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on: September 17, 2015, 06:21:47 AM
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There is no voluntarism. We all act upon our conditioning, our environment and our biology. People seek food because they're hungry and require it to live. We seek shelter because we need protection from the elements. We seek water because we thirst and need it to live. There is nothing voluntary in life, which is another lie that capitalists exploit.
What is money? Who determines in your market place what money is? What happens when different market participants disagree? What if someone chooses air as their money, in which case they have little to no bounds as to their purchasing power. What's that? You don't accept air as money? Perhaps you don't need to breathe at all then...
The free for all market is a sickness that we invented and it's something that we can abandon. It's time has come and gone. We can live in a better system that doesn't require us to kill each other.
But you are advocating this communist utopia, as if (you admit it) that people are savages and do things from their instincts. How is your communist utopia going to function if everybody will just run amok and loot other people's work. Without a clear boundary (the private property) there will be no civilization, only strong exploiting the weak, it will be mob-rule, full of gangs that will loot people. Your utopia is a total nonsense, even if people were so enlightened that this would function, there are still predators in this would, that would strike as soon as people would let their guards down. Dont be fooled by so childish dreams, grow up and see for yourself how the world works.I advocate no utopia. I merely understand and point out that people are molded by their environment and respond to the biopsychosocial pressures that they develop with and exist under. In the context of a monetary market economy, where all rules are predicated upon "rational self maximizing" participants, the values and incentives are distorted in such a way that it causes people to behave so abjectly against their self interest that it is ultimately destructive to the individual and the environment. The idea of private property is exactly what allows there to be the mob-rule of the state that we have now. It has only been in the last few decades in which Americans and other western citizens have begun to feel and understand the squeeze capitalism places on people when the capitalists figure out that they can exploit them more and more when they control the state to a greater extent. If we understood that private property was an absurd notion and that we all must share and live on this one planet together, we would engender values and behavior beneficial to humanity. It is likely that some individuals would attempt to take advantage of others and the system, but instead of rewarding them with more wealth, as the current system does, they would learn that there is no real reward for doing so when everyone has access to the necessities of life and a relevant education. These individuals would be helped and studied to determine how we can reduce their numbers, not locked up and punished in a cruel and unproductive manner. A society that values human life over imaginary wealth would produce far fewer such individuals. It is not childish to encourage a different and better way of orienting and organizing society. It is childish to cling to the old destructive ways of doing things without clearly and honestly questioning your own assumptions and beliefs.
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on: September 16, 2015, 09:10:55 PM
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There is no free market. There never was one, there isn't one and there never will be one. Free market is an oxymoron. Free implies no rules or boundaries, market implies rules and boundaries. This is why the state must arise out of this contradiction in every instance. Without a third party to enforce market rules and norms, there is no market, only the worst form of Darwinistic mercenary behavior because that is what a market promotes and rewards.
Private property also implies some state authority. You can't have the idea of private property without the threat of those that are needy coming to take the more than fair share of stuff that you have. That is why the capitalists fund the police and military through the state.
No rules? That is stupid. The rule of the free market is voluntary trade. It's not like if you go to a store somebody puts a gun to your head to buy the stuff. You go there voluntarly. What no boundary are you talking about. The boundary limit is your money, you trade as much as you have capital, that is the boundary. If everybody does that, then no oligarchs emerge. This would be the most egalitarian society that you can imagine. Create wealth dont loot it!
Private homes is good. Private means of production is bad.
So if you bake cakes in your house, you wouldn't mind if thugs would came in there and steal all your cakes? You turned your home into a "means of production", or a "cake factory", so by definition, we need to take your home away and nationalize it. There is no voluntarism. We all act upon our conditioning, our environment and our biology. People seek food because they're hungry and require it to live. We seek shelter because we need protection from the elements. We seek water because we thirst and need it to live. There is nothing voluntary in life, which is another lie that capitalists exploit. What is money? Who determines in your market place what money is? What happens when different market participants disagree? What if someone chooses air as their money, in which case they have little to no bounds as to their purchasing power. What's that? You don't accept air as money? Perhaps you don't need to breathe at all then... The free for all market is a sickness that we invented and it's something that we can abandon. It's time has come and gone. We can live in a better system that doesn't require us to kill each other.
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on: September 16, 2015, 08:06:16 PM
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There is no free market. There never was one, there isn't one and there never will be one. Free market is an oxymoron. Free implies no rules or boundaries, market implies rules and boundaries. This is why the state must arise out of this contradiction in every instance. Without a third party to enforce market rules and norms, there is no market, only the worst form of Darwinistic mercenary behavior because that is what a market promotes and rewards.
Private property also implies some state authority. You can't have the idea of private property without the threat of those that are needy coming to take the more than fair share of stuff that you have. That is why the capitalists fund the police and military through the state.
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on: September 16, 2015, 12:15:02 AM
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Nowhere in your answer did you indicate a dollar amount. How can an economic system be responsible to society if it can not reckon the most important things in life? Upon who's subjective valuations do we rely as a society to determine who gets to starve to death or what part of the planet gets polluted? When we let corporations control education, what values and knowledge base will they want society to have? Probably not the ones that question their power and authority.
There is value in the world that cannot be measured in money. There is damage done that cannot be fixed by money. Money is a worthless non-thing that has killed too many and destroyed too much.
Corporations are a governmental entity that is owned by private investors. Sort of a private government to be more precise. There is nothing free market in a corporation, free market =/= corporatismHistorically, corporations were created by a charter granted by government. Today, corporations are usually registered with the state, province, or national government and regulated by the laws enacted by that government. .....
Generally, a corporation files articles of incorporation with the government, laying out the general nature of the corporation, the amount of stock it is authorized to issue, and the names and addresses of directors.Once the articles are approved, the corporation's directors meet to create bylaws that govern the internal functions of the corporation, such as meeting procedures and officer positions.
You fail to see the connections.... The state is an extension of the "free market".
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on: September 15, 2015, 08:03:56 PM
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What is the free market value of a human life? Of a livable planet? Of a relevant education?
Equivalent of that person's potential capacity to generate wealth/progress for the human race. A drunk/drug addict/smoking lazy welfare junkie wife-beater socialist drinking all day and watching TV, and living on other people's money is worth very low amounts. A creative/inteligent/inspirational person, that even if its poor, but has the potential in him to change humanity for the better, is priceless __________________________ A livable planet is very important, many companies are already concerned about the polution and enviromental hazard that is put out. Of course they are powerless agains the oil cartels, which are financed by the government in almost all cases. __________________________ Relevant education is very important. Have you visited a private school? I did, and they put tons of emphasis on the real education and development of the children. Plus they got caring and passionate teachers. Government schools have usually a mentally ill or pedophile person teaching many children, in an opressive, communist style "memorization" method. You are not allowed to ask questions, and you are always doing what the teacher tells you , otherwise your are expelled or failed. Very good method, what can I say.... Nowhere in your answer did you indicate a dollar amount. How can an economic system be responsible to society if it can not reckon the most important things in life? Upon who's subjective valuations do we rely as a society to determine who gets to starve to death or what part of the planet gets polluted? When we let corporations control education, what values and knowledge base will they want society to have? Probably not the ones that question their power and authority. There is value in the world that cannot be measured in money. There is damage done that cannot be fixed by money. Money is a worthless non-thing that has killed too many and destroyed too much.
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on: August 19, 2015, 03:50:43 AM
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Every monetary system encourages stratification, division, conflict and paranoia. The recent BitcoinXT censorship disgrace is a testament to this. Shameful but not unexpected.
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on: August 04, 2015, 05:34:04 AM
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isnt rbe = no money?
or did i misread something?
It's an oversimplification. Given a relevant education and attendant set of values, we would utilize the resources available to us to provide a high standard of living for all people, and do so without the arbitrary and artificial restrictions of a monetary price tag.
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on: August 01, 2015, 10:29:56 PM
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The problem with Rassah and other capitalists is that they think they can own everything, or that everything can be owned. This is a ridiculous and absurd notion. Promoting such a mentality is what drives the many and varied neuroses and aberrant behavior we suffer today. If people can't recognize that we are transient stewards with temporary access to the universe we inhabit, then they won't behave in accordance with the natural laws of nature to which they are ultimately subject. They think they can make up their own bullshit rules and laws that others must obey. So much for "freedom". Capitalists are egomaniacs who ultimately hire other people to do violence for them so that they can hold on to their idealized fantasies about having their cake and profiting off of it too. They cannot recognize that going against nature is a path doomed to failure and destruction. And what's even more unfortunate, the tiny percentage who think like this have ruined the planet for generations to come, who had no part of nor say in the matter. They will look back at us in wonder and horror at the ideas and institutions we actually promoted and operated under. They are the victims of this "voluntary" system.
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on: July 24, 2015, 04:23:49 AM
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Nice capitalist propaganda. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as, nor can there be, a "free market". We are all bound by the limitations of reality and universal natural laws. What's so unnatural about people wanting to voluntarily trade for mutual benefit? It's not voluntary.
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on: July 23, 2015, 03:58:03 AM
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Nice capitalist propaganda. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as, nor can there be, a "free market". We are all bound by the limitations of reality and universal natural laws. To pretend otherwise, as we have been doing for centuries, has proven disastrous. The kind of "education" advocated is no education at all, merely the instillation of values detrimental to humanity and the environment. The free for all market mentality only benefits the few psychopaths and control freaks who seek dominance over all else. The system is designed to perpetuate the values of the few at the expense of the lives of the many. Attributing anything to "human nature" is a cop out, as there is no significant human nature to speak of. We must all learn the complex social and other behaviors that will allow us to negotiate our environment. But the fact that for a brief time, we had to be subjugated to the whims of governments and capitalists does not justify continuing this destructive system. It is not natural to destroy our planet so that a few people can make some money. To honestly believe this is a mental illness.
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Other / Meta / Re: Post here if your account was *NOT* hacked
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on: May 25, 2015, 11:59:17 PM
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My key fingerprint is F779CEC0F773D3EE8DE548A1DA63B406EFE7FB18.
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on: May 25, 2015, 11:31:01 PM
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