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3061  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: November 12, 2013, 02:44:12 AM
Rant from our EE about the latest chip spec update:


1. Why are the designs less specific now Bitmine for the A1 chip?

2. Why haven't you specified the top-to-bottom pad distance, nor completely specified the position of the 0.2mm wide pads that carry the signals. Why have you done this? Was it on purpose? Worrying very worrying.

Please note your package has pads only 0.2mm wide and by not specifying your position this leaves us open to losing half of EVERY pad, if we are off in our guesses by only 1/10th of a millimeter. Only 100 microns, right? . And, that adds to the chips professed tolerance in your positioning of 50 microns. This is shocking. You need to include ALL the dimensions in the picture and table as soon as possible.
 
3.In response to a request to move the signals to allow for a ground escape between pins 8 & 9, you have doubled down by newly assigning pin 8 to Vdd (pin 9, a long vertical pad that forms the other side of the requested escape, is also Vdd). And, unfortunately, the pinout drawing is only related to the package drawing, in shapes. We should be happy that, at least, you fixed their pin naming to match the descriptive table that accompanies the drawing but we need Bitmine to really put out documents that are helpful
 
4. We will not be hand assembling A1 chips to the boards. These chips require robotics to have any chance at all and forget about hot-air-rework - if one of these chips is failing, we will have to scrap the whole board, at worst, or ship it with blue-wires and degraded capability at best.

5. Your promise of replacement chips for failed ones won't begin to cover the costs of discarding the whole board. We are going to design in a physical bypass for every chip, even though that will reduce our density by 20% or more in order to protect those doing DYI and others who buy from us.  
 
6. At this point given what we are learning from Bitmine we expect to have two-three re-spins of boards with these chips, before we get the footprint, solder stencil, and reflow curves right. That's four iterations before production... please Bitmine help us reduce that if at all possible by providing some decent chip specs. We want to have a reasonably good chance to succeed with your chips.

Thanks,

The Wasp Team
3062  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: 4.5 GH/s BFL - How is it so? on: November 12, 2013, 02:11:24 AM
I think the warranty only stands as long as they are making those devices.When the Monarch starts shipping,the warranty is over on 65nm stuff.....................................


So at least another 12 months.
3063  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [The Wasp] 28nm ASIC Miner Open Hardware Development Project on: November 11, 2013, 01:48:03 PM
Update News:


A1 "final" design specs for the chip have dropped and still looks likely December will be the ship date for the chips.

Avalon Gen I Chips looks like we have access to about 140 chips so we definitely want to push the envelope on cooling and density of the hive with these chips.

We will get some Bitfury chips to the EE in Seattle after the 19th so during that time the EE plenty of time to work on a number of items before the BF chips get mounted to the prototype.

Also as a side note one our members is keen on tracking down some ztex boards so if anyone has like 100 he is willing to take em off your hands. Contact me if you are keen to offload... they will have a great new home and be put to good use.
3064  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: NEW PROBLEM WITH REFUND FROM BFL LABS on: November 11, 2013, 12:54:06 AM
Hahah ok thanks
But the problem is bfl labs
Not my English



Correct.

And do not worry about the English. They have screwed you over like 100s of others. Thanks for posting the information.

1. They gave you a refund.
2. They have no PayPal funds with which to refund.
3. They stole your money.

Does that sum it up Jelin1984?
3065  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Blue Fury Miners V2 2.6Gh/s on: November 10, 2013, 08:59:55 AM
You are welcome... lots of threads easy to miss.
3066  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs 5Ghps or Blue Fury? on: November 10, 2013, 07:27:01 AM
Hello Friends,

I have an opportunity to buy one of the following devices, used and in hands:

- Butterfly Labs 5Ghps at $250;

- or 2 Blue Fury at $120 each.

My current rig is made by only 4 USB Eruptors.

Would you suggest me to buy the Butterfly Labs or the Blue Fury?

Thanks!

Blue or Red Fury... in stock easy choice there unless you are buying a used BFL unit. Think power consumption and noise minimal with the Blue/Red Fury's as well.
3067  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: DRILLBIT SYSTEM Miners - Thumbs 0.5 BTC (5 left), 8 Boards 1.6 BTC (11 left) on: November 10, 2013, 07:20:22 AM
I actually am interested in the boards but at 1.6 BTC that's over $600 at current MtGox prices.  According to the Coinish Advanced calculator there's no way it ever breaks even at that.  The price per BTC would have to go over $800.  So I guess I'm lost how they would be breaking even or making money?  I freely admit I might have done something wrong.

I tend not to buy things that are priced in BTC. I am happy to pay in BTC, but not price in.



Pfft... You bought BFL priced in BTC no?

3068  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [The Wasp] 28nm ASIC Miner Open Hardware Development Project on: November 10, 2013, 06:04:56 AM
Update:

Our BitFury Wasp prototype should be testing by the end of next week. Next meeting 6pm Pacific Time Seattle on the teamspeak server. Minute notes from today's meeting will be posted later in the Zoho Project page. Members welcome anytime on the teamspeak channel to talk with the EE's. The current designs are being done in PCB123® - Free PCB Design Software from Sunstone found here: http://www.sunstone.com/pcb123.aspx

Notes on Chips Order of Prototype Development for the Wasp:

1. BitFury chips in hand will be arriving this week and will be put into prototype boards by end of the week and live development update will be available via VPN for members interested in the design process.

2. Our EE in Utah will work concurrently on the Avalon chips he hasin hand already the development of this Wasp will be over the next few weeks updates will follow at the next meeting.

3. A1 chips still from what we know will ship in December but we are still waiting on chip specifications. Designs can be modified with in a few hours of specs being dropped and we have contingencies already in place for a variety of different specs of the A1 chips.

4. BA Minion chips are still on schedule to ship in February and chip specs should drop soon.

As always we are still open to anyone willing and interested to join our group we have a $100 USD membership fee and if you want to create a new project or support the current Wasp / Hive development a 2 BTC opt in will cover the costs of the prototype development as well as chip purchases. Drop me your email and I can add you to the Zoho Page.
3069  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Project Teaser] Hive & Wasp on: November 10, 2013, 06:04:22 AM
Update:

Our BitFury prototype should be testing by the end of next week. Next meeting 6pm Pacific Time Seattle USA on the teamspeak server. Minute notes from today's meeting will be posted later in the Zoho Project page. Members welcome anytime on the teamspeak channel to talk with the EE's. The current designs are being done in PCB123® - Free PCB Design Software from Sunstone found here: http://www.sunstone.com/pcb123.aspx

Notes on Chips Order of Prototype Development for the Wasp:

1. BitFury chips in hand will be arriving this week and will be put into prototype boards by end of the week and live development update will be available via VPN for members interested in the design process.

2. Our EE in Utah will work concurrently on the Avalon chips he has in hand already the development of this Wasp will be over the next few weeks updates will follow at the next meeting.

3. A1 chips still from what we know will ship in December but we are still waiting on chip specifications. Designs can be modified with in a few hours of specs being dropped and we have contingencies already in place for a variety of different specs of the A1 chips.

4. BA chips are still on schedule to ship in February and chip specs should drop soon.

As always we are still open to anyone willing and interested to join our group we have a $100 USD membership fee and if you want to create a new project or support the current Wasp / Hive development a 2 BTC opt in will cover the costs of the prototype development as well as chip purchases. Drop me your email and I can add you to the Zoho Page.
3070  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Bi•Fury | 5+ GH/s USB Miner [FASTEST USB MINER IN THE WORLD] on: November 10, 2013, 03:13:05 AM
I keep checking this thread to see updates from the op and all I read is whining from you and others. The price was set. He's not going to change it because you keep crying about it

All mining rigs / units are "overpriced".

I agree with you, we get it everyone, it is not a great deal you want 'X' btc per unit and with all this shouting the guy who is putting out a product like this is taking a lot of heat on pricing and people are missing the point of the guy putting a lot of effort into something that he is not going to make a lot on given the effort required. I suggest give the little guys a chance to get a product out then vote with your wallets and that will be a fair response.

Every thread where someone brings a unit to production has the same post leveled against it... it is TOO EXPENSIVE... we get it ... but the community needs to think about the REALLY REALLY expensive units that were getting sold that didn't ship, or were gouging the customer. The bottom line really is something like this even if the designer does set a profit margin a bit high it doesn't really come close to the time and effort involved to get this unit shipped. In the longer term we need to be a bit more understanding and support these efforts and work with the OP and see how to support this unit getting to market so both the community and the designer can build more trust.

Unfortunately this is just one more thread devolving... can we not focus on supporting smaller developers and getting more products out there?

If you want cheap units... build your own using the DIY designs available.
3071  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Blue Fury Miners V2 2.6Gh/s on: November 10, 2013, 02:47:41 AM
BF1 0:                | 2.018G/1.930Gh/s | A:410 R:2 HW:0 WU:28.4/m

Thought these things were 2.2-2.7 Gh/s?

This is with cgminer 3.7.2.  Any suggestions?

Support thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=319419.360
3072  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [The Wasp] 28nm ASIC Miner Open Hardware Development Project on: November 10, 2013, 02:22:02 AM
Meeting slightly delayed... will start on Teamspeak in about 1 hour and 10 minutes at 8:30 pm Utah Time. One of the EE's still on the road heading home.
3073  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Project Teaser] Hive & Wasp on: November 10, 2013, 02:21:32 AM
Meeting slightly delayed... will start on Teamspeak in about 1 hour and 10 minutes at 8:30 pm Utah Time. One of the EE's still on the road heading home.
3074  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Take care of Butterflylabs (BFL) on: November 09, 2013, 11:50:36 PM
ever thought its stuck in customs? you might need to phone your country's main postal service and ask if they know whats happend

"Cheques in the mail and so is your BFL order."

3075  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Project Teaser] Hive & Wasp on: November 09, 2013, 11:42:14 PM
Given the rapid increase in USD/BTC price we are setting our membership fees at $100 USD lifetime membership in the group and lowering the chip buy in for the A1 chips to 2 BTC. We are basing our prices on Bitstamp. That should be easier for members to get involved in the project.

We have purchased the domain www.thewaspproject.com so if you are keen on helping build the site ground up join The Wasp Project today and we hope to see everyone at the EE briefing tomorrow. Lots of great news will be on offer I am sure from both Utah and Washington. Exciting times for us.

That sounds better than the 1 BTC price for membership you had before.


1 BTC was set when the BTC / USD price was reasonably low not at nearly $400. We all have to adjust. Tomorrow when it is 50$/BTC at least we have the base at $100 USD.
3076  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL announces 28nm 600GH/S blade for $4680 on: November 09, 2013, 12:23:01 PM
Great photo, let's hope it's not true. If BFL don't suffer the same delays Cointerra and Hashfast have recently and actually start delivering late Nov early Dec i think they may stay in the game.  

They haven't got a chip to tapeout... that is the issue. That foto I posted was a direct dig at the BFL Monarch from us at Project Wasp... given the 3 other chips potentially coming to market from December through February, of which all of them are available to us when we build the Wasps and Hives... we have some confidence that our miner will be of a better value and appear sooner to the market than the BFL's Monarch. Given that there are at least 3 other companies that could bring chips and units to the market that beat the Monarch in price and speed if they ship before February... one can't reasonably expect anyone to pre-order BFL vapourware. Obviously BFL will be "delayed" well into 2014 given their past performance so it would be FOOLISH to put your order in with them given the other opportunities especially when all of them actually have chip designs and all BFL has is a faux GPU board and no chip at all.
3077  Other / Off-topic / Re: Did BFL sell their customers info? on: November 09, 2013, 05:28:44 AM
So is Inaba ever going to pay any of the bets he already lost over the years?

Or is this just a funny funny ha ha since we all know he doesn't pay his betting debts?

Or is Bruno playing him, "ha ha Inaba I lost the bet, I'll be paying you just as soon as you pay your own betting debts, remember that charity you owe to for example" type deal?

-MarkM-


Well it seem perfectly clear that he hasn't paid his lost bets I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would trust Josh given his reputation at this point. There is a reason there are double digit complaints here in the forums with regards to BFL products failing, BFL customer service being lax to non-responsive, and let us not get started on the refunds that BFL denied in direct contravention of FTC rules and the list goes on all one has to do is look at the long long long list of people forced to use extraordinary means to have PayPal refund them. Sickening is BFL... just sickening.

It would be interesting to find out the nature of the 'contract' for the telemarketing those vapourware Monarch coupons but to be honest why anyone would trust them with their private personal information given what they did to Xian01... simply on that alone they are not trustworthy in my personal opinion. Hopefully with the Monarch the road will end and BFL will simply cease to exist we can only hope but we all know that would be best for the BTC community.
3078  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Project Teaser] Hive & Wasp on: November 09, 2013, 05:22:40 AM
Given the rapid increase in USD/BTC price we are setting our membership fees at $100 USD lifetime membership in the group and lowering the chip buy in for the A1 chips to 2 BTC. We are basing our prices on Bitstamp. That should be easier for members to get involved in the project.

We have purchased the domain www.thewaspproject.com so if you are keen on helping build the site ground up join The Wasp Project today and we hope to see everyone at the EE briefing tomorrow. Lots of great news will be on offer I am sure from both Utah and Washington. Exciting times for us.
3079  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Picture of the New BFL Monarch Prototype 2 on: November 09, 2013, 04:54:28 AM
ELT Listed, FCC and CE certification?

Prove it BFL... prove it.

http://www.intertek.com/marks/etl/

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The ETL Listed Mark is proof of product compliance (electrical, gas and other safety standards) to North American safety standards.  Authorities Having Jurisdiction (AHJ’s) in 50 states and Canada and retailers accept the ETL Listed Mark as proof of product safety. Manufacturers are choosing ETL because it gives them a competitive advantage in the marketplace. Today, the ETL mark is featured on millions of products sold by major retailers.

What does the ETL Mark mean when displayed on my product?

The ETL Listed Mark indicates to distributors, retailers and customers that your product has been tested by Intertek and found in compliance with accepted national standards.


http://www.intertek.com/directories/

If you would like to report an ETL Listed product that does not appear to be compliant, or would like to report an ETL Listed product that has been involved in an accident, go here: http://www.intertek.com/contact/inquiry/?cid=1210&pid=305 and we’ll address your inquiry as soon as possible.


Confirmation: W3ITK-2013-11-09T20:36:59.6145218-05:00 <--- waiting for a reply from ETL on whether BFL and the Monarch have sent this board in for certification. My guess. No it hasn't and no they have nothing to send.

3080  Other / Off-topic / Did BFL sell their customers info? on: November 09, 2013, 04:16:19 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325638.0

Unless paying a telemarketer, calling all their former and current customers, is not considered a third party, I stand corrected.

Quote
Our Privacy Promise

We do not sell information about you to a third party.
We do not share your information with anyone else for their marketing purposes.
We use your personal information only to help maintain the business relationship you have with us.

~TMIBTCITW

Given PG is gagged because of a bet. (PG SELF IMPOSED CENSORSHIP BECAUSE BFL DOESN'T WANT PG RIPPING THEM A NEW ONE FOR EVERY ERROR) Given Inaba / Josh has yet to pay off a number of bets why anyone would trust him is beyond me.  Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191600.0

Continue the speculation here.
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