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1  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Can Gain 100% In 2020 - Halving Not Priced In, Says Fundstrat on: January 19, 2020, 04:21:47 PM
Oh isn't that crazy, a guy who owns a lot of Bitcoin thinks that the price of bitcoin is going to go up? Oh, also his clients own a lot of bitcoin so it makes the most sense for them to want this coin to keep moving up.

This is like asking someone who owns a lot of a particular stock, if they think their stock is going to go up. Obviously they're going to say yes, that's what they own it. They can try to back it up with whatever kind of bullshit they want, but it doesn't do anything.

All of this can go up down or sideways, we don't know what way it's going to go and if someone did know the future they'd be all in at this point (or waiting for the time to strike)
2  Economy / Economics / Re: Stance on bitcoin's effect towards the Global Economy on: January 19, 2020, 04:01:45 PM
I have said this before, and I will say it again, the existence of bitcoin or crypto alone won't help a failing economy. Nonetheless, given how the whole World is going through a recession for years now, and also living in widespread ignorance that recession isn't here yet, rather, its coming in the near future. The World is at its brink of an economic collapse, the global debt is increasing by the day, AND we are, or at least we were almost on the verge of another World War, and 2020 just hasn't gotten to a very solid start people were expecting.

With that said, I wanna hear constructive opinions/predictions/speculations, on how things are gonna end up by the end of this year, and this decade. How is the GDP gonna get affected by everything happening, how are countries going to survive recession, and what is to say that we won't suffer through the Great Depression Phase 2? And most importantly, how is crypto going to come out of this?  

Edit: I forgot to self-mod this topic, so if you spam, I will report you, and get the post deleted.

Where'd you get the info on the world being in a recession for years now? If you're talking about our debt, and things like that that's one thing, but the economy is growing and isn't in a recession right now.

Recession (Defined by Google) - a period of temporary economic decline during which trade and industrial activity are reduced, generally identified by a fall in GDP in two successive quarters.

People are always going to be talking about another recession when one happens. We've heard that another recession is coming for every year since 2008, and we're now in 2020 and there are no signs of a recession. The only talking points among people who think one is coming point to the China Trade Deal, other trade deal issues, etc.

Literally for the past 12 years, people have been hitting the alarm bells and saying that the RECESSION IS COMING and how you should pull your money out of your investments and such, people don't understand that in the traditional investments of stocks and bonds and all that you're going to be unable to time the market. Though I must say, a lot of this comes from my interest in traditional banking as well, so yeah.

But I do think that Crypto is going to be a force, but it's going to have to make itself EASY for people. The fiat on ramps have to be easy to work with, people have to have wallets that aren't hard to use, there has to be a USECASE for them, and things along those lines. We can't all just be speculating on Crypto going up, that doesn't help anyone and it doesn't improve adoption.
3  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Binance dex has no volume on: January 19, 2020, 07:18:17 AM
the problem isn't with Binance DEX not having volume, it is with the shitcoin itself that you are bag holding. that coin has no volume because it is garbage and it is not currently being pumped so there is no reason for anyone to trade it hence the low volume.
if you look at any other market where it is listed you can see it also has no volume anywhere else either: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/canyacoin/

while the rest of the crypto market explodes with green altcoins everywhere
not really!
things like like always, a handful of shitcoins are getting pumped then they will be dumped in a day or two and another handful of shitcoins start pumping in their place.

Yeah but why blame the shitcoin when you're able to blame some other party, like the Binance DEX. Doesn't that sound much easier /s

This is such a shitcoin too damn, $56 in volume over the past 24 hours. Couldn't tell you why people think that these coins are the best investment for them, if they would've just held BTC,ETH, or whatever throughout the course of the past year or so they would've made good money.

But just to entertain the idea for a second, typically DEX's would have less volume then other exchanges.
4  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin to Precious Metals Companies on: January 19, 2020, 07:10:34 AM
Just to ask here, are you talking about physical gold or digital gold (backed by physical gold)

If physical gold --> https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/buy-gold/bitcoin/ -- Pretty solid list of companies that accept BTC (and other cryptos) for precious metals purchases.

If digital gold --> I'd proceed with caution, though PAX GOLD does seem like one of the more legitimate players in the market.
5  Economy / Services / Re: [1-4 SLOTS OPEN] ChipMixer Signature Campaign | Sr Member+ | Up to 0.0375 BTC/w on: January 19, 2020, 07:07:47 AM
Username: squatz1
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LETS GET THE PARTY STARTED BOYS AND GALS! Thanks for the chance and goodluck to everyone here, this is going to be interesting.

I'm pretty active in the P&S section, though I'm going into other sections more and more now. Merit source in that section.
6  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: So I created a Trading bot and it's doing 8% a month on: January 17, 2020, 05:01:58 PM
What I do add value to is seeing trusted/well known people praise a service.
I doubt any trusted/well known forum member would put his reputation in line and praise a service that can work today perfectly and make everyone go negative tomorrow.People just need to be aware of the risks before entrusting their funds to a third-party, but that's just my opinion.


Question for @OP, do you take a fee from people's profit made from your bot? If no,what is your business model? How you benefit from people using your bot?

Yes I take 1%, but not from your profit, from the total profit so when we make 9% in a month I make it 8% for everyone.

Good question, thank you!

I'm just doing to come in and join all of the YoBit spammers in shitting all over this.

You're not making 9 percent a month, something like that would be unsustainable. If you were able to make this sort of money, consistentley and without a good deal of risk you wouldn't be sharing it with other people. This is either an investment bot that you got lucky with a few times and now you think it's your golden goose, or you're just starting a literal ponzi scheme.

Just to further on this, if you were able to make 9 percent a month that would be annualized to about 151 percent per year. Yet again I stress that you'd be managing the money of the billionaires if this was legitimate (which it isn't) This is bullshit, and you're a scammer.

Reported. Please don't fall for this folks.

Thanks for the opinion, I started 6 months ago, definitely will manage that kind of money in the future, thanks for the heads up

If you don't mind me asking, how much money do you have under management right about now? Is that something you'd be at liberty to answer?

Anyway you can provide your first trades from 6 months ago so we can audit the 8 percent a month claim. I'd love to see all of this, and you'd be able to show that you're legitimate -- which at the moment this looks pretty bad.
7  Economy / Economics / Re: New Hampshire bill to allow taxes to be paid in Bitcoin falls short on: January 17, 2020, 04:29:50 PM
While it does make sense in our mind to spend some resources on it. I still don't understand this from a government point of view. What do they gain from it? People are going to be paying their taxes either way, they don't have a choice, it's not like they're opening a new market or gaining new consumers of a product -- they tax people regardless of if they use bitcoin or not.

It sounds great in principle to all of this, but it's really a good deal of wasting resources and stuff when it comes down to the fact that people are going to be paying either way and have the ability to pay from a bank account / debit card / credit card (maybe in some areas)

It reduces friction. It's possible a few people might cough up where they might not have with the extra ball ache of returning to USD. Again it depends on the type of tax. I can well believe tons of people try to dodge capital gains. You can't really escape property taxes.

I mean when it comes to the 10 businesses using it, they're going to be paying things like sales tax, corporate tax, payroll taxes, etc. I'm assuming the only things the state allows them to pay in bitcoin is going to be (if there is corporate tax in the state of Ohio, then corporate tax) and state sales tax. The rest wouldn't work.

Sales tax is pretty simple -- cause all you're doing is remitting the money that you collected from purchases on a daily basis.

Corporate Tax is where you COULD (not legally) fudge the numbers.

Will it reduce the friction? Yes, that's without a doubt tree for the small amount of companies that deal in crypto. Is it worth it for the government to spend these resources? I don't think so, as people are going to have to pay these taxes either way.

I'd love to see it happen, I just don't see the pros for the other side.
8  Economy / Economics / Re: New Hampshire bill to allow taxes to be paid in Bitcoin falls short on: January 17, 2020, 04:05:01 PM
But unfortunately, people were given the option, decided they didn't want to bother using it. The Ohio people decided it was too expensive to maintain a system that no-one is using. And New Hampshire looked at their experience and decided not to bother either.

You see a similar story with ecommerce. A business enables bitcoin. No-one uses it, but it's a hassle to maintain the wallets or maintain the upgrades demanded by the payment processors. And when the costs exceed the benefits, it gets removed.

The biggest problem with bitcoin is the community. People talk about how lovely it would be to have this that and the other, but never actually support anything with use.

I get where they're coming from. It's stupid to keep a portal open that is totally ignored. But there is an element of if you build it, they will come.

However it's a bit like merchant adoption or its use as a currency, people got it the wrong way around. Those'll be the last elements to arrive, not the first. Merchant adoption probably peaked in 2014 and has been going gradually downhill ever since.

Before earning and spending becomes commonplace it needs to settle in the store of value phase. Right now it's still pure betting and it's understandable why people don't want to give up their bet for bread and butter stuff.

The tricky part is the actual demand may arrive someday with nothing in place to serve it as all of it was abandoned years ago

While it does make sense in our mind to spend some resources on it. I still don't understand this from a government point of view. What do they gain from it? People are going to be paying their taxes either way, they don't have a choice, it's not like they're opening a new market or gaining new consumers of a product -- they tax people regardless of if they use bitcoin or not.

It sounds great in principle to all of this, but it's really a good deal of wasting resources and stuff when it comes down to the fact that people are going to be paying either way and have the ability to pay from a bank account / debit card / credit card (maybe in some areas)
9  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump Tied Soleimani Hit To Support From GOP Hawks Ahead Of Impeachment Trial on: January 17, 2020, 04:01:08 PM
While I do not trust the Huff Post and those other networks, it is true indeed that he would have only been able to do this with the support of those "hawks". I would still say it was justified though, considering Soleimani was actually in Iraq for the sole purpose of causing unrest.

I think basically what happened was the hawks were already bloodthirsty and then the Iraq attack happened. So Trump ordered the hit and they allowed him to. I don't believe this is related to the impeachment, since causing a new war could ruin his chance of winning.

While this is something that could've been true. I highly doubt that Trump would've been able to convince military generals to go alongside this if they thought it was just a political hit. Soleimani was someone who killed Americans, and was most likely planning the death of many more Americans. Pretty sure this is what was going on.

Trump had caught wind of all of this after Iran had killed a US contractor.

While yes, at the end of the day Trump gets a political win from this. But first and foremost this is a military and strategic win.
10  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: So I created a Trading bot and it's doing 8% a month on: January 17, 2020, 03:39:06 PM
What I do add value to is seeing trusted/well known people praise a service.
I doubt any trusted/well known forum member would put his reputation in line and praise a service that can work today perfectly and make everyone go negative tomorrow.People just need to be aware of the risks before entrusting their funds to a third-party, but that's just my opinion.


Question for @OP, do you take a fee from people's profit made from your bot? If no,what is your business model? How you benefit from people using your bot?

Yes I take 1%, but not from your profit, from the total profit so when we make 9% in a month I make it 8% for everyone.

Good question, thank you!

I'm just doing to come in and join all of the YoBit spammers in shitting all over this.

You're not making 9 percent a month, something like that would be unsustainable. If you were able to make this sort of money, consistentley and without a good deal of risk you wouldn't be sharing it with other people. This is either an investment bot that you got lucky with a few times and now you think it's your golden goose, or you're just starting a literal ponzi scheme.

Just to further on this, if you were able to make 9 percent a month that would be annualized to about 151 percent per year. Yet again I stress that you'd be managing the money of the billionaires if this was legitimate (which it isn't) This is bullshit, and you're a scammer.

Reported. Please don't fall for this folks.
11  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cryptocurrency and Society on: January 17, 2020, 02:49:20 PM
See that is the reason that a good deal of us got into Crypto, because we hated the antiquated system. We hated the fact that the governments control monetary policy and that they use it to overspend and put us into a large amount of debt. They work alongside the bankers to make them money, but they never care about the little guy. All the care about is getting reelected, and all you have to do for that is to either spend more to stimulate the economy or to cut taxes. (Typically, they don't cut taxes)

But the thing about the government giving up this is control is that I don't think it's going to happen as easily as we all talk about it. I've been in the space for a few years now, and people say the same thing about crypto taking over the monetary policy of the government and that it's going to happen every day now.

Right now we have to focus on building, making crypto easier for the people and making the fiat on ramps easier for the people. It shouldn't be so hard to get into crypto, and once you have it it shouldn't just be a speculative asset -- it should be something you should be able to use all the time. I can think of tons of merchants who would be ready to use it (if people did use Bitcoin) because a fee of less then 2 percent to convert it back to USD is much better then dealing with the credit card 2 percent fee, then another merchant fee, then chargebacks, etc.

Crypto can really be something. But we shouldn't start with "TAKING OVER THE GOVERNMENTS MONETARY POLICY" start with everyday transactions, remittances, and so on.
12  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Virginia Governor Declares states of emergency because of GUNS RIGHTS RALLY on: January 17, 2020, 02:34:14 PM
Still don't see what the issue is for ME using it, if I'm someone who uses it for the (at least in my view) the intended purpose, which is to keep low effort BS out of my thread.

If people want to censor with it then so be it, just avoid those threads. While it may suck and be stupid, that is how it goes.

Your use of it normalizes and legitimizes it. I don't think it should be common or acceptable for anyone to use here. "Just avoid those threads" is not a viable solution. That would make sense if say some one was offended by content, not if they are being prevented form participating in discussion. Avoiding participating in a discussion you are being prevented from participating in is not a solution.

The only solution to your problem would be to talk to Theymos about getting that removed in this section. I'm going to keep using it. Still don't understand the resistance to it to be honest.

I don't live in the US but since this is a right guaranteed by the Constitution, isn't the governor doing something illegal? Usually with declarations of "state of emergency" comes emergency powers that might allow enforcers to break up rallies, right? From what I see these rallyists aren't doing anything illegal.

Mental illness checks are fine, but who's going to define what is and what isn't a mental illness to be able to deny me my constitutional right.

The thing is they define what an illness is based on whatever they like. When people tell you so-and-so makes someone "unfit" just point out that homosexuals used to be sent to insane asylums.
State of emergenices (declared by the Governor) most likely allow him to ban firearms from state grounds.
But in regards to gun controls, the legislature can pass whatever they want and then lawsuits would most likely happen to see if the law is constitutional or not. Though the SC leans towards certain parts of gun control being legal.
13  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Senegalese government openly supports the Akoin (cryptocurrency) project. on: January 17, 2020, 05:15:12 AM
My first thought was immediately AKON when I saw that coin's name LOL. Haven't heard from the guy for a while.

Considering the project head is a celeb I'm already assuming that it's centralized and the coins are acquired via an arbitrary manner. My view might change if I get more information about the coin but I'm not optimistic. The only thing this could be good for is introducing people to the concept of what a crypto is and they might hear about bitcoins and what sets it apart from these other shitcoins.

PS: I'm having this feeling, the Chinese are behind this project and Akon's reputation is just been used to gain acceptance. I might be wrong though lol.

It's possible. I mean, I don't remember AKON being that rich or influential. China have big interest on Africa and this could be a test run for their own cryptocurrency, on what effect would having a certain area dump fiat.

This isn't a test run for anything. Akon is rich and famous enough within Africa to be given some land and the ability to name the land (and his new formed town) his name everything else being done is just a sham and is either being done to defraud actually people or just for Akon to be massively narcassitic about himself.

Rich people buy land all the time. This is stupid and really shouldn't be news worthy, but here I am commenting about it.
14  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump and Protestors something doesn’t feel right!. on: January 17, 2020, 05:11:47 AM
I suppose so. I suppose the only thing that covertley looking into China does is -- if the Chinese found out they're going to be able to change the narrative from looking into the abuses of China on HK protestors into -- look at what the Americans are doing, they're trying to hurt CHINA. All that does is feed into anti American rhetoric.

I agree with the portion about China should've been reigned in a long time ago. It's disgusting that we went this long without actually doing anything about China. They've broken law after law and deal after deal, and politicans turned a blind eye because they knew that the $$$$$$ was in just letting China do its thing and that MAYBE someone down the line would fix the problem. That leaves Trump in a position where -- you're damned if you do (fix the china problems) and you're damned if you don't.

I'd much rather have some short term pain then long term pain for the next generation of children. I think we should extend that line of thinking into other things such as the DEBT.

The only way the debt is going to be fixed is with a total global economic reset and tearing down The Federal Reserve, and Trump knows this. He is preparing us for this inevitability. The only question is how hard is this reset going to be. He has been preparing us for this moment by incentivizing domestic industry so that we can be more independent, as once the system ends the US will lose the distinct advantage of being home to the printing press.

What does some one do just before they file for bankruptcy? They max out all of their credit cards and take on as much debt as possible to get a hold of anything they think they can keep, then they file. Trump knows the debt trap is an inescapable black hole, but it is also one based on an odious premise of inflationary fractional reserve fraud. Right now he is maxing out the credit cards to get all we can out of this sham system before it collapses under its own weight. These are all strategies Trump has lots of experience leveraging. People suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome often point to his bankruptcies as failures, but actually they are evidence of his economic genius, because if done correctly bankruptcy can lead to a net gain. It is only a matter of time before the current economic order fails. The orderliness of this collapse is still yet to be determined.

That's a bit much there TS. While I do think that Trump can be a smart person. I do also think that he's an older person with a political ambition of winning another term. It really doesn't matter to him (just like past presidents) what happens after their 8 years in office because at that point they're not running the show anymore and they're not liable for what happens.

No one cares about the budget in the government. All they want to do is get reelected. If that means spending a ton of money on programs to ensure that tons of people get stuff for free from the government, tons of people are employed by the government, and a good deal of our corporations are given welfare by the government, then the politicians will throw their 'ideals' away to ensure that the people stay happy.

In the private sector, bankruptcy can lead to a net gain. But when you're talking about governments, bankruptcy is NEVER a good thing. If the US beings to declare bankrupty, we're already erupted into some sort of horrid chaos (with bloodshed)
15  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What news sources do ya guys use? on: January 17, 2020, 05:07:19 AM
Let me know. Even if you guys have some sort of aggregate that you use (Like RealClearPolitics or Apple News, etc, anything is appreciated)

Google News. Yeah I know, big brother, but I created a brand new Google account with no search history and it works quite well, without nonsense like "you googled Tesla once so here's what Musk tweeted today". Offline feature is extremely useful when traveling.

BBC and NPR in the car, mostly because I can't stand ads and screaming and stupid sounds effects on commercial radio.

You should try podcasts in the car.  Not all on my list, but NPR's 'The NPR politics podcast',  'Up First', and 'Planet Money' podcasts are all pretty good, and non-politics 'Click and Clack' and 'Wait Wait Don't Tell Me'  are also available to listen on demand.  BBC must have some good ones also.


I'm actually a pretty big listener of The Daily (NY Times), Freakonomics Radio, and The Journal (WSJ) Easy way to kill all of the commuting time in the car and learn about (in broad, and obvs a bit biased) things.

Let me know. Even if you guys have some sort of aggregate that you use (Like RealClearPolitics or Apple News, etc, anything is appreciated)

Google News. Yeah I know, big brother, but I created a brand new Google account with no search history and it works quite well, without nonsense like "you googled Tesla once so here's what Musk tweeted today". Offline feature is extremely useful when traveling.

BBC and NPR in the car, mostly because I can't stand ads and screaming and stupid sounds effects on commercial radio.

Used Google News for awhile on my phone. Was fine, but I'd rather just pay for WSJ and read that. Wasn't a big fan of Google News 'curating' my news. Never really understood why anyone would like that, sounded like facebook with a ton of people posting bullshit all day.

16  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Virginia Governor Declares states of emergency because of GUNS RIGHTS RALLY on: January 17, 2020, 05:04:03 AM
Virginia is going to be the dry run for nation wide gun control. The government has no respect for any of our rights. The ONLY thing preserving ANY of our freedoms is that the US citizenry is armed to the teeth. "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

Upon review of more information here: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/northam-declares-state-emergency-virginia-because-armed-militia-groups-plan-storm-capitol

It is clear this "state of emergency" is an unconstitutional and tyrannical act aimed directly at preventing law abiding gun owners from protesting and exercising their 2nd amendment rights. This is just an back door way to shut down the protest by making it "illegal" for the protestors to show up with firearms, the entire purpose of the demonstration. This dipshit is playing with fire. Much like the rest of the left L.A.R.P.ing revolution, eventually if they pretend long enough they are going to get a real one, and they won't end up on top.



P.S. Stop legitimizing self moderated threads in Politics and Society. Only weak minded simpletons need to curate political discussion, and as far as I can tell you don't even use it anyway. All you are doing is giving legitimacy to the toolbags who use it for censorship.

This is what I had been thinking as well. In my mind (and probably most people who are anti gun control) Dems are trying to see what the response of the gun owners community is if they pass far reaching gun control laws. If it had gone without any issue, then this would happen on a national scale, but because people in Virgina (and others that are coming into VA) are fighting back, it means that they know they can't just do this overnight and everyone will just ignore it.

I don't think there's a problem with self mod threads. The purpose of them is to keep what you determine as 'bad' out. I'm not the type of person to remove much of anything, just mostly low effort spam. Not a reason to 'kill it for all of us' because some can't handle the power.

This is operating under the assumption that they don't want civil war. In that case they very much would move forward with this plan.

No one said "kill it", just stop using it so it is clear the only people who do are censorious douchebags who can't handle a critical debate. I find the very idea of a self moderated thread in this section repugnant. The small advantage of being able ot filter out a small amount of low effort posts the moderators won't remove by forum rules is totally overshadowed by its potential for abuse to censor.

Still don't see what the issue is for ME using it, if I'm someone who uses it for the (at least in my view) the intended purpose, which is to keep low effort BS out of my thread.

If people want to censor with it then so be it, just avoid those threads. While it may suck and be stupid, that is how it goes.
17  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Virginia Governor Declares states of emergency because of GUNS RIGHTS RALLY on: January 16, 2020, 04:24:59 PM
Virginia is going to be the dry run for nation wide gun control. The government has no respect for any of our rights. The ONLY thing preserving ANY of our freedoms is that the US citizenry is armed to the teeth. "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

Upon review of more information here: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/northam-declares-state-emergency-virginia-because-armed-militia-groups-plan-storm-capitol

It is clear this "state of emergency" is an unconstitutional and tyrannical act aimed directly at preventing law abiding gun owners from protesting and exercising their 2nd amendment rights. This is just an back door way to shut down the protest by making it "illegal" for the protestors to show up with firearms, the entire purpose of the demonstration. This dipshit is playing with fire. Much like the rest of the left L.A.R.P.ing revolution, eventually if they pretend long enough they are going to get a real one, and they won't end up on top.



P.S. Stop legitimizing self moderated threads in Politics and Society. Only weak minded simpletons need to curate political discussion, and as far as I can tell you don't even use it anyway. All you are doing is giving legitimacy to the toolbags who use it for censorship.

This is what I had been thinking as well. In my mind (and probably most people who are anti gun control) Dems are trying to see what the response of the gun owners community is if they pass far reaching gun control laws. If it had gone without any issue, then this would happen on a national scale, but because people in Virgina (and others that are coming into VA) are fighting back, it means that they know they can't just do this overnight and everyone will just ignore it.

I don't think there's a problem with self mod threads. The purpose of them is to keep what you determine as 'bad' out. I'm not the type of person to remove much of anything, just mostly low effort spam. Not a reason to 'kill it for all of us' because some can't handle the power.
18  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donald Trump Finally Impeached Today on: January 16, 2020, 04:16:27 PM
I mean it was official, it just hadn't been sent to the Senate yet. To be honest I had no idea that they had to vote to send them over to the Senate, was pretty sure that the only reason they hadn't been sent yet was because of Pelosi.

But then again, that's government for you. Bureaucracy and a ton of rules is a hell of a thing.

Transmission to The Senate is a constitutional requirement for impeachment is it not? It was not legally completed until it was transmitted to The Senate. Take 2 seconds to think about this. Why would they hold yet ANOTHER vote on it if it was not a technical legal requirement for this process to move forward? Either this vote along with transmission to The Senate was a prerequisite for the legal process to make it official, or this vote was completely arbitrary. You might negotiate and write up a giant contract, but until you sign it, under the law it is just a piece of paper. The same applies here. It is not done until it is done. Now it is done. Now the real fun begins, and the hunters become the hunted Cheesy
It is not a requirement. The constitution gives the house the sole authority to impeach and the senate the sole authority to hold an impeachment trial. The transmission of articles has to do with house and senate rules that can be changed on a simple majority vote of the respective bodies to change their rules.

Some were calling for the rules of the senate to be changed to allow for a trial without “transmission” of the articles via a simple majority vote.

Some legal scholars disagree with the above but I don’t think the argument holds water.

So pretty much this was already set in stone at this point, but because of the Senate/House rules it had to be voted on. Which could be changed by a simple majority and things could move on.

We're pretty much just arguing about technicalities now. Thanks for the explanation though PrimeNumber, I appreciate it. If you could also source where that's from that'd be great as well. I trust ya, just nice to see the source info.
19  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Was it cruel to girls to pretend they should behave equal to men?? on: January 16, 2020, 04:27:13 AM
wage gap is false news
instead of leveling workers from 0-cleaner to 20-manager and then numbered the wage average column by column

EG
00- M:$20k W:$19k - M0staff W20staff
20- M:$200k W:190k - M1staff W0staff

you would only see a 5% discrepancy.

but some activists show that stat above to be:
"no women earns $200k. theres a 2000% discrepancy.. cleaners deserve a payrise to balance the numbers"
"1 man earns as much as 20 women in this workplace, but that man does not work 20x more than a woman"

.. however instead. the company should just look for a female thats trained to do the management job better than the man they hired. and replace the man..
but the the men would claim its an all women company thus no longer gender equal

Ah yes, I remember seeing this report saying that men flock towards the highest paying jobs (I think one of these highest paying jobs was Petroleum engineer, other types of engineers, computer science, etc) and women flock towards the lowest paying jobs (education, children welfare services, etc)

So yeah, it's not a wage gap because men hate women. It's a gap because of CHOICES WHICH IS FINE AND GOOD.
20  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Virginia Governor Declares states of emergency because of GUNS RIGHTS RALLY on: January 16, 2020, 04:12:06 AM
owning a single shot gun for self defense is one thing
but owning a fully autimatic rifle that can fire 30 shots in a couple seconds is another

there are many gun owners that will take the gun control laws as a 'militia attack' against people and feel its their constitutional right to fight and defend their rights using force.
and some feel if police stop them protesting or telling them to disburse as the same 'militia attack'

so yea i do see some violence occuring because there are some nutters in the gun owning community
this does not mean its going to be some big civil war citizen vs government army of thousands of guns being shot on both sides. but it only takes a couple nutters to cause chaos.

things can escalate fast.
at most when there is no actual war/threat to immediate life. a gun should not be even in someones hand.
and yes that includes cops. have them holstered and no where near having their finger on the trigger finger. that goes for both sides.

i can see it escalating fast here some gun owners will think its perfectly safe for them to shoot into the air 'coz no one gets hurt' and some people to point weapons at police(even without gun loaded) as some innocent protest thinking 'coz no one gets hurt'

the reality is though when a innocent shot is heard. panic occurs. when a gun is pointed at you, loaded or not. panic occurs
andits this panic.. and the hurd mentality of people reacting to it than can cause incidents

EG if someone points a gun at you and you dont know if its loaded. you have to automatically treat it as a threat to life. meaning yo can fire back. so yea an officer might think they are getting threatened and then shot first to defend themselves. then another person see's it as a civil attack and fires back. then all of a sudden .. chaos

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the best way for gun owners to truely peacefully protest and show they actually have the smarts to actually own a gun. is to show they dont need to wave it around in public.
.. then again. so should the police too

I mean the problem here is that gun owners beleive (and I'm not going to comment on if its right or wrong, because that's most likely not something anyone can prove) is that gun control laws are a slipperly slope. Yes, banning certain rifles may be worth it but if you do that are handguns going to be next? then shotguns? then so on and so forth.

Mental illness checks are fine, but who's going to define what is and what isn't a mental illness to be able to deny me my constitutional right.

Red flag laws sound good on paper, but taking guns away from law following Americans because of a fake / misunderstood piece of info and a crazy judge sounds a bit wrong to me.

I don't think anything is going to go wrong at this event. When massive gun control laws are changed though, that's when we'll see some madness.
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