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2321  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: {BFL} Bitcoin miners sue Butterfly Labs on: February 07, 2014, 06:13:00 AM
There are literally 100's of similar incidents of late, failed delivery, no refunds, poor RMA etc and the tip of the ice berg given how pervasive these issues are across the planet. It really begs the question how inept are BFL?

There are more complaints posted and threads started about BFL in the widest range of social media that any other fabricator. Partially do to the volume of orders but mostly due to the ineptitude on so many levels at BFL.

Let us all hope that this is not the last time BFL goes to court. Let us also hope that these lawsuits finally put an end to BFL. Their model for bait and switch and delay shipping is being shown to be a scam based on competition being able to design, sell and ship in cycles in the same time it takes BFL to push a single design out in what is always a 12 month design to product window. 10 months now on the Monarch.
2322  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Klondike - 16 chip ASIC Open Source Board - Preliminary on: February 07, 2014, 05:46:57 AM
NanoFury is more like the Klondike. Wasp is slightly varied from Nano and Klondike in that we are a collective of designers and fund projects together unlike NanoFury or Klondike that relied mostly on BKKCoins and VS3 to fund most of the project to completion. We are keen on an Open Source ASIC chip but that would require a massive collective effort of 100s of people.
2323  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Who here already pre-ordered the Monarch 28 nm Bitcoin mining card ??? on: February 06, 2014, 01:39:11 PM
nibb Ars Scholae Palatinae about 8 hours ago

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What BLF does is clearly a scam. This is how they proceed.

They sell per-orders, but already accept and want the money upfront, with the excuse they use it to finance the production of the device, they donīt risk their own money on producing devices which should be a huge red flag already.

Not a single company in the US does this, not sure how legal it is to accept money for something you donīt have in stock. Example, Amazon only charges your credit card when the box has left the facility, when its shipped. Not before.

While that is going the extra line, its not correct to charge something you are not going to ship soon, and by soon I donīt mean 1 year.

So BLF accepts money, and then says you can only request a refund for 2 months, they also claim that orders are shipped more or less in 2-3 months and here is the trick. PayPal, etc you cannot request a refund after 2 months have passed, so this is why they say 3 month shipment, they only want customers to wait at least 60 days so they canīt request a refund anymore, not to mention Bitcoins, then you lost your money already....

The fact is that BLF does not ship you the product at least 6 months (shortest ever so far), 1 years (normal) and some never received anything.

They claimed they honor refunds in their web pages but that is fake as well. They then published somewhere that they donīt process refunds anymore, but still in their order page they publish refund for 60 days and shipment in more or less 60 days. They donīt honor any of them and they back pedal on that. They send a canned email message to people requesting a refund, saying that orders are final and you accepted the terms of sales. This is not legal in the US as far as I know, you have to honor a refund if you did not shipped the product yet by law.

The fact is that once you receive your precious unit, for that those that actually do receive something, you will find out that it will NEVER pay for even the cost you paid. So now BLF mined on your money and once the Bitcoin difficulty increased to a point that your device will hardly not even pay itself off, then they send you the unit, this means 6 months to 1 years of ordering. Its a cash cow business for them. They get ton of money from pre-orders, only product a few ones, send this to those that complain, but only send them after enough months went by and they have mined enough money out of them, when they are used enough and are basically worthless, then they send you the unit. You are basically paying them so they can mine on your own money.

They launching their hosted mining services but yet have not shipped all orders to their customers. That should tell you allot, they HAVE devices, but instead of sending them to people that paid for them, they actually mine on them. They are mining on others people money. If they had not devices they would never offer such a service in the first place and would first offer such a deal only after all customers received their products.

I understand this and other persons want their money back after a few months because they are never going to make their ROI back, if you did not received your unit after at least 3 months of ordering, you can trow it in the garbage by the time you receive it. If you order a mining unit today, you need it have it mining at least in 30 days, and it will be useless after 6 months anyway. BLF ships you the unit 1 month or so before that time line expires. Example, you pay a 1000$ unit, you can generate lets say 250$ a month with it at the currents Bitcoin value, the difficulty increases each day, so next month that device will make only 200$ and so on. Then that device will only generate 50$ a month, then they ship the device, so now you paid a unit 1000$ that will hardly ever make the ROI back.

There is a nice discussion about this, but people that actually paid in Bitcoins, they lost even more money, if they would just had cashed their bitcoins out at todays value. Since the are never going to generate them back.

Iīm actually impressed how they can still operate so long under this model in the US. Any other business would be shut down or intervened right away. In my book, receiving money and not sending anything of value is a scam. ASIC devices are a huge scam. There only a couple of companies that have access to them, and most of them did similar lousy tricks like BLF, the only ones that generate bitcoins with this devices is BLF.

This company will shut down eventually, they have ripped to many people out of their money to evade this for longer, and once this happens, all this people that are still waiting are going to be left with nothing.

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2324  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Who here already pre-ordered the Monarch 28 nm Bitcoin mining card ??? on: February 06, 2014, 12:46:31 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114329.msg2749509#msg2749509

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The statement was that we did not refund preorders.  We did.  We are no longer taking pre-orders and we are not refunding orders that are currently in the queue, that's correct.

It was stated multiple times that all sales are final when you ordered.  What part of that were you unable to understand?  We can't be responsible for your lack of reading comprehension or ability to understand simple English sentences.  Sorry for your reading disability, perhaps next time you should get someone to explain what terms and conditions mean to you before placing and order.  Now put on your big boy pants and accept responsibility for your actions instead of whining to me why you are unable to function in normal society and you should be a special case.

People need to get their big boy pants on soon. The Monarch is going to cause you buyers remorse and ALL "PRE-ORDERS" are FINAL!
2325  Other / Off-topic / Re: And some more delays in BFL shipment plans / no shipment before 14th Jan 2013 on: February 06, 2014, 12:43:26 PM
Let's just accept the fact that the day these things ship, if they ever do, that the mining difficulty will have already made mining, no very profitable.

You are correct sir. The Monarch will be the same in spades.

2326  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Product Failures / Underperformance. on: February 06, 2014, 12:40:52 PM
Thread: Jalapeno and Single SC 50GH/s USB not working after few days 02-01-2014, 05:01 PM #1


 
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Jalapeno and Single SC 50GH/s USB not working after few days
Did anyone of you experience the miner not to be detected by your PC after a few hours/days?
I bought a Jalapeno and a Single 50GH/s which were not detectable by the PC in no time.
It never happened to me that any of the thousands of USB devices have failed in this was... but both BFL did.
Is this caused by the poor engineering of the products?


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Ug. Where are you located and what kind of power do you have?

Does your computer recognized other devices and are you using a hub of any kind?

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I'm in Switzerland Andi have a Corsair cx600. I used different Macs and they recognize whatever I stick in...


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Jalapeno and Single SC 50GH/s USB not working after few days
Ah, I'm not using a hub. My suspect is that they sold me a refurbished Single as a new one.

Look at the soldering of the ft232hq chip:



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I'm not sure, but to be honest I have never seen a blown FTDI chip on the bigger single boards. It's far away from the heat causing chips, and the single's power supply is actually grounded so it should not blow up the board if caps short.

I did have a unit I bought on Ebay come in and I *thought* it was going to be a FTDI chip. But looking in the USB port with a loupe showed me that the little wires inside of it were bent all over the place, which is odd. Took a port off a dead jalapeno board here, swapped it onto the single, and now it's hashing at 32gh.

So the problem could be a bad cable, or the port going bad.

C
2327  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: {BFL} Bitcoin miners sue Butterfly Labs on: February 06, 2014, 11:28:51 AM
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What takes REAL balls and REAL courage is to tell the truth and not be BOUGHT by BFL. Being a liar is pretty easy and the way of a coward or a sociopath I wonder which one he is?
2328  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: February 06, 2014, 11:08:34 AM
2329  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Who here already pre-ordered the Monarch 28 nm Bitcoin mining card ??? on: February 06, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Can someone dig up the same sort of post with regards to the 65nm and post these updates side by side?

Funny but I bet these "excuses" are pretty familiar aren't they?
2330  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: February 06, 2014, 10:30:58 AM
Still no answer.

Why are you not pursuing BFL and their continued sham with the Monarch?

Interesting. Very interesting.

See this is much more of an interesting discussion versus what Matt does to me. I am keen to understand how one of BFL's biggest critics stops posting cold turkey?

Can we get proof of the BTC going to charity? And why not donate that BTC to those who lost BTC because of BFL? Or even develop or build a legal fund to support people wanting to get their BTC back from BFL?

There's an idea I didn't think of. I should have donate a few thousand dollar to those who may have lost millions due to no my of own. Then you pay me the prevailing hourly rate for the hundreds of hours I put in, in just that one fiasco. That'll be fair. Why you're at it, perhaps you can organize a fund drive to collect the 1,100+ BTC that I still have tied up over at InstaWallet, giving it me, whereupon I'll return it once I'm paid back.

Meanwhile, ask Jason King what I've contributed to Sean's Outpost if by chance you missed that "mega" thread. Also, there's that Thanksgiving at Satoshi Forest I organized and spent a week on site sleeping with the homeless. Then's there's that Super Bowl banner project that turned into an Epic FAIL. Then there's that Bitcoin-themed flag race to atop Mount Everest. Then there's that Bitcoin 100 thingy. Then there's that autism group locally here in Sandwich, IL, that them young adults enjoyed, albeit only that one consisted of converting BTC to fiat. THen there's about (just shy) $500 worth of BTC given away to a myriad of small causes I opted to fund on this very forum due to certain things I liked about them. Then there's Dabs in Indonesia. Then there's edd and Rassah.

Ergo, the next time somebody if thinks about questioning my charitable contributions, I will stick it up their motherfuckin' ass so far...


Ergo let us leave the nice people in this thread to their sadness and keep pushing the BFL types to fork over what they owe.

How about that? I just don't get why someone can go 0 post on BFL after getting his coins. Doesn't seem like you want to answer that simple question.

At this point you seem to be blowing off a lot good work you did in the past to go after a kid just Uni age that is just trying to wheel and deal his way to be a millionaire and although it might look sloppy he isn't trying to rip anyone off at all not like Inaba and BFL who are still RIPPING off people for millions. Unless you have evidence to support that Matt is a scammer then please post it? Do you? No thought not. What about BFL? Why not get back on that hobby horse?

Please post the tx id of the donations or threads so we can follow up. No one is questioning you telling the truth here.  I am busting your balls on purpose because you're busting this kids balls for no good reason really. BFL is a much bigger threat to this community. If you are really that concerned then focus on the Monarch and that debacle.
2331  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: February 06, 2014, 10:26:58 AM
Please will all you big boys stop bickering. As you can see from my sig, I love you all. Now f*ck off.

That is exactly my point.

We can all poke the bear and finger point but why not do that with legit targets like BFL. Moving on.
2332  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Technobit Hex8A1 Coincraft in hand. on: February 06, 2014, 09:37:56 AM
Nice.

Are you going to push the chips harder to get more per chip? Get some oil or immersion cooling?


No i am not going to. Next step will be 255 to reach 260 GH and i will leave it there. That would be it. About immersion cooling i have good experience with it. It does not worth booth the effort and expenses. Besides i wana make some profit Wink so extreme OC and immersion just does not pay off


Thanks. Just wondering who might be testing the limits of these chips. Definitely profit possible I bet with this board hashing right now.  Will be following GREAT JOB! And Good Luck!
2333  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Technobit Hex8A1 Coincraft in hand. on: February 06, 2014, 09:27:56 AM
Nice.

Are you going to push the chips harder to get more per chip? Get some oil or immersion cooling?

2334  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: February 06, 2014, 09:17:55 AM
Still no answer.

Why are you not pursuing BFL and their continued sham with the Monarch?

Interesting. Very interesting.

See this is much more of an interesting discussion versus what Matt does to me. I am keen to understand how one of BFL's biggest critics stops posting cold turkey?

Can we get proof of the BTC going to charity? And why not donate that BTC to those who lost BTC because of BFL? Or even develop or build a legal fund to support people wanting to get their BTC back from BFL?
2335  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: February 06, 2014, 09:10:06 AM
Did you win the bet PG?

Still wondering why we are not seeing more on the BFL front.

All because you haven't seen a rotating skull avatar over on BFL's threads, doesn't mean I haven't been over there.

I did win the bet and Josh did pay in a timely manner. All of which will be donated away, with about a third of it already gone.

EDIT: We cross-post, B.

What does this have to do with Black Arrow?

Why are you NOT posting in the BFL threads?

You seem to be avoiding that question. I wonder why? Is it because as a provision of the bet you can NO LONGER post about BFL?

Donated where to whom? Can we have proof of that thanks?

That money would have been better to go to those VICTIMS of BFL don't you think?

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This is all off-topic and has NOTHING to do with BA. I don't see why we need to clog this thread with this stuff really?
2336  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: February 06, 2014, 09:07:11 AM
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The fact that I moved my hosting facility from MO> Den it public knowledge.

I was able to find the location of the building that you leased month-to-month, albeit you claimed to have purchased it, faster than digging up what little public announcement you made about moving to Denver. You never mentioned it on this forum from what I couldn't find.

BTW, was such a move required to be voted on by co-op members, for I'm sure there was an expense associated with such?

What does this have to do with Black Arrow?

Did you win your bet with Josh/Inaba?

Why do you not post in BFL threads?
2337  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: February 06, 2014, 08:59:21 AM
Did you win the bet PG?

Still wondering why we are not seeing more on the BFL front.
2338  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: February 06, 2014, 08:50:28 AM
Thread looks quite clean if you ignore PG, Ole and Jimmothy. I decided a few pages back they weren't adding anything of value.

It's getting to the point
Where I'm no fun anymore
I am sorry
Sometimes it hurts so badly
I must cry out loud
I am lonely
I am yours, you are mine
You are what you are
You make it hard

Wrong tree Matt isn't scamming anyone and has been above board on everything he has done so far that I can tell. Might want to go back to bashing BFL much much more to uncover there n'est pas? How about we have some insight into why you have refused to hunt on BFL threads anymore. That to me speaks volumes. Bet over? Did you sign some sort of GAG order? I find that story infinitely more interesting than Matt spending his money on security deposits for buildings in an effort to reduce costs and find better housing for his customers mining rigs.
2339  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: February 06, 2014, 08:41:08 AM
Matt Carson purchased a building in Rolla, MO.
Wired the building.
Started hosting miners in said building.
Then, moved to another facility in same state.
Added more miners.
Then moved to another facility is still same state.
Added more miners.
Now lives in Denver.

With only a couple or so people getting it, this doesn't raise any red flags, and I'm beside myself.

BTW, the key figure in all this is probably the escrow guy, somebody I kinda like, but look at the timeline of recent events and see if you come to the same conclusion.

So he moved buildings. Got it.

I already knew this information well before it was "discovered" and posted here and I guess a few others did as well. Don't see the problem really.
2340  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.99/GH/s, miners from $2.97/GH/s on: February 06, 2014, 07:35:11 AM
There is so much butthurt showing in this thread, there should be a NSFW label in the topic.

That's what happens when you pre-order. It's a licence to get your butt hurt by well-meaning and not-so-well-meaning hardware producers.

Good of you to chime in Lombriz, perhaps you're a customer who's also hurting, if so you've been categorized as a 'fanboi'. If you're not a customer, then you must ipso facto be a 'troll'.

There's a third category called 'mutes', that's reserved for senior management of BA on who's silence the whole game is played, a game where they and their customers always lose.



Of course if you've really been watching closely, you'll know that customers themselves are also being characterised as 'trolls' if they're not buying the '75% scam' in lieu of actual delivery of their gear.

So what this thread is really about is a few fanbois who love getting butt hurt while customers and everyone else are just trolling while we all wait for those dumb asses the mutes to say anything meaningful.

Cheesy



Was more looking for the point to PG's information still unclear what exactly I am supposed to glean from his posts tad confusing. He used to be more laser focused on his discoveries about BFL but seems to be losing focus on this thread. Can we get a conclusion to what you dug up already? But I get the thread devolved do to the push of BA products.
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