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41  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 13, 2015, 10:57:42 AM
Bitcoin is here, the agenda people are pushing is still in the same place.  The usefulness has to do with the technology and has nothing to do with the fantasy agenda.  The part about autonomous companies running off the Blockchain is also a fantasy.  While it is true that some things can be automated off the blockchain and those things are very useful, a company what provides goods and services is still made up of people and those people perform those services in some jurisdiction and they are subject to laws in that jurisdiction.  This hand-waiving "automated companies" claim is part of the misinformation by the agenda pushers.  these technologies are very useful on their own and attaching them to some unrealistic agenda hurts their adoption.

 you're not likely to halt the trajectory of those who are pushing Bitcoin as part of an ideologically held self consistent set of principles for changing the world.

There is no "trajectory," there is a small number of mentally ill people who are in an echo chamber.  Nobody listens to your agenda which is why you post your nonsense in a Bitcoin form.  That is why erik Vorhees leads off all his papers with discussions of the technology and why Ver keeps trying to associate himself with satoshi.  The so-called principals cannot stand on their own.

You have made the point that I have been discussing.  The people I am talking about are not promoting Bitcoin, they are promoting a fantasy which you call a "self consistent set of principles for changing the world."  Something which has zero chance of success which is why it is detrimental to lump it in with the Bitcoin technology.

This is how you look to normal people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVHLHfoWEHE&t=4m22s
42  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 13, 2015, 03:15:52 AM
Corruption can never be eliminated under any system.   Regulators can also never be eliminated because people don't want them to be eliminated.  People often won't do things voluntarily so it is waste of time trying to come up with a system based on voluntary compliance.    

You are presenting a false dichotomy. There are arguments to be had regarding levels of degree of corruption in societies and other means to enforce and regulate society that don't rely on either voluntary human good will or regulators with threats of violence.

Bitcoin is a case in point as it offers regulations and security within the blockchain based upon a combination of game theory , appealing to peoples self interest and greed, relying on cryptographic trap doors, and having a decentralized peer system to verify transactions. In this case it doesn't rely upon people voluntarily complying out of kindness as the protocol insures everyone complies regardless of intentions.

I understand this currently has limited applications but developers are already working on self regulating contracts based upon ricardian contracts using multisig trust less escrow and  oracles to offer regulation which aren't as corruptible and inefficient as traditional legal systems.

You may think we are idealistic but keep in mind Bitcoin was never supposed to work and make it thus far, and any competent engineer scoffed at the idea when it was first proposed because how ludicrous it was.... and now we are here.

Yes, some of these people are damaging my investment and I don't like them.  

There are bigger things at stake than your investment treating Bitcoin as some paypal alternative stock speculation. There are ethical and moral considerations to ponder.

So this is what I propose: We won't tell you how to use bitcoin and you allow us to peacefully carry out this experiment to fruition.



Bitcoin is here, the agenda people are pushing is still in the same place.  The usefulness has to do with the technology and has nothing to do with the fantasy agenda.  The part about autonomous companies running off the Blockchain is also a fantasy.  While it is true that some things can be automated off the blockchain and those things are very useful, a company what provides goods and services is still made up of people and those people perform those services in some jurisdiction and they are subject to laws in that jurisdiction.  This hand-waiving "automated companies" claim is part of the misinformation by the agenda pushers.  these technologies are very useful on their own and attaching them to some unrealistic agenda hurts their adoption.

As for Crazy loaf, anyone who doesn't agree with some stupid fantasy agenda is a "government troll"  and anyone who disagrees is "vomiting."  It is funny how Trace Mayer and Erik Vorhees have used the exact same "vomiting" line when I challenge their nonsense. 
43  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 12, 2015, 11:34:21 PM
...No, you will be "pushed out" as more reasonable people get involved...  

But it feels like you have a personal vendetta against certain community people. Instead of attacking others, you could take a different approach such as promoting the people you have trust in, people that have viewpoints and/or morals that align with your way of thinking. That would definitely be a much more positive way and you would gain friends instead of turning people off. You have the same negative vibrations in comments on other websites too. So this really isnt just about Roger. Its almost like you have become or are becoming what you most despise. And Im sure thats not you at all. Someplace maybe you were wronged, I dont know, but just sit back and think about the message you are trying to portray and whatever it is you are typing, ask yourself... will this be constructive? does this jive with you want to happen? What is it that you want to happen? Maybe thats a better question and then look at which ways, or which commenting method will help you achieve you goal faster. Anger and hate or promoting people that you side with. Thats just my 2c. I think generally we are all good people and instead of this little bickering we could just, you know, why cant we all just get along?Huh Smiley

Yes, some of these people are damaging my investment and I don't like them.  I think many more people are starting to see through their nonsense so maybe my messages will do some good.  Of course when you start arguments with people who live in an echo chamber it often does not turn out well. 
44  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 12, 2015, 11:28:23 PM

You live in a fantasy world where "certified" corruption and "regulated" crime is acceptable and small time criminals aren't. I do not make such distinctions and actively attack either regardless of their claimed philosophical beliefs. Sociopaths and Con-men are attracted to power like moths to a flame and thus gravitate to positions of authority you seek to impose on the rest of us through voted in institutions of violence. I understand your intentions may be well placed but it is naive to believe that corruption can be eliminated from states or regulators if we just try a little harder or vote the right person in next time.

Corruption can never be eliminated under any system.   Regulators can also never be eliminated because people don't want them to be eliminated.  People often won't do things voluntarily so it is waste of time trying to come up with a system based on voluntary compliance.   
45  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 12, 2015, 07:33:03 PM
I am talking about the Bitcoin nut jobs specifically.  There are many reasonable people involved in Bitcoin who embrace some of those ideals.  However, there is list of agenda-pushers and nut jobs involved in Bitcoin who routinely misrepresent things such as:  Ver, Vorhees, Shrem, Rassah, Tourianski, Popescu, Mayer, etc.  These are the people who are damaging Bitcoin's reputation and misrepresent what Bitcoin is.  They are the "Al Sharpton's" of Bitcoin and they attract the type of people who scare normal people away.  These are not the same type of people as those you list above.

We are all part of bitcoin. I understand it is discomforting for you to acknowledge their contributions to our ecosystem. They do not solely represent Bitcoin and neither does the Bitcoin Foundation. This is a open source collaborative effort where everyone has an equal opportunity to contribute or for media exposure. You just seem bitter that they get more attention than you think they deserve. You have just as much opportunity as them to get attention.

Rather than pout, why don't you take a more positive approach to promoting your agenda and join organizations like the Bitcoin Foundation?

I run my own web sites and do my own thing.  What I hate is when I try to explain Bitcoin to someone and they start bringing up all the nut-job stuff.  It is embarrassing to try to explain away claims such as Bitcoin will end wars when the clown claiming it is on the agenda of a Bitcoin conference.  The comic relief of some of the stupid things you see from these people keeps me going.  Actually I bought Bitcoin.me from that Popescu clown via a broker.  A transaction that normally takes 2-3 days took 2-3 months.   

My first day in Bitcoin was reading a thread of how everyone involved in Bitcoin should be on WoW because that is the only thing that means anything.  Then I was referred to Erik Vorhees description of BTC.  Then I saw the video of the Bitfloor guy in his skull cap explaining how he lost everyone's funds.  I tried buying Bitcoin and I found a guy who used my bank but I found out he was involved in MyBitcoin (I tried to buy bitcoinme.com from the same guy and he wanted $5 million).  I ordered mining equipment from that caplepair guy.  Then people started threatening him and posting pictures of his family when he didn't deliver and I alerted the police up where he lives.  Then you have Theymos, a guy who has the emergency alert key, promoting a fake bank using the Bitcoin Foundation logo.  No wonder Satoshi dropped out.
46  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 12, 2015, 07:03:21 PM

You seem to be under the impression that the cypher punks represented some idealist punk teens when it consisted of older cryptologists, mathematicians, and programmers. There is nothing to outgrow as many come into anarchist ideals from a lifetime of research and philosophical reflection. Do a bit of research before misrepresenting our history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitfield_Diffie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Hellman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gilmore_%28activist%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_C._May
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hughes_%28cypherpunk%29


I am talking about the Bitcoin nut jobs specifically.  There are many reasonable people involved in Bitcoin who embrace some of those ideals.  However, there is list of agenda-pushers and nut jobs involved in Bitcoin who routinely misrepresent things such as:  Ver, Vorhees, Shrem, Rassah, Tourianski, Popescu, Mayer, etc.  These are the people who are damaging Bitcoin's reputation and misrepresent what Bitcoin is.  They are the "Al Sharpton's" of Bitcoin and they attract the type of people who scare normal people away.  These are not the same type of people as those you list above.
47  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 12, 2015, 06:32:37 PM
The answer is to push these people out so they are not associated with Bitcoin to the average person the street.  

Bitcoin is an open source protocol which is open for anyone to interact with. You cannot push us out. Crypto-anarchists and cypherpunks gave birth to this technology and we will not be intimidated to leave or ignore the Raison d'ętre for bitcoin by coercive statists. You are free to use this technology along with us despite your disappointing philosophical and ethical beliefs. The Bitcoin ecosystem is a big tent and is open for everyone to benefit.

You disparage our ideology and principles but in reality should be grateful to the "fanatics" as we are the ones that will insure Bitcoin will survive and prosper. We aren't looking to scam anyone or looking for a quick buck but are in it for the long haul and will continue to support bitcoin as long as it stays true to its foundational principles.

No, you will be "pushed out" as more reasonable people get involved.   Not "pushed out" in the sense that you can't use it but pushed out by obscurity so that, for instance, the important Bitcoin conferences won't be dominated by nut jobs and agenda-pushers.  You are mistaken that the wing nuts will be the ones who ensure Bitcoin will prosper.  That may have been true early on but now it has turned into a detriment because they scare normal people away and make Bitcoin weaker.  Those people routinely overestimate the importance they have and the size of their market which is why they are the main source of pro-Bitcoin misinformation.  The anarcho-nut job market is not large enough to support companies like Coinbase, Circle, BitPay, and the many new companies that want to get involved.

The same think happened in the early days of the Internet you had people who insisted there would not be any ads on the Internet because it was for research.  Others claimed the Internet would be free from regulation, etc.  They thought that because they were the early pioneers that they would control things forever.  Remember when they all got together to turn the web pages black in response to promised censorship laws?  Not only did the people in power not care, the whole protest with black web pages had to be explained to them.  The same thing is playing out in Bitcoin.  The wing nuts are on the road to obscurity but they are doing damage at the moment.  You may think that once people do a Bitcoin transaction that they will be walking around with Ayn Rand books under their arm but I don't see that happening.

As far as being grateful to the early people, thanks for your effort and I hop you made money in the early days because you are on the road to nowhere.  Of course most will outgrow the nonsense and turn into normal people.  there is a commercial that runs on the 90's Sirius channel "You used to Rage Against the machine ... and now you rage against the washing machine" and they have someone yelling at a broken washing machine.   But Bitcoin is decentralized so I owe the early adopters nothing and they don't owe me anything either for promoting adoption or getting that mining ruling from FinCEN.
48  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 12, 2015, 05:10:52 PM
No kidding the system is flawed.  All civilizations in all of history have been flawed.  Your Waco video shows the system is flawed.  Everybody knows that.  That does not mean you completely eliminate the system and replace it with some fantasy system based on meme's.  You don't link the problems with your so-called proposed solution.  The point of the other link is to show that anyone can sit there and point to a bunch of Reddit posts and meme's but it is completely different story when you try to implement things in the real world. 

I have to disagree here. Real change happens when people work together for a belief of something better. For example if we all collectively decided to stop paying taxes. How would the impact the country? There would have to be immediate dialog. Obamacare? Maybe its good for a handful of helpless people, but its a burden on everyone else. What if people marched and forced all of congress to use Obamacare also? Change would happen pretty quick.

We are starting to see breaking points around the country and around the globe against the government cartels that run things. People are grouping together to find our own real solutions. Bitcoin is one of them.

Yes, like that guy in the video about Waco.  What he did was push for a presidential order to protect the FBI agents for whisltleblowing and he started whistleblowers.org with the money he got from the court settlement.  He didn't run around like some teenager and say the whole system should be abolished and that we should use a system people used when people lived in caves. 

There is zero chance that people will group together and eliminate the "state."   There is a chance that Bitcoin will force the hands of some of those in power and change some things.  However, when someone reasonable proposes some changes this is the way some Bitcoiners react:

http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/19/interview-on-lets-talk-bitcoin-no-137-the-eye-of-the-beholder/

(You may notice the guy who suggested "hanging" Preston Byrne is the same clown complaining about raising the block size:  http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/).  This lunatic crap is really a problem for mass adoption and the screwballs are pushing out all the reasonable people.  Using Bitcoin to end war, threatening to hang people because they are not Libertarian enough, discussing Waco, Silk Road, etc. all have negative impacts on mass adoption and you see how the exchange rate keeps tanking even after Microsoft announced things.  The answer is not to elevate nut jobs like Ver, Shrem, free State Project, etc.  The answer is to push these people out so they are not associated with Bitcoin to the average person the street.   
49  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 12, 2015, 02:56:53 PM
Every time I see a post from Milly Bitcoin, I just want to do this:


I don't do anything when I see your posts because they are worthless.  You go around calling people "trolls" like some teenager and you complain government is too big.  No kidding, everybody knows that.  Comcast is too big too and getting support is like contacting a government office.  So what about that?

As for a foreigner trying to get in, the US has no obligation whatsoever to accommodate someone or answer their complaints.  Just like if I went to the Saudi Arabia border and started complaining if they won't let in.
50  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 12, 2015, 02:50:00 PM
if some government employee is faced with the decision of blocking entry to Ver or letting him in they are obviously going to choose blocking him for any one or more of the reasons I listed.  That government employee has nothing to gain by approving his entry and will face problems if something goes wrong.

Which is indicative of a flawed system.

eta: When was the last time a failure of a governmental employee resulted in that individual 'facing problems'? I don't know about the little people on the front lines, but screwups on a monumental scale seem to typically come with increased authority, budgets, and pay.

No kidding the system is flawed.  All civilizations in all of history have been flawed.  Your Waco video shows the system is flawed.  Everybody knows that.  That does not mean you completely eliminate the system and replace it with some fantasy system based on meme's.  You don't link the problems with your so-called proposed solution.  The point of the other link is to show that anyone can sit there and point to a bunch of Reddit posts and meme's but it is completely different story when you try to implement things in the real world. 

51  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 12, 2015, 06:26:39 AM
The fact that someone renounces their citizenship is probably enough to deny them reentry.  in any case there is no obligation to give a non-citizen a reason.  Just like if I walked up to a another country's embassy and started demanding things.  They owe me nothing.

As for fears of terrorism, etc., threats don't have to be rational, just perceived.  many more people die on the highways than on planes.  When a plane goes down it is a huge issue but that many people die every weekend on the highways. 

if some government employee is faced with the decision of blocking entry to Ver or letting him in they are obviously going to choose blocking him for any one or more of the reasons I listed.  That government employee has nothing to gain by approving his entry and will face problems if something goes wrong.
52  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 12, 2015, 01:35:36 AM
Yes, you have several properties listen in your name in California.  Sell those and reapply.  Your rights in those properties are being protected by "the violent ones" anyway so I am sure you don't want that.

They were already listed for sale last year,  and that has no bearing on the visa issue.
Foreigners can own real estate in the USA.
Obama himself admits that they have a monopoly on violence:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D64KcZsD82E
I don't support using violence on peaceful people.

You don't seem to understand that you can't pick out one or 2 facts, these things are determined by looking at the entire picture.  You are also not going to get a complete answer by asking someone through a window at an embassy or entry point.

Apparently:
-You have property and other ties to the US.
-You run an offshore tax haven business
-You have citizenship in more than one country
-You have been in jail for explosives.
-You have made many statements about federal agents that could be taken as a threat
-You have renounced your citizenship
-You have a radical/fantasy agenda

Plus:
-Terrorism is a hot button issue
-Several Police officers have recently been ambushed and the statements they made before they did are similar to statements you make on a regular basis.

Like it or not, irrespective of what Ben Franklin said, people are going to be concerned about security above any of the issue you have.  You can complain all you want how this is wrong but it isn't going to change it.  if people feel threatened they will do anything and everything else goes out the window.





53  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 12, 2015, 01:18:38 AM


2. My visa is being denied because the embassy workers are claiming that I haven't sufficiently proved ...


The letter says they are not giving a specific reason.

Here is another letter where they gave the specific reason in writing rather than just in verbal form:

Yes, you have several properties listen in your name in California.  Sell those and reapply.  Your rights in those properties are being protected by "the violent ones" anyway so I am sure you don't want that.
54  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 12, 2015, 12:07:01 AM


2. My visa is being denied because the embassy workers are claiming that I haven't sufficiently proved ...


The letter says they are not giving a specific reason.


11. I'm not opposed to rules, or police, or government.  I'm simply opposed to all forms of aggressive violence.  If you think you have to hurt someone to solve a problem,  you are the problem.


That is not possible which is why your agenda is a fantasy.  Stop linking your fantasy agenda to Bitcoin.  As for the rest of your life ... who cares?  You are doing fine and if you want to sit there and cry how "the violent ones" are ruining your life then go to Bitcoin island and have fun.
55  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 11, 2015, 10:10:27 PM
Every time I see a post from Help.org/Milly Bitcoin on here or elsewhere online, I know that I'm in for tirade from a government troll. Nice to see that the pattern hasn't been broken on here  Roll Eyes

Yes, the whole world is a bunch of trolls and idiots and only a small group of underemployed gamers, teenagers, and mental cases actually know the truth.  Funny how that works.
56  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 11, 2015, 03:28:40 PM

Roger and I have not seen eye to eye on every issue. We've sent angry PMs to each other over a personal difference of opinion. I still have the PMs. I'm not, however, going to disregard his contribution because we don't always agree. Too many people in this community are willing to throw a brother away when they're down. It just ain't right.

He is some guy who bought Bitcoin and is trying to make a profit via the incentive system that is set up.  He is not a "brother" and nobody agrees to join any "community" when they use Bitcoin.  We are not "brothers" and Ver is not "down."  He gave up his citizenship and now he can't attend a Bitcoin conference and spout misinformation to promote his fantasy agenda.  Who cares?  It is a positive for Bitcoin to get this nut job off the agenda of serious Bitcoin conferences.

Wow, you really are a horrible human being. With supporters like you who needs enemies. Bitcoin isn't the community I'm talking about you fool. The users of this forum are and unfortunately you're a part of it. Regardless of their agenda his support helped this group of people advance Bitcoin. He is down. The tax authority of a ruthless country is chasing him around the world to steal his money because they need money to impose their will with force on the entire world. I've never said this about anyone here before, even the trolls, but listening to your pompous ramblings makes me sick to my stomach. Why don't you go fall off the edge of the earth. You do still think it's flat, right?


Ver wants to use the system for his benefit and he doesn't to pay his pair share.  Then he wants to use the situation to promote himself and his fantasies ... just like he is using Ross Ubricht's mother during the most difficult time of her life.  On top of that he calls the people who helped him get where is today "the violent ones" and "murderers."  I don't care what he invested in or who he got involved in Bitcoin I want absolutely nothing to do with him or any of his associates or followers.
57  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 11, 2015, 02:15:31 PM
I haven't met anyone yet that doesn't agree in principle with something he believes about the country. Presentation is everything though and he scares the little fluffy bunny citizens too much to garner big support. That's the reason they still don't have the necessary 20,000 people to trigger the move after all these years.

Wrong again, people are not scared.  People think they are ridiculous because they take things too far.  People value security above any political ideology and society is not going to change because some nut case who has not achieved much in life says so.
58  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 11, 2015, 02:11:53 PM

Roger and I have not seen eye to eye on every issue. We've sent angry PMs to each other over a personal difference of opinion. I still have the PMs. I'm not, however, going to disregard his contribution because we don't always agree. Too many people in this community are willing to throw a brother away when they're down. It just ain't right.

He is some guy who bought Bitcoin and is trying to make a profit via the incentive system that is set up.  He is not a "brother" and nobody agrees to join any "community" when they use Bitcoin.  We are not "brothers" and Ver is not "down."  He gave up his citizenship and now he can't attend a Bitcoin conference and spout misinformation to promote his fantasy agenda.  Who cares?  It is a positive for Bitcoin to get this nut job off the agenda of serious Bitcoin conferences.
59  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 11, 2015, 12:21:20 AM

No. He was an honest trader and the government scum set him up. Read before you blab, that link was in the OP article.

http://dailyanarchist.com/2012/11/12/bitcoin-venture-capitalist-roger-vers-journey-to-anarchism/

 In the meeting, my attorney told the prosecutor that selling store bought firecrackers on Ebay isn’t a big deal and that we can pay a fine and do some community service to be done with everything. When the prosecutor agreed that that sounded reasonable one of the ATF agents pounded his hand on the table and shouted “…but you didn’t hear the things that he said!” This summed up very clearly that they were angry about the things that I had said, not the things that I had done.


Something is badly wrong with justice anyways, when selling fireworks is considered illegal even though they were properly paid for (and not stolen). A proper sales contract between two private individuals, how can that be illegal?!?!?!

When you are up for a crime it is normal to consider both what is said and what is done.  It is also normal to consider some types of transactions illegal for a variety of reasons.  In this case it was accidents caused by people improperly handling or using the explosives.  Back when people lived in caves these restrictions did not exist.
60  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jesus ministry not to preach from American soil on: January 11, 2015, 12:16:16 AM
the people involved in the Free State Project seem to think so.

I think they are a comedy troupe now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg7YhXuyw5g

What exactly is wrong with the free state project? I'm actually curious, because I don't know you personally but someone I respect highly evidently trusts you so I'd like to hear it.

I had heard of them before and I thought it was good thing at first.  The first time I actually heard their show was the coverage of the first big Bitcoin Foundation conference.  I told my Dad about it and he was over when the conference was starting.  They started running commercials claiming all government workers were "murders."  Totally off-the-wall stuff.  Since then I have been watching the members of this organization talk about Bitcoin and there was quite a bit of exaggeration and misrepresentation.  It is not just one or two instances, it is a pattern.  What they are doing is using Bitcoin to promote their agenda and they attach the success of their agenda to the success of Bitcoin, hence the misinformation and exaggeration.

these exaggerations include claims that the Bitcoin economy is huge and increasing exponentially.  Another claim is that it is impossible to change the 21 million limit yet they claim it is easy to fix bugs and change the number of decimal digits.  Ver says the OpenBazaar is based on "blockchain technology."   Then there are the claims that Bitcoin will end war or somehow change the way the entire world works.  The vast number of potential Bitcoin users are never going to agree with this stuff. 

I agree that there is an erosion of liberties, government is too big, financially irresponsible, and all that but the Free State people are so far out they offer no benefit to Bitcoin.  it is true that some of those people blazed the trail for Bitcoin in its early days but now they are a detriment by using Bitcoin to promote an agenda.  You may notice that successful Bitcoin businesses are not promoting Bitcoin as a tool to end war, collapse governments, or replace the US dollar.

Thank you for your reply. War isn't going to end anytime soon, no matter what financial tools are at our disposal. I don't see the "replacement of the US dollar" thing. Bitcoin is designed to do just that. The dollar does it's job, and bitcoin does what it is meant to do. Or am I misinterpreting your words?

I think Bitcoin will one of many financial instruments and currencies.  I thinks banks will use it for money transfers, people will use it for remittance, unbanked will use it (it will not solve the problem of unbanked but it will be one more tool to help) and things like that.  However, there are several use cases where Bitcoin is not the ideal financial instrument and the whole world is not going to switch over to Bitcoin.  Decentralization is expensive and slow and many things are better done in a centralized manner and there is a real issue with transaction fees as the block rewards are reduced.  I do not believe the Erik Vorhees theory that the world's currencies are all going to collapse and the world is going to flock to Bitcoin like a "lifeboat."  If you listen to Gavin and Mike Hearn when they discuss these issues they generally put things in a proper perspective.  
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