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2201  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Tertiary/Higher Education on: May 09, 2013, 03:54:46 AM
Why are you even taking History if it's something you have not much interest in? For my "social studies" requirement I just took government and politics. Figured they would be good to know for business.

I'm assuming it's because the state of Texas mandates specific classes to be taken, one of them being US History, while other states do it differently.  I don't know how it is in other states, but in mine, I'm required to take this course before I can even grab my associates degree.  But I'm with you, I shouldn't be taking a class I have no interest in, and yet, I'm between a rock and a hard place, because unless I'm taking these classes I have no interest in, I have no hopes of attaining a degree in anything.  Which is why I'm contemplating dropping out, or in the very least, ignoring my "core" classes to pursue classes I actually do have interest in, despite not getting a little piece of paper once I'm finished.  I'm not really interested in the job market either way; I can't imagine the suck involved in ass-kissing an employer, but I've only had to do that for jobs paying minimum wage thus far, so I wouldn't know how it is being in a position requiring a college degree.  I'd rather be an indie-something than be a cog in a machine.

As for what the higher education is supposed to be about, you and your friend are kinda wrong on it, or at least are taking the wrong things out of it. It's not to force you to memorize stuff and indoctrinate you. It's not to give you a degree to let you get a higher paying job. A university can do something that no amount of self-learning can provide, which is that it can teach you WHAT is actually out there that you can learn about. Sure, you can Google and find information about anything out there, but you can't begin to Google if you don't know the keywords or the concepts to begin searching for. That was pretty much my experience while getting my degrees: some of it was reviews and easy A's, some of it was tedious stuff I wasn't sure that I'd need, but figured it's good to know about, and A LOT of it was stuff that I hadn't even considered or didn't know existed, that I learned more about after researching on my own, but wouldn't have even bothered if no one told me about.

Also, regarding your friend, there are plenty of "other ways" to earn money as a male nurse than in the medical/caretaker field Wink

(Honestly, though, as long as he can handle old people shit and piss, he's going into a field that will be in huge demand, now with baby boomers retiring)

I still disagree about the point of college.  As I've mentioned elsewhere (I think...), a university was originally meant to be a safe-haven for people to go and be educated, for no reason outside of a general want for knowledge.  Nobody goes to college anymore for knowledge; they only go because most every college nowadays has some logo saying "Get a better job today!  Apply now!", and there aren't a whole lot of Americans who feel they're perfectly happy with where they are in life--so I assume, from my time working in low-paying part-time jobs.  Once, I took a sociology class, and the professor asked everyone why they went to college; most said they wanted to get a better job.  I told him I was going because I was bored of working all the time, so I guess that fits the bill, too--although, my reason now is much different than back then, but I also haven't been working 50 hours a week lately, so I figure that has something to do with it.  Anyway, there's nothing I'm going to learn in college that's going to teach me how to swing a golf club perfectly on my first try so I'll get a hole in one.  Certainly, self-learning can never provide me everything I need to know for "what's out there", but that isn't solely solved by college; I can also go out there, and learn for myself what's out there (which I doubt wouldn't be lurking somewhere on the Internet anyway.)  Though you're right; you can't learn what you don't know about, I'm generally content with what I currently do know; I'm not a complex man, I don't believe, and I'm certainly not very compelled to learn too deep on other cultures, and I have no real penchant for science, though I do enjoy reading about it (not sci-fi, the real stuff Cheesy)  Knowledge begets knowledge, and I don't believe it's accurate to say only a college can supply that hidden knowledge that apparently no other entity knows about, but for a good 4k a semester, they'll let you in on the secret.  If anything, the only thing I'd miss is the social interaction, which, as I've come to understand, is the key to getting that job you want, so I suppose I'll have to find that elsewhere if I do leave.

Besides, Ivy League colleges keep pumping out Presidents with a complete and utter disconnect from reality.  This is not normal.  I once met an Ivy Leaguer; he was a dick.  Felt he was above everyone else.  He couldn't be wrong about any subject, because if he was losing, he'd remind you that he was an Ivy Leaguer and you were welcome to suck his hoo-haw.  But I can't really speak for all of them, based on my shallow experiences.  Anyway, I don't believe the point is why is people go to college, but how colleges are trying to adapt to student desires, and the student desire generally revolves around the prospect of money, and thus, a higher social status.  But maybe I'm wrong; I base this all on the only colleges I could hope to afford, which appeal to the lower class, from where I stand.  So I'm not entirely sure why rich folks go to college.  I'll have to ask one some day.

About my friend: he still hates nursing.  I believe this is a valid point; he's planning on dropping the debt-bomb to learn to do something he doesn't like for the prospect of money.  I don't believe it's a good idea for him to pursue a career like that, especially considering there are plenty of people in the world with a genuine interest in helping other people.  He just wants to live "comfortably", as he puts it.
2202  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Tertiary/Higher Education on: May 08, 2013, 05:55:21 PM
If they were to do that, they wouldn't need 13 years of indoctrination.

Good point; if anything, a few years of basics (reading, writing, arithmetic) is all a child really needs as a foundation for everything else they can learn, and that can be taught by any functional adult.  I got into an argument the other day with a friend of mine who decided to go for a business degree in fashion.  She's currently in a load of debt, despite having government assistance from FAFSA.  Anyway, the argument was that people could learn just as well without a formal education, and often times become even more intelligent than usual.  Her main retort was that nobody can get a job without a college degree and that's the main reason why anyone should go, which I couldn't fault her for, as she was right; that's the only reason people go to college anymore.  It has nothing to do with wanting to learn, but those 13 years of mental beat-down teach people that they have to learn, or else they'll "never amount to anything."  I should note, my friend is Asian, and happens to have the typical Asian parents who push their kids so far, some commit suicide.  She still doesn't know why the hell she's in college or what good a business fashion degree will do her Tongue  She noted, however, that she doesn't like to argue, which leads me to believe she mostly just wants to do the "minimum" so she can live a good life, while also believing there's no hope she'll get a job doing fashion, which she admits she now hates and hoped for another major, but she's already graduating so it's too late.  It's kinda strange to watch someone be on two sides like that, but she's not the first.  My best friend also follows the "do what you hate so you can get money and then you can do what you love" ideology.  He wants to be a male nurse.  I've already explained the field is oversaturated, and the fact that he doesn't like bodily fluids will probably stop his career early, but it doesn't seem to stop him.

I've learned more from self-education than I ever have from public schooling or my current college.

I know what you mean.  I've learned far more from YouTube and Wikipedia, of all things, than I've learned from mandatory education, and even more educational sites are cropping up; I've been using a website to learn how to code in python, at that.  Yet because I don't get a slip of paper to show for it, I suppose I'm always runner up to the guy who hocked however many thousands it took to get an "official" education.
2203  Other / Off-topic / Re: Thanks a lot ...KID! on: May 08, 2013, 05:58:43 AM
You should already be storing your coins in a personal wallet.  Don't be the guy who loses all his cash from yet another successful hack attempt.
2204  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Schumer: Itís time to go after the 3-D printable guns on: May 08, 2013, 05:56:26 AM
The last thing someone in power wants to do is allow the 99% easy weaponry.  You don't conquer a people by arming them.  You first take control of the most expensive military in the world, and then use it against anyone who disagrees with you.  It's hard to do that when those people who disagree have the ability to fight back.  It's hard to look like the good guy when you can't rush to someone's rescue, someone you've disarmed without them knowing you've disarmed them.  You don't give people weapons; otherwise, they might get the idea that they can defend themselves.  They might even collaborate against you, the guy in charge--madness!  What fool on top would allow this?  Divide and conquer: repeat after me.  Divide and conquer.
2205  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Tertiary/Higher Education on: May 08, 2013, 05:52:07 AM
I'm considering dropping out of college, myself.  Not that I don't love to learn, but I have a theory on the proper way to educate people, and it isn't by keeping track of every class they take, when they show up to that class, and telling them whether or not their understanding of a particular subject is good enough, or if that one point means they don't actually understand anything.

Needless to say, I'm probably going to fail my US History class Tongue  I picked up a lot of stuff from it, but I'm not doing so hot, on account of me not being able to remember who did what and when.  The "why", I get.  It's the rest that I neither care about, nor feel I should care about.  I aced my federal government class, anyway.

What I don't get is why I couldn't learn this stuff on my own; if I have to read the textbook before I show up to class each day, why shouldn't I just stay at home and simply read the textbook?  Why am I paying a professor to tell me to study, when I can study on my own, tell myself to study (or get a friend to do it,) and get the same experience?  Why this dependency on an outside force (which just happens to be under the thumb of a higher power) when every resource is there?  If I were taught how to teach myself in my first 13 years of mandatory education, I'd be in a much better spot right now.  Seems modern day college is nothing more than a debt trap.
2206  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Seeking validation, am I crazy? on: May 05, 2013, 12:34:03 AM
OP, I can confirm this.  I check this site way too much.  During the time when it was getting DDoS'd, I got a lot of shit done.  Now, I have to keep checking back here to make sure I'm not missing any important BTC related news.

Anyway, as others have suggested, the cure is to be determined to stay off the stuff for a while.  I, for one, have been putting off my work all day for this site, so I'm going to stay away from Bitcoin for at least a few days.
2207  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Will CNC be a success, and how much will it rise by? on: May 04, 2013, 11:38:14 PM
I have no idea what it is.
2208  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's get Dropbox to accept Bitcoin! We're about 4,000 votes short! (+ RAFFLE) on: May 04, 2013, 11:00:50 PM
Whoop-de-doodle, we made it!

Time to party.
2209  Economy / Speculation / Re: holy shit, china is going parabolic.. on: May 04, 2013, 10:57:15 PM
Very very interesting.  The largest country in the world taking an interest in FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY MORE FREEDOM

So any news on how India feels about Bitcoin?
2210  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: May 04, 2013, 10:32:59 PM
Yep.  You must be from the USA.  USA is a police state, but her citizens are the only ones I know of, as a bi-lingual Canadian born in the UK, who, at least some of them, understand liberty.

Most are trained to believe they're free simply because they live in America.  Thanks to this brainwashing, you get people like Viceroy, who believe "freedom" can only be achieved through being an American citizen.

I'm not kidding, either.  This is seriously what people believe here.
2211  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Just bought an Amazon gift card to trade for BTC. This is stupid. on: May 04, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
Have you tried the various legit markets?
2212  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin a Currency or Commodity? on: May 04, 2013, 10:26:54 PM
In economics, a commodity is a marketable item produced to satisfy wants or needs. Economic commodities comprise goods and services.

A currency (from Middle English curraunt, meaning in circulation) in the most specific use of the word refers to money in any form when in actual use or circulation, as a medium of exchange, especially circulating paper money.

Unless Bitcoin's service of "being a currency" counts toward being a commodity, I think it's safe to say that it is, indeed, a currency.  I don't think "wearing out computers" counts as a service people want.
2213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 29,000 votes on Dropbox website, will they start accepting bitcoin? on: May 04, 2013, 10:16:07 PM
About another 1k votes and it'll hit the popular page.
2214  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The legitimate purpose of military... on: May 04, 2013, 07:51:18 PM
Fuck you, I've had enough of this thread and your arrogant An-Cap preaching. Good bye.

You have some kind of odd obsession with this thing, despite the fact you seem to hate it; I believe this is a symptom of Asperger's, a purported form of autism.

I don't know if you've answered this already, but are you autistic?  If not, are you willing to get tested for it?  I know it makes little logical sense how it would apply in an argument such as this, but it makes a whole lot of sense to people who aren't autistic.
2215  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why does this forum prop up alt currencies? on: May 04, 2013, 05:47:27 AM
Why not?  It's all crypto-currency, and people wanna talk about it; besides, they're confined to a single board.  If you don't want to look at altcoins, stop looking at the altcoin board.
2216  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life? on: May 04, 2013, 04:47:42 AM
What's the difference between hentai of an underage anime girl and a dwarf?  All you gotta do is include a disclaimer that all the characters in your anime are over the age of 18 and some are suffering from Benjamin Button syndrome Tongue

You're basically highlighting the point of the anime group-- how the hell are you supposed to argue intent and age with a cartoon? As with all things though, it always depends on the judge. If a judge sees this thread and someone posting "fuck the government, I do what I want", it will probably make it harder for a judge to be impartial.

Judge smudge!  Fuck the government, I do what I want!  Grin

But the thing is, kiddy porn is bad because there's a victim: the kid.  Anime kiddy porn has no victim.  It's a classic case of "Stop liking what I don't like."  Like the sodomy law: if two consenting adults want to do things to their butts in a sexual manner, what does the government care?  Yes, there are naturally born pedophiles in our societies.  There's nothing a law can do to change that; it only eases the minds of people who demand order and control, that they go to bed at night knowing people who aren't like them can't be happy.  It's tragic, in the case of the pedophile, for nobody really wants him to be happy that way, but at least let him have his cartoon lolitas.
2217  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life? on: May 04, 2013, 04:36:32 AM
the vast majority of child porn is now completely victimless.

Quoted so you can't remove it later.

I remember some anime community bitching about a new US law a few years back that went after people who watch anime because some of the porn showed girls whose age was up to question. I think that whole grey area is a bit weird to defend, but I do think it's a bit over the line (kind of like making murder in movies illegal).

What's the difference between hentai of an underage anime girl and a dwarf?  All you gotta do is include a disclaimer that all the characters in your anime are over the age of 18 and some are suffering from Benjamin Button syndrome Tongue
2218  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) on: May 04, 2013, 04:09:19 AM
I could've sworn we've been over this.  As more people mine, the cost to mine jumps, and the less profits you make (until you're working at a deficit.)  As more altcoins exist, less businesses are guaranteed to take them (we don't even have most businesses on board with Bitcoin right now.)  Considering that robots will be doing all the work, without pay, you're better off issuing paper tokens for people to take to government-owned shops where you can get the food and other stuff you need.  It's a lot more efficient than mining; mining needs to stay specialized, limited to people who are willing to shell out the cash for the best hardware, otherwise it's a waste of energy.  It's CPU Mining Vs. ASIC, and there's only a handful of ASIC owners in the world right now.  If everyone had an ASIC, and everyone was mining, they would not be earning any profits, and even still, there would be a select few to accept them; the machines are working for free, after all, and when all jobs are taken by machine, there will be nothing to use all those coins on.

This system is not sustainable.  You may see short term highs while people slowly hop on board (meaning people will be mining at a profit), but the more popular your system gets, the worse it gets for the miners (which is everyone) until nobody can make a living mining, then we're back where we started.  I could probably write "IOU" on a piece of paper and get the same effect; it took a few seconds and some energy to write the slip, after all.  I may as well lob off chunks of my hair and use that as currency, since it takes a lot of time and energy to keep me alive to create that, too.  Since it's extremely common for people to have hair (like it would be, in this system, to have coins), it's the same effect.  I can't make a natural living through simply existing; there is no living organism which can do this, and we're no different.
2219  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Selling 15k ChinaCoin on: May 04, 2013, 02:40:57 AM
i thought it was a joke

Seems to be the normal reaction when another altcoin is released Tongue
2220  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) on: May 04, 2013, 12:23:33 AM
You could argue that art is the interpretation not the media, all paintings are essential just paints applied to a canvas. I think the computer mind is to logical to contemplate an illogical idea and rationalize it. I also think that computers would require emotion, maybe even soul before true creativity is accomplished. Any animal can move around paint on a canvas, not sure about a GOD but certainly nature has a huge effect, geometry is perhaps a possibility for computers to make a transition into art.

Another interesting thought is that idea that monkeys would eventually write a Shakespeare play given enough time pressing buttons at random, the same applies for pixels, inks and so on.

Another interesting aspect of art creation (and I'm going to be making assumptions based on my own talents in artistry,) is that art can be highly logical and very literal.  For example, realism: to accomplish realism, you must draw/paint in a very specific way which lines up with how we view objects in the world.  It requires a lot of technical ability, and you can get away with it without any creativity whatsoever (otherwise, we could make the assumption that every photograph is a piece of art, including the photographs of me speeding past a red light once being used against me in court.)  To create a perfect reproduction of life through a pencil requires only technical ability; computers do this already, and much more efficiently.

Taking into consideration the idea of monkeys and Shakespeare, can we then define art with the requirement of creative input?  Though a set of monkeys could eventually pound out Shakespeare, because they do not understand what they're doing, we cannot assume they understand a thing they're writing about, outside of being a random assortment of key presses.  Thus, although the two copies of Shakespeare, one written by the man, and the other written by monkeys, are identical copies, we can assume one is art and the other isn't.

At what point in time would a computer be able to create art, then?  When it has motivation?  At which point, it would need to have a reason to create, not because it is programmed to, but because it wanted to.  It would have to first experience pain.  We would have to reverse-engineer the human being.  Considering that our entire lives are interpreted through a series of electrical impulses in our minds, it could be possible, if we recreate the human mind with resources outside the normal flesh and blood, to invent an artist.  I imagine it would be incredibly difficult, but I tend to believe nothing's impossible.

If you ask me, that will be the final Turing test. When an A.I. creates an original composition that I recognize as "art," I'll call it a person.

Imagine if you could purchase an artificial family member and never tell the difference.  Anyway, in relation to the thread, I believe there's an odd connection between an artificial person and a real one; in one aspect, you know they're machine, but in another, you know they feel.
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