Hi thomas_s,

Do you have any updates on our situation since April (even confirmation of no new updates)? Thanks!

I think it would be really helpful to come up with some way to differentiate between buying shares in a pool and buying physical hardware as part of a mass order.

Technically, many of the hardware sellers aren't doing a group buy at all (which is when a bunch of individual consumers pool funds to purchase an institutional quantity of item at discount prices). They seem to be more like stores with a limited inventory, or the buyer purchases first/personal risk and then coordinates delivery to each individual.

More importantly, some of these posts are for "a share of something" and some of these posts are for actual physical hardware that is to be delivered. It would be nice to standardize on how that's depict - not necessarily via subforums, but with tags in the subject.

Example:


A similar convention is already being voluntarily followed to some degree to indicate if group buys are open or closed.

Just a thought to keep things organized, feel free to tear down (also this post probably belongs in a different forum)

Something is happening on the hashfast.com website right now, it redirects to old.hashfast.com (apparently they did not purchase a wildcard ssl cert) and they are saying "check in 45 minutes"  - anyone know how long that's been up?

Should ASICMINER be up there? There have been blades, sticks and cubes as the only real hardware you could reliably get your hands on for quite some time.

Whatever the difficulty is, it's always too high!

It almost confirms that they are Hashfast employees - it seems they all have been instructed to never post here again.

I don't think founders nor a VC would proceed with a business plan delivering physical hardware to customers that didn't include a budget for "customer support" as part of the business model. More likely, this is not a traditional VC/startup situation but more like "a bunch of unemployed/underemployed guys decided that this would be a pretty cool business to do", raised some money and ventured out into the cruel and exciting world of entrepreneurship.

Why is there a deadline? What happens after Friday?

Well, I'm glad I didn't delete one of them. I have them each currently at around 16G (total of 32G), is that what I should expect?

In my Armory installation, it is maintaining what appears to be a copy of the blockchain at %UserProfile%\AppData\Roaming\Armory\databases\leveldb_blkdata as well as  %UserProfile%\AppData\Roaming\Bitcoin\blocks.

Option-wise, I have "Let Armory run Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind in the background" and I have left both the install dir and home dir blank. The region beneath the directories defined as "Leave blank to use default datadir (...)" does have the correct \Roaming\Bitcoin directory present.

When I start Armory, files are updated in both directories, I only want to keep one. This is not a complaint about speed or load time, I'm just trying to recover <size of blockchain> bytes by correcting whatever is wrong with my setup. Any suggestions?

This is basically the response you did receive. He's saying you can't have any until late February, but in a way that makes you want to discuss it further.

How would taking your money be damning? That would just mean that they are still the same HashFast that they were yesterday, taking our money. They probably won't ship to you in late February either, changing nothing, and they probably would refund you in USD, even if BTC went up by 10x, which is not new either. A new low would be if they delivered to "you" before everyone else, but that's an expensive test and not really a lot of bang for your buck.

I'm not saying they are or are not treacherous, I'm just saying that this specific email exchange does not make them any more or less treacherous than they already are.

Honestly - how is that treacherous. They're a business; if you legitimately had 120k to spend on miners - someone from sales better fucking respond immediately if they had any sense at all. They didn't let you jump ahead of everyone in line, they didn't expose some ridiculously low price, they didn't overpromise. They didn't give you an answer that they haven't given to the paid customers and the roles that we need responses from (logistics, support, customer service) is not the same crew that would respond to a pre-sales email.

I'm waving my refund pitchfork too, but this is not another negative mark imo.

I am sorry to say but everyone who has anything positive to say here is discredited by the "5% discount to anyone who combats trolls post".

Also, paranoia comes from lack of communication, not because people are bored and want to play e-Private Investigator with Google Street Maps. If AMT would have a consistent message and delivered product, there would be customers here posting about their miners and support/performance/build quality (see other threads where companies delivered)

I get that people who "believe in AMT" want to blame the cruel, horrible troll world, but it's solved by delivering product. Taking money, not delivering and not communicating breeds all kinds of speculation. Reap what you sow.

Well, you always have to jump the ATX 24-pin to turn the power supply on. That's not Antminer specific.

I literally plugged two 6-pin PCI connectors into my Antminer, and an ethernet cable and was good to go. No splicing needed for this model.

Got mine too, no extender, but does come with 6-pin connectors.

Thanks sushi!!

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This is a very apt summary of the dangers of the siege mentality. I really want HF to pull it off and turn this around, but unfortunately most companies don't have the skillset in house to be able to do this. It's very difficult. When you're in the siege mentality, the default thought is that it's a storm that will blow over. "Okay, everyone will stop as soon as we ship/ship second batch/lower prices/keep not saying anything/fire a few people" but the storm never blows over. The only thing that fixes it is what you said earlier - transparency and reasonable compromise - and that's hard to switch gears to when just keeping the business alive is a struggle. (Most startups are in starvation mode for a few years, that's not specific to HF)

I don't think this is an integrity issue on gmaxwell's part. I think he created his moderation rules at a time where scam accusations were limited to individuals that were scamming people out of Bitcoin, not corporate entities that are engaging in questionable/misleading practices. BFL, and now HashFast, have presented issues which do not fit into the framework initially established and now gmaxwell is feeling pressured to honor the existing (obsolete) rules that he established with a situation that does not cleanly fit into the rules.

Rules need to adapt with changing times. They cannot be inflexible and expected to be honored. Every rules system has a framework for amendment.

There are going to be more entities which produce custom hardware and the business practices associated with said entity need to be presented as a package, not splintered across the forum for some outdated forum organization. The fact is that if you intend propose, design, produce, modify, distribute and support hardware which has only one function - to mine bitcoin hardware - there needs to be a place to discuss it. If the proposal, design, production, modification or support of the hardware is questionable, no one bats an eye - but if the distribution has problems, then all of the sudden we need to move the discussion to scam accusation? That seems ridiculous.

I think the integrity conflict gmaxwell feels is stuck between trying to honor very specific, but incomplete, rules he created a year ago and the fact that we can discuss every nuance of HashFast's hardware in this forum, except their failure to deliver that hardware.

Shipping the first product doesn't mean a damn thing if you cannot effectively distribute and support that product once it is in the world. Most of a business is the distribution and support. That's the most critical part, there should be a place for customers to discuss it, and for companies that have a clue, for them to come and discuss it too.

This is a public discussion forum and minternj posed a question. After a few pages of back and forth, the pool operator finally stepped forward and cleared your name. You made no statement of any kind until today. Now you have resolved the issue, and thank you for clarifying.

But why *delete* the thread?

Also, your point on that topic is off-topic in this particular thread, so please address any response in the appropriate thread.



More on topic: is that you long ago announced the specs for the new ASIC and confirmed that it is 400GH/s. However, in this thread you made several claims that the chip was running at 500GH/s and "way over 500GH/s". Can you please stay on topic and tell us more about the conditions used to get to these performance levels? If the chips are shipping soon, we'd like to know what we have to do to also see 500GH/s.