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881  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum SCAM? on: July 16, 2020, 01:27:11 PM
I'm surprised with your question. Ethereum is not scam. There may be negative news about ethereum because of scam projects and hyip using ethereum. It's better if you trade on top exchange and investing on legit projects to avoid scam. There are always risks, so make wise decisions.

Smart Contracts (LN) / Mixers / DeFi

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/71604/darknet-use-of-bitcoin-mixers-surged-in-2020s-first-quarter-report

https://decrypt.co/35532/sec-killed-icos-defi-could-be-next



882  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: July 16, 2020, 01:22:44 PM
Der Twitter Hack zeigt bis jetzt nur eine kleine Wirkung
Hoffen wir mal das legt sich bald wieder, denn das Google Suchvolumen "Bitcoin" ist enorm gestiegen

Hier gibts besseres

Memo, Twetch, und ganz neu: powping

883  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 16, 2020, 01:05:13 PM
jbreher likes to pump them up too, I wonder why that is?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  He might want to chime his picnic bear ass into the mix, as well.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

He tends to support centralization and trusted third partys for some unknown reason.
Makes me wonder sometimes why he supports bitcoin?

Examples would be helpful in buttressing your claim.

You support Coinbase and BSV, do I really need to add anything more than that?

Yes, you do. Coinbase as opposed to what? Binance? BitFinex?

BSV as opposed to what? BTC? From a fundamental analysis they are exactly as centralized as each other.

Kraken and Gemini

In what manner are Kraken or Gemini more decentralized than Coinbase?

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Why do BSvers always try to redefine the definition of decentralization? Are there no arguments you can come up with that don't require redefining meaning of words?

What the fuck are you babbling about now? As you seem to be accusing me of redefining 'decentralization', perhaps you might be so kind as to provide me with your personal definition thereof.

Umm the decentralized part was referring to BTC vs your scamcoin, and not the exchanges. The exchanges were suggested as alternatives to Coinbase, seems like everyone got that part except for you.

Still waiting for your:
1) explanation of how Coinbase suffers more as being a trusted third party than is Kraken or Gemini; and
2) personal definition of 'decentralization', so we may continue this discussion in a rational manner.

Wow.   Maybe we should have a poll on the topic jbreher?

Knock yourself out, though I don't see the relevance.

You summoned me indicating I like to 'support' coinbase.
Hueristic suggested it is because i like centralization and trusted third parties.
I pointed out that Hueristic's assertion was without merit.
Hueristic doubled down by conflating BSV with Coinbase.
I asked for an elaboration, as all exchanges are by definition centralized third parties, and that the BTC and BCH protocols are exactly as centralized as each other.
DaRude butted in in his/her typical clueless manner with 1) 'Kraken and Gemini', seemingly utterly ignorant of the fact that both these are also centralized trusted third parties; and 2) piled on implying I was changing the definition of decentralization.
I responded 1) asking how Kraken or Gemini are less centralized than Coinbase; and 2) asked for his/her definition of 'decentralization'.
DaRude then totally whiffed an answer, addressing neither of the points in discussion.
I responded pointing out that DaRude has addressed exactly zero of the points in discussion.
And full circle, you wade back in with irrelevancy about some poll.

That about sum it up? Yup, shore duz.

So after all that, to the point of you summoning me: yes, for my purposes, Coinbase is the proper exchange for me. Yes, it is a centralized trusted third party. AS IS EVERY FUCKING OTHER EXCHANGE.

As to the other topic somehow conflated in with the other. Yes, I understand that a good lot of you ascribe to the dogma that lotsa lotsa non-mining fully-validating clients equates to MOAR DECENTRALIZATION. Regardless of the relative amount of decentralization on any of a large number of other axes. And that lotsa lotsa minus one means that the entire system is in peril. You are of course wrong on both counts, but I get that all y'all think so. My point here is not to argue about that. It is to point out that your measure of centralization has fuck-all to do with any technical aspect of the coin/chain/client/code. It merely reflects the preferences of the market at this point in time, which is nothing more than the individual personal preferences of scads of individuals within the marketplace at this point in time.

Y'all are acting high and mighty about a state that is not due to anything fundamental, but rather due to collective whimsy.

So now that ONCE AGAIN, I have been incrementally goaded into stating my position AGAIN, lest idiots be allowed to put words in my mouth, are ya happy?

Didn't think so.

You did not need to restate your nonsense spin position, again.  You could have just sat back and said nothing.

Your whole rendition makes little sense, and I had already read some of the responses that your as spinning to be the bad guys.

In sum, no one seems to be disingenuous here, except you, in terms of attempting to have genuine conversations about the topic of decentralization or making comparisons between exchanges. 

So, on the topic of exchanges, you are trying to suggest all exchanges are equally fucked up, when that is not true.  Kraken and Gemini have not been accused of engaging in anything close to the same level of shenanigans as Coinbase... whether you deceptively attempt to reframe that as a question of level of centralization or decentralization or not.

And, on the topic of comparing bitcoin and the various bcashes, largely your favorite shitcoin BSV, the overwhelming majority of members participating in this thread already know that Bsv (or bcash sv) is a flaming bundle of scams, and since you ongoingly support such scam project, you ongoingly engage in attempts to equate it to bitcoin in various ways.  Sure you might mislead and deceive a few newbies, so the various responses to your ongoing nonsense is not to convince your ongoingly scheming, twisting and deceiving ass, but instead perhaps to help some newbies from getting overly mislead by your ongoing nonsensical assertions whether you are making coin comparisons or exchange comparisons, in this particular example... or your historical BIG block support nonsense.. which continues to be one of your beloved shitcoin BSV talking points.

.. so there is no way just to solve such with big blogs - never

only with BIG BLOCKS

 Grin
884  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 16, 2020, 12:59:57 PM
3 years ago: crashed to $1830.


3 years ago : jumped to nearly 20K

Funny extrapolating through 2 points - that's how you trick noobs into ?

Who can predict in a speculative game ?

 Roll Eyes

Dont invest into things you dont understand

Big words from a shitcoin promoter who has negative trust ratings for promoting Bitcoin Cash and for illegally giving fake legal/tax advice. GTFO of our thread.

Incorrect

I promote to do own research on BitCoin

But I didn't expect you to get that first place

 Roll Eyes
885  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 16, 2020, 08:47:15 AM
3 years ago: crashed to $1830.


3 years ago : jumped to nearly 20K

Funny extrapolating through 2 points - that's how you trick noobs into ?

Who can predict in a speculative game ?

 Roll Eyes

Dont invest into things you dont understand
886  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 11, 2020, 06:27:05 PM
Hv dont even know what bitcoin is LOL

I know.

But many are mixing coins - lagally not compliant

Mixing code - not compliant to specs and code definitions

And mixing also tickes for Bitcoin

And more crap from that space

https://youtu.be/YfM09W9KU5I

No coinbase ico - cause not complaint



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction

Ugh we gonna do this again, no one cares about your NewWorldOrder, controlled by US legal system, coin. And it's even more moronic to think that it can be forced onto the internet through some lawsuits.


Until ... ? U wanna change rules ?  Apes helped a lot last million years to get you where you are

Including such rules you hate, cause you don't get more than others?

Lol

If you gonna shill try using full sentences. You do realize that there are other countries outside of US right? I'm not in US why should i give a fuck about your silly rules?



You want to create NewWorldOrder BSv coin, go for it, just stop fooling yourself that you can force everyone on the internet to accept it. Look up Streisand effect, napster, etc... to see how such things worked out before

More lol,

Any of those baby examples happened NOT in most regulated regimes.

You play financial markets now?

So learn the rules. Potentially the hard way soon

Nothing to do with any ticker or tech btw
887  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: July 11, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
Make pure Bitcoin most scalable, most user friendly, most accessible to the world is the most valuable project ever.

Everyone should have the right to directly interact and get txs published onchain.

Forcing ppl off chain is off human

Not more to say here ( few text is cool to read, better than walls of text that s just distracting any argument)
888  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ICO SCAM on: July 11, 2020, 05:03:25 PM
2020 is a bad year for altcoins, so you don't need to focus on investing in new projects. Just buy the top altcoins in this market because their prices have dropped many times. This is when you should fill your pocket with the best altcoins
2019-2020 is exactly the same as altcoin with a new project. Nothing is better than the old project. They don't last long because there are less enthusiasts from the exchange, so their altcoin doesn't have volume in trading, and that too much has happened, so I think it's not right to invest now. in altcoin.
For now, we should only focus on bitcoin. Only bitcoin is exaggerated and profitable for investors, if investing in altcoins, it will surely be a long-term investment.

Sure, so,watch out for un-altered code base
889  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 11, 2020, 04:58:35 PM
Hv dont even know what bitcoin is LOL

I know.

But many are mixing coins - lagally not compliant

Mixing code - not compliant to specs and code definitions

And mixing also tickes for Bitcoin

And more crap from that space

https://youtu.be/YfM09W9KU5I

No coinbase ico - cause not complaint



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction

Ugh we gonna do this again, no one cares about your NewWorldOrder, controlled by US legal system, coin. And it's even more moronic to think that it can be forced onto the internet through some lawsuits.


Until ... ? U wanna change rules ?  Apes helped a lot last million years to get you where you are

Including such rules you hate, cause you don't get more than others?

Lol
890  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 11, 2020, 10:34:15 AM
Hv dont even know what bitcoin is LOL

I know.

But many are mixing coins - lagally not compliant

Mixing code - not compliant to specs and code definitions

And mixing also tickes for Bitcoin

And more crap from that space

https://youtu.be/YfM09W9KU5I

No coinbase ico - cause not complaint
891  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 11, 2020, 08:01:55 AM
jbreher likes to pump them up too, I wonder why that is?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  He might want to chime his picnic bear ass into the mix, as well.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

He tends to support centralization and trusted third partys for some unknown reason.
Makes me wonder sometimes why he supports bitcoin?

Examples would be helpful in buttressing your claim.

You support Coinbase and BSV, do I really need to add anything more than that?

Yeap, coinbase just wanna dilute Bitcoin.. drop that

 Grin
892  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum SCAM? on: July 11, 2020, 07:59:37 AM
...fundamentals...
Volumes very low last 2 years, Vtalik+Fondation still have billions of unsold ETH

Shure, and thats why staking d be the ultimate thing. But not for the average Joes, sorry
893  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: -- The Riddle of the Twin Brothers - Who Were, Are and Will Rule the World! on: July 11, 2020, 07:54:36 AM


Pictured: This thread

It’s more like a handoff not some deceptive sock scheme.  Don’t know, feels like about that time.  


There are only 2 sides.  Freedom V Tyranny  Wink

Rules V Anarchy

Unbounded V Bounded

Capital V Bankrupt

https://unboundedcapital.com/blog/why-we-think-craig-wright-is-satoshi-and-why-that-matters


Nice socks btw - Satoshi loves the red ones

 Grin

The red IX socks?   Grin Grin

We’ll order him some.  What size?  


I m sure size IX fits them all

- thinking of

I Phone
I Pad
I X


 Cheesy
894  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: -- The Riddle of the Twin Brothers - Who Were, Are and Will Rule the World! on: July 10, 2020, 02:29:02 PM


Pictured: This thread

It’s more like a handoff not some deceptive sock scheme.  Don’t know, feels like about that time.  


There are only 2 sides.  Freedom V Tyranny  Wink

Rules V Anarchy

Unbounded V Bounded

Capital V Bankrupt

https://unboundedcapital.com/blog/why-we-think-craig-wright-is-satoshi-and-why-that-matters


Nice socks btw - Satoshi loves the red ones

 Grin
895  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: July 09, 2020, 05:52:11 AM
hey it's been a while since I've come to visit.

my question is this, knowing that:

about Secp256k1

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This is a graph of secp256k1's elliptic curve y2 = x3 + 7 over the real numbers. Note that because secp256k1 is actually defined over the field Zp, its graph will in reality look like random scattered points, not anything like this.

secp256k1 refers to the parameters of the elliptic curve used in Bitcoin's public-key cryptography, and is defined in Standards for Efficient Cryptography (SEC) (Certicom Research, http://www.secg.org/sec2-v2.pdf). Currently Bitcoin uses secp256k1 with the ECDSA algorithm, though the same curve with the same public/private keys can be used in some other algorithms such as Schnorr.

secp256k1 was almost never used before Bitcoin became popular, but it is now gaining in popularity due to its several nice properties. Most commonly-used curves have a random structure, but secp256k1 was constructed in a special non-random way which allows for especially efficient computation. As a result, it is often more than 30% faster than other curves if the implementation is sufficiently optimized. Also, unlike the popular NIST curves, secp256k1's constants were selected in a predictable way, which significantly reduces the possibility that the curve's creator inserted any sort of backdoor into the curve.

Technical details
As excerpted from Standards:

The elliptic curve domain parameters over Fp associated with a Koblitz curve secp256k1 are specified by the sextuple T = (p,a,b,G,n,h) where the finite field Fp is defined by:

p = FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFE FFFFFC2F
= 2256 - 232 - 29 - 28 - 27 - 26 - 24 - 1
The curve E: y2 = x3+ax+b over Fp is defined by:

a = 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
b = 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000007
The base point G in compressed form is:

G = 02 79BE667E F9DCBBAC 55A06295 CE870B07 029BFCDB 2DCE28D9 59F2815B 16F81798
and in uncompressed form is:

G = 04 79BE667E F9DCBBAC 55A06295 CE870B07 029BFCDB 2DCE28D9 59F2815B 16F81798 483ADA77 26A3C465 5DA4FBFC 0E1108A8 FD17B448 A6855419 9C47D08F FB10D4B8
Finally the order n of G and the cofactor are:

n = FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFE BAAEDCE6 AF48A03B BFD25E8C D0364141
h = 01
Properties
secp256k1 has characteristic p, it is defined over the prime field ℤp. Some other curves in common use have characteristic 2, and are defined over a binary Galois field GF(2n), but secp256k1 is not one of them.
As the a constant is zero, the ax term in the curve equation is always zero, hence the curve equation becomes y2 = x3 + 7.


Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm or ECDSA is a cryptographic algorithm used by Bitcoin to ensure that funds can only be spent by their rightful owners.

A few concepts related to ECDSA:

private key: A secret number, known only to the person that generated it. A private key is essentially a randomly generated number. In Bitcoin, someone with the private key that corresponds to funds on the block chain can spend the funds. In Bitcoin, a private key is a single unsigned 256 bit integer (32 bytes).
public key: A number that corresponds to a private key, but does not need to be kept secret. A public key can be calculated from a private key, but not vice versa. A public key can be used to determine if a signature is genuine (in other words, produced with the proper key) without requiring the private key to be divulged. In Bitcoin, public keys are either compressed or uncompressed. Compressed public keys are 33 bytes, consisting of a prefix either 0x02 or 0x03, and a 256-bit integer called x. The older uncompressed keys are 65 bytes, consisting of constant prefix (0x04), followed by two 256-bit integers called x and y (2 * 32 bytes). The prefix of a compressed key allows for the y value to be derived from the x value.
signature: A number that proves that a signing operation took place. A signature is mathematically generated from a hash of something to be signed, plus a private key. The signature itself is two numbers known as r and s. With the public key, a mathematical algorithm can be used on the signature to determine that it was originally produced from the hash and the private key, without needing to know the private key. Resulting signatures are either 73, 72, or 71 bytes long (with approximate probabilities of 25%, 50%, and 25%, respectively--although sizes even smaller than that are possible with exponentially decreasing probability).

How do we know there isn't a back door in the elliptic curve to open "architect" access and why?

The chance exists - but estimate for your own

next: don't store big bounties on single adresses
896  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: IRS seeks info on tracing privacy coins, LN transactions for pilot program on: July 08, 2020, 06:37:29 PM
More tracking to come

https://www.coindesk.com/fatf-plans-to-strengthen-global-supervisory-framework-for-crypto-exchanges
897  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: July 08, 2020, 06:09:08 PM
Vielleicht kann der werte Herr Lipp hier etwas über den Inhalt des Interviews erzählen
Kann er.
Aus gewöhnlich gut informierter Quelle ist mir nämlich zu Ohren gekommen, dass Herr Lipp tatsächlich Spiegel-Abonnent ist, und gerne für diesen "Müll" zahlt Wink

Der Artikel an sich ist natürlich nicht besonders spannend für den erfahrenen bitcointalker, insofern ist da inhaltlich nicht viel zu berichten.
Coinspondent Friedemann Brenneis schreibt ja seit einiger Zeit für den Spiegel immer mal wieder den einen oder anderen Bitcoin-Artikel, der sich für gewöhnlich eher an die "breite Masse" richtet, und entsprechend oberflächlich bleiben muss.

Eingangs erwähnter Herr Lipp äußert sich jedenfalls dahingehend pessimistisch, ob die Politik in Merkels Neuland besonders erfolgreich war in Bezug auf die Etablierung von Deutschland als Standort für Bitcoin.
Kurz zusammengefasst: nö.
Friedemann erwähnt dann die historisch zunächst bevorzugte Situation Deutschlands, insbesondere in Berlin, hier kommt der room77 zu seiner unvermeidlichen Erwähnung, um schließlich den Kern der Sache treffend zu beschreiben: die BaFIN hat's verbockt.

Wie immer bieten den höchsten Unterhaltungswert bei Spiegel-Online-Artikeln zu Bitcoin die Kommentare:
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Bitcoins sind in Wirklich auch kein Geld, sondern eine Betrugsmasche.
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Früher sind das Glasmurmeln gewesen oder Tulpen oder Biberfelle.
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Die angeblich große Nachfrage nach Bitcoins ist nicht vorhanden, sondern vorgetäuscht.
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In der Summe wird mit Bitcoin oder jeder anderen Cryptowährung nie "Geld verdient" sondern immer nur umverteilt.

Von denen, die hoffen, zu denen, die abzocken.
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Kaufe ich Bitcoin (oder eine der anderern virtuellen "Währungen") kann ich auch gleich Monopoly-Scheine in grossem Stil kaufen.
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Bitcoins sind sind die Spielzeuge irgendwelcher Nerds, die den ganzen Tag im Stuhl sitzen und Viatamin D-Mangel haben. Ihnen wird keinerlei Währung nutzen, weder Echt-Geld noch Formel-Geld, weil sie sehr früh sterben werden.
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Experten machen einen weiten Bogen um Bitcoins. Nur die Halbwissenden, also die Möchtegernnerds, beschäftigen sich damit.
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Und welchen Zweck soll die Begrenzung auf ca 24 Mio (ich kenne die genaue Zahl nicht) Bitcoin haben?
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Was soll dieser Artikel über Bitcoin? Kein legales Unternehmen wird in Bitcoin Geschäfte abwickeln.
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Wer braucht diese "Waehrung" wirklich? Ist doch nur ein weiteres, nutzlos Energie verschlingendes Zockerumfeld mit dem die Realwirtschaft in Gefahr gebracht wird.
Haters gonna hate. Cool

Danke, reicht

Nix Neues im Westen

 Cheesy
898  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: July 08, 2020, 12:53:21 PM
Was n das hier wieder ?

https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/warum-bitcoin-in-deutschland-nicht-durchstartet-a-2f3b0fc4-85eb-4856-8c7f-b2ba71b99c55

Den Müll zahl ich doch nicht Wink
899  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 06, 2020, 08:23:08 PM
@Bitcoinandboyz
Average Home in 1940 was $3,920.00
Average Home in 2018 was $218,000

This is Fiat Inflation - Loss of Purchase Power

Average Home in 2014 was 438.79 BTC
Average Home in 2019 was 43.83 BTC

This is #Bitcoin  Deflation - Increase of Purchase Power
https://twitter.com/bitcoinandboyz/status/1279940306524352520?s=21

100y stats on fiat is poor

True

But btc stats on 5 y is no science yet
900  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: July 06, 2020, 08:15:24 PM
More real world use incoming

https://coingeek.com/heres-how-predict-ecology-will-use-bsv-wallet-metastreme/

BitCoin is a machine
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