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801  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The media is really bored - June 21st world is ending (FALSE) on: June 25, 2020, 03:20:42 PM
Such articles appeared earlier and will continue to appear because the print press needs to earn money with something, and they do everything so that you click on the article and see all the advertising banners from which they will receive at least some money for a living.

Yes panic and sex sells.
It has always been a top hit, which is why media and companies will always use it to get attention and make you click on their news article.
Most sites are so full of ads now, so they really want you to click and spend time on the site.

It's beyond sad that this is the case though. How do we live in a society where people will continue to use news sites like this to determine what's true and what isn't?

I've always said, people have the memory of a goldfish. So even if they're presented with facts to show that their favorite news source is obviously biased and is outright lying, they don't care and they're just going to scroll to the next story. I guess that's how this is all supposed to work though.

Tons of sheep relying on the big corporate news media. LOL.
802  Other / Politics & Society / Re: China US Trade war next level on: June 25, 2020, 02:26:27 PM
China US Trade War was in the news the other day before the market open on Tuesday (so Monday night). Peter Navarro (one of Trumps advisors on Trade) came out and said that the China trade deal was dead (or it a close source said it, whatever the media is using these days) --> Futures obviously plunged on the news.

I think around 15-20 mins later news came out that Trump is saying the deal is fully intact.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/china-trade-deal-is-over-says-white-house-adviser-navarro-amid-coronavirus-anger

God -- this is just a shitshow that shakes out some investors. Real interesting.
803  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it? on: June 25, 2020, 01:59:26 PM
I read an article saying a large portion of CHAZ 'residents' were fleeing the zone because of the high amount of crime and violence inside the No-Cop zone.

These kids cannot even see their own irony.

('Kids'- can also include Liberals in this context)



I had someone ask me the other day "How do you know which side are the good guys?" I told her it's usually the side that doesn't support burning buildings, erasing history, attacking the police, race baiting, taking away your rights and silencing free speech.

I've seen maybe a handful of articles like this, but the majority of them aren't saying such. All the media wants to report on is the fact that they're holding a few peaceful speeches and all about how they're developing a new community without law enforcement involved.

The media really should be showing the issues that are present in this 'new society' instead of just trying to skew the argument by JUST showing the 'amazing' of this society.

I can't believe people accepted that 6 blocks of a MAJOR US CITY was taken over by people and no one did a thing. Seattle flees. Interesting. I'd think that Trump would have the support of popular opinion of stopping this if it happened in DC.

804  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Post your favorite Biden Memes here on: June 25, 2020, 05:46:05 AM
Ya know before people started to notice Joe Biden touched Children weirdly, smelled hair, and was unable to put a sentence together -- there were cute memes about Joe Biden:





These were much funnier to me to be honest, the new ones just don't make me laugh as much as the stupid old ones from 2016. Can't believe we're already 4 years out from this though. Literally when Trump was being inaugurated.

805  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone... What are your thoughts on it? on: June 25, 2020, 05:31:23 AM
snip

Ugh. Snipping a lot of this, but going to comment on something that stuck out to me:

Did someone on reddit really NON JOKINGLY just say that some disadvantaged person may have needed YOUR PERSONAL ITEMS MORE? Does that make stealing okay?

Isn't that literally how all other stealing goes. Someone else needs the items more then me, or at least that's how they perceive it, and then they take it and sell it (or use it)

Sigh.
806  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is China going to dominate the world? on: June 25, 2020, 04:29:10 AM
Is China going to dominate the world?
Yes, I think so, based on trajectory over the last few decades. It depends on your metric, but this site provides some useful comparators (albeit 18 months old).
You also mentioned the China/India 'conflict'. This I think is a separate issue and the Himalayas will become more of a battleground in the decades to come as growing populations combine with climate change to make control of water sources tremendously important (see also the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam).



Pretty interesting graph by the way, I've never seen this before. Per Capita though is going to be one that is going to be heavily skewed towards the US looking much better, obvs though -- as China has had rapid RAPID RAPID population growth alongside their economic growth, while not the same thing can be said in the US in regards to population growth.

Obviously the US has had population growth as well. Though we all know that China has even had to institute policies such to stop this growth --> 1 Child (and now 2 Child policy) for people.
807  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TRUMP: KAAAANG FLU on: June 25, 2020, 04:11:59 AM
Doesn't really seem to be a difference from the way he normally talks. Do you have a different link then I do on this audio here? Cause this sounds pretty normal.

While using the term itself may be unfitting. Seems like the guy is in his element and ragging on China for botching this whole thing, which is a totally fair thing to talk about. Making fun of them is a Trump thing to do. Plus -- the people at the rally (or whatever this event actually is) were the ones yelling KUNG FLUUUU at him at first (before he even said it)


Audio link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7isyt5qldw
808  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: June 25, 2020, 03:57:33 AM
Same shit, different election..

The propaganda riles up all those who lap it up like dogs and bark really loud, and those who see through it and don't agree with the whole burning cities thing stay mainly quiet, but don't forget..
They are even pissing off all the Nascar fans lately I hear..

Whatever.. It will be what it is going to be..
Ain't gonna catch me voting for anyone who panders to the violent left over "racism" or whatever, while the only "racism" actually growing is anti-white racism..

Polls?
I wonder if virtue signalers just might be more likely to respond..

Left is just getting more and more radical, and that's what lost them the last one..

Nooses really? People are afraid of knots?
Everyone in the old days was hung by a noose.. Betcha more whites were hung by nooses than blacks in the history of the country..
Just like they make a big deal out of one or 2 black criminals getting shot by cops, while black on black crime kills monumentally more of them..
If they weren't so dangerous then they would probably get shot a lot less..

Oh don't worry Eddie, all of us are sitting here and still saying that we really don't want to trust the polls b/c of what they botched in 2016.

But it is totally fair to look at these polls and think for a second  -- maybe the issue at the problem is that Trump is botching responses to different issues (Corona, protesting, etc) So it's understandable to think that this is a pretty interesting time for the administration.

They're looking at bad poll numbers (worse then usual, as Biden is leading by another 5 percent then before this crisis started -- which was within the MOE) a struggling economy with high unemployment, a pandemic with about 100k Americans dead and resurging numbers in certain areas (Florida, Texas, etc), and so on and so forth.

809  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Safety note- Do not wash poultry before cooking. on: June 25, 2020, 03:44:07 AM
raw poultry products often carry disease-causing bacteria (salmonella, campylobacter, and many more), and washing it (which has absolutely no benefit, BTW) will send droplets of contaminated water spraying everywhere, spreading those bacteria to other foods and food preparation surfaces.

And this is the reason why, in my home, we wash poultry with white vinegar, then rinse it with tap water (our tap water is safe to drink, no one buys bottled water) and then cut it / prep it and cook it.
The immediate vicinity of the food prep area, gets cleaned with diluted bleach to kills salmonella and others.



...

You're not really supposed to wash it period. Shit is flying everywhere in your house. Unless you're walking in with a hazmat suit while holding this chicken over the tap water -- even then, you still have the issue of all of this stuff flying all over your household.

Just don't clean it. It's pretty simple.

https://www.today.com/food/should-you-rinse-raw-chicken-ina-garten-debunks-cooking-myth-t125376

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"Don't wash your raw chicken!" the government organization tweeted. "Washing can spread germs from the chicken to other food or utensils in the kitchen."

810  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Safety note- Do not wash poultry before cooking. on: June 24, 2020, 09:39:30 PM
What happened is that declining educational standards combined with the ready availability of prepared meals has resulted in Western society collectively forgetting how to safely handle poultry. In case they didn't teach you this in home economics class, raw poultry products often carry disease-causing bacteria (salmonella, campylobacter, and many more), and washing it (which has absolutely no benefit, BTW) will send droplets of contaminated water spraying everywhere, spreading those bacteria to other foods and food preparation surfaces. There's nothing more to it than that.

Not exactly sure how this is associated with declining educational standards and all of this. Isn't this something that would be passed down from the parents to children, instead of being taught in school? But you explained it well +merit for that.

Makes sense that the company is telling people that they shouldn't wash it. If you're a smart enough person you'll see that, follow it, and then not clean it. That's safety standards from the FDA (I assume).
811  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: June 24, 2020, 09:34:51 PM
Definitely not time to celebrate, but Biden is currently looking very strong in the swing state polls.  I think we're going to see Biden keep the ball on the ground and Trump taking more and more risks as we get closer to the end of the summer. He needs something to change.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-new-polling-averages-show-biden-leads-trump-by-9-points-nationally/




He needs an economic recovery and to show that his next moves are strong in fighting the coronavirus. Plus -- he needs to get benefits in the hands of people who need it. I know the Republican way is to typically be VERY STRONG ANTI WELFARE, but no one wants to see another big business take tons of money from the taxpayers who are going to lose the bulk of their benefits come July (extra $600 unemployment benefits)

Not that it wasn't already obvious but:

"Prosecutor says he was pressured to cut Roger Stone 'a break' because of his ties to Trump"

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/prosecutor-says-he-was-pressured-to-cut-roger-stone-a-break-because-of-his-ties-to-trump-336075



Here's Zelinskys written opening statement for his testimony tomorrow:
https://judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/zelinsky_opening_statement_hjc.pdf?utm_campaign=4024-519


This is going to be interesting to see play out. Not sure if it's illegal though, but I do think that this is a bad look to see. DOJ is kinda supposed to stay independent -- but that's no possible because of of the political appointment of the AG.

A scandal or two happens like this per administration -- but this seems a bit more serious.
812  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: June 24, 2020, 09:25:31 PM
Not sure that that'll be possible when the debates start. People are going to want him in the spotlight.

Even in the debates all he needs to do is just stay awake and have prepared answers to the common attack vectors and whatever the crisis of the day is. If he can find something to poke Trump with that's great, but probably not necessary... you know Trump will inevitably go off script and start rambling about Hillary and too much coronavirus testing and confederate statues matter etc.

But obviously that's easier said than done for Biden.

Much easier said than done for Biden. This is a guy who has been in the spotlight for decades now and now isn't able to maintain himself in public --> I think this is more him being old though, he used to be a pretty good public speaker.

But yeah, MUCH MUCH MUCH EASIER said then done for Biden. He'll start talking about kids touching his legs or some shit.

New NYT/Siena poll was released today that's looking extremely good for Biden. Sample size 1337 registered voters conducted 6/17 - 6/22.

Biden 50, Trump 36.

Age demographic breakdowns of this poll is pretty crazy too, among 65+, Biden 47%, Trump 45%. Among the 45 - 64 year old age demographic, Biden 44%, Trump 44%.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Put's Biden's RCP average lead at 10.2 points.

I guess older folks really did not like Trump's coronavirus response. Not a good sign when he's losing with boomers.

Long time until November, but this isn't good for Team Trump.
813  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: June 24, 2020, 02:01:25 PM
Yeah, I think it's his tendancy to want people around him that are 'anti establishment' but it really doesn't seem to be working out too well. Would make a lot more sense to pick some (at least some) tried and true advisors. They seem to stick out of trouble and don't ya know -- go and write some book deals for millions.

I have a feeling that there aren't many honest people lining up to work for Trump. He seems to demand loyalty over everything else so he gets (1) crooks who pretend to like him or (2) not very bright individuals who might genuinely like him but are shit at their jobs.

Bolton is a criminal, DOJ is going to go after him HARD for this. Barr isn't happy at all.

It's going to be interesting to watch how this shakes out. Bolton claims that he made all edits he was asked to make and that some information may have been classified retroactively. Neither side can really be trusted in their rhetoric.

Totally true on the loyalty portion of things. Trump demands blind loyalty -- which may work fine in a business environment where the stakes are a lot smaller and there isn't such a massive bureaucracy. In a government position, while the President may want blind loyalty from everyone in the administration, that's not really the job of many people in government minus the Presidents advisors and such.

Totally going to be rough, though I am expecting (based on what the judge said in the case regarding Boltons book) that he will have both a civil and criminal case that he will most likely lose. Dems aren't going to give him leeway b/c he didn't go and testify.

Looking better than ever for suchmoon.

Fingers crossed that Sleepy Joe "pervy paws" Biden will stick to the winning strategy of staying quiet and letting Trump defeat himself. And that he doesn't fall off the stage and doesn't mix Trump up with his sister during the debates.

I've always thought that the presidential election is a bit of a clown show... but this year... my oh my.

Not sure that that'll be possible when the debates start. People are going to want him in the spotlight.
814  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: June 23, 2020, 11:25:18 PM
Speaking of which, this ought to get techy's all the blowhards' tongues wagging eh?.

Bolton has already been labeled as all sorts of criminal by trumpists (and of course he isn't a particularly credible person), which makes me wonder why Trump tends to surround himself with these horrible people who quit or get fired after a few months and then denigrate him. There must be a common denominator in this uber-complex equation - what (or who) could it possibly be...


Yeah, I think it's his tendancy to want people around him that are 'anti establishment' but it really doesn't seem to be working out too well. Would make a lot more sense to pick some (at least some) tried and true advisors. They seem to stick out of trouble and don't ya know -- go and write some book deals for millions.

Bolton is a criminal, DOJ is going to go after him HARD for this. Barr isn't happy at all.
815  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: June 23, 2020, 02:25:57 PM
The elections are run by the states. The president has nothing to do with running the election.

You misinterpreted what I said. I didn't say Trump was "running the election." As the head of state, Trump is the top representative of the federal government -- the one that upholds the constitution which created the electoral college who elects the president. By claiming the vote is "rigged" before it even happens, he is undermining the constitution and thus the legitimacy of his own office.

I wouldn't say that undermines the legitimacy of his office. But it's not really a bright thing to be complaining about from Trump because it really isn't something that happens all that often -- election fraud that is.

Does mail in ballots increase the chance of voter fraud? Yes, totally. But it's still not a very high chance and states should just put safeguards in place to try to stop this.

We don't want thousands of people going to the ballot in November, in the middle of (maybe) a second wave and flu season and have to vote and all that. Sounds like a recipe for disaster all around the US.

On the posts about Stormy -- I'm not sure why she is even relevant anymore.
816  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Libertarian Party 2020 on: June 22, 2020, 07:13:44 PM
libertarians want private tyrany.

Have a cookie.

In the US the LP is just a tool used in lame attempts to split the vote of the opposition.

Not really possible for a 3rd party to rise in the US due to the nature of US elections. Pretty much all elections in the US work as follows: If you win even one more vote then the other candidate, you win and they get nothing (for Presidential elections this one vote would be in the EC instead of pop vote like for everything else.

if we had a different system of voting, yes this would be pretty different. A different system could be something along the lines of proportional representation and multi member districts. If you win a certain amount of the votes in a particular area, you'll get a certain number of the allocated represenatatives.

It is indeed not easy at all, except for when you have an extremely well organized party, but without radio and TV chains, I can imagine it's hard to get a foot on the ground in US politics. In the UK, the classical 2 party system has been turned over however, so it is not impossible though (although indeed, their voting system is still different from the US's).

Even a well organized party is going to have a hard time. The only thing that the two major parties are going to agree on EVERY SINGLE TIME is that they want to be in control. They're willing to 'share' the power between one another to ensure that another party doesn't rise up. Making sure another party stays irrelevant is pretty easy when you're the ones writing the elections laws.

They ensure that only the 2 major parties are relevant by doing the following:

1. Making it hard to get onto the ballot

2. Absorbing the ideas of smaller parties

3. Running mass PR campaigns convincing people that voting for the 3rd party isn't worth it -- and while this may be true at certain points -- people are conditioned to just disregard a 3rd party even if the ideas behind them are popular / good.

4. Gerrymandering Districts

and so on and so forth.
817  Other / Politics & Society / Re: John Bolton fired by President Trump - BREAKING on: June 22, 2020, 04:36:44 PM
snip - Lot of writing, had to snip.

You're right right when it comes to the first part about it being about the money for Bolton. The Democrats are currently saying the same thing -- as Bolton had every opportunity to sit in-front of Congress and come and talk, or at least try to do so (as the Administration would've put up a fight.) Here's the tweet from Schiff (https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1274888946682601473) as he talks about the fact that this was totally about the money for Bolton.

John Bolton is going to be hurt from doing this, the DOJ is 100% going to try to take away his book advance and remove whatever financial incentive the guy had to do this.

This book will lead to MANY investigations by the House Democrats -- unsure if they will have the same amount of news coverage as the Ukraine Scandal, as there are many other things in the world right now as the Coronavirus is still ravaging the nation.

As always, we'll see.

I would suspect that any DOJ lawsuit against Bolton would be dropped if Biden were to win. Likewise for any criminal charges.

I suspect the Democrats had ~all of the evidence and testimony ahead of time before they started the impeachment inquiry. This is based on Mr. Vinmen meeting with Shift's office before testifying, Pelosi saying publicly that she will not support impeachment without bipartisan support ~two weeks before announcing the impeachment inquiry, and the rules that heavily favored Democrats. This would not be the case with a Bolton impeachment, Bolton would have credibility issues, and there is the risk that Bolton could recant his testimony in the middle of a trial or inquiry, which might lead to a strong bipartisan vote against impeachment, or congress voting to impeach based on literally zero evidence. I think Democrats voting to impeach is just too risky for Democrats.

Trump is also very good at 4-D chess. When Bolton tweeted about being locked out of his Twitter account after impeachment, I had suspected at the time it was a ploy to get Democrats to call Bolton to testify.

I would say a 2nd Trump term would have a decent chance of an armed conflict with China, while a Biden administration would probably mean going back to allowing China to steal US IP, and possibly China exporting computer HW to the US in masse, which would only lead to spying on the US. Being a warmonger, Bolton should favor the former.

Not sure on a Biden administration dropping charges against Bolton, what the guy did is still illegal and they're going to want to set an example out of him either way. Especially due to the fact that he didn't whistle blow the proper way, he went out of his way to try to enrich himself with a book. Not a good look at all.

Democrats are most likely not going to impeach, too little time to the election and the voters really don't even care about this whole Bolton situation. Much more fixated on the response to the Coronavirus.

Would love to see China stop stealing IP from the US, but who knows if that'll ever happen -- under any adminstration.
818  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: June 22, 2020, 04:14:55 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if his "protesters, anarchists, looters and low lifes going to Oklahoma" tweet made a lot of his supporters decide to just watch it on TV instead of having to worry about their car getting torched in a race riot while in the Arena and then having to pay the Uber extra because they smell like pepper spray.

Wouldn't be surprised about this as well. Who is going to want to leave their car at the parking lot beside the convention center where people KNOW that you HAVE to be a TRUMP SUPPORTER to be there.

Sounds like a death sentence for your car, not going to be fun trying to get home. Would much rather just watch it at home if you're interested. Plus ya know -- we do still have a worldwide pandemic that is ravaging the nation. Would rather not be shoulder to shoulder with people chanting along with Trump.
819  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Libertarian Party 2020 on: June 22, 2020, 04:56:59 AM
Oh yeah let's all vote Republican or Democrat again. I'm 100% sure that this time, they will change the country.

Jokes aside, are any American fellow forum members considering a vote for Libertarian Party nominee Jo Jorgensen? If so, could you elaborate a bit? You might know I'm passionated by the ideology, but having a real organized libertarian party is something we Europeans can only dream about, and I'm quite curious to hear how the LP campaigns are being run IRL and what people who cast their votes for the LP act and think (politically) IRL.

www.joj2020.com

In the US the LP is just a tool used in lame attempts to split the vote of the opposition.

This.

Not really possible for a 3rd party to rise in the US due to the nature of US elections. Pretty much all elections in the US work as follows: If you win even one more vote then the other candidate, you win and they get nothing (for Presidential elections this one vote would be in the EC instead of pop vote like for everything else.

if we had a different system of voting, yes this would be pretty different. A different system could be something along the lines of proportional representation and multi member districts. If you win a certain amount of the votes in a particular area, you'll get a certain number of the allocated represenatatives.

Ranked voting as well -- As this allows you to vote for more then one candidate, your vote would still go to the next candidate if the lowest is removed.

See here for ideas on all of this - https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/electoral-reform-types-1.3577721 - may start a thread.

820  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: June 22, 2020, 04:38:42 AM
Lord. I didn't agree with holding a rally, but lord these people will jump on anything if it fits their worldview.

I think what makes it so schadenfreudy is that the Trump campaign was in complete delusion about this rally. Like the Brad Parscale's tweet above or this from Trump himself:

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We expect to have a record-setting crowd. We’ve never had an empty seat, and we certainly won’t in Oklahoma.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/trump-speaks-half-empty-arena-tulsa.html

It was still a huge crowd but a great example of woefully mismanaged expectations and terrible handling of the fallout - blaming media, protesters, etc.


Yet again we land back at what they could've said instead.

"Great Rally in Oklahoma, even with the horrible Coroaonvirus, we were able to safely have a 6000 person (or so) rally in OK. Great crowds, wonderful people, these crowds are going to be HUGE when all of this blows over"

Obviously none of that is what Trump personally would like to say, nor what his die hard fans would like to hear, so yeah -- we're back in this weird situation where people are left arguing about --> Crowd Sizes.

Would be fair to lay some of the blame on trolls and such, but you need to go about it a different way.
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