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461  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 21, 2015, 03:37:37 PM
ah, iCE coming to his senses.  thank you.

tvbcof, otoh, still a flaming idiot troll little dog:

https://people.xiph.org/~greg/cypherdoc_fraud_hearing_1.mp3

Primary sources are our friends; gossip is not.   Smiley

Guess im not trained enough in hearing english in order to understand this really. Maybe some other reader can write what the file is about? Its long too.  Roll Eyes

But maybe you can tell why you think that payment is justified. You are the only one yet, i read of, that thinks he could deliver anything near or over 3000Bitcoins worth.

Best I can tell, iCEBREAKER is saying that cypherdoc helped scam people fair and square, and attempts to use 'violence' to clawback the ill-begotten 'nobly achieved' gains from him are improper.

This seems to be the standard party line from the hard-core Libertarian wing throughout the history of Bitcoin (or at least since I've been involved.)  I've actually come around to this viewpoint somewhat relative to my initial stance.  That said, I don't really believe that calling attention to cypherdoc's malfeasance are 'violence' in the standard form (such as use/mis-use of the state sponsored judicial system.)  Cypherdoc made a big thing of all the due dilligence he did before pumping Hashfast (and nothing at all of the money he was making shilling for them which, in fact, he tried to hide to the extent that he would flat-out lie to Maxwell about it.)

Cypherdoc can keep his money as far as I'm concerned (which is easy for me to say as someone who didn't even bother to know what-the-fuck Hashfast was much less send them (and cypherdoc) a bunch of my BTC.)  What comes around goes around.  In the mean time, informing people of his reliability in terms research and suggestions and the like should offend no one.  Not even uber-Libertarians.

Don't believe tvbcof's malicious, defamatory gossip.  His distorted version of events is not supported by the primary source.

It's not about what *I'm* saying, it's about what the Judge is saying.

Clue for clueless tvbcof: the Judge didn't mention "the standard party line from the hard-core Libertarian wing throughout the history of Bitcoin."

We know you hate Ayn Rand with the fiery intolerance of a supervolcano, but please don't flat-out lie to SebastianJu about what was said and decided at the hearing.

All that happened was that cypherdoc got a 10% sales commission for helping HF fund their ASIC.

Unfortunately BTC's price and difficulty shot up faster than HF could build their machines.  But cypherdoc had nothing to do with that.

That's why the judge ruled the lawyers, having destroyed the company itself and now desperately looking for a way to pay themselves, could not take his coins (at this time).
462  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 21, 2015, 03:16:56 PM
$DJI continuing the process of catching down to the $DJT:

463  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 10:56:29 PM
WTH is wrong with you iCEBLow? You must have a multiple personality disorder because in this thread you you call me a shill while pretending to be an innocent bystander of HF but in the original HF thread you continue to be the most hated HF shill of all and continue to troll everyone there. Everyone needs to go to this link and read just a few pages forward and back to see what I mean:

Quick, sell all your Bitcoin because I'm associated with it!

 Kiss

Admit it that you are jealous on cypherdoc for siphoning more coins than you.

I think most of the shady crappy people here are jealous of cyperdoc, deep down, all they wanted was more money anyways...

So true!  The only reason to buy an ASIC is because you want leveraged exposure to the price of BTC.

These spoiled whining brats are shifting undue blame onto HF because

1) they risked more than they could afford to lose
2) they believed in the myth of windfall "refunds" paid from "secret escrow" accounts
3) they can't handle the fact the price of BTC went down from the $1200 ATH instead of up, and their desired leverage backfired

It's like they've never before heard of a high-tech start-up's ambitious first product having birthing pains.  What green-horned noobs!

They had their chance to prove in court HF was a scam.  They failed, and so tried changing the venue to some sort of moralistic 20/20 hindsight-based online tribunal.  They can't even get their facts correct, and repeat lies about how HF "never shipped BJ upgrade kits" nor any Sierras.

Now they want to steal cypher's coins.  What a bunch of losers.   Cheesy
464  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 09:28:04 PM
Yikes!

-$36 and sub $1100. That's not good.
465  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 08:50:34 PM
yep tvbcof and iCEBLOW have always been suckers.  they can't even get their facts straight:

The sad part is that gold always has been a suckerís bet.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-gold-is-falling-and-wont-get-up-again-2015-07-20
466  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 07:39:19 PM

you realize i can't even bother to read the content of what you write any more; it's so bad.  all i can do is think of these images of you and little iCEBLOW:



I'm pretty happy to be a little dog if the alternative would entail ripping people off by participating in a mining gear scam involving none-existent and never-to-be-existent hardware.  At least you could have been original and teamed up with Josh and Sonny at BFL.  You probably would have done much better.



Excuse me?

Hashfast User's Thread
467  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 06:56:57 PM

cypherdoc you're actually doing awesome job at keeping the plebs off the barbarous relic, i gotta thank shills like you. keep it up.

I've long felt that cypherdoc's stance on gold was almost exclusively to shift a small fraction of stacker's hoards into Bitcoin which could make us hodlers a bundle.  It never did and does not now make much sense to risk it all on Bitcoin unless one is pretty hand-to-mouth and doesn't have much to risk anyway.  This makes cypherdoc's advice against a balanced risk strategy shitty and self-serving (though it pales to pimping Hashfast for big shill bucks) and thus I never felt to bad about giving him shit.

I could see gold going significantly lower in dollar terms under a severe deflation where the USD held together (an unlikely combo but possible.)  The catch is that at that point there is a strong likelyhood of 'bail-ins'.  Only then would Bitcoin make sense, but so would physical (which is the only thing I've ever had any interest in.)

Both phyz and BTC, being resistant to counter-party risk, would have obvious advantages in a bail-in scenario.  The trouble with both is that one would find oneself on the wrong end of the pitchforks and 'homogenized' with people who were insider scumbags before 'the event'.  I'll expect that then, just as now, these insider scumbag types will enjoy flexibility and protections denied to simple paranoids like yours truly.

you've always told me i'm irrelevant so i find it quite satisfying that you would attribute to me such influence.  of course, i have been right on gold for 4 yrs running now and you have been devastatingly wrong.  but that's ok.   no one is perfect; esp you.

what's even  more hypocritical is your presence in this thread despite your never ending narrative of cypherdoc irrelevance.  seems you find me quite important on the contrary.  you're still a little dog nipping at my heels though.  only now, you've got a partner named iCEBLOW on the other heel so you shouldn't feel so bad.

I have no more regrets about appropriately balancing my risk according to my analysis over the last 4 years than I would have about choosing tails when the coin came up heads.  Obviously I would have made more money if I had sunk everything into Bitcoin at the time I got involved, but the same could be said in retrospect about any bet.  IIRC, you were pumping money in at $30-ish when waiting 6 months could have gotten you Bitcoin at closer to $2.00, right?  Smooth move Ex Lax.  

As for your 'effectiveness' at getting people to dump gold and run to Bitcoin, I'd say it was marginal at best just looking at the price at present and over the last year and a half.  If you had been even marginally effective, Bitcoin should be in 5-figures by this time.  The only thing more pathetic than someone constantly tooting his own horn is someone who does so in the face of obvious failure which he alone seems blind to.

The only one I can think of who nailed it was ~nagle, and he only mentioned his buying once that I can remember (and then only vaguely.)  It matched perfectly with the point in time when he stopped talking Bitcoin down.



you realize i can't even bother to read the content of what you write any more; it's so bad.  all i can do is think of these images of you and little iCEBLOW:

468  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 06:16:32 PM

cypherdoc you're actually doing awesome job at keeping the plebs off the barbarous relic, i gotta thank shills like you. keep it up.

I've long felt that cypherdoc's stance on gold was almost exclusively to shift a small fraction of stacker's hoards into Bitcoin which could make us hodlers a bundle.  It never did and does not now make much sense to risk it all on Bitcoin unless one is pretty hand-to-mouth and doesn't have much to risk anyway.  This makes cypherdoc's advice against a balanced risk strategy shitty and self-serving (though it pales to pimping Hashfast for big shill bucks) and thus I never felt to bad about giving him shit.

I could see gold going significantly lower in dollar terms under a severe deflation where the USD held together (an unlikely combo but possible.)  The catch is that at that point there is a strong likelyhood of 'bail-ins'.  Only then would Bitcoin make sense, but so would physical (which is the only thing I've ever had any interest in.)

Both phyz and BTC, being resistant to counter-party risk, would have obvious advantages in a bail-in scenario.  The trouble with both is that one would find oneself on the wrong end of the pitchforks and 'homogenized' with people who were insider scumbags before 'the event'.  I'll expect that then, just as now, these insider scumbag types will enjoy flexibility and protections denied to simple paranoids like yours truly.



you've always told me i'm irrelevant so i find it quite satisfying that you would attribute to me such influence.  of course, i have been right on gold for 4 yrs running now and you have been devastatingly wrong.  but that's ok.   no one is perfect; esp you.

what's even  more hypocritical is your presence in this thread despite your never ending narrative of cypherdoc irrelevance.  seems you find me quite important on the contrary.  you're still a little dog nipping at my heels though.  only now, you've got a partner named iCEBLOW on the other heel so you shouldn't feel so bad.
469  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 06:12:24 PM
this looks good:

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/07/wences_casares.html
470  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 05:08:56 PM
poor little iCEBLOW & tvbcof.  thank you for the money.  oh, times 2:

471  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 05:35:48 AM
WTF happend to gold just now?  Bitcoin holding steady.

I told you not to buy.

Were you listening to iCEBLow and tvbcof again?
472  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 05:16:53 AM

Everything is collapsing or about to collapse, except Bitcoin. Deal with it.

all it takes is for 5% of the gold market to come to Bitcoin and the price will go to ______

And gold is only one of many assets that can feed Bitcoin...



i know.  it's that great deflationary sucking sound.

oil about to go sub $50.  again.
473  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why nodes are not upgrading? on: July 20, 2015, 05:08:22 AM
i'm not going to upgrade my nodes until we get a resolution to this block size issue.
474  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 04:54:42 AM

Everything is collapsing or about to collapse, except Bitcoin. Deal with it.

all it takes is for 5% of the gold market to come to Bitcoin and the price will go to ______
475  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 03:33:18 AM
looks like the US Military agrees that the currency component of Bitcoin is just as important as the blockchain.  such dissonance:

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114891/united-states-military-seeks-bitcoin-tipping-bounties
476  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 03:08:23 AM

haha.  poor little iCEBlow.  such a failure in all his investments.  a failure in HF, a failure in XMR, and a failure in gold.  no wonder you have to spend all your time following me around hoping i rub off on you:


Does this mean what I think it does? If so, put down the rock doc, it's such a nice glass house.

At least one of them made out like a bandit tho...

assuming one of them actually did something wrong tho...

Well, the jury is still out on that imho. It seems calling 'shill' in this place is like yelling 'fire' at an apathy convention.  Undecided

Shill

A person engaged in covert advertising. The shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing the product in public forums with the pretense of sincerity, when in fact he is being paid for his services.
Who are you shilling for?

Ignore the n00b, he's just here to shill.
477  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 02:56:32 AM

haha.  poor little iCEBlow.  such a failure in all his investments.  a failure in HF, a failure in XMR, and a failure in gold.  no wonder you have to spend all your time following me around hoping i rub off on you:


Does this mean what I think it does? If so, put down the rock doc, it's such a nice glass house.

At least one of them made out like a bandit tho...

assuming one of them actually did something wrong tho...
478  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 02:31:01 AM
Gold collapsing.

haha.  this is SO beautiful, eh iCEBlow?  for all your blow and bluster, i can't wait to see your face tomorrow when i put up the chart of my DZZ:  DOUBLE SHORT!

479  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 20, 2015, 02:20:58 AM
hey iCEBlow,

was it you accusing me a few weeks ago about using sockpuppets on Reddit?  sorry i didn't make the list.  but a couple of your BS core devs did.  Grin:

https://github.com/aehaynes/reddit_authorship/blob/master/sock_rankings.txt

Nope, not me.  I've on several occasions told you I don't post at Reddit and despise the venue.

If you think the core devs are BS, I suggest you stop running their code.

Biting the hands which feed you is considered impolite, and performative contradictions destroy credibility.

Not that you have much left after the failed 20MB jihad, failed XT putsch, failed anti-sidechain/lightning FUD, gmax administered spankings, embarrassing Chicken Little falling sky routine, and logical contortions in the Gavin "financial crisis is over" kerfuffle.

haha.  poor little iCEBlow.  such a failure in all his investments.  a failure in HF, a failure in XMR, and a failure in gold.  no wonder you have to spend all your time following me around hoping i rub off on you:

480  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 19, 2015, 05:11:22 PM
while certainly the Bitcoin network can "handle" the spam tx load and has the capacity for much bigger blocks, that doesn't mean it can't be "congested" for relatively little money esp when the goal is to disrupt new user growth:

BitcoinAddress 3 points an hour ago

A rough guess would be:

Assume:

    6 months = 365/2 * 24*6 = 26,280 blocks
    50,000 txn backlog desired
    500 spam txn's needed to maintain backlog per block confirmed

50,000 txns + (500 txn/block * 26,280 blocks) = 13,190,000 txns

@ network fee cost of 0.0001 BTC = 1,319 BTC

@ $250/BTC market price = $330K

So somewhere between 300K and a Million is my guess. Pennies for big fish.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3dty9w/looks_like_the_latest_stress_test_is_over/ct8pa67
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