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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 10, 2016, 06:06:06 AM
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You are so full of shit, you have only spent time telling us why its not fair. You run a dice site, you did not come up with anything!!! you got your provably fair with copy and paste, just like the dice site idea is copy and paste. Your a joke.
How many hours have you spent on this thread and looking at our code? 10? 20? more?
The fact is you are only here to bash us, if you are soooooo great at all this how about you spent 10-20 hours researching a way to make the site provably fair?
The fact is you wont. Because your a competitor. Because you are not skilled enough to come up with anything besides copy and paste.
Oh and your claim to us not being provably fair has not been proven. (But im sure you have an excuse to why you cant prove it)
Are you mad? You seem mad. Your whole post was an insane rant full of factual errors and emotional outbursts. Serious question. Are you on your period? (Also, maybe you could try addressing some of my points - like the example I posted where you used a txid that never even appeared on the site you tell us to use to verify our plays until 10 minutes after the game was over) Nah bro im not, you mad i called you out for not knowing anything besides copy and pasting, a provably fair and the dice site idea?  I think your butt hurt about me thinking of a better outside of the box idea, then some dumb ass dice site. And your too weak to do anything besides pick apart our system with your unproven theory. Why don't you use all the time spent to tell us a better more provably fair system. You choose to spend your time looking for flaws. That to me says your just butt hurt. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 10, 2016, 02:40:31 AM
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I came up with an explanation for why I was seeing the weird results I was seeing yesterday: the site doesn't use blockchain.info at all to get its feed of new transactions on the network. Instead their run their own node, and watch have that report the most recently seen transaction when they need it. They were only telling us "you can verify by watching blockchain.info" because that is *a* way of watching the transactions, not *the* way that the site uses. They were assuming that everyone seems the same transactions in the same order with the same timing, which obviously isn't the case. And so their system is further from provably fair than I previously thought to be the case. The site can simply pretend not to have seen a transaction which gives a result they don't like, and we can't prove otherwise. He can't even do maths correctly.
I won't be surprised if he answer to you 'stop trolling' instead of a good relevant answer.
I mean, when there's 3 players in, their luck are 33.33% (which gives a total of 99.99% and cannot be 100%..) But, it's shown as 100% and they give a BONUS amount of tickets to the third player... (cheat & unfair?)
Well, to be fair there is no way of dividing an power of 10 by 3 equally. Their client-side code which calculates the ranges has a special case saying that if any range ends with 9999 then set it to be 10000: self.Participants.forEach(function (par) {
par.playerNumber = playerNumber + 1;
playerNumber += Math.round(par.percentage * 100);
playerNumber = playerNumber >= 9999 ?10000: playerNumber;
par.playerNumber += ' - ' + playerNumber;
});
You can always be the last player by being the last user to buy the smallest number of tickets. Has anyone brought up the fact that it's obviously bots playing on his site 24/7, although they seem to be denying it?
I wasn't mentioning it because although it does seem likely there's no way of proving it. Either way it seems that OP has abandoned this thread, and possibly the site too. The promised giveaway in the site's chatbox seems not to have happened, and the guy complaining in this thread about a withdrawal not happening went unanswered. Least successful scam ever?Edit: sorry, that was rude. I'm frustrated that I spent so much time on this thread trying to help and it was all for naught. Lets start with this.
I'm frustrated that I spent so much time on this thread trying to help and it was all for naught.You are so full of shit, you have only spent time telling us why its not fair. You run a dice site, you did not come up with anything!!! you got your provably fair with copy and paste, just like the dice site idea is copy and paste. Your a joke. How many hours have you spent on this thread and looking at our code? 10? 20? more? The fact is you are only here to bash us, if you are soooooo great at all this how about you spent 10-20 hours researching a way to make the site provably fair? The fact is you wont. Because your a competitor. Because you are not skilled enough to come up with anything besides copy and paste. Oh and your claim to us not being provably fair has not been proven. (But im sure you have an excuse to why you cant prove it) |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 08, 2016, 05:35:07 AM
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I'm sorry you are incorrect
Very, very foolish words man. you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.
Can you show an example please? I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased. Very, very foolish words man. Clearly you have no idea how our site works. I think you should stick to your copy and pasted dice site. Super original idea If you don't want to take interest and prove your projects or efforts are real and fair then it is more than clear that you made this thing just to make some quick bucks until you get caught but sadly it didn't took long.I also remember that bitgog' website had the same betting system and they are gone now. I have proven its provably fair this dooglus guy who runs a copy and pasted site who knows nothing about what he is talking about, is the only person claiming different. He also only talks he has never shown any proof he right. Oh an he also buys and creates other accounts. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 08, 2016, 05:30:39 AM
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you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.
Can you show an example please? I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased. Clearly you have no idea how our site works. You tell me I can verify the rolls. I ask how. You tell me I don't know how it works. So tell me! I claim it isn't possible to verify that you picked that txid fairly, but you claim it is - so how? Re. my original idea, I invented the idea of the crowd-funded bankroll which most dice sites then copied, so yes, it was very original. But that's offtopic here and only serves to further indicate that you don't know your stuff. Ok i have to point this out. I just saw a post by you saying you can 100% cheat people with your crowd-funded bankroll. So you invented one of the best scams in bitcoin gambling sites? Yes Or No? |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: Dice - Chances of rolling the above or below consecutive times
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on: January 08, 2016, 05:05:14 AM
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Anyone know the percentages on rolling Hi/Low consecutive times?
first time is 50/50 but as you keep getting the same result, the odds have to go down right? I mean i know its always 50/50 for 1 roll but how do you calculate off of multiple rolls?
Just make sure you verify every game as the owner could scam you in hopes you dont verify the game. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 08, 2016, 04:45:38 AM
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I'm sorry you are incorrect
Very, very foolish words man. you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.
Can you show an example please? I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased. Very, very foolish words man. Clearly you have no idea how our site works. I think you should stick to your copy and pasted dice site. Super original idea |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 07, 2016, 08:36:14 PM
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When the game is over i do know the players names and the total amount spent (just like all the other players) . But like you said the game is over why would that help me lol the keyword is "game is over"
When you say dumb shit like that it makes me think you are trolling. I am clearly talking about what happens at the end of the game, when you publish the results. You have the ability to select the most favourable of several outcomes without detection. I'm sorry you are incorrect, you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 07, 2016, 07:25:00 AM
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We can not know the out come. As i have said the site picks the winning number from blockchain + the client seed making it provably fair.
Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that.
Every time I point out something wrong with your site you tell me I'm trolling you and then attempt to fix it. Why do you think this time is any different? Try to understand: When the game is over, you know all the player names, the total amount spent on tickets, and have a list of all the transactions which appeared on blockchain.info in the last second. You can check the result for all of those transactions and see which of them if any makes you win. You can then claim that one was the last one you saw, and nobody can prove you're lying. Get it?
When the game is over i do know the players names and the total amount spent (just like all the other players) . But like you said the game is over why would that help me lol the keyword is "game is over"
When you say dumb shit like that it makes me think you are trolling. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 07, 2016, 06:31:49 AM
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Mr. Raffle,
I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....
Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?
In my mind yes, there is a theory someone could cheat it but it has not been proven to be true only speclaactions
I can take this one for you: no, it isn't. The last input that affects the result is "the last txid we saw at blockchain.info". We need to take the site's word on which txid they saw last. And even if they tell the truth we have no way of knowing whether the txid they use was specially selected to make a particular ticket win, either by the site or by a player. Was btc-raffle provably fair 3 days ago?
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
No it wasn't, and several people told them it wasn't. There's no excuse for them "not knowing". They just didn't want to believe it. Was btc-raffle provably fair 1 week ago?
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
As above, it wasn't and several people told them it wasn't. The PVP type gambling game has never been done before. We are learning. You all act like we want to scam you when clearly we only want to be legit.
pevpot.com is a PVP type gambling game done right. I don't know whether you are intentionally being obtuse or are just incapable of understand the concepts involved. If you want to tell us a different way of picking the winner we will use your method.
I have done. Make the result calculation take longer than the duration of the game so that nobody, not even you, can know the outcome when you select and publish the txid. We can not know the out come. As i have said the site picks the winning number from blockchain + the client seed making it provably fair. Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 07, 2016, 02:29:39 AM
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Mr. Raffle,
I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....
Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?
In my mind yes, there is a theory someone could cheat it but it has not been proven to be true only speclaactions
Was btc-raffle provably fair 3 days ago?
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
Was btc-raffle provably fair 1 week ago?
No, but we also did not know it wasn't
The PVP type gambling game has never been done before. We are learning. You all act like we want to scam you when clearly we only want to be legit.
If you want to tell us a different way of picking the winner we will use your method.
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★ ▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 06, 2016, 07:44:00 PM
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like i have been saying you can't cheat the system or they would. What they are saying is like 1 in a million chance. If they could cheat the system so easy they would just to prove the fact.
I have already listed my reasons for not stealing from your customers: 1) I'm not a thief 2) It doesn't work if the site itself is already stealing from them 3) The amounts involved are currently too small to bother with 4) With the millisecond timestamp in place only the site can cheat, not the players 5) I have no reason to prove anything to you The site can not cheat with the millisecond timestamp if we did all the members would notice. Just like your dice site people will notice if you fake the hash. Thanks for admitting no one can cheat the site, its about time you start telling the truth. If I ask you the time to the nearest millisecond but you add on 3 milliseconds to the true answer, do you think I would notice? I wouldn't. 3 milliseconds is too small a difference for anyone to notice. I don't know why you can't understand this. I did not say that "no one can cheat the site", I said "only the site can cheat, not the players". Ok we changed from milliseconds to using the players names. So there is no way for us to cheat like you are claiming we can. Enjoy |
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Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: "Provably fair" question
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on: January 06, 2016, 07:03:39 PM
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So your saying long as the hash that is used is from a block and not a transaction is ok?
Not entirely. The block reward is 25 BTC. If I'm a miner and find that a block I just mined makes me lose a 1000 BTC bet it would possibly be in my best interest to withhold that block and let someone else mine a different block. That still makes it probably fair |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★ ▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 06, 2016, 06:59:13 PM
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like i have been saying you can't cheat the system or they would. What they are saying is like 1 in a million chance. If they could cheat the system so easy they would just to prove the fact.
I have already listed my reasons for not stealing from your customers: 1) I'm not a thief 2) It doesn't work if the site itself is already stealing from them 3) The amounts involved are currently too small to bother with 4) With the millisecond timestamp in place only the site can cheat, not the players 5) I have no reason to prove anything to you The site can not cheat with the millisecond timestamp if we did all the members would notice. Just like your dice site people will notice if you fake the hash. Thanks for admitting no one can cheat the site, its about time you start telling the truth. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★ ▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 06, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
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Many companies pay good money to incentivize reporting security vulnerabilities rather than abusing them. dooglus and a bunch of others have been very patient (far more than you deserve in my opinion) and given you very detailed and precise explanations of your site's flaws without demanding anything in return. And now here you are actually complaining that they came to you instead of trying to steal from your customers. This is just precious.
like i have been saying you can't cheat the system or they would. What they are saying is like 1 in a million chance. If they could cheat the system so easy they would just to prove the fact. |
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Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★ ▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐
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on: January 06, 2016, 08:01:50 AM
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Could you explain in detail the steps for us to cheat? as you said we are picking the client seed so unpredictably?
1. buy a ticket 2. wait for the game to end 3. check if you win if you use the current time in milliseconds as the client seed 4. if you do, go ahead and win, else add 1 millisecond to the time and go back to step 3 Doing this you win every time. Sometimes you will use a timestamp that is 10 milliseconds later than the actual end time. That's 1/100th of a second. Nobody will notice. I think the issue is like you said your connection is extremely slow, you are seeing the site not how everyone else is seeing it. Because soon as the game ends the winner is picked, there is no way to go back to step 3 Steps 3 and 4 can run in a tight loop on your server in a tiny fraction of a second. Nobody will see it happening. It's not about my connection speed. When you said"
1) I wouldn't be cheating you, I would be cheating your customers. You still get your 1% cut. It's rude of you to invite us to try to cheat your customers.
I thought you wanted to help the community? wouldn't you be helping them by proving your theory is right?
Everybody who is following this thread already understands what I am saying and sees that I am right. You have some kind of a blind spot and can't or won't see it. I don't need to steal from your customers to prove that what I am saying is right. The fact is your claims have not been proven, i have asked you to prove what your saying, but you have failed to do so.
I have given more than enough information for any reasonably intelligent reader to see why your game isn't provably fair. There is no burden of proof upon me here. You are no different then the house, if you think you can cheat the system then DO IT.
I am very different than the house. I don't get to pick which txid to use, or which particular millisecond to claim the game ended during. Once you have done that then you can say its not provably fair.
I can say it already, and have done. Many times. You don't understand, and I get that. I don't think you ever will. I think you should really find something else to do, or at least find somebody qualified to take care of the technical aspects of your site. Or like i have asked before tell us some other way if you are so experienced in this field.
I don't think I can help you any more than I already have done. I'm sorry. Find your smartest techy friend. Sit down with them and have them go through both threads with you. Have them explain everything to you and make sure you understand it. For sure you connection is causing issues on your end. Did you watch the youtube video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RTjeQbHtDk&feature=youtu.bePlease let me know. Everybody who is following this thread already understands what I am saying and sees that I am right. You have some kind of a blind spot and can't or won't see it. I don't need to steal from your customers to prove that what I am saying is right. How is that a reply? i will ask you again. When you said" 1) I wouldn't be cheating you, I would be cheating your customers. You still get your 1% cut. It's rude of you to invite us to try to cheat your customers. I though you wanted to help the community? wouldn't you be helping them by proving your theory is right? I have given more than enough information for any reasonably intelligent reader to see why your game isn't provably fair. There is no burden of proof upon me here.Thanks looks like you really care about "helping the community" like you said before. I am very different than the house. I don't get to pick which txid to use, or which particular millisecond to claim the game ended during. You can verify each millisecond and txid to make sure it's legit. I can say it already, and have done. Many times. You don't understand, and I get that. I don't think you ever will. I think you should really find something else to do, or at least find somebody qualified to take care of the technical aspects of your site. You have really only speculated if we broadcast a txid it would help us using a house account to win the pot. The fact is still the winning millisecond + the winning txid would have to be known. i see what your saying we could know the outcome. But you would have to make a real bitcoin transaction (costing $0.04), and generate the txid that would make our house account win, all this would have to be within seconds. Everyone is free to check every txid used. It does not make any sense to do all this, hope to get lucky and the txid is broadcasted at the exact second we want it to. What if someone buys a ticket at the last second, resets the clock, now we need to do another $0.04 fee to rig it? to do all that, atleast at the time being when the average profit is less then a transaction fee it makes no sense to rig it. So maybe you can be less hostile.
I don't think I can help you any more than I already have done. I'm sorry. Find your smartest techy friend. Sit down with them and have them go through both threads with you. Have them explain everything to you and make sure you understand it.See your not here to help anyone your hear to make other people look bad. Why not just simply say how we should pick the winner and we will use your method. I thought you were the expert on this? |
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Other / Off-topic / Fake SEO service phone call
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on: January 06, 2016, 06:17:31 AM
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So today i got a call from some random person, they offered me to pay them and my website will be ranked #1 on google.
Our conversation:
Me: How can you do that?
Them: With SEO
Me: offsite or onsite?
Them: What do you mean?
Me: do you do onsite or offsite?
Them: do you know SEO or something?
Me: yes i know the jist of it. Do you just do backlinks, social media, etc?
Then he hung up, i tried to call back but the number just kept asking me over and over if i want to be removed from the call list. No option to talk to anyone.
I just want to warn people about calls like this.
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