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2281  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [New Electrical!] Klondike Mining Collective - Toronto, Ontario Mining Facility on: February 21, 2014, 06:56:26 AM
More amateurs trying to mine in a warehouse; when will you clowns learn? The rest of the world has already figured out how to do efficient power and cooling; and they can deliver it with a critical environment team that guarantees uptime and redundancy for power and cooling.  And thanks to efficiencies it costs about the same.... go with bullshit solutions and next thing you know dust and heat are going to fuck up your gear. 20kw? Are you fucking kidding me? We have nearly that much in just one cabinet. Your POE numbers in the back of a warehouse are going to suck, you'll end up spending 3x your net power cost from the utility once you try to cool things properly.  Sorry to shit on your thread, but seriously take a hard look at real datacenters.

With the right effort and the right team this won't be a bunch of numbnutz just slapping it together. There is a lot more going for projects like this than you can estimate when looking at the first plan. I would seriously look into the use of systems like what  ASICminer built in Hong Kong for cooling using Novec etc. There might also be ASIC fabricators that will produce units that are more suited to this in the coming months. I wish you guys the best. Wish I was still up in Barrie I'd be down the 400 in heartbeat to help out and invest!
2282  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Who here already pre-ordered the Monarch 28 nm Bitcoin mining card ??? on: February 19, 2014, 06:54:52 AM
Josh twitted:
Fully packaged chips confirmed arrived at testing facility just now.

twitted:
LittleDaddy ‏@littledaddy272  ∑ 17m  
@BFL_Josh and @ButterflyLabs are the most dishonest ASIC company in the world :/ #silkroad has more  integrity than @ButterflyLabs #bitcoin



Thatís what Kansas City-based Butterfly Labs has to contend with on an ongoing basis. Once a product is complete, you canít sit around and enjoy your accomplishment, itís time to move on to the next one.

ďBy the time you get a product flowing smoothly, itís already at the end of its life,Ē explained Josh Zerlan, product development VP at Butterfly Labs.

ďFrom when we start writing down the specs of the new product to when it is done and weíre no longer selling, itís a six-month timeframe. And thatís completely unheard of [in product development],Ē he said.

http://www.coindesk.com/takes-design-next-big-thing-mining-hardware/


6 MONTHS? LOL! The Monarch is now on 11 monts of development and still no chips are on a Monarch and being tested.
2283  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: February 18, 2014, 10:53:53 AM
Wasp


With issues still related to the Allegro PCB which are continually hounding the EE he has taken the step to cut out anything that could add time to the design, as it is hard to fight with this program version, he will put together a simplified 6 chip A1 board for bring up & prototyping rather than 3 different or 2 different chips on a single bring up board. This will not affect the Hive and other projects moving forward. We will see something from the fabricator this week hopefully and a full prototype to follow. Although these delays are really a software issue the members are keen on moving forward and we will do what we can to move from Cadence / Allegro PCB to something that isn't prone to kill weeks / months in fighting with the CAD.

More updates coming soon...
2284  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ntek 1.2th/s miner? on: February 16, 2014, 03:18:04 PM
Can you fart out and deliver a better miner?

Anyone can "do" a better website... it is never about the website. Ever!

And the lousier the website, the better the technological product!


Someone failed marketing class. Sometimes it's the best website that wins regardless of product quality.

Many a scam has had the best website. It is all about the product for miners. You got something that works and can ship today you can sell them all. The lesson endth here.
2285  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ntek 1.2th/s miner? on: February 16, 2014, 03:16:10 PM
Well, did you see it for real today?   Not sure what that transposed photo is supposed to show.  Blue stuff off a chopped image?
Analyze this!



Pfft. You look happy.

2286  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The "What Black Arrow does not want you to know" thread on: February 14, 2014, 05:08:26 AM


PG furiously stirring the pot. Shall I carve you a bigger paddle?
2287  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN]ASICMiner Publicly Looking for Potential Customers/Partners for New Chips on: February 14, 2014, 05:03:02 AM
Anyone actually contact FriedCat? Seems like 100's of PMs and emails and no one got a reply.

How do you know he got 100's of emails and and PMs? How do you know nobody got a reply? The people he replied to are working with him now, not announcing the fact he replied to them to the world.

Easily.

No one posted they got a reply. There are at least 30 people said they PM'd and emailed. Easily 100's have tried contact him. 5 or 6 from our own collective have tried. 0 response. I think the BIG INVESTOR idea probably the result. Money talks community has to walk.

Open Source ASIC chip beginning to look like the only real viable option.
2288  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN]ASICMiner Publicly Looking for Potential Customers/Partners for New Chips on: February 14, 2014, 03:33:08 AM
Anyone actually contact FriedCat? Seems like 100's of PMs and emails and no one got a reply.
2289  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: February 14, 2014, 02:48:05 AM
http://www.slideshare.net/hudali15/stupidity-spawns-creativity

Quote
The Role of Stupidity in Society.

Ali Anani, PhD
Managing Partner/ Phenomena Communications
Is stupidity a bad thing always? Or, does it have a dual role and can be rewarding sometimes?Are societies destroyed by stupid fools or there is an indirect blessed role for stupidity? Do we need to change our perspective on stupidity?

I shall not be stupid by not acting on the kind invitation by Magdalena to start a discussion thread on this topic.

Dear Ali, I invite you to post this presentation, here, on The Social Capital.

If we are not going to stick to the topic then please let us at least discuss the idea of Social Capital. Maybe some good can come out of the stupidity on display here. A more open and clear dialogue can happen between the actual parties who have a stake in this venture versus those who are merely perpetuating story lines in order to have people focus on their issues and agendas and not the issues of those who are stakeholders.
2290  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ntek 1.2th/s miner? on: February 13, 2014, 05:07:16 PM
Why is this still being discussed as though it's legit?  Huh
Because they are !
* ckolivas facepalms

LOL... got a mailing address? They might need some CGminer support.
2291  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ntek 1.2th/s miner? on: February 13, 2014, 05:05:10 PM
Oh snap pictures...

That is a certainly sexy.
2292  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: February 13, 2014, 04:54:53 PM
Just curious,

Will you be maintaining a list of vendors who have licensed your design so we know where to buy from?

Thanks!

Ben

We will do what we can on that front and let the community know who has licensed with us. Fabricators may pass licensing onto end users as well and we are prepared to  offer licenses to anyone that has a Wasp and Hive  in either case.
2293  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: February 13, 2014, 07:34:23 AM
What are the facts currently, does he have a facility with miners hashing away?
Has he ripped off anyone for BTC or USD at this point?

It might be all fun to point out a variety of posts made in the past and forgotten and not updated or revised but really where is there any evidence from his customers that he is ripping them off?

Again what does this have to do with Black Arrow miners? Way off topic is it? Sounds like someone is ego driven to rub Matt's rep in the shit and not ever try get to the bottom of things via a direct 1 to 1 chat on Gtalk or Teamspeak as has been offered. At this point I don't get one PG won't talk to Matt and get this resolved. He was ok travelling to see Josh get a free miner and dinner from someone we all know is a scammer vs just talking to Matt who many of us in this community have had dealings with all pretty much positive. I have yet to see anyone bring forward any evidence he is CHEATING people out of money or lying to them to get them to PURCHASE something like BFL might.
2294  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: February 13, 2014, 05:43:58 AM
NanoFury is more like the Klondike. Wasp is slightly varied from Nano and Klondike in that we are a collective of designers and fund projects together unlike NanoFury or Klondike that relied mostly on BKKCoins and VS3 to fund most of the project to completion. We are keen on an Open Source ASIC chip but that would require a massive collective effort of 100s of people.

I need to preface this with the unfortunate fact that my knowledge of ASIC design, or any chip design at the silicon level, is woefully inadequate. So if my question comes off as stupid, don't behead me Smiley

Does the project currently have people capable of designing an ASIC from beginning to end?

If so, what kind of costs would be likely (Best/Worst case?)

I can think of lots more, but it's kind of offtopic. Depending on the answers I get, I might start a new thread on the subject, or perhaps try to help organize such a project. Given the unreliability and in many cases downright shady actions of most current ASIC companies, I think the market would easily bear such a project.

We have some members who have been involved in chip design. Would they be able to carry it forward start to finish for us? Not sure but I think there are plenty of people in the community that could be called on to move this idea forward and the WPC would be open to working together in unison with others to build an open source ASIC using the same model we have for funding our own projects in the WPC. Drop me an email we can discuss it further but I'd be keen on moving this forward with a small group of people to explore what is required and what sort of ASIC would be best then bringing a plan, with all the cost estimates and invest requirements, to the community and moving forward from there. Essentially you need a team so there is no SINGLE point of failure possible.
2295  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The "What Black Arrow does not want you to know" thread on: February 13, 2014, 05:21:18 AM
I wonder why PG is unwilling to talk with Matt on TeamSpeak or Gtalk to resolve the questions he has?

I suppose it is more fun to assassinate people's character without trying to give them a chance to resolve the issue in a peaceable manner.  It is about ego more than anything at this point and little to do with being informative to the community, given that Matt has reached out to you PG. I find that telling. You were more than willing to give Inaba / Josh Zerlan time and traveled to KC and ate with the guy but Matt you rebuff? Wow. Sad. The IGNORE was the right move it is clear this isn't about edification.
2296  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales NEW STOCK ***NOW SHIPPING*** on: February 13, 2014, 05:16:00 AM

Yes, there's a reason many oem's are pulling out of retail.  There's tremendous workload associated with providing quality customer service, a solid refund policy and fast shipping.  Adding credit cards has increased our administrative costs due to the amount of credit card fraud.  In order to honor refund requests, I've sent millions in BTC and USD.  In addition, the presale market continues to set lower bounds on price, despite the fact the we ship and they dont.  Price fluxuations in BTC drive ROI models crazy, putting pressure on us to lower prices.  Leased haspower is at least currently demanding an attractive premium over offering retail.

MBP was and still is focused on building mines.  Retail sales has been a great way to involve the community, and initially generated some good capital, though we haven't done anything like the sales of KnC, Cointerra, etc. and in the face of 28nm, our product has become "legacy" equipment already.

All this being said, we still have an idea of what we are willing to sell our hardware for, and that is reflected in our prices.  I dont typically respond to price wars, nor do I ever engage on forum arguments about ROI.  The price point each miner will pay is a personal decision and everyone has a different strategy.  

If my prices don't appeal to you, I encourage you to shop around!  But I hope this is not perceived as a.lack of support to the community.  I remain committed to bringing our next gen products to this community along with continuing to field the best customer service and support team in the market today.


All valid points. Which opens up the market to new players.

Are the 55nm chips coming back to your site for sale Buzzdave?
2297  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ntek 1.2th/s miner? on: February 13, 2014, 05:05:36 AM
Can you fart out and deliver a better miner?

Anyone can "do" a better website... it is never about the website. Ever!
2298  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ntek 1.2th/s miner? on: February 12, 2014, 07:42:32 AM
The only info I have as of 3 days ago is... Boards were / are suppose to be at ntek today and expected ship date is the 17th...

Anymore news?
2299  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: ntekcomputers umm, wow, TERRIBLE attitude! on: February 12, 2014, 07:35:51 AM
How to handle his email as a customer sales representative.

Delete.

Problem solved.

Responding, even with a polite here are the facts email, might not be worth it with this sort of person given they are clearly looking for "confrontation" it might be unlikely to "resolve" this inquiry.

I don't blame people for asking for clarification from Ntek, and every customer should be asking questions, but really what harm is there in being polite when you are doing it? You might get the answers you want unless your intent was never to get answers in the first place.
2300  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: {BFL} Bitcoin miners sue Butterfly Labs on: February 12, 2014, 07:17:33 AM
A paid cheap shill. Give him a miner and dinner with drinks and he will tell all sorts of lies, attack people's good name all for what? The only thing of value is your reputation. Not that those lying for BFL care about that if they did they wouldn't be willing to lie to this community would they?

Quote
As it was in Anna Karenina, Madame Bovary, and Othello, so it is in life. Most forms of private vice and public evil are kindled and sustained by lies. Acts of adultery and other personal betrayals, financial fraud, government corruption, even murder and genocide, generally require an additional moral defect: a willingness to lie. - Sam Harris

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