted about here at bitcointalk...they are running away.

6  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTCrow Escrow Service - Fraud(?) on: December 13, 2015, 07:00:29 AM
Did you see the new message which pops up when you go to their site?
Thank you key!

Quote from: BTCrow.com
IMPORTANT
Please remember, we NEVER send the escrow's payment address via email. If you receive a bitcoin address via email is being victim of a scam with a spoofed email address.

Unsure this message from BTCrow is new or helpful, hopefully they will update & amend their protocol asap. It is clear they still only worry about the receipt of payments to them & place no priority to see the payout reaches a legitimate address. Further, the frauds/hackers are privy to their bogus service which fails to safeguard funds and are able to take full advantage. Indeed BTCrow is either a selective scammer and/or utterly incompetent.
7  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTCrow Escrow Fraud - Spoofed Emails on: December 07, 2015, 02:41:06 AM
Thank you very much, appreciate the clarity as I have been curious how a subdomain from btcrow (s2.btcrow) equates to a spoofed email/address.

Email #1) Please confirm transaction
Delivered-To: m********c@gmail.com
Received: by 10.194.134.66 with SMTP id pi2csp246460wjb;
        Sat, 7 Nov 2015 06:07:49 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 10.28.133.133 with SMTP id h127mr16713029wmd.41.1446905269821;
        Sat, 07 Nov 2015 06:07:49 -0800 (PST)
Return-Path: <admin@s2.btcrow.com>
Received: from s2.btcrow.com ([5.134.117.43])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uz5si6579998wjc.199.2015.11.07.06.07.49
        for <m********c@gmail.com>
        (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128);
        Sat, 07 Nov 2015 06:07:49 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 5.134.117.43 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of admin@s2.btcrow.com) client-ip=5.134.117.43;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
       spf=neutral (google.com: 5.134.117.43 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of admin@s2.btcrow.com) smtp.mailfrom=admin@s2.btcrow.com;
       dkim=temperror (no key for signature) header.i=@btcrow.com
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btcrow.com; s=mail;
   h=Date:Message-Id:Reply-To:From:Content-type:MIME-Version:Subject:To; bh=oSgjeZxnH8emju5vkrpa969ANgF0uT2poQPs7vBqYvU=;
   b=bqpdiVWIFv6bpNdUOUfP/xYsSs2m9sIyvjUA+mceu+sRYxKjtp7bHSJNBFo1N8c/ahaDeSQdPydtFGRuMpa4h4I8KbZdOgE6gKdFX/WEnX5wzqi7oG4HetqE4Ut7Yx8uDQyZAzaaBImy+AcV/ue8t3Yn8c7NeHtlJsuxShWD1/I=;
Received: from admin by s2.btcrow.com with local (Exim 4.80)
   (envelope-from <admin@s2.btcrow.com>)
   id 1Zv48k-0001pc-23; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 09:06:46 -0500
To: m********c@gmail.com
Subject: Please confirm transaction #JLdhofwi4E563e05376f1e2
X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1000:functions.php
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
From: BTCrow.com<noreply@btcrow.com>
Reply-To: support@btcrow.com
X-Mailer: PHP/5.4.41-0+deb7u1
Message-Id: <E1Zv48k-0001pc-23@s2.btcrow.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 09:06:46 -0500

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Email #2) Payment Received
Delivered-To: m********c@gmail.com
Received: by 10.194.134.66 with SMTP id pi2csp1281408wjb;
        Mon, 9 Nov 2015 08:31:05 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 10.28.16.203 with SMTP id 194mr28935765wmq.55.1447086665479;
        Mon, 09 Nov 2015 08:31:05 -0800 (PST)
Return-Path: <admin@s2.btcrow.com>
Received: from s2.btcrow.com ([5.134.117.43])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8si19143549wja.11.2015.11.09.08.31.05
        for <m********c@gmail.com>
        (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128);
        Mon, 09 Nov 2015 08:31:05 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 5.134.117.43 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of admin@s2.btcrow.com) client-ip=5.134.117.43;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
       spf=neutral (google.com: 5.134.117.43 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of admin@s2.btcrow.com) smtp.mailfrom=admin@s2.btcrow.com;
       dkim=temperror (no key for signature) header.i=@btcrow.com
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btcrow.com; s=mail;
   h=Date:Message-Id:Reply-To:From:Content-type:MIME-Version:Subject:To; bh=p/D8Vsdp6CJfm3ZqoUCUDqJIwKHDiYebsdLWG/5WJAs=;
   b=qOmf5WNbrBrJArCmUDoxoLa4+6+G0PR0oWM2Ti4qpm54r2ACsjQqoQ4DfZL5pSd12fYlaWyvWmJyNqkRAHmrONTvvSEFxQKWM2pyFVf0vOiTQhYbh/0hYe/5Xp5EsQHVhM2Wo+uC2dUxBhhuBS3GZaxvphjIAYp+P9MoI8Hawdw=;
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   (envelope-from <admin@s2.btcrow.com>)
   id 1ZvpKT-0003a2-Ih; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 11:30:01 -0500
To: m********c@gmail.com
Subject: BTCrow Transaction - Payment Received
X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1000:functions.php
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
From: BTCrow.com<noreply@btcrow.com>
Reply-To: support@btcrow.com
X-Mailer: PHP/5.4.41-0+deb7u1
Message-Id: <E1ZvpKT-0003a2-Ih@s2.btcrow.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 11:30:01 -0500

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Email #3) Item(s) Sent
Delivered-To: m********c@gmail.com
Received: by 10.194.82.65 with SMTP id g1csp725947wjy;
        Wed, 11 Nov 2015 05:37:47 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 10.194.184.7 with SMTP id eq7mr10210720wjc.26.1447249067420;
        Wed, 11 Nov 2015 05:37:47 -0800 (PST)
Return-Path: <admin@s2.btcrow.com>
Received: from s2.btcrow.com ([5.134.117.43])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m134si12576512wmd.84.2015.11.11.05.37.47
        for <m********c@gmail.com>
        (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128);
        Wed, 11 Nov 2015 05:37:47 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 5.134.117.43 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of admin@s2.btcrow.com) client-ip=5.134.117.43;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
       spf=neutral (google.com: 5.134.117.43 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of admin@s2.btcrow.com) smtp.mailfrom=admin@s2.btcrow.com;
       dkim=temperror (no key for signature) header.i=@btcrow.com
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btcrow.com; s=mail;
   h=Date:Message-Id:Reply-To:From:Content-type:MIME-Version:Subject:To; bh=WIAaNewrELU1UVcg10meMm302ZfGK8n1waZ0XUrQyhE=;
   b=soaFtkL98eZLBarsFryG+Wc8CFG8knnUMJbet2g+BoOGPxNvZzd5dlbU87nTGhHXR87Vz2VONLGJ38TPy37w0tkC3iMOXFapjiH1jf0SwRg2oBJ/RtO7ctj+9/zBQJ0Z7fKlDbKM/kVfkn+Um6mwy52krBMD29aUNoi+TYQC2lk=;
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   (envelope-from <admin@s2.btcrow.com>)
   id 1ZwVZq-0006YF-CO; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:36:42 -0500
To: m********c@gmail.com
Subject: Item(s) Sent - Transaction #JLdhofwi4E563e05376f1e2
X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1000:functions.php
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
From: BTCrow.com<noreply@btcrow.com>
Reply-To: support@btcrow.com
X-Mailer: PHP/5.4.41-0+deb7u1
Message-Id: <E1ZwVZq-0006YF-CO@s2.btcrow.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:36:42 -0500

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Email #4) Item(s) Received
Delivered-To: m********c@gmail.com
Received: by 10.194.82.65 with SMTP id g1csp783389wjy;
        Wed, 11 Nov 2015 07:31:57 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 10.28.11.207 with SMTP id 198mr38691064wml.47.1447255917015;
        Wed, 11 Nov 2015 07:31:57 -0800 (PST)
Return-Path: <admin@s2.btcrow.com>
Received: from s2.btcrow.com ([5.134.117.43])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cm4si12276047wjb.78.2015.11.11.07.31.56
        for <m********c@gmail.com>
        (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128);
        Wed, 11 Nov 2015 07:31:56 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 5.134.117.43 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of admin@s2.btcrow.com) client-ip=5.134.117.43;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
       spf=neutral (google.com: 5.134.117.43 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of admin@s2.btcrow.com) smtp.mailfrom=admin@s2.btcrow.com;
       dkim=temperror (no key for signature) header.i=@btcrow.com
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btcrow.com; s=mail;
   h=Date:Message-Id:Reply-To:From:Content-type:MIME-Version:Subject:To; bh=fnRvQWnXwd5j2ghFrxzr48uwS3UB/PJeo11gogcEdqo=;
   b=fWVMXX7YgBx610QQhR52lgJdruPJToc26ok1iAGsohIiRwsTsDjciDlbKbI0f1cylZoeOyUTipejWiwjLVK3ujca8zdHw8auTjmJHdvNZTuXzPQZEwFJF4vtUB7UisIsfL6oDVszzsqR9ytoxdTZrWQ8EgmQn5MhirERHaPzoDk=;
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   id 1ZwXMI-0000Ik-JD; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 10:30:50 -0500
To: m********c@gmail.com
Subject: Item(s) Received - Transaction #JLdhofwi4E563e05376f1e2
X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1000:functions.php
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
From: BTCrow.com<noreply@btcrow.com>
Reply-To: support@btcrow.com
X-Mailer: PHP/5.4.41-0+deb7u1
Message-Id: <E1ZwXMI-0000Ik-JD@s2.btcrow.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 10:30:50 -0500

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Email #5) Funds released
Delivered-To: m********c@gmail.com
Received: by 10.194.82.65 with SMTP id g1csp1961217wjy;
        Sun, 22 Nov 2015 22:09:47 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 10.68.162.193 with SMTP id yc1mr28778151pbb.148.1448258987816;
        Sun, 22 Nov 2015 22:09:47 -0800 (PST)
Return-Path: <support@btcrow.com>
Received: from a2i559.smtp2go.com (a2i559.smtp2go.com. [103.47.206.47])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b69si17141613pfd.30.2015.11.22.22.09.46
        for <m********c@gmail.com>
        (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
        Sun, 22 Nov 2015 22:09:47 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 103.47.206.47 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of support@btcrow.com) client-ip=103.47.206.47;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
       spf=neutral (google.com: 103.47.206.47 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of support@btcrow.com) smtp.mailfrom=support@btcrow.com;
       dkim=pass header.i=@smtpcorp.com
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed;
   d=smtpcorp.com; s=a0-2; h=Feedback-ID:X-Smtpcorp-Track:Date:Message-ID:
   Subject:From:To; bh=sOwQYQhFQoAZ5OMPxm63XNji2FH5UA9efNyQgc8d9IA=; b=jNWCKZDMp
   P5o9hpzb4ITomHD7vuJvlFQY7RoWfuVG46nAKjScK8v5tTbg1BnWrHc4XgZCbF3DWtcxyBAE4DyQl
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   V1iYC0527223X0qC4KlXhw8kQ==;
To: m********c@gmail.com
From: BTCrow <support@btcrow.com>
Subject: Funds released for btcrow.com transaction #JLdhofwi4E563e05376f1e2
 [Transaction Expired]
Message-ID: <5652AD84.3080207@btcrow.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 06:09:08 +0000
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Feedback-ID: 175870m:175870aw3Cd9W:175870sR_HtFR_JQ:SMTPCORP
X-Report-Abuse: Please forward a copy of this message, including all
 headers, to <abuse@smtp2go.com>
8  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTCrow Escrow Service - Fraud(?) on: November 27, 2015, 05:41:20 PM
956Vette, I've already sent the information requested by private, we have a privacy policy but you are free to publish your own information.
Some of the headers of your received emails are spuffed emails. It can be a "man in the middle" attack between you and us. As I recommended initially go to the police.

I was skeptical for several reasons:

- There were 4 previous transactions with different amounts, in one of them the IP of buyer and seller were the same.
- The buyer never replied to any of our emails.
- After initiated the inspection period the buyer has the option to release the payment, but he never release the payment.
- You contact us three times about this and I told you two times that request the of release payment (a option in the seller panel), but you preferred to wait until the transaction expire.

And finally the payment is released but strangely you do not receive it. For me it was very rare. But after seeing the emails spuffed undoubtedly some kind of scam has occurred and will do everything possible to help you find the culprit.

Thanks again for your cooperation BTCrow.

It's painfully obvious BTCrow protects themselves, ensuring they receive payments & disregards the security of their customers.

Allow my rebuttal for your skepticisms:
- There were 4 previous transactions with different amounts, in one of them the IP of buyer and seller were the same.
I recall only 1 previous transaction which was indeed for a different amount. Living in USA, I made a deal with an international buyer in USD. The deal was for 23k (USD) which was agreed upon in the beginning of Oct 2015. At the time, that translated to roughly 100 btc. Buyer needed a couple weeks to gather funds and then more time to acquire bitcoins. Early in Nov, when bitcoin value spiked, and rapidly dropped, receiving 48 coins was not welcomed and therefor I initiated a new transaction which the buyer agreed upon, totaling ~59 btc.
- The buyer never replied to any of our emails.
Did you require the buyer to reply to your emails? I also do not enjoy talking to this buyer and preferred doing business as passively/peacefully as possible.
- After initiated the inspection period the buyer has the option to release the payment, but he never release the payment.
I had given the buyer plenty of time & as I grew impatient I did make a special request for him to release payment. By the time he replied, the payment had been released to the fraudulent address.
- You contact us three times about this and I told you two times that request the of release payment (a option in the seller panel), but you preferred to wait until the transaction expire.
Some degree of arrogance you have to make such an assumption. What, were you in a rush to pay the fraudulent wallet? I do not understand 90% of your skepticism, but thanks for sharing - truly enlightening information from BTCrow!
9  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTCrow Escrow Service - Fraud(?) on: November 27, 2015, 05:28:20 PM
956Vette, I feel like you have been scammed hard by BTCRow....
I do feel as though I have been scammed hard, at least in large part by BTCrow.

After forwarding all emails to BTCrow support they share with me that I have been victim to their front page fraud. However, being the receiver/seller...the warning imho falls short & highlights the failure of BTCrow's service.
Quote from: BTCrow.com front page
Please remember, we NEVER send the escrow's payment address via email. If you receive a bitcoin address via email is being victim of a scam with a spoofed email address.
If I may reiterate, all of their highly publicized frauds w/ regards to their business could have been eliminated had they reach the escrow payment receiver & provide payment address.

BTCrow states I was victim of a scam with a spoofed email address because I failed to discern:
Quote from: BTCrow.com support
All our emails are:
"Received: from server.btcrow.com"
or
"Received: from a2i559.smtp2go.com"

You received few spuffed emails "from s2.btcrow.com"

Allow me to provide off the cuff comments with regards to their security warnings:
Quote from: BTCrow.com
Security Precautions:
To protect your escrow funds we require that you take the following precautions:
    Do NOT send bitcoins to a bitcoin address you received via email
    Check the URL domain is btcrow.com
    Check the automated emails are from a btcrow.com address
    You must verify your email address and the escrow details on btcrow.com for each transaction
    We do not send the escrow's payment address via email
    If the confirmation email goes to your SPAM or Junk folder it's most likely a spoofed email
    Always confirm your transaction exists on our website, and ALL details are correct
    Contact us immediately if you have any suspicions
  • Do NOT send bitcoins to a bitcoin address you received via email
Not an applicable warning as I hoped to receive a release of payment.
  • Check the URL domain is btcrow.com
Being the party which chose BTCrow for the escrow service, my feelings are that I was perfectly able to traffic BTCrow.com's secure website without issue.
  • Check the automated emails are from a btcrow.com address
This bullet point sure does get quickly glossed over by BTCrow....
  • You must verify your email address and the escrow details on btcrow.com for each transaction
Easy enough. How about the company which is receiving 1.5% of the cut handle their share of the verification of email address and escrow details?!
  • We do not send the escrow's payment address via email
How you justify hiding the release of escrow payment address from view is baffling, distasteful and ripe for fraud/abuse.
  • If the confirmation email goes to your SPAM or Junk folder it's most likely a spoofed email
Not once did gmail send your spoofed (or spuffed as you say) emails to SPAM/Junk folder, fyi.
  • Always confirm your transaction exists on our website, and ALL details are correct
Always did confirm transaction existed on BTCrow.com, however ALL details are not transparent. Again, how dare your company conceal the release of payment address information...how are you trying to protect/fool?
  • Contact us immediately if you have any suspicions
Consistent communication is what you received from my end. Allow me to sum up BTCrow's support and fill in some gaps had any party wish to use this company. While using BTCrow escrow, I learned the 1 day inspection period would not be followed by an immediate release of payment. Support shares a 7 day security period is followed by the inspection period (had the buyer not take the initiative to go out to their way to release the payment). Further, 7 day security period is later defined/clarified by BTCrow support as 7 business day period....
Perhaps during, or better yet, before the inspection & security period, BTCrow should take notice of an IP log consisting of half use from Texas & the other traffic from Amsterdam?
IP Log:
87.226.2.122
176.126.252.12
87.226.2.122
99.99.185.213
87.226.2.122
99.99.185.213
87.226.2.122
99.99.185.213
10  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTCrow Escrow Service - Fraud(?) on: November 26, 2015, 03:10:49 PM
About your final insinuations, this never happened before, since 2011 never. All "problems" that can be found about us are occasional delays during network problems with the stress test or malleability.

Scammers have tried numerous types of fraud with spoofed emails and phishing addresses, all alerts on our website have a reason for being there are 4 or 5 attempts of scam every week. I already requested all our emails with respective headers to try to find out what happened. But in my opinion this time seems more likely that somehow the customer entered a wrong address copied from somewhere.

Probably is necessary to verify the address before release payment to avoid these situations (we work on it), but this was not something predictable, in four years has never happened.

We have all logs and everything has a demonstrable record, and we have informed to the customer that we can cooperate with any investigation by the authorities of his country and provide them all the data that require. I think we are providing all possible help, and I'm sorry if you do not feel the same.

Regards,
BTCROW
Thank you for your continued support and astounding high degree of confidence in your system. I should mention to the onlookers BTCrow disregarded or didn't care to respond to multiple inquires in private earlier in the week. Thanks again to the bitcoin community here for provided such a valuable resource.

All emails have been forwarded to BTCrow.

How doubtful is it that I visited Coinbase via a spoofed email & went through multiple verification processes only to have copied and pasted a fraudulent bitcoin wallet address?

If you are a company that's victim to so many scam attempts per week...it is amazing that you have so few verification steps.... Maybe it's worth reiterating to the folks...BTCrow NEVER verifies the release of payment address to the seller & encrypts/conceals until the end.

Thank you for admitting fault in your process & your consideration going forward that you'll be wise to verify the address before release of payment to avoid these devastating situations.

I expect all logs to be provided to me via email (& feel free to publish IP addresses here) and to be provided with your legal address/contact information for law enforcement & attorney.
11  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTCrow Escrow Service - Fraud(?) on: November 24, 2015, 08:37:52 PM
This seems highly suspect on BTCRows part.  Are you saying you just send money to an address without ever sending an email to the person to verify the address is correct or their address to begin with? 

How do we know BTCrow isn't directing funds to their own addresses?

This is exactly their protocol. Absolute nonsense. BTCrow, I created this topic and alerted you so that you may help others...care to do so?
12  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTCrow Escrow Service Fraud on: November 24, 2015, 12:34:24 AM
Dear customer,
You contacted us twice last week and knew that the payment would automatically be released after that time.

Regards,

BTCROW
How exactly did I know that the payment would automatically be released to a fraudulent address? Never once did you or btcrow.com offer up the specific address details to confirm with me. Folks should know that the info disappears & is concealed and/or encrypted on your side after submission via btcrow early on within the process...only to be noticed if/when it's too late.
Fyi, zero spuffed emails are within my inbox.
13  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTCrow Escrow Service - Fraud on: November 23, 2015, 10:15:42 PM
Thank you BTCrow for responding in public and your further courtesy and understanding so far in private. Would you mind offering a rational for concealing the receiver BTC address throughout the escrow process? Perhaps during the inspection period the seller may wish to be reminded of the btc address expected to receive a $20k+ payment?
The IP address provided by BTCrow claims the fraudulent wallet address originates from a European address? 87.226.2.124 is far away from Texas, USA. Is this correct?

Rest assured I will look for and fwd any/all spoofed emails & that I was in full control & saw with my eyes (pardon not knowing to capture a screenshot...if that sort of tech exists during submission...) confirmation of my email + wallet address.

14  Economy / Scam Accusations / BTCrow.com Escrow Service Fraud on: November 23, 2015, 06:33:11 PM
Thank you in advance for your help bitcointalk.org community!

I am new to bitcoin and had hoped to receive a release of payment into my wallet (via coinbase). BTCrow.com facilitated a website sale with their escrow service. Unfortunately, as I understand, during the escrow process the seller (myself) provides the desired btc address to be paid. In the end of the inspection period + 7 business day wait period (for 'security'), btcrow automatically deposited (without any verification/notification until too late) into an unknown wallet (which they claim has been encrypted/etc & provided by myself):1N8FbnAWjegbUPzFJhnYQx7ECN5V3ec12m
https://blockchain.info/address/1N8FbnAWjegbUPzFJhnYQx7ECN5V3ec12m

1N8FbnAWjegbUPzFJhnYQx7ECN5V3ec12m is not my wallet address, nor is it ANY wallet associated with Coinbase (the only company I have used to create a wallet in 2015). My newbie eye/analysis appears to indicate all funds are long gone.

BTCrow support shares with me that they will fully cooperate with law enforcement and I should contact Police had I be a scam victim. What action should I take?

Best regards,
-956Vette
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