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2781  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Monarch on: December 10, 2013, 11:45:33 AM
Bicknellski, if you wouldn't mind, could you name some alternatives? KNC have stopped making the products I would buy, the Neptune is too expensive for me. Xtrememiners looks to be a scam.

Black Arrow
BitMine
Cointerra
HashFast
BitFury EU and USA

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Then there are number of other DIY types

Marto
Aauer1
Burnin
Bobsag3
Drillbit

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There are number of Chinese fabs as well. Antminer etc... and the latest LTC/BTC chip from "AVALON" could be a very interesting option.

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Best investment BTC or some Altcoins. You will kick yourself if you don't put something something in coins. Diversity.
2782  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Product Failures / Underperformance. on: December 10, 2013, 11:40:37 AM
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Is there any reason why they wouldn't ground the jally?  That just seems careless to me, but I'm a software guy.
A: in country with 3pins 220/240v the middle pin is gound, so the 2pin's doesnt have it.
    so, you either use all 3pins or just all 2pins.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354001.msg3904260#msg3904260
2783  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Monarch on: December 10, 2013, 11:36:35 AM


Not taped out. 2 to 3 weeks for that.

15 weeks minimum from tape out was based on their website till they removed the information.

Order today best case scenario?

18 to 20 weeks. Up to 5 months. 
While they haven't shared details of the foundry process, they apparently get the chips back in 4 weeks.  So the 15 week thing is old news now.

No the 15 WEEKS is what the process was from CHIPS being Taped Out. Nothing OLD... they are covering their tracks on that. Read BFL forums it is 1 week here 2 weeks there 1 week here then to Chicago and were not sure on numbers but wafers will be flying out.

Seriously... at what point does the same carbon copy posts about the same process become apparent to people.

Like I said. You can wait and expect RMA issues. Your call. You know the warning signs are there. There are other units available from other companies. It is your call to make.
2784  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Monarch on: December 10, 2013, 11:33:14 AM
There are PLENTY better options just look through the threads particularly in the Custom Hardware. Take your pick. 3 to 4 potential that ship well before BFL and some are a lot less per $/GHs.

If you are happy with delays and potential for RMA's can't stop you.


2785  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Monarch on: December 10, 2013, 11:25:02 AM
What is your estimate of when they will actually ship? They were always gonna be late, we ALL knew that (apart from maybe some newbies who did literally zero research before they sank a few thousand bucks....)

Question is....how late? A whole year like last time? Or maybe 4-5 months this time? Like if I ordered one now, do you think having one by say....April is out of the question?

Not taped out. 2 to 3 weeks for that.

15 weeks minimum from tape out was based on their website till they removed the information.

Order today best case scenario?

18 to 20 weeks. Up to 5 months.  April? But can you trust them to make that deadline? Really you are much better off avoiding BFL.


Why bother? So many other units available and shipping before that with PROVEN designs.




2786  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Black Arrow announces 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $1.49/Ghash on: December 10, 2013, 07:00:25 AM
Wait is Black Arrow a Chinese company?  If so what'll happen to all the btc payments with the big Chinese btc shakeup.  Are they still accepting btc?

Read this. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1sbefw/chinese_investment_banker_says_what_nobody_in_the

and this.

http://www.quora.com/China/What-is-the-situation-regarding-Bitcoin-from-the-perspective-of-someone-in-China/answer/Joseph-Wang-9?srid=FmS&share=1

Keep Calm.

Keep Mining.


Finally:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304854804579236211416212646
2787  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [The Wasp] Logo Design Contest !!!! on: December 10, 2013, 05:21:43 AM
Zexy.... Zzzzzexy. Option 8.
2788  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [The Wasp] Logo Design Contest !!!! on: December 10, 2013, 05:03:21 AM
Love me a wasp that is aggressive just one vote though. Are we about the tech? Or are we of the mindset "biker" gang? Maybe we are a very strong organization that will projects into being with our sheer strength of the collective and we are all nonplussed by the weak autocratic competition that currently exists in the community perhaps?

A little philosophy on how we want to work together:

Work in the Wasp Project Collective
 
Code:
In the WPC, work life is very different. Instead of throwing away democratic rights,
every member votes on workplace decisions in proportion to how much they are affected by the
decision. Not only do we vote in workplace affairs, but all members try and have a balanced job
complex.
 
A balanced job complex means that everyone would share empowering enjoyable tasks, as well
as rote tasks that are not as empowering or enjoyable. For instance, an EE might spend part of
their month doing accounting, documentation or support of newly paid lifetime members, or on
some other rote task. What this does is creates a single 'class' of members. In addition, when hierarchy
is needed, the task of being in charge is rotated. This ensures that a permanent hierarchy will
be unable to take over the WPC.
 
The fact that every member is able to review and understand WPC issues means that every
member can contribute ideas on how to organize and proceed, helping to maintain the equality
of power in the collective. One is always paid in shares according to the effort and sacrifice
expended. Since everyone hopefully works in a balanced job complex, the intrinsic effort and
sacrifice in each job would be comparable. If a member wanted more shares, she or he would
work more hours.

2789  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [The Wasp] 28nm ASIC Miner Open Hardware Development Project on: December 10, 2013, 03:41:28 AM
"Nevermind the Buzz. It's all about the Sting." - WPC delivers.
2790  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [The Wasp] Logo Design Contest !!!! on: December 10, 2013, 03:32:16 AM
Giant Asian Hornet. Also a good starting point.

2791  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [The Wasp] Logo Design Contest !!!! on: December 10, 2013, 03:00:00 AM
Hmmm nice.

Some good effort there.

Notes:

Careful not to go too bee... has to be more wasp.

More inspiration if you want to go aggressive with the logo.
Just a personal preference not what everyone in the collective might want though.


A paper wasp eats a Monarch Danaus plexippus butterfly chrysalis. Before it even emerges... all it needed was two more weeks.







2792  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [The Wasp] Logo Design Contest !!!! on: December 09, 2013, 04:05:41 PM
A few questions:
-Should the logo include the text 'Wasp Project Collective' or 'The Wasp'? Which one?
-Is there a specified deadline?

~W-M

What do you think would be best? The whole name? The Wasp Project Collective? WPC? Wasp? Possibly nothing just a sharp logo.

Deadline? Not sure. End of December or until we get a minimum of 9 entries from the community.
2793  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Isn't anyone else suspicious? on: December 09, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
BlackArrow has been claiming that somehow running a Bitfury mine is proof that they can deliver their own design.

They never made such a claim.  Instead someone visited their factory and took pictures of a bunch of bitfury boards there were running.  That's all.

I am, however, still waiting for an explanation of what all those boards are doing there.  They were said to be customers' boards.  If that's so, why haven't they been shipped out to those customers?

Drillbit / Bobsag3 they both had production runs through BlackArrow for their relative boards correct?
2794  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [The Wasp] Logo Design Contest !!!! on: December 09, 2013, 07:59:12 AM
Here is my ugly attempt of what not to do.

THIS IS NOT AN ENTRY.

My design thoughts as member of the collective.

1. Big or small you get the logo.
2. It speaks to socialist nature of a collective but screams capitalist pig dog!
3. A wasp.
4. Black and Gold. Big Bruins fan.
2795  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Open Hardware Project] Hive & Wasp - Prototypes Coming in December 2013 on: December 09, 2013, 07:50:47 AM
We hope we can do something different. But the chips are the BOTTOMLINE on anything. So there could be some great buys coming in February on chips hard to say.

One thing you can do is compare the BOM and gerbers and get a real costing on what these should cost. It will be open source hardware afterall. Also you can just buy the wasp individually do not need to go for a WHOLE HIVE right off the bat.

But Gamers can help you guys out... got run and clean up some of the messes I made on the Zoho Pages.
2796  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Open Hardware Project] Hive & Wasp - Prototypes Coming in December 2013 on: December 09, 2013, 07:37:59 AM
C) Out of the price range of most folks..........................  Roll Eyes

Another high price miner,I can read between the lines........................

Best of luck though....we need more competition  Wink

Where is the price? When these drop... what will BTC be in the dumper or in the clouds hard to say. Either way we can turn on any opportunity available as we are not restricted to a single chip.

Likely these will be LOWER than anything else and if you DIY you won't get anything lower than these units and you can control when they will arrive rather than waiting for another 2 weeks.

Unfortunately I do not see anyone concerned with price in the market right now. The Neptunes sold out in minutes right?

I think that you might be right that prices are too high but people are buying them even at ASICminer prices which these will not be at.

Also we are not likely going to do our own fabricated units for sale. We want to work with those who are interested in fabricating to the community and we will provide licenses with RMA support. At least that is our plan.
2797  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Open Hardware Project] Hive & Wasp - Prototypes Coming in December 2013 on: December 09, 2013, 07:35:40 AM
Have to agree on that.

The constriction we saw in BitFury was terrible on DIY people.

We are playing to the fact the marketplace for chips will continue to expand with at least some makers willing to "dump" chips in bulk. Also I see the 55nm drop in price to offload remaining stock as a great opportunity to get in with significant hash rate and then with our design slot in the newer chips never having to worry about PSUs, software etc. See Buzzdave's 5$ a chip in February remarks to see what where I am going with that train of thought.

But definitely we agree our community needs to do an OPEN SOURCE ASIC. We might be interested in working with others on that. Remember we will be able to add a new Wasp no matter what the chips so we are not hogtied too badly like those with a one chip solution.
2798  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Open Hardware Project] Hive & Wasp - Prototypes Coming in December 2013 on: December 09, 2013, 06:47:32 AM
Which type of wasps would you go for to fill your hive? Yes you can mix and match.

Hive with 8 x 24 Avalon A3255 55nm chips per Wasp would mine at over 230 Gh/s.

Hive with 8 x 24 BitFury 55nm chips  per Wasp would mine at over 440 Gh/s.

Hive with 8 x 6 A1 28nm chips per Wasp would mine at over 1.68 Th/s.

Hive with 8 x 2 Minion 28nm chips per Wasp would mine at over 1.8 Th/s.
2799  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [The Wasp] 28nm ASIC Miner Open Hardware Development Project on: December 08, 2013, 02:05:57 PM


The WPC is looking for a logo. We will be starting a contest later next week where our lifetime members will vote for a new logo designed by someone in bitcointalk and the winner gets 1 share in any ongoing WPC project and a free membership in the WPC. Keep your eyes peeled for the design brief in the threads and in the Services area.
2800  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Open Hardware Project] Hive & Wasp - Prototypes Coming in December 2013 on: December 08, 2013, 01:56:35 PM


The WPC is looking for a logo. We will be starting a contest later next week where our lifetime members will vote for a new logo designed by someone in bitcointalk and the winner gets 1 share in any ongoing WPC project and a free membership in the WPC. Keep your eyes peeled for the design brief in the threads and in the Services area.
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