Arguably it will be based on the market. Even as some people said the blades and USB miners were "too expensive", but according to who? Not according to the market.

What other entity other than ASICMINER is out there that is publicly traded, sells both hardware *and* mines (best of both worlds), can demonstrate a monster % of hashing as well as finished, quality mining hardware *with* warranties, and shipping out in a matter of days?

Not to mention the clear and regular updates given by friedcat, and the impressive dividends?

No other entity out there even comes close. In this case if you have BTC to invest, there is only one blue chip out there, so all valuations are meaningless when we're talking about a "flight or pull to quality". Until some other entity comes along that even matches some of ASICMINER's qualities, it really is no contest and I would not be surprised where the share price could go.

ASICMINER just reached ~1.8/share on both exchanges. Looking like a potential steal.

EDIT: Ah, just see the price got changed from 59 BTC - too bad somebody didn't jump on this!

Looking like a better and better deal now as ASICMINER approaches 2 BTC/share.

I believe you're attributing my words to Michael? Please don't put words in someone else's mouth. Nor proclaim that someone is not excited because they are not demanding that ASICMINER not hold back dividends instead of re-investing some into future developments.

Some investors just show excitement in another way, could you not consider that?

Agreed. Lofty expectations can lead to disappointment and anger that one is owed something. Leading one to try to dictate how things are supposed to be. Reminds me of the Stones song - "You Can't Always Get What You Want", or the meme "First World Problems".

Sometimes we need to step back, look at the bigger picture and be grateful for anything we receive.

Also keep in mind that if someone refers to a #bitcoin-otc WOT rating, make sure you have them actually log into #bitcoin-otc, ident them and PM you so you know it's really them.

Thanks keroguy! Was an easy and smooth transaction with him on my end as well.

I'd say it's more a nature of how undeveloped the BTC stock environment is. Most stocks have to be offering dividends because bitcoin in itself is a volatile investment, and for someone to give up just a slight bit of liquidity, they'd have to get something worthwhile in return. Most stocks do not have the track record to sell themselves as a pure value play.

An example of a stock that doesn't pay a dividend but may have a value play is Virtex (www.cavirtex.com), the main Canadian exchange is listed on Havelock Investments (www.havelockinvestments.com). Currently it does not pay a dividend. Although they say they may in a few months.

Disclaimer: I do not currently hold any position on Virtex shares.

There's also Havelock Investments as well:
www.havelockinvestments.com
Virtex the Canadian exchange, some mining stocks and TAT's ASICMINER passthrough are listed there.

And Crypto Stocks:
https://cryptostocks.com/
Vircurex and a bunch of alt-coin mining stocks are listed. There is also a 1/1000 ASICMINER passthrough there (ASCMDVCPT).

Yeah, but Avalon screwing with Avalon doesn't even make financial sense. The rumour was not very believable, but Avalon screwing itself at the expense of another company is even less so.

Anyway, agreed let's just move on.

Not sure why we are being so reactive or twitchy over this unsubstantiated rumour? Unless somehow we buy into it? I think we have to consider the source of this rumour and do some thinking. Is it more or less likely that the people would be unethical? Is it more or less likely that companies will even have the time to collaborate yet in this startup/wild west environment?

Also, do we know that someone is getting inside information from someone else? Or are we just making unfounded assumptions?

Basically, this should be a non-issue unless there is proof. Responding to such rumours/trolling only give them more legs.

I was just making the point that if the two companies collaborated, I'm not sure how that could be considered "illegal" or detrimental to the share price. Companies collaborate all the time, and as a shareowner of ASICMINER, if there is a positive outcome from a collaboration, I welcome it.


Using Lance Armstrong to compare to this situation probably isn't the right analogy. Probably you could use the analogy of IBM and Microsoft in the early PC days.

Also, what is one's definition of "unfair advantage"? Someone looking at ASICMINER right now as a potential shareholder would conclude that ASICMINER has an "unfair advantage". They have proven, demonstrable hash rates with mining, and concrete products that are shipping out right NOW - with warranties. Compared to the competition, they are killing them with this two-pronged approach. Should we ask ASICMINER to reduce their "unfair advantage"?

Should we not separate our own personal opinions on what is "unfair advantage" and just let the market dictate things?

Not sure if anyone was jumping to the conclusion that Avalon helping ASICMiner would be "cheating" or "unlawful behaviour" or a "scam"? Companies which have been competitors (i.e. Apple and Microsoft, Apple and Samsung) have also collaborated together, but is that considered "cheating"?

Also, the market dictates share prices. I for one would hope someone dumps shares based on any rumours that Avalon is collaborating with ASICMiner. If Avalon is collaborating and working with ASICMiner then that only helps ASICMINER. Performance and hashrate will override personal opinions.

No end time or end conditions specified - was this an actual auction or a Buy It Now (in which case does it belong in this subforum)?

Also if the winner did not officially bid in this thread, how do we know what the price was and if the seller actually sold at that price. Doesn't this invalidate the auction? Is there a way to prevent posters who do this from posting future auction threads?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bitcoin-Block-Erupter-ASIC-Miner-13GH-s-IN-HAND-SHIPS-IMMEDIATELY-NOT-BFL-/151041720632?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item232ac9c138
Bitcoin Block Erupter ASIC Miner 13GH/s *IN HAND* *SHIPS IMMEDIATELY* NOT BFL

Nice. This amount is approaching the IPO period dividends (but many missed out on). Cha-ching!

Smooth and easy transaction with Forex Master! Thanks for the kind words and likewise will deal with in the future.

Should we add the new micro-share passthroughs in this thread?

Sounds like this would be best taken up with OKPay? I am not them or represent them in any way.

Thanks gentleman! Look forward to dealing with you again. Also thanks to Brassguy (soon out of newbie purgatory) for a smooth transaction.

If anyone still has codes to sell, shoot me a PM and we'll see what we can do...

Thanks and would deal with again!