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2181  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech launches a new line of ASIC miners - Best W/GH/s ratio on: March 20, 2014, 06:27:20 AM

Is no one going to ask the really important question? The elephant in the room... where the name originates?

Spondoolies really?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spondoolies ... Wink


Damn... never heard that before I assumed it was made up. LoL my google fingers are broken I guess. Thanks.


No problem, buddy...I was more then glad to do this for you...so you can save your fingers for some other Things... Smiley

On the serious note: ...sounds like "Show me the money"...another red flag for me...smells a little fishy... Wink

I think you got a situation here that is dead simple considering they are sold out. Wait and see if people get their 1st run miners as promised... but that is not harbinger of the 2nd round or 3rd round or 4th round. You pays your money you takes your chances. Given the people backing this like Meni and the video it is pretty legit so far.

Proof will be in delivery times and chip supply. With limited runs of miners there could be 2 reasons for that that come to mind and there are probably a lot more. 1. Chips are in short supply so they can't build unlimited numbers to keep them in stock. 2. Do they have the funds beyond putting together small production runs or are they slowly stepping up production cautiously.

We all loved the Avalon till we didn't love the Avalon.
We all loved BitFury till...
We all loved the KnC till...
We all love the Antminer but...

No one really loved BFL they were just aholes day one.

2182  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: March 20, 2014, 06:17:18 AM
It doesn't take anymore time to learn anything at 6 or 18 or 45. There are definitely stages of development or sensitive periods for specific aspects for all humans from birth through to 24 years of age and probably beyond. In terms of child protection there are laws in place for that I am not debating that I am debating the fact that a 12 or 13 year old knows right from wrong and can learn to handle a lot different things including money. I think this "kid" is now in 1st year college so we are not talking about a snot nosed kid of 11 or 12 are we? We are talking about an adult who could die for their country. Again my concern is he really being ethical?

I am sticking with my opinion that younger than 18 is too young to operate a security but the free market ultimately decides.

As for ethics, if the accusations of using shill accounts is true I would say he does not pass that qualification either.

There are laws to protect people under age from operating securities I suspect in most countries unless they have been emancipated from their parents. Again the real issue here is whether or not the guy who is obviously over 18 is ethical. Full stop.
2183  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: up to 800GH/s [Non Self Moderated] on: March 20, 2014, 06:06:15 AM
FWIW, it looks to me like they're selectively locking the other thread when they're not at the computer and can't be vigilantly deleting messages. Kinda crazy.

While it makes for good fun watching them try and rationalize their fraud why are you guys wasting your time arguing with them.  You should start a collection to hire a private investigator to get to the bottom of what is really going on.  I mean they had to think the price of BTC would either be stable or increase over time otherwise their whole business would have been sunk.  I'd be willing to bet this whole charade is just them trying to keep what is now $100 Million+ in BTC they collected.

+1 follow the BTC. It don't lie.
2184  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: DIY Custom BitFury on: March 20, 2014, 05:53:45 AM
thanks for some info. been looking all night till my eyes are bleeding..... not really, but its about time for bed. found a program called freepcb... dunno if its any good but seems easier/faster than MS paint and you can select the chip to place and where.... this would make it pretty easy for some diy etching pcbs. cant wait to get all my components.

KiCad is what some people have used that is not an endorsement at all but worth looking at. It can be a real bear as evidenced by BKKCoins struggles. Starting from a point of 0 design experience with a cad program is a hard place to begin but whatever help I can provide I will. I am not an EE but there are plenty of people in this forum I bet that will throw you some information as you keep plugging away.

http://www.kicad-pcb.org/display/KICAD/KiCad+EDA+Software+Suite
2185  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech launches a new line of ASIC miners - Best W/GH/s ratio on: March 20, 2014, 05:50:34 AM
Is no one going to ask the really important question? The elephant in the room... where the name originates?

Spondoolies really?

Yes the name is infantile and absurd, but the elephant in the room is that the thread is self-moderated.

I was joking about the name being important. Self-moderated or under moderated like many others is not much of concern. Failure to ship on time that is the test here for this company. Given they got chips, miners and working miners at that the real issue is volume and shipping now.
2186  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: March 20, 2014, 05:45:58 AM
According to Garrett's resume, he's in high school, placing him on an approximately equal intellectual and social development footing with HasfFart's management, and maybe a short couple years behind the sophomoric Josh.

Looks like he is in college from his LinkedIn Profile probably just finishing up freshman year.

It isn't about age. It is about ethics. Respectfully I have seen kids as young as 8 or 9 with better ethics than most of adults in HF or BFL or Avalon. There is no age restriction on being ethical. If you are willing to ignore the theft of millions just to pad your own wallet then you might want to find better mentors and that is what you need to point out. You could make a case for lack of experience or knowledge based on age but you had better show clearly the lack of knowledge and experience. There are some great examples out in the real world of teens and pre-teens turning technology / engineering on its head.

http://www.ryanswell.ca/ <-- Case in point. There are plenty more.
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/6/21/at_rio_20_severn_cullis_suzuki <-- And another.

True. But in my opinion you should at least be old enough to represent yourself in court if you decide to operate a business which holds any amount of customer/investor funds.

That is a bias or prejudice we don't need really. I think everyone has the right to participate in society in whatever capacity they can.  There used to be a time in human history when 12 or 13 meant you were an adult and were ready to participate fully in society. Someone in senior high or 1st year uni is more than ready to participate. If they are ethically challenged no  matter the age that is where I have concern.

No it is definitely a prejudice we need.

It takes time to learn how to properly handle ones own money let alone the money of others.

I have yet to see a baby pop out of the womb well educated in finance.

And if they decide to pull a fast one, who do we take to court? Not the child. You will have to sue their parents who probably didn't know their 13 year old stole/lost a shit ton of money.

A bit exaggerated but I think my point is clear.

As an educator of kids from 6 - 18 I disagree.

It doesn't take anymore time to learn anything at 6 or 18 or 45. There are definitely stages of development or sensitive periods for specific aspects for all humans from birth through to 24 years of age and probably beyond. In terms of child protection there are laws in place for that I am not debating that I am debating the fact that a 12 or 13 year old knows right from wrong and can learn to handle a lot different things including money. I think this "kid" is now in 1st year college so we are not talking about a snot nosed kid of 11 or 12 are we? We are talking about an adult who could die for their country. Again my concern is he really being ethical?
2187  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech launches a new line of ASIC miners - Best W/GH/s ratio on: March 20, 2014, 05:40:12 AM

Is no one going to ask the really important question? The elephant in the room... where the name originates?

Spondoolies really?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spondoolies ... Wink


Damn... never heard that before I assumed it was made up. LoL my google fingers are broken I guess. Thanks.
2188  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Habanero Project - Third Party HF Mining Board on: March 20, 2014, 05:37:40 AM
Thanks for the answer. Again good luck...

edit

... and yes we purchased A1 Bitmine chips from Zefir for the development boards before most of the shit hit the fan and had been in talks with Bitmine.ch for chips late in 2013 and offered up suggestions for chip changes even that were adopted and fixed a real physical restriction of the chip itself in terms of the pad dimensions. It is a real dicey road and ethically hard to decide after putting months of work to make a decision to cancel something like a build. Faced that with the K1 Nano project and why I would not personally deal with any Avalon product ever again as too many people lost millions in that debacle. Nothing could be recovered really even though many still struggled on with the Avalon 1 chip designs.
2189  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech launches a new line of ASIC miners - Best W/GH/s ratio on: March 20, 2014, 05:27:31 AM
Is no one going to ask the really important question? The elephant in the room... where the name originates?

Spondoolies really?
2190  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: March 20, 2014, 05:26:15 AM
According to Garrett's resume, he's in high school, placing him on an approximately equal intellectual and social development footing with HasfFart's management, and maybe a short couple years behind the sophomoric Josh.

Looks like he is in college from his LinkedIn Profile probably just finishing up freshman year.

It isn't about age. It is about ethics. Respectfully I have seen kids as young as 8 or 9 with better ethics than most of adults in HF or BFL or Avalon. There is no age restriction on being ethical. If you are willing to ignore the theft of millions just to pad your own wallet then you might want to find better mentors and that is what you need to point out. You could make a case for lack of experience or knowledge based on age but you had better show clearly the lack of knowledge and experience. There are some great examples out in the real world of teens and pre-teens turning technology / engineering on its head.

http://www.ryanswell.ca/ <-- Case in point. There are plenty more.
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/6/21/at_rio_20_severn_cullis_suzuki <-- And another.

True. But in my opinion you should at least be old enough to represent yourself in court if you decide to operate a business which holds any amount of customer/investor funds.

That is a bias or prejudice we don't need really. I think everyone has the right to participate in society in whatever capacity they can.  There used to be a time in human history when 12 or 13 meant you were an adult and were ready to participate fully in society. Someone in senior high or 1st year uni is more than ready to participate. If they are ethically challenged no  matter the age that is where I have concern.
2191  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: March 20, 2014, 05:07:49 AM
According to Garrett's resume, he's in high school, placing him on an approximately equal intellectual and social development footing with HasfFart's management, and maybe a short couple years behind the sophomoric Josh.

Looks like he is in college from his LinkedIn Profile probably just finishing up freshman year.

It isn't about age. It is about ethics. Respectfully I have seen kids as young as 8 or 9 with better ethics than most of adults in HF or BFL or Avalon. There is no age restriction on being ethical. If you are willing to ignore the theft of millions just to pad your own wallet then you might want to find better mentors and that is what you need to point out. You could make a case for lack of experience or knowledge based on age but you had better show clearly the lack of knowledge and experience. There are some great examples out in the real world of teens and pre-teens turning technology / engineering on its head.

http://www.ryanswell.ca/ <-- Case in point. There are plenty more.
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/6/21/at_rio_20_severn_cullis_suzuki <-- And another.
2192  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [CLOSED] Bitmine CoinCraft A1 28nm chip distribution / DIY support on: March 20, 2014, 04:57:57 AM
Interesting.

Yes the 2 phase cooling like they have in the Asicminer mining center might be a great option for these as you could dump the heat sinks and fans potentially.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=346134.0

http://www.enterprisetech.com/2013/11/24/3m-allied-control-cool-clusters-novec-bubble-bath/


http://www.allied-control.com/
http://www.clusteredsystems.com/
2193  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Habanero Project - Third Party HF Mining Board on: March 20, 2014, 04:45:34 AM
Some people might want to question the ethics of using the HF chips at all. Would you care to comment on that Mr Teal? Or is that not the scope here?

I wish you luck and hope that you put together a great board for your customers.
2194  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Scaling Up From Nothing on: March 20, 2014, 04:36:14 AM
Collectivism.
2195  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: DIY Custom BitFury on: March 20, 2014, 04:14:21 AM
Good Luck... following.

2196  Other / Archival / Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware on: March 20, 2014, 02:40:29 AM
Yes. BFL is a well deserved target and I think my next all in target might be HF given the attempt to shame me publicly in this thread but I think there are plenty of people working on that end already to bring HF to a reckoning. I feel for the HF customers and the way they have been treated is just a nightmare. We do need to build an index for reputable and ethical companies selling to the community that would go a long way to pushing out the thieves.

Obviously at different points in the saga that is pre-order land different tactics are probably required and I suppose in a street fight all bets are off. I just think there is already too many flaky companies and who is to say that Black Miner or others can't be upstanding ethical players later on. We will see just know you got my support and whatever is required for going after HF. There are plenty of people making the decision to build with HF chips... there are certainly a lot of flies one would have to swat. Some people I guess are willing and able to make the leap from HF is scum to but we will support a 3rd Party Project knowing full well what HF has done to the community.

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Re: The Habanero Project - Third Party HF Mining Board
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Quote from: CoinChex on March 18, 2014, 08:17:59

What type of confidence you do have that HashFast will deliver their GN chips? Additionally,
where is that confidence coming from? Have you spoken with members of their team or do
you have access to their chips/boards already?

I ask for several reasons, most being to clean up the bad taste in my mouth!

Mr Teal:

We've spoken with HashFast already and they have assured us that they have sufficient
quantity of the chips available immediately for what we need. We do have a couple
chips ready now (that you can see in the picture) that are just waiting for the boards
to be built so they can be tested.
2197  Other / Archival / Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware on: March 20, 2014, 01:57:43 AM
People still buy Avalon Gen2 and will buy Gen3 chip based products I wish they wouldn't but they do. Same for for HF Chips. I wish fabricators didn't use chips from disreputable businesses but you know what there are plenty of examples of this and some better designs do come out the woodwork.

Point is where do draw a line?

I wish the team at Black Miner all the best but there is a lot of baggage with HF I hope you can weather that.

No one is blacklisting those who used Avalon Gen2 or will use Gen 3 chips or those who used BFL chips to make chilies etc. of even the disputed A1 Chips coming out of Innosillicon. I don't see the value in going after Black Miner unless there is a direct link to HF as subsidiary or something like that.

Bicknellski,

You have been begging HashFast for free chips via PM and email since our GN1 was announced.

I get it, you appoint yourself head of some collective and then want free stuff on behalf of the collective.  Very clever.

You didn't get any free stuff, so now you are angry at us for not helping you achieve your collectivist goals.

If you want Golden Nonce ASICs, buy a developer kit like everyone else.

Everyone was BEGGING them for free chips.

The answer I got was we had to SPEND 100's of thousands within a 2 day window or we would miss the boat on chips that would be shipped in December or sooner? We of course MISSED the boat and given the flaming shit bag HF created we are glad for that. I am not mad nor was the WPC mad at HF when we didn't get sample chips. We all had a good laugh at the sales tactics of "HURRY UP AND BUY GIVE US HALF A MILLION FOR THESE CHIPS TODAY OR YOU WILL MISS THE BOAT" we moved on to other chips and we are grateful we did.

That was when? September? November 2013?

We put the same question to Asicminer, Bitmine, KnC, BitFury, Gridseed, Cointerra, Black Arrow and a few more chips that the community doesn't know about and we continue to do the same right now as I write this we are engaging with any number of chip fabricators for SAMPLE sizes of chips. So where is the smoking the gun? We are not a huge company the WPC has limited resources and we are never going to get into million dollar chip deals. We get samples. We build boards. We release the boards as open source. We collect our license fees.

Hashfast_CL just another shill and unethical player in the market place. If you want the full transcript of the emails and chats I had with HF sales people I can provide it. I don't have anything to hide from the community. You on the other hand have no ethical standing in this community and it is rightly deserved.

You are on ignore.
2198  Other / Archival / Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware on: March 20, 2014, 01:40:57 AM

I started my sentence with "Perhaps", implying a question or an idea for consideration.  Don't get your shirt in a bunch.

That aside, would you ever employ BFL chips in your WASP project?  If so, would you understand if I were to boycott you if I thought BFL deserved to go bankrupt and that by supporting you I'm supporting them?


I personally would never USE BFL in anything I am involved in but that is just my own take on BFL and the fact that Inaba tried to slander / libel me personally and get me fired. The other members in the WPC would have to make that decision as I am just one person with one set of ethical values.

Here is a list of chips I would avoid and vote down if the WPC was interested in using for ethical reasons and I would hope others avoid these chips as well:

HF Chips
A1 Pirated Chips
BFL Chips
Avalon Chips

But that is different than say slagging off Marto or Lucko or anyone who does use chips. I posted my own personal distaste for people using these companies products but again at what point do you say blacklist Black Miner or others for using HF chips? I would submit most of the effort should be brought to bare on bringing HF to account for their less than ethical behavior to our community. HashFast_CL is a huge distraction and should simply be ignored and people need to focus on education of the community and LAWSUITS against HF to bring them down. Same with BFL, Avalon and those pirate A1's out of China.

I am sure many might question the WPC for using A1 chips or using Minion chips if they have been wronged by Bitmine and Black Arrow but you know where you draw that line is important. I really think going after the company that caused the mess is the right way to battle against the thieves that pervade the community.

Having said that I would not be persuaded to buy boards or miners from anyone that uses these chips either but I am not about to make it my life's work to drag Black Miner and others like them to see the ethical light. Nope I'd rather tilt the windmill that is BFL, HF, Avalon and Pirate A1 chips before that. I think that is a fair and reasonable approach besides I don't have the time to play around in the 100's of incidents like this.

2199  Other / Archival / Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware on: March 20, 2014, 01:16:34 AM
People still buy Avalon Gen2 and will buy Gen3 chip based products I wish they wouldn't but they do. Same for for HF Chips. I wish fabricators didn't use chips from disreputable businesses but you know what there are plenty of examples of this and some better designs do come out the woodwork.

Point is where do draw a line?

I wish the team at Black Miner all the best but there is a lot of baggage with HF I hope you can weather that.

No one is blacklisting those who used Avalon Gen2 or will use Gen 3 chips or those who used BFL chips to make chilies etc. I don't see the value in going after Black Miner unless there is a direct link to HF as subsidiary or something like that.

You're not paying attention if you haven't seen people blacklisting Bitsyncom and the Avalon design.  The truth of the matter is that there are enough people in the world that there will always be another under-informed target.

It would be nice to support Black Miner and their products.  Unfortunately though, supporting some of those products also indirectly support HF.  If HF was open, honest, and humble I'd have no problem with that, but leaving countless people in dark, the underhanded tactics with the ToS, and their latest PR mouthpiece really isn't grounds for compassion and support.



I am MORE than paying attention. I was CHIP customer of Avalon and got mildly screwed. I didn't get BKKCoins, Burnin, Alten, Steamboat etc burned who lost millions and a few of these guys still haven't repaid everyone the outlay they put in as a result of Avalon not delivering chips and LYING outright about what happened to the chips. HF is no different than BFL, Avalon and unfortunately a number of other scams trying to pass as ethical businesses.

The point here is you are going after people who are buying chips and producing boards that didn't screw the community "YET".

I don't see torches at Marto's door, or those who built the BFL chipped boards or even a huge outcry for those miners being built in China off the A1 chips that were sold backdoor.

Where do you draw the line?

Ethically I agree you shouldn't be using HF chips but you know what the problem is HF not Black Miner or the others. In this case and others you can support the builder and hate the chip maker. And you should be warning people off HF as much as possible and you can rightly point out to Black Miner and others that HF is not a reputable company and you really shouldn't be dealing with them. But you know what if you bitch about Black Miner you have to bitch about the others as well who have done this before and continue to do it now.
2200  Other / Archival / Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware on: March 20, 2014, 01:05:51 AM
People still buy Avalon Gen2 and will buy Gen3 chip based products I wish they wouldn't but they do. Same for for HF Chips. I wish fabricators didn't use chips from disreputable businesses but you know what there are plenty of examples of this and some better designs do come out the woodwork.

Point is where do draw a line?

I wish the team at Black Miner all the best but there is a lot of baggage with HF I hope you can weather that.

No one is blacklisting those who used Avalon Gen2 or will use Gen 3 chips or those who used BFL chips to make chilies etc. of even the disputed A1 Chips coming out of Innosillicon. I don't see the value in going after Black Miner unless there is a direct link to HF as subsidiary or something like that.
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