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1  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Leaving Negative Feedback for BitSyncom, Scammed on Trade-ins, Scammed on Chips, on: September 30, 2013, 02:24:51 AM
Yifu,

Please refund me the 15 bitcoins to 1CorsCrBEcbncfnR7BVKadUZbHP7xNZCjJ.

Thanks

done.

Also there will be some compensation for trade-in and chip order customers. ( you are entitled regardless, so don't think I am trying to sway your decision. )
2  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Leaving Negative Feedback for BitSyncom, Scammed on Trade-ins, Scammed on Chips, on: September 30, 2013, 02:12:43 AM
I send the trade-in payment emails about 80 days ago, people who paid got their units already.

assuming you two never got the emails to pay your trade-ins, pm me and I'll look into it right now.

also af_newbie I've send that email multiple times now, including the latest one from 8 days ago, do you even want the trade-in or just want to keep complaining?

Yifu,

Listen, I wanted trade-ins on the terms you announced when you asked on April 15th, 2013 for us to send in boards, i.e. batch #2 pricing ($1499) less $300 credit for each Icarus board, to be shipped before batch #2.  That is what you said on this forum.  Why would I send you my Icarus boards if I did not want to trade them?

Let see what happened:  
- I sent you my Icarus boards the next morning (April 16th, 2013),
- you received them on April 23rd, 2012, your guy Mr. Chen signed for them  
- Since then I have sent PMs, emails, then opened tickets on your new system, first ticket #961
- you replied only to my last PM because I posted on fullsurface thread about his batch #1 screw up
- you have created an order on Sept 28th, 2012 and asked me to pay over BTC17 for each Icarus trade in.  That was over $2100 at bitpay rate.

Yifu, you did not ship my trade-ins on time, and you changed the terms/pricing of the trade in program.  What kind of trade-in is this?
I ask you?  At this point, I don't want your trade-ins as you have changed the terms.  Please refund me the cost of Icarus boards (BTC15) or return those boards(+power supplies) back to me or send me 5 free avalons.   Choice is yours.  Show everybody here your true colors.

I'm a very honest guy (many on this forum can tell you that) and whatever you do, I'll be here to tell.  Good or bad.
If you decide to be a scammer, prick on wheels, well I can tell you that you will be labeled as such by many on this forum and elsewhere.


Let's get somethings straight here.

1. the original terms of the trade-in is batch #2 price, at $1600 USD worth of bitcoins, nobody actually paid for the 300 discount deal as the store was down.
2. I simply duplicated the order after I saw your PM, as seems you did not receive the emails.
3. the price 17 bitcoins is correct for the time, which is about 80 days ago.
4. I will continue to honor the $1600, which goes out to be about 12.8 bitcoins at the moment.

If you did get the emails, why not just reply to PM telling me the price is wrong or those are not the original terms?

Also, I no longer have the boards, you can either get a 15 bitcoins refund, or pay the 12.8 bitcoins.
3  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BitSyncom Im still waithing on batch 1 order how is that possible on: September 30, 2013, 01:34:55 AM
For the record, this man send me a wire FEBRUARY of 2013... FOR A BATCH 1 ORDER.
 
After he told me his order number I wondered who is paying this guy to shill me out, because I've looked into this before. Alas I looked all my records and found it.

Now I wait for for him to make a decision on wire refund / bitcoin refund.

CASE CLOSED.

Aren't you mixing this up with Anti76's sob story?

nope, Anti76 sent his wire in Jan. This is another wire made on the Feb 11, or 13th, I forgot which.

To be honest I am at fault here, but really I didn't think to check for wires that late since I gone through my 2012 wires multiple times (for anti76 and others ) and did not find his originally so I dismissed it.
Holy shit, someone had bigger balls than Anti76?

Unbelievable....

(By the way, did Anti76 ever get his hardware?)

yes he did.
4  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Leaving Negative Feedback for BitSyncom, Scammed on Trade-ins, Scammed on Chips, on: September 30, 2013, 01:31:23 AM
I send the trade-in payment emails about 80 days ago, people who paid got their units already.

assuming you two never got the emails to pay your trade-ins, pm me and I'll look into it right now.

also af_newbie I've send that email multiple times now, including the latest one from 8 days ago, do you even want the trade-in or just want to keep complaining?
5  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BitSyncom Im still waithing on batch 1 order how is that possible on: September 30, 2013, 01:17:57 AM
For the record, this man send me a wire FEBRUARY of 2013... FOR A BATCH 1 ORDER.
 
After he told me his order number I wondered who is paying this guy to shill me out, because I've looked into this before. Alas I looked all my records and found it.

Now I wait for for him to make a decision on wire refund / bitcoin refund.

CASE CLOSED.

Aren't you mixing this up with Anti76's sob story?

nope, Anti76 sent his wire in Jan. This is another wire made on the Feb 11, or 13th, I forgot which.

To be honest I am at fault here, but really I didn't think to check for wires that late since I gone through my 2012 wires multiple times (for anti76 and others ) and did not find his originally so I dismissed it.
6  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BitSyncom Im still waithing on batch 1 order how is that possible on: September 28, 2013, 03:17:31 AM
refund issued.
7  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BitSyncom Im still waithing on batch 1 order how is that possible on: September 28, 2013, 03:00:18 AM
For the record, this man send me a wire FEBRUARY of 2013... FOR A BATCH 1 ORDER.
 
After he told me his order number I wondered who is paying this guy to shill me out, because I've looked into this before. Alas I looked all my records and found it.

Now I wait for for him to make a decision on wire refund / bitcoin refund.

CASE CLOSED.
8  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Redhash by TAV. A new 105 Gh/s ASIC miner. IN STOCK NOW! on: September 28, 2013, 12:14:53 AM
great work guys, this is what the mining community needs.

Wow - even landed kudos from the man himself...

Why is this such a shocker, this what we wanted in the first place, and been our message since day one.
to be fair though, except reality of making few thousand units is a lot harder than making 30, I hope you guys can scale properly.
9  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Redhash by TAV. A new 105 Gh/s ASIC miner. IN STOCK NOW! on: September 28, 2013, 12:05:45 AM
great work guys, this is what the mining community needs.
10  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013 on: September 09, 2013, 08:48:14 PM
And no info about shipping of the 400,000 chips they just got...nice

 Why can't I shake this sick feeling in my stomach that the line about 400,000 chips was just another steaming pile of bullshit ?

We did mention in the last email they were already in hand, are being sent out. this email is just to address those people who still wish to get refunds even if their order is "prepare-shipping" which is the 400k+ chips.
11  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013 on: September 06, 2013, 11:04:42 PM
Alright guys, got some good news, here's the two big ones.

1. chips from wednesday arrived just fine, they are being split/packaged for shipment.
2. we are going to open refund for all orders, not just june 1st/15th or what not.

expect more detailed update via newsletter later tonight.
12  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013 on: September 01, 2013, 12:57:45 AM
Hi Yifu, sorry to keep bringing it up and I understand 74.46 BTC to you may be insignificant, but I really need this refund for my Batch 3 order 6997 which was requested through your official form.
I dont want to be lost in the cracks.

manual'd
13  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013 on: September 01, 2013, 12:40:34 AM
Maybe you could comment on the huge shipment of Avalon chips which was photographed ~2 months ago? You know, around the same time the first chips should have been shipping to your customers? http://imgur.com/a/GR0e3 original source http://www.btcman.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4621&extra=page%3D1&page=4

Let's see, 2600 chips per pack, 6 pack per box, 24 boxes. ~ 350k chips,
80 chips per module, assume 3 modules per unit, 600+ units ~ 150k chips.
plus addition 500 modules x 80 chips = 40k chips.

not to mention trade in, batch 2 left over and what ever else.

does it make sense now?


@polish importer
I only see a few hundred chips..
his words against mine, I guess the only way to find out is if you import a tens of thousand and see if he can deliver or not(hint: he can't.).

14  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013 on: September 01, 2013, 12:01:05 AM
By the way... the refund form is an invitation for scammers. Before i had read the avalon news i already had confirmation emails asking for confirmation to refund 2 of our batches to another persons Address. I have to clear this tomorrow, of course i didnt fall for this but i hope no one other does in the heat. The batch 3 miner form was better i think.

well, phishing/requests have been coming in for a long time now, but this is why I sent out a email to all the orders owners emails address to confirm the refund is indeed happening, or not.

The form says: "The order has to be made before june 15ths" So only when a batch was ordered after that date it cant be refunded yet. Luckily after the form was changed from 1st to 15ths we can refund 50000 of our 56000 chips.

Man, im tired to defend myself to people that doesnt even bother if their claims are true.

I wonder if this is exactly how Bitsyncom feels.  Don't mean to kick the hornet's nest, but there's a lot of speculation and accusation going on in this thread and others that is generally baseless as hell.  The only two gripes we REALLY have are that the chips weren't delivered on time and Yifu has been very begrudging with information on his side.  All this talk about reselling chips and making insane profits and mining with CHIPS that have to be SODERED ONTO A BOARD before they work is just that; talk.  Can we please maintain a level head in all of this?  Yifu has already stated he's looking into refunds.  That's an acknowledgement that shit went wrong and an attempt to rectify the situation.  Can all the crazy people take a break for a little while so the grownups can sort shit out please?

The thing is how Yifu handled this. First no support. I found it ok that he gives no technical support but that he stops communicating on business relationship communication at all was real stress.

Then he came up with the excuse that 20 batches are in customs since 2 weeks. But the batches were due since 5 weeks already and 20 batches are nothing. We know he ordered all batches after 5 weeks, so he knew it will take 4-5 weeks to create and get the chips. Sounds ok since he created chips before.

Then we see images of many chips. Why should they exist if there are no miners to create yet? And they exist at a time matching when our chips should be ready in an amount that could match the ordered batches? Random? And why does chinese resellers can deliver since yifu cant? If he couldnt produce so many chips he had to stop selling them.

Because of no communication someone tried to personally ask and visited the parents of an employee. Yifu was so scared that he had to stop work and start creating security? Someone mentioned he now has bodyguards. So the fact he did not communicate, no support and not even announcements lead to customers search him and the solution is to protect against his customers?

Im sick of thinking of all the errors he made. And yes, the biggest error is his communication. He denied to me to hire a support person because the team is small and will remain small. That was it for him. Is this how a business person should decide?

We dont know what happened, true. But if its not his fault then it would be so very easy to describe everything that happened and that wasnt in his might to change. But he doesnt. Im not sure what problem he has but the stress and work he put on me... i cant forget. I wont order anything from him again.

Rest of the stuff you said, I agree. We are a team of 4 people ( it'll stay that way for reasons I'll not get into for the time being.) and we will learn and grow as a team, I have no problem admitting to issue and mistakes. The only got I really got to comment on is the chinese reseller chip thing you mentioned that keeps coming up over and over. As far as I understand it, some one ordered ~2k chips from somebody in china, then a whole shit storm starts on how we have been selling chips to resellers and delaying everyone else, this simply is not true. I said before(and been ignored.) more than 50% of the chip orders originates from china. We've shipped out chips, a few hundred thousand a best so far. there is simply no resellers with volume. People keep asking for evidence on how we have NOT "sell-out" to these resellers, but where is the evidence on the fact they have chips?

Anyhow, If people think I'm trying to screw the people who ordered from 15th to the 22th of June that is just silly, and false in their assumption. Here's the new deal,

The form will extend to orders made before the 22nd, which is exatly 10 weeks. and every order after, on the date it is suppose to ship, we'll send out a email asking if a refund is desired.

While I have no problems issue refunds, compensating for delay and such, I got no patience for people complaining when their orders are not late. Not too surprisingly, the people complaining the loudest are people whose order are not late yet(so more people refund and they can get their chips earlier maybe?), and people who have no orders(standard trolls of bitcointalk).

Most people who have chip orders are much more understanding to the situation, whom are either taking refunds, or working out some sort of compensation model.  
15  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013 on: August 31, 2013, 09:28:52 PM
I think half a week late is pretty good, if chips arrives on wednesday and we send them out no?

How can you be so sleazy? Chips are not half a week late, they are 10 1/2 weeks late. You've broken your no-bullshit agreement, refund everybody who are fucked by your incompetence and keep your worthless chips to yourself. Or you can sell them on Alibaba, you seem to have mastered that distribution channel.

they are ordered on june 15th, not due june 15th... the lead time is 10 weeks, so yes, 1/2 weeks late is correct.
16  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BitSyncom Im still waithing on batch 1 order how is that possible on: August 31, 2013, 09:09:05 PM
Pff so getting my money back is out of the question  Cry Cry Cry 


currently overwhelmed, but I'll look into it, I don't have a problem with refunds if that was indeed a problem, but I do get a lot of shills that jumps on the brand wagon with batch 2 walletbit problem to request a refund for non-existing orders.

even right now, people are putting order number into that refund form for chips that does not exist, ( and in a phishing manner like consecutive order numbers, we don't use consecutive numbers for orders.)
17  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013 on: August 31, 2013, 08:59:39 PM
Yifu: exactly how are you going to compensate chip orders that are after June 1st seeing how they are already very late based on the NO BS terms of sale?

+1

June 1st is now exactly 13 weeks in the past.



form says 15th, typo in the newsletter. I think half a week late is pretty good, if chips arrives on wednesday and we send them out no? if they do not arrive we'll work out something else.

Are there any chances that those chips will not arrive and will not be sent out on Wednesday?... what percentage of a chance would you give it?  70% chance it will happen?     Sorry for all of the questions!


EDIT: And do you have anything else in mind when you say you'll work something out if they do not arrive?  have you planned for this, just in case they do not?

update timeline, give refunds to those that request it? I don't think anything changes. though, I highly doubt something will happen to it, since they are from the testing facility, it's not like I'm waiting for customs this time, but I've learn to not make promises for third parties. we'll deal with it as it happens.
18  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013 on: August 31, 2013, 08:50:41 PM
Yifu: exactly how are you going to compensate chip orders that are after June 1st seeing how they are already very late based on the NO BS terms of sale?

+1

June 1st is now exactly 13 weeks in the past.



form says 15th, typo in the newsletter. I think half a week late is pretty good, if chips arrives on wednesday and we send them out no? if they do not arrive we'll work out something else.
19  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: June 1 and before my ass Avalon REFUNDS for all. Time to write the AG for NY. on: August 31, 2013, 08:41:16 PM
what? with lead time of 8-10 weeks agreed upon ordering, some orders made after june are not even suppose to ship yet, why would we offer refund for them.

it simply says since chips are arriving, we believe we will be on time, if not, a new refund form will be made.



Yifu... Start at June 1st and count ten weeks.

I'm aware, I was commenting on him in particular, his order is made on june 24th, I'm not even behind yet.

also there's a typo, the form says 15th, which is exactly 2 and half months ago from today.
20  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: June 1 and before my ass Avalon REFUNDS for all. Time to write the AG for NY. on: August 31, 2013, 08:33:15 PM
what? with lead time of 8-10 weeks agreed upon ordering, some orders made after june are not even suppose to ship yet, why would we offer refund for them.

it simply says since chips are arriving, we believe we will be on time, if not, a new refund form will be made.

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