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2161  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: NEW BFL RACK MOUNT MINER (230GH/S) - LOL on: March 23, 2014, 03:31:45 AM
Maybe it is for April fools?


It is always April Fools at BFL.
2162  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [BFL] List of Lies on: March 23, 2014, 03:18:13 AM
How sad, you still don't understand how it works, it's WATTS * TIME = JOULES.  Joules as a reference in itself is meaningless without the time factor.

You make correcting you so much fun, I just can't resist. The "fime factor" is missing because it cancels itself out. The two terms use miners love to reference are "watts" and "gigahashes per second". Look what happens when you combine them.

.68 W / (GH/s)

multiple both numerator and denominator by s

.68 Ws / (GHs/s)

simplify (Ws) and (s/s)

.68 J / GH



Maybe you need some bandages...

2163  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterflylabs legit? on: March 23, 2014, 03:10:50 AM

One really good alternative is CEX for Cloud Hosting. <-- NO
BFL <-- NO

Other miners possibly but do your research:

Other option but do your research:
Buy BitCoin or other Altcoins and hold em.

2164  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [BFL] List of Lies on: March 22, 2014, 04:53:14 PM
There's one major thing missing from this list... a timeline as to when each comment was written.  The OP seriously seems to think that these are current claims, when several of them were made months ago.  Call it was it really is, a lack of updating the website with current information.

Oct: "November / December    Initial Shipping"

Dec: "With that in mind, our current schedule is on track for shippments to begin towards end of year."

Jan: "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in January 2014."

Feb: "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in February, 2014."

These aren't just some quotes printed in some obscure website they have no control over. This is straight from their product page which is used to sell their products. They regularly update the webpage, yet they chose to not update some issues which no longer are true. That places them firmly in "lie" territory.

2165  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: March 22, 2014, 04:30:43 PM

Cloudhashing and buying from BFL are the only ways in bitcoin mining to guarantee you get ripped off and don't see a profit.

Seriously I dare anyone to find a single person who has reached a positive ROI using any type of cloudmining.


2166  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [BFL] List of Lies on: March 22, 2014, 04:00:53 PM
In addition, if you want to be technical (and I know you guys love being technical), Bitmain initially promised 0.68 J/GH on chip, which is meaningless.  Joules is an energy measurement and is usually referenced over time, and there's no time measuement included.  ANY manufacturer out there could make the same claim and it would not be a lie.  While it might take 1 manufacturer .5 sec to reach .68J/GH, it might take another manufacturer 3 seconds.  But that's only misleading, so you'd probably discount it being an untruth.

That is simply not how it works.

1 Joule = 1 Watt/second

2167  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [BFL] List of Lies on: March 22, 2014, 11:47:36 AM

[]ericools 12 points 7 months ago

I thought the FPGA seemed nice, I'm actually upset that they talked me out of ordering their FPGA rig by telling me the ASIC was about to ship and would make it unprofitable. Still waiting on my ASIC.
2168  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [BFL] List of Lies on: March 22, 2014, 11:30:22 AM
Check the quotes... surely you can find MORE "inconsistencies".  Josh Zerlan Interview... PLENTY of Points to PONDER here.

More stuff for you to reference.

BFL claims their new 28nm card will have a power draw of 350 Watts,
which puts it squarely in AMD 6990 territory.

In case you're new to Bitcoin mining, 6990's run at pretty much the thermal
limit for a PCI card. They come with scary warnings about damaging your
system's motherboard and power supply, and have a dedicated "all bets are
off if you flip this" switch on the back of the board used to enable "full power"
mode. The 6990 was a difficult project even for AMD, and has had significant
problems with reliability, especially in bitcoin mining applications. The fact
that BFL is planning to build hardware that runs at this temperature and
power density is, frankly, terrifying.

A PCI card is a very different environment than an external box that plugs in via
USB. They'll be up against all sorts of nasty power, signal timing, and compatibility
issues. If a card fails hard, it could easily take-out the motherboard, and destroy
other cards plugged in to it.

Its highly likely the finished product won't have anywhere near the hashing power
BFL claims it will, and its almost guaranteed that BFL will run into epic delays
during design and manufacturing, just like last time.
2169  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN]ASICMiner Publicly Looking for Potential Customers/Partners for New Chips on: March 22, 2014, 11:25:47 AM
We are keen on doing up a AM2 chip Wasp. Just point us to the sample chips and the detailed specification and we will design it and release the BOM and Gerbers for it.
2170  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech launches a new line of ASIC miners - Best W/GH/s ratio on: March 22, 2014, 11:16:02 AM
You guys are trying to create hype and get people to buy hardware that's unreasonably priced.
I would love to order a product like this but unfortunately you are aiming for a near term profit based on hype instead of establishing yourselves as a reasonable vendor.

What are the costs of development and production?
What is the profit margin they need to keep making more products?
What is a "FAIR" price in this marketplace given the many companies out there that have FAILED to deliver?
What is near term profit look like?
What does a reasonable vendor do?

Unless you have the spreadsheet right in front of you from every fabricator out there basing what is FAIR versus what the market will accept versus the "ROI" potential of any ASIC Rig right now I think that no reasonable person would be interested in buying any miner given the numbers.

What is obvious to anyone following the market for miners is that unless you are willing to steal the tech out right then getting a "FAIR" price is pretty hard if you think you want to get a return on your investment with a mining rig. I don't think all these calls about companies hyping or looking for short term gains applies to every fabricator. Either you expect companies to make miners for a reasonable profit or you don't think they should make any at all. The pricing here is probably inline with a start-up looking to recoup a lot of initial investment. What is reputable is that they are NOT funding the development with community money. That is telling. That is what you want to focus on. That is hopefully how most ASIC miners enter the market from now on. Let us see what happens but given the path this company chose I'd be more inclined to buy here than most others.

Spondoolies-Tech has raised over $5.5m in funding. This came from two Israeli venture capital firms: Genesis Partners, and BRM. $1m came from a group of angel investors.
2171  Other / Archival / Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware on: March 22, 2014, 10:43:03 AM
Pre-order is just not acceptable, no way. People still do it, but these people should go to Vegas and bet the mortgage on the roulette tables...Smiley


Better just buy BTC or some other Altcoin.
2172  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [BFL] List of Lies on: March 22, 2014, 10:40:21 AM
There is ample current and past evidence posted right here in this forum for BFL their shills and spokesmen lying. This is not the only thread for that. The news would be where they have told the truth. There seems to be a real disconnect here if anyone is denying that BFL has lied, continues to lie and will lie in the future.

Lies are morally wrong, then, for two reasons. First, lying corrupts
the most important quality of my being human: my ability to make free,
rational choices. Each lie I tell contradicts the part of me that gives me
moral worth. Second, my lies rob others of their freedom to choose rationally.
When my lie leads people to decide other than they would had they known
the truth, I have harmed their human dignity and autonomy. Kant believed
that to value ourselves and others as ends instead of means, we have perfect
duties (i.e., no exceptions) to avoid damaging, interfering with, or misusing
the ability to make free decisions; in other words - no lying.
2173  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: March 22, 2014, 04:41:08 AM
Do you have a list of vendors or means to purchase? I can purchase a tray of Bitfury 2 Chips and see this as viable.

No list of vendors yet as we need to get a working Wasp Hive system as bug free as possible and release it. We do have a number of people keen on fabrication but until we have released the Firmware/Software/Hardware details in a working format we just have to wait. We will only be working on the firmware and Hives over the next week. The BF2 Wasp should be in at the fabricator this week and prototype boards will be in the EE's hands by early April. The A1 Wasp will go through more rigorous testing after the Main EE gets back from the tropics!
2174  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: DIY Custom BitFury on: March 22, 2014, 04:25:45 AM
all my stuff from digi-key and ebay made it. just need to look over everything and make sure im happy with all the values. i ordered some copper pcb board from ebay and a hot air rework station. im fully ditching the perf board idea. so now its plan a layout, design it and make the board and solder it up.

link to the hot air rework station:

We got one of those at school, issues will be many doing every component that way.
2175  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IN STOCK AND SHIPPING - OneStringMiner boards; lower prices as of March 21st on: March 22, 2014, 04:16:50 AM
You know what I love? Paying on Tuesday, and having my OSM units in hand and hashing on Friday, all the way from across the ocean.

You know what else I love? Lots of parts included! Cords, screws, spacers, fans all included, so I don't have to hunt all over for some little thing.

And they're tiny, and as silent as you want them to be.

And, oh yeah, all in the neighborhood of ~1W/GH/s. I will run these forever. Thanks again!

+1 Ben has it dialed in. This is good for the community.
2176  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is there a post that keeps track of vendors that are shipping right now? on: March 21, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
It would be great if there was a post to track vendors and resellers that are shipping right now.
I looked around but couldn't find anything. Did I miss it or it doesn't exist yet?

Here is your list:


The end.

Spondooliestech... shipping soon.
2177  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: March 21, 2014, 03:06:30 PM
So I would guess yes. It looks like it and sounds like it but I have no idea why you have 2 of them...

That is good news since I have all needed for working with them...

Multiple people working on this so there were options to choose from the list above I think.

2178  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: March 21, 2014, 07:44:13 AM
Is that Atmel?

Would have to ask the EE... or I have to listen through the minutes again to find that out for you Lucko. I'll see what I can dig up on that.


Dug this up on our internal repository... hope that helps Lucko.

Atmel Dev Tools

To develop firmware and learn firmware development for AVR-based Wasps, we use the following tools:

UC3-A3 Xplained dev board
XMEGA256-A3BU Xplained dev board
Atmel Studio (free download)

Atmel tools and development kits are available from ​Atmel, ​Mouser, ​DigiKey and other sources. Mouser and Digikey are recommended over Atmel since they usually ship more quickly.

The following videos provide a good introduction to the development process for Atmel parts and boards using Atmel Studio and Atmel Software Framework (ASF).

Software design process for the ASF
Getting Started 1
ASF Getting Started 2

These videos describe how to use Atmel Studio to create a customized ASF-based library for specific hardware and a single firmware application. Follow the described processes to learn how to write firmware for Atmel dev boards or non-wasp hardware.

For production wasp firmware, we will need to modify the processes described in the video since we want to create a single ASF-based library customized for wasp hardware, but this library will be used by many firmware applications: namely, one application for each for type of wasp and probably (a) test/diagnostic application(s) for each wasp as well.

MAX V CPLD Dev Tools

Tools for CPLD firmware are a development board, downloadable development software and tutorial pdf and video. Downloads may require login to free Altera account:

DK-DEV-5M570ZN development board
Quartus II Web Edition development software (free download)
My First FPGA Tutorial (login to free acct may be required)
Introduction to Quartus II and the FPGA (or CPLD) design process
2179  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech launches a new line of ASIC miners - Best W/GH/s ratio on: March 21, 2014, 04:45:48 AM
So, Guy (Spondoolies-Tech CEO) has just dropped by to deliver my sample SP10 Dawson unit.

Ahem... that was FAST! This is certainly one of the most seamless coming to market with an ASIC Rig we have seen to date. If only everyone did it this way eh? Now for customer products let us see how that shakes out.
2180  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [CLOSED] Bitmine CoinCraft A1 28nm chip distribution / DIY support on: March 21, 2014, 04:06:56 AM
The WPC EE says:

I am blinking the lights!


1. 3.3V regulator working
2. JTAG interface to UC3C working
3. Processor is initializing
4. ASF now working (took moving to Studio 6.2, since all UC3C was broken in 6.1)
5. 12MHz oscillator is working
6. Can do one LED - all 3 colors are working

Yay! (Finally!)

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