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61  Other / Beginners & Help / What is "forking"? on: January 16, 2013, 09:24:21 AM
Hi there,

Before I ask here, I googled it but I couldn't find any answer about what is forking bitcoins or forking blockchains.

so, if anyone can throw a bit of light in here to help, I'd appreciate it.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

B.
62  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: a flaw in the 21 million BTC? on: January 16, 2013, 03:51:45 AM
Thanks guys for the wonderful answers!

Let me ask you a few more questions if you don't mind. And again, I'm asking for the sake of wisdom and I don't mean disrespect to anybody.

Bitcoins are divisible to eight decimal places. When BTC become valuable enough people will stop trading in BTC and use mBTC (.001BTC). After that, they'll trade in Satoshis (0.00000001 BTC). There is no problem here Smiley

I know, but that doesn't solve the problem of the value, even if we start using satoshis. If the value of the total 21 millions is around 2 billions, that's not enough money for rich or banks to move their money over this currency, because there is not enough BTC to do that.

Or it could go the other way...... where 21 million bitcoins is worth a buck........

We hope not!  Wink

. . . if in any future, a 0,00000001 BTC = 1 cent, that would make the 1 BTC = $1 million and I don't see that possible . . .
And yet if bitcoin ever reaches mainstream use, this is exactly the sort of thing that will happen.  Why don't you see it as possible?

Why do you? Honestly, I'd like to know. I just don't think is that possible because it has never happened with any other currency in the world (1 currency = $100,000), why would it happen to BTC? (I hope you are right Smiley

Lets say Bitcoin "only" rises to a monetary base of $10B USD equivalent with $100B in annual transactions making it larger (in terms of transaction value) than PayPal, Western Union, MoneyGram, GreenDot, Discover and Amex combined?  Is that a failure?  OH NOES Bitcoin out of nothing, became the largest money transfer system on the planet.  Nope it didn't become the one world currency so lets pull the plug and mark it up as a failure?
Is the value of gold = combined sum of net worths of everyone in the world?  Nope?  I guess Gold as a mechanism for storing wealth has "failed" too.

How can you come up with $100B? is the 21 millions btc = $10B, why is $100B in annual transactions? Sorry, but I have no idea how that works.


I guess that even if all the money in circulation was traded for the 21 million bitcoins, 1 satoshi would still be worth less than what you can buy today with 0.001 USD.
Or, the other way around, if you want 2100000000000000 Satoshis * 0.001 USD = 2.1 trillion USD
There is more money in circulation than 2.1 trillion USD. Maybe something like 21 trillion, actually. So yeah, with 1 satoshi you would buy what you can buy now with 0.01 USD.

so, are you guessing that bitcoins can reach the ratio 1 BTC = $100,000?


Why similar idea is raised repeatedly and repeatedly. If at the very beginning Satoshi had decided the total supply as 21 billion BTC instead of 21M and started with 50k reward per block, the exchange rate today would be $0.014/BTC instead of $14/BTC. If he started with 21k BTC, the exchange rate today would be $14k/BTC. It's arbitrary.

But it seems more believable to see that a  $0.014/BTC can reach a $10/BTC in the future than a $14/BTC becoming a $14000/BTC.

Again, it's just "hard" to believe that if you have a wallet of 10 BTC ($140 today), that can become (in the future) a $1,000,000


thank you all!
B.
63  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / a flaw in the 21 million BTC? on: January 16, 2013, 01:31:25 AM
hey there!

I hope you can solve this issue that it's in my head. There is one thing I can't understand.

In the future there will be only 21 million BTC, right?  Let's pretend that we already have those 21 million out there. (I know it'd be in 2033, but bear with me Smiley

Right now the value is 1 BTC = $14, that would make $294 millions, if we hit $100 per BTC this year, that would be $2,1 Billions on BTC. Correct?

That's not enough money for a worldwide currency...my question is, how the btc is going to compete against others currency that has more value?  Shouldn't the BTC be at least the gross domestic product (GDP) of a small country?

Having the 21 millions of BTC =  $2,1 Billions (when it reaches the $100 per BTC), any of the richest men in the world could buy ALL of bitcoins (bill gates has over $61 Billions) and there won't be any more BTC for the rest of us. They could never transfer their whole fortune into BTC (if they want to), but they can do that now with other currencies.  Shouldn't any currency in the world have enough value to gather at least the richest men's fortune?

Even if the BTC rise to the 1 BTC = $10,000, which is HUGE, that would be $210 billions.... that'd be only the top 4 of the richest men.

And also, no country would take btc as currency when there is no enough supply. The GDP of the US is $15,290 billions and Kazakhstan (at #50 in the world) has a GDP of $219 Billions. Still more than BTC when (and if) it reaches $10,000 per BTC.

I know it can be divided into 9 digits, but to get to the point as a dollar, euro or pound where the standard is 3 digits (1 dollar = 100 cents), if in any future, a 0,00000001 BTC = 1 cent, that would make the 1 BTC = $1 million and I don't see that possible...I wish, because if that happens, many of us here would be millionaire Smiley

don't get me wrong...I'm NOT against BTC, I love BTC, it's just something that I don't understand how it will work in the future.

Thanks!
64  Economy / Digital goods / Re: $10 iTunes® eCard & $25 Best Buy eGift Card (new price!!!) on: December 06, 2012, 06:19:11 AM
bump!  Grin
65  Economy / Digital goods / $10 iTunes® eCard & $25 Best Buy eGift Card (new price!!!) on: December 02, 2012, 08:40:14 PM
Hi

I have (1) $10 iTunes® eCard and (2) $25 Best Buy eGift Cards


$25 Best Buy eGift Cards x 1.80 BTC (= 23.87 USD)

$10 iTunes® eCard x 0.75 BTC (= 9.95 USD)

We can do it in Bitmit or send me a PM here.

Thanks!
Bitconian



https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/10456-25-best-buy-egift-card
https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/10457-10-itunes-ecard
66  Economy / Digital goods / Re: $25 Best Buy eGift Card on: November 17, 2012, 07:10:07 AM
Start price: 2.00 BTC (= 23.04 USD)
Buy now: 2.10 BTC (= 24.19 USD)
67  Economy / Goods / Timex Personal Trainer Heart Rate on: November 11, 2012, 10:41:31 PM
https://www.bitmit.net/en/trade/i/8185-timex-personal-trainer-heart-rate

or send me a PM

Start price:  22.00 USD (= 2.048 BTC)
Buy now:  25.00 USD BTC (= 2.328 BTC)
68  Economy / Digital goods / $25 Best Buy eGift Card (Lower price) on: November 11, 2012, 10:40:15 PM
https://www.bitmit.net/en/trade/i/9409-25-best-buy-egift-card

or send me a PM

Start price: 2.421 BTC (= 26.00 USD)
Buy now: 2.514 BTC (= 27.00 USD)

69  Economy / Goods / $25 Amazon.com - 2 BTC on: October 12, 2012, 04:01:38 AM
$25 Amazon.com eCard start price from 2 BTC or "Buy it now" for 2.20 BTC
https://www.bitmit.net/en/trade/i/7375-25-amazon-com-ecard

or PM and we can have a deal
B.
70  Economy / Goods / $10 iTunes - 0.80 BTC on: October 12, 2012, 04:00:14 AM
$10 iTunes® eCard start price from 0.80 BTC or "Buy it now" for 1 BTC
https://www.bitmit.net/en/trade/i/7374-10-itunes-ecard/seller_info

or PM and we can have a deal
B.
71  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: is 70ºC too hot for a graphic card? (broken already?) on: October 10, 2012, 09:21:34 PM
Make sure your PC is set to Performance mode not power saving mode...

I will do...thanks!!
72  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: is 70ºC too hot for a graphic card? (broken already?) on: October 10, 2012, 06:09:47 PM
I was mining almost 680 MH/s, and yesterday, for no reason was all day around 290 MH/s

now, my values are:

     Activity: 99%
     GPU clock: 1150%
     Power: 0%
     Temperature: 64%
     Fan Speed: 85%


could it be that it is broken?Huh   already?? I was using it for 4 days only O_O why is not mining at what it's supposed to?

Edit: I used 50BTC, Deepbit and Bitminter. Different times, different programs to mine. It never went over 290 MH/s
73  Economy / Goods / Re: $10 iTunes - & - $25 Amazon.com (price dropped) on: October 10, 2012, 07:21:42 AM
Hi  Grin

I'm selling these cards

$25 Amazon.com eCard 3.00 BTC (Buy now) or Start price from 2.50 BTC
https://www.bitmit.net/en/trade/i/7375-25-amazon-com-ecard

$10 iTunes® eCard 1.50 BTC (Buy now) or Start price from 1 BTC
https://www.bitmit.net/en/trade/i/7374-10-itunes-ecard/seller_info

If you send me a PM to buy them both, I will sell them for 3.40 BTC  Cool

B.

just for you guys! Smiley Both cards for 3 BTC
74  Economy / Goods / $10 iTunes - & - $25 Amazon.com (price dropped) on: October 09, 2012, 05:11:34 AM
Hi  Grin

I'm selling these cards

$25 Amazon.com eCard 3.00 BTC (Buy now) or Start price from 2.50 BTC
https://www.bitmit.net/en/trade/i/7375-25-amazon-com-ecard

$10 iTunes® eCard 1.50 BTC (Buy now) or Start price from 1 BTC
https://www.bitmit.net/en/trade/i/7374-10-itunes-ecard/seller_info

If you send me a PM to buy them both, I will sell them for 3.40 BTC  Cool

B.
75  Other / Beginners & Help / How much do you think a BTC can be worth in the future? on: October 08, 2012, 10:42:26 PM
I was wondering how much do YOU think a BTC would be worth, let's say....in 5 years from now? and in 10 years?

These are my bets Smiley :

         in 5 years:   1 BTC=$60 (USD)
         in 10 years: 1 BTC=$100 (USD)


what's the highest do you think a BTC can get?

76  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: October 08, 2012, 10:31:27 PM
Josh from Butterfly Labs @ Bitcoin Conference 2012   

          http://youtu.be/bT-smMzg54k
77  Other / Beginners & Help / Why different? 360MH/s on GUIMiner = 170MH/s on Deepbit? on: October 07, 2012, 06:46:58 PM
Hi,
I just started to mine with GUIMiner and I've added 2 pools, Mt.Red and DeepBit. (I'm pretty new on these programs, so please, bear with me Smiley) I also have installed the Miner Status app for android.

So, on GUIMiner, I got:

      Deepbit 360MH/s
      Mt.Red 325MH/s


But on my app I see this:

      Deepbit 220MH/s
      Mt.Red 170MH/s


Also, I checked my worker on Mt.Red and also says 170MH/s.... what's wrong? which one is "lying" to me? My GUIMiner? the pools? the apps?
78  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: is 70ºC too hot for a graphic card? on: October 07, 2012, 06:35:04 PM
Power 0% I believe it's the "powertune" which defines the power envelope of 6900 or newer cards. It throttles down the card if power disipation exceeds TDP, which I believe it's around 250W for 7970. For 6950 with unlocked shaders it was mandatory to set at +20% (the maximum) in order to not throttle. On 7950 and 7970 I did not noticed it's necessary, but just to be sure you can set it at 20%.
It's easy to discover if it's necessary: you look at the hash rate. It's necesary to set if you don't have the  expected hashrate. You should obtain more than 680MH/s at 1150MHz (cgminer 2.5.0, intensity 11, default settings).

Should I change the power to +20%?

At 1150 MHz I'm getting 675MH/s average with GUIMiner
79  Other / Beginners & Help / Work rejected. Server says: Stale or alien proof of work on: October 07, 2012, 03:07:02 AM
I'm using BitMinter and I got this message:

Work rejected. Server says: Stale or alien proof of work

what does it mean? I looked information and apparently is very common when you mine solo. But I don't.

I've been getting this message all day. Have I mine something?? Or just running the computer for nothing?

2012.10.06 [18:24]  Tahiti (#1) ran out of work. Idling...
2012.10.06 [18:24]  Warning - slow network or server. Request took 21 sec.
2012.10.06 [18:44]  Work rejected. Server says: Stale proof of work
2012.10.06 [19:05]  Work rejected. Server says: Stale proof of work


Thanks!

Edit: is it a problem of my computer or is a BitMinter's problem?
80  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: is 70ºC too hot for a graphic card? on: October 07, 2012, 02:52:24 AM
5 more hours mining (9 hours total no-stopping)

    Activity: 99%
     GPU clock: 1150%
     Power: 0%
     Temperature: 69º C (I assume because it's already night and the outside temperature has dropped significantly)
     Fan Speed: 85%


It seems that works pretty well  Grin Grin Grin

let's see how it behaves in its first 24h of life  Cheesy

Edit: Why is "power" 0%? What is that?
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