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581  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitcrane on: February 25, 2015, 08:56:13 AM
I'm wondering how many people else will post here a link to review by dogie?..  Undecided

Just those that support Technobit / Dogie I guess.
582  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitcrane on: February 25, 2015, 06:15:30 AM
Go with Bitmain Antminer S5 or Spondoolies Tech Yukon SP31.

Avoid Bitcrane as they are unlikely to have more products out and they use hard to get chips from a scammy company and Avalon has caused millions of dollars in losses to the community so avoid them just because it is the right thing to do.
583  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: February 24, 2015, 05:17:56 AM
...
And as mining gear becomes cheaper to manufacture and operate, bitcoin prices will continue to fall.
...
Care to explain ?

I fail to see how lower $/GHs (and J/GH) affects the Bitcoin price.

I do agree that miners causes a downward pressure on the price to pay electricity bills.

cheaper hardware doesnt mean lower btc, just more hardware lol

Higher difficulty.
584  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: Would a group buy of solar panels be allowed in this forum? on: February 24, 2015, 04:05:54 AM
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/electrodacus/120a-solar-bms-charger-lifepo4li-ion-offgridrv-wit

Need a good battery system and battery manager? Then check this kickstarter out.


585  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: February 24, 2015, 12:55:35 AM

Group Buy.

Problem Solved.

If I arrange one will you be the first?  Grin


Nope not keen on a single unit... not sure I am keen on financials of any type of mining at this point given the massive amounts of mining still being added to the network as well as the price drop. Also not keen on seen the "wealthiest" Bitcoin holders getting together to "talk" about the future of Bitcoin. I think that doesn't bode well for consumers and users of the coin. Plenty of other better investments out there besides mining.
586  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Next consumer model miner on: February 23, 2015, 04:50:23 PM
Since they've made exactly one home miner ever. Granted it's a really freakin' good one...

Lets be fair, if it wasn't priced to clear then it wouldn't be nearly as popular compared to S5s [if they didn't also have jet fans] or the Avalon4. Really the Avalon4 is what the SP20 should have been in terms of design.

Avalon seems to be a good miner and silent, but the price is just too far out there to be considered.

Question is the next home miner.

I suspect there will be few if any options left given the push to larger more powerful units in order to save costs.

No more "home" miners will likely be built in the next generation of miners.
587  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: February 23, 2015, 08:58:21 AM
Our warehouse here is ready with 1.5 MW transformer and 2 cent per kw power.

The warehouse is ready with evaporative cooling.

We are just waiting for new gen from  Bitmain or SP.

Waiting? For the next gen? 0 cash flow?

Wow. Hope you catch a break on difficulty and BTC price.
588  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: February 23, 2015, 07:56:48 AM
How is everyone missing the main point when Spondoolies says that the next gen is not for home use?   Huh

They will NOT be retailing single units. They will likely only sell large batches to industrial mining operations... just like KNC and Bitfury. There are many reasons why they would want to do this and I'm sure most of us have heard them all before.
I didn't say that. I said that our first form factor is suitable for large scale deployment. If there will be home mining market, we'll have other offerings.
We do intend to offer the best rates cloud mining with Genesis Mining.

Only bulk sales? I don't want to dive in on a whole batch of 30 on my own. I don't have the cash for that.  

Group Buy.

Problem Solved.
The group buys were nice PR, not a real commercial success.

Not suggesting you organize it.

Members of the community can easily pool their own coins and do this.

Suggest you avoid Bobsag3 and others with a similar pedigree but there are still plenty of people I suspect willing to mine given the replies here so far. Why they would is beyond me but I guess they want miners. If people are going to mine at home they will have to band together to get units.

I can't see any other way. Bitmain will move towards this model as well they know it is economical to avoid 1000s of customers and pair it down to 100's customers for the same return.

Lol youre not understanding hes saying they would need to be in the 100s of thousands in sales of a group buy for it to be worth it for sp tech , group buys on this new hardware is dead

You are not getting what I am saying.

Millions can be collected in a real group buy.

Been done before in this community. See Zefir's chip buys for example.

Hell I held 80K (721 BTC) in my hand for one order.

What is dead is home mining. Why would anyone POOL resources to then split it up and lose the potential savings of such a massive amount of hashrate?

I think that SPTech offering up a shared mine (farm) is interesting. Very very interesting. Why cloud mine if you can share resources and own the hardware?

589  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BTER.COM SCAM? THE THEFT PROOF! on: February 23, 2015, 07:18:00 AM
they are not scammer dear its just u r unlucky..have fath in ur self and stop wasting money in these type of thing stop investing now because the price is very low

Also this topic was created in 2013 so stop bumping this thread .

And the op last online on 2014 december ,

Bumping cause I was told not to bump.
590  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: February 23, 2015, 05:45:13 AM
How is everyone missing the main point when Spondoolies says that the next gen is not for home use?   Huh

They will NOT be retailing single units. They will likely only sell large batches to industrial mining operations... just like KNC and Bitfury. There are many reasons why they would want to do this and I'm sure most of us have heard them all before.
I didn't say that. I said that our first form factor is suitable for large scale deployment. If there will be home mining market, we'll have other offerings.
We do intend to offer the best rates cloud mining with Genesis Mining.

Only bulk sales? I don't want to dive in on a whole batch of 30 on my own. I don't have the cash for that.  

Group Buy.

Problem Solved.
The group buys were nice PR, not a real commercial success.

Not suggesting you organize it.

Members of the community can easily pool their own coins and do this.

Suggest you avoid Bobsag3 and others with a similar pedigree but there are still plenty of people I suspect willing to mine given the replies here so far. Why they would is beyond me but I guess they want miners. If people are going to mine at home they will have to band together to get units.

I can't see any other way. Bitmain will move towards this model as well they know it is economical to avoid 1000s of customers and pair it down to 100's customers for the same return.
591  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: February 23, 2015, 05:36:39 AM
How is everyone missing the main point when Spondoolies says that the next gen is not for home use?   Huh

They will NOT be retailing single units. They will likely only sell large batches to industrial mining operations... just like KNC and Bitfury. There are many reasons why they would want to do this and I'm sure most of us have heard them all before.
I didn't say that. I said that our first form factor is suitable for large scale deployment. If there will be home mining market, we'll have other offerings.
We do intend to offer the best rates cloud mining with Genesis Mining.

Only bulk sales? I don't want to dive in on a whole batch of 30 on my own. I don't have the cash for that.  

Group Buy.

Problem Solved.
592  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: February 22, 2015, 10:59:05 AM
Notice.

We will strive to update the thread weekly with screen captures and links to news and posts in the forums here that are important to the maintenance of the thread.

It looks as we move forward there are fewer and fewer companies to monitor and still fewer new companies entering the marketplace.

Most companies are now moving to the B2B model as they close down or limit their exposure to the consumer market.

We have updated the original rating post and we will post screen captures and news directly to the update post.

As mining matures the need for consumer protection or threads like these becomes less and less meaningful as the market has already changed away from the small time forum readers to business size entities.

At some point in 2015 it is clear the consumer market will be completely dead if it is not already. We will have to start following news reports instead of threads in this section of the forum for information.
593  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [SUPPORT THREAD] BFx2 Bitfury USB stick miner on: February 22, 2015, 10:42:24 AM
Interesting to see if some of the newer sptech or bitmaintech chips could be converted to Stick miners just so that people looking to learn about bitcoin mining have a cheap way to get involved. Asicminer newer chips possible as well. Can you get them in quantity to make a small run viable for the builder?

Mind you Bitfury is not going to give up their chips or miners to people playing around anymore those days are done given their in house development and move to a B2B model. They don't need the community anymore I guess.
594  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: February 22, 2015, 09:19:30 AM
Is Bitfury selling to anyone?

Seems here is some information that makes it look like Bitfury is no longer in the marketplace selling wholesale. Seems like there is a lot of slack in the Bitfury wholesale sales market I have not read anyone buying Bitfury in a long while. Anyone else seen any Bitfury wholesale news anywhere?

DigitalBTC Inks Deal With Spondoolies-Tech to Expand Mining Operation.
by Nermin Hajdarbegovic | Published on January 23, 2015 at 13:24 GMT


Quote


Australian bitcoin company digitalBTC is expanding its mining capacity and entering a new contract with data centre provider Verne Global.

The company said it is acquiring new bitcoin mining hardware from manufacturer Spondoolies-Tech, although the exact details were not revealed.

DigitalBTC did say, however, that the new hardware will expand its processing capacity by approximately 40% for a “small outlay” of about $700,000. When it launched in early 2014, digitalBTC relied on BitFury mining hardware.

The Verne Global contract will allow digitalBTC to reduce its power costs by approximately 20% across half of its power commitment. Verne Global is already working with digitalBTC, hosting mining hardware at its data centre campus in Iceland, which is powered by geothermal energy.

DigitalBTC CEO Zhenya Tsvetnenko said the new contract will help the company reduce operating costs and increase efficiency.

The company's focus will be on developing new software solutions such as digital X Mintsy, but legacy mining operations will continue to be updated, he added.


Sidestepping the consumer market

Quote
Another subject broached was the company's emphasis on the B2B market, a decision that has proved advantageous for BitFury, as it has largely avoided the negative public scrutiny given to its competitors.

Though he credits the move only to a "feeling" about the market, Vavilov is more specific about the problems BitFury has avoided with this decision.

He said:

"We decided to not deal with small clients, because it's a headache. We would need a big support team to support all these clients. When you're dealing with big clients, he's paying hundreds of thousands of dollars, but the headache you're getting from small clients can be much bigger, because for him $5 is like the last money."

Vavilov said that when looking at this scenario, he determined it would be better to spend energy on developing strong equipment instead of customer service. In addition, he cited the lack of awareness among consumers of the full risks of their investment.

"It is much easier to work with larger clients with whom you have established a win-win relationship," he added.

A native of Latvia and a long-time resident of Ukraine, Vavilov said that BitFury began making chips 2012, but that before this, he and his team had only experimented with CPUs and video cards. The chip won reviews from the bitcoin community, even as the company drew notice for then being run by unknown individuals.

"It's still the most efficient chip in the market, if we're talking about six-year-old technology," he boasted.
595  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: February 21, 2015, 10:40:49 AM
FYI I thought I would correct the AMT entry where it states no longer shipping units. It should read no longer shipping to US customers. In the chats "Joshua fat fuck Zipkin" Plainly states he will sell only outside of the US, as retaliation for the lawsuit.

As for new info, he is apparently living in Bulgaria as has been stated before. He is hiding out there due to the interest law enforcement has in charging him. Most of them local in state municipalities.

Any evidence he is selling these miners to anyone in Europe?

If not then no need to bother changing the rating. I don't see any evidence that he is currently selling anything other than a few bullshit responses using an alias in these forums to back his buddy Marto at Technobit.

I'll pull the info directly from the chats. The fact that the page is still up and one can order miners should also be a red flag that he is still out there scamming.

Here is the excerpt from the chat in my sig (back when he was actually reachable) Timestamped for convinence this should cover it:

[8/6/2014 2:14:56 PM] Opeium2: Which hardware are you moving
[8/6/2014 2:15:06 PM] Joshua: extra hardware
[8/6/2014 2:15:16 PM] Joshua: created fromthe extra chips webought
[8/6/2014 2:15:21 PM] Joshua: so we shipped everyones shit
[8/6/2014 2:15:32 PM] Joshua: and we have some extra hardware that we're selling
[8/6/2014 2:15:54 PM] Joshua: and we've designed theminers ive mentioned and we'll try and start
taking orders forthose on a per build basis
[8/6/2014 2:15:59 PM] Joshua: thats about it
[8/6/2014 2:16:20 PM] Joshua: and focus on a 5 megawatt farm financed by chinese investors
located in bg
[8/6/2014 2:16:22 PM] Opeium2: Whats the turn around really on any new builds?
[8/6/2014 2:16:29 PM] Joshua: 7 days
[8/6/2014 2:16:35 PM] Joshua: on new builds

Some more:
[8/6/2014 2:20:54 PM] Joshua: its wont matter
[8/6/2014 2:21:15 PM] Joshua: im not worried about selling
[8/6/2014 2:21:28 PM] Joshua: i just want these fuckers to shut upalready
[8/6/2014 2:21:33 PM] Opeium2: They wont
[8/6/2014 2:21:39 PM] Opeium2: not until all of this is over with
[8/6/2014 2:21:40 PM] Joshua: im just going to piss them off even more
[8/6/2014 2:21:44 PM] Joshua: even when it is
[8/6/2014 2:21:48 PM] Joshua: they still wont shut up
[8/6/2014 2:21:54 PM] Joshua: because they'll loose the lawysuit
[8/6/2014 2:21:57 PM] Joshua: and feel even more fucked


And some more evidence.

[8/14/2014 11:33:29 AM] Opeium2: That reminds me I was just wondering. I know you mentioned
you have no people...but what happened to your partners? Jim Brown. I saw mention of them and it
got me wondering about that? where are they in all this?
[8/14/2014 11:33:49 AM] Opeium2: I mean if they got a financial stake in this I would imagine they
would be doing more here to help you out
[8/14/2014 11:33:57 AM] Josh: not much
[8/14/2014 11:34:53 AM] Josh: what financial stake? in the debt?
[8/14/2014 11:35:05 AM] Josh: its not like we have dividends to hand out
[8/14/2014 11:36:16 AM] Josh: Jim does the backend, financials and thats about it. He basically
checked out after the case was filed. Hes still on board but just doesnt want to deal with clients or
sales.
[8/14/2014 11:36:41 AM] Josh: Alyssa does the accounts but she got another part time job because
we couldnt afford keep her on full time
[8/14/2014 11:37:21 AM] Josh: we basically let everyone in the US accept for a few part times girls
which hang out around the office for next to nothing
[8/14/2014 11:37:42 AM] Josh: and outsourced the office bg, and we focus on EU and Asian sales
via EU and Asian incorporated companies.
[8/14/2014 11:38:17 AM] Josh: cant do much with little funding and dont want to sell to the US
driectly until this crap is all over


Customer reports of orders?

None.
596  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: February 20, 2015, 08:16:20 PM
FYI I thought I would correct the AMT entry where it states no longer shipping units. It should read no longer shipping to US customers. In the chats "Joshua fat fuck Zipkin" Plainly states he will sell only outside of the US, as retaliation for the lawsuit.

As for new info, he is apparently living in Bulgaria as has been stated before. He is hiding out there due to the interest law enforcement has in charging him. Most of them local in state municipalities.

Any evidence he is selling these miners to anyone in Europe?

If not then no need to bother changing the rating. I don't see any evidence that he is currently selling anything other than a few bullshit responses using an alias in these forums to back his buddy Marto at Technobit.
597  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Sha256 miner with best hash to power ratio. on: February 20, 2015, 05:36:26 PM
Spondoolies Tech
Bitmaintech

of course if you want wholesale

Bitfury

Avoid the rest.

These companies will provide you the best options and prices especially if you have a larger order.

If you a just want a single miner to play with get something used that isn't overly efficient as you wouldn't able to make or recoup the costs really.

If you are not looking at Ph/s then you are not really in the game at this point and you'd be better off supporting the "network" by BUYING BTC and using it.
598  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide on: February 20, 2015, 05:00:59 PM
Bitfury... I am guessing is a solid buy for wholesale. Anyone ask or inquire about Bitfury wholesale care to comment?

For wholesale inquiries: sales@bitfury.org

So, this guide should it be for those looking for wholesale opportunities as well?

I guess it does.

I suspect in about 2 or 3 months that wholesale will be the only kind of opportunities available to buy equipment.

I also suspect that this hardware section has already become irrelevant.

20Mw in 30 days in Georgia from Bitfury.

Anyone else still playing with Th/s and not Ph/s numbers should just give up and buy BTC and hold right?


[Delisted Thumbs Up]
Removed Thumbs Up Companies for Lack of Shipping (30 days without a post or units shipped)

Nano Fury Project USB miner Last Post September 23, 2014


Although I'm not exactly happy that I'm no longer in the "thumbs up" category I think being in that new category is a fair status. Or if you decide to add a new category - something like "Retired Projects" or "Projects no longer in development" - you can move the NanoFury one there.

And thanks for keeping that list up to date!

I think retired projects is best. As there are going to be more and more defunct bankrupt or retired projects as we move forward.

Looking at these updates:

BTC Garden... bankrupt or closed shop?
Bitfury no longer sells product?
Asicminer no longer producing / selling?

Comments welcome.

Somethings will be different in 2015.

Bitfury only sells farms for mucho dinero..........  Roll Eyes

http://www.bitfury.org/products

Don't see a buy it now button do we.......  Roll Eyes

I thought ASICminer had another chip already for the next gen  Huh


599  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: TECHNOBIT fucked us on: February 20, 2015, 04:42:59 PM
Buying With Bitcoin: How to Get Your Money Back When a Purchase Goes Wrong

Remember do not buy from Technobit... or invest.

Technobit Awol.
Minersource site down.

Is it time for the I told you so?

Marto is still online, he's just posted a new BTCJam project yesterday.

https://btcjam.com/listings/35145-mining-equipment-heat-to-power-recuperation-project I'd be interested in technical details, but those percentages are a bit too far fetched even for me.

Actual efficiency of high end thermionic generators is around 10%.

I was looking at something similar last year, but left it with my "to try later" projects because of the following:
-components quite expensive.
-Only 5-10% efficiency to be expected

You can have a look at ATEG efficiency, as an example, or the following article:
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/dec/09/new-generator-creates-electricity-directly-from-heat
And the following explainations from a manufacturer that claims that
Quote
Generally, if you’re getting 2 to 3%
between power in and power out on a bismuth
telluride TEG, you’re doing pretty well.

http://www.physics.utoronto.ca/~phy326/xrf/APPENDIX%20C.pdf
http://tellurex.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/seebeck-faq.pdf


600  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [17th Dec] on: February 20, 2015, 01:45:53 AM
Why does Marto think he is going to get away with his long running scam?

Quote
Dear Customer,
Sorry for the delays.
We'll catch up with all the orders within this friday
Regards,
Customer service

When tomorrow morning did not receive the tracking number does not even try to write some excuses ...
Last chance to deal fairly with us
Order Reference DIFSRTQII -- placed on 2014-12-21
I don't need the miners, I need the money Sad

Refunds... obviously not rated properly.

Marto's trust rating -155 and dropping. What more is required Dogie?
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