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Now you speak even more rubbish. I never violated any rules. I never stole anything. I left my tkp in my account so you knew I wont run away. You don't even discuss it with me you just zero my account. I invest what little I have left (1 eth) and make 330000tkp worth over $1000 and then you take that all from me just because I took collateral out when the price was worthless? Is it my fault your system is broken? I didn't even sell those stakes. If you went and looked at my account activity you will seen I never sold the ones I got for a cheap price. Your system should not have allowed me to take collateral out so cheaply. Instead of just cancelling my collateral I paid cheap for you forced me to buy it back at full price leaving me with 0 TKP. How is that fair? Now I can't even get paid for future bounty work. You screwed everything up for me. I can't even make much money and if I had that tpk I could take more collateral out cuz right now the price is good. But you decide to instead of discuss it with me, you rather take everything from me and call me a thief??\\

I am the one with 0 tpk not you. I did not benefit from what I did even look yourself. I didn't say anything cause I assumed you had the sense to realize I made a mistake and realized what I had done and then did not sell the stakes. You could have cleared those orders of the system but instead you bought them back at full price. You call me the cheater??

IF I am a chearter what exactly did I get? You ruined everything for me and you wont even talk about it. Your solution is to clear peoples accounts. Yes I complain and I am not actually the only one. Onlt those with big investments would complain and most ppl invest a small amount so they don't complain. They also don't trade alot like I do and build their wealth. I spent months buying and selling and you take all of it from me.


I MADE A MISTAKE BUYING THAT COLLATERAL AT THE CHEAP PRICE. I was tempted to sell it and rip you off but I decided not to. Look at my orders you will see I had every chance in the world to abuse the collateral I paid for but I never. I never sold it. I only sold what I previously paid for at the real price. Also I never broke any rule by getting colateral at such a low price. It is your fault if the system is broken. You talk about me like I was stealing lots and lots of tpk and was selling all the stakes I had. How many times must I tell you to go and look and see.

Why couldnt you have just cleared the collateral I took out and realized I made a mistake. YOu can see I never sold them. I understand if I was selling them but I was not. So insted of just cancelliing them you buy them back at full price. You can take over our account whenever you want and do as you please.

I have very little money and no way to take collateral out. When the bounty is paid everyone will dump that is why I like tokpie so I can pay myself at a good rate if I decide it is.

How the hell am I committing fraud?? Do you know what that means even? Please show me the funds I stole since I commit "fraud"

You just being nasty instead of sorting this out. I really liked tokpie but now I can never use it again just because of a misunderstanding. If I wanted to steal I would have. I would cleared the entire stake and then sell it all.

Look at my last collaterals I took out. There about 5 or 6 that you could have just canceled and then everything would have been fine since I never touched them. Instead you buy them back at full price.


I paid very little for the colalteral so if it was 1000tkp you bought it back at 100000 how is that fair? If I had sold it then I understand but I never. You didnt even let me sell it so I can buy the stakes back. You instead do waht you like. Why would I pay more then what I get back???

I never gained a single thing doing what I did. Look at my account the last few days. I bought cheap stake like 5 or 6 times and never sold. Apparently this makes me a  fraud? I dont actually understand why you have to be so horrible. You cannot even talk to me like a human being. You just take everything.


So you ruined my bounty carrer. Do you have any idea how much damage you caused? I have nothing to place for collateral. I needed that money. I earned what I earned fair and square by buying low and selling high.

I am only guilty of making a mistake. It is like I was about to steal but put it back. That isn't stealing. Thats called doing the right thing. Obviously I was tempted. But did I sell those stakes??? Nope. Yet you punish me still.

I was actually honest. But ya dude I am a terrible person for trying to make a libving and now I am not only down over $1000 but I have no more to invest and buy more tkp and look at the price tkp. I will never be able to use your exchange ever again and all because of something that could have been worked out. We could have spoken about this. We could have analayzed what I bought and sold and come up with an agree ment.

You say you don't need the investment then why take it from me? I need it. Maybe you dont need it but others do.

This is a permanent punishment for something I never even went through with. I don't know why you couldnt just talk to me about it. I bet you dont even feel anything. You took everything from me.

You say you will loan tpk but ya how much>?? Not enough to take collateral out with. Why would you loan tkp if you wont even let me keep mine? Why risk that? You talk about a loan like you gonna give us one.
There is no way in hell you have any intention on helping me or sorting this out. You just don't care at all. Tokpie has this attitude of not giving a damn. Personally I would never zero someones account espscially if I see they didnt abuse the colalteral they bought.

I made a mistake I could not take it back. What was I supposed to do? Contact support? Get called a thief? When I didn't even steal anything. You would not have helped me.

I took that collateral out without even thinking and then I though about it but it was too late. Notice I never sold it nor withdrew. If I wanted to fraud you I would have withdrawn but I planned to use tokpie for as long as it exists and now I can never ever use it again. I was so glad I had made that money and secured the tpj for further collateral but you don't care.

I dont know how you can just take something from someone who clearly made a mistake. You should give me my tpk back but I know you wont. I am the one with nothing so who is the real thief?


I guess you have never made a mistake before. If you dont need the investment cuz you have lots of money then why not give it back to me. I mean you took all of it. every singe tpk then still tell me I own more what the hell. You could have cancelled those oreders and then I would pay back what was left. That would have been fair. The rest I would have paid back with the stakes I earn.

I don't understand why you doing this to me. But ya ok.

Just for one silly mistake now the rest of my bounty career with tpk is ruined and my profit and future profit. I cant even use the exchange and you refude to negotiate something fair. Fair for you is taking everything.

Now how must I get paid for my stakes? How must I pay collateral??? You will just zero my account again...
You wont even help me.

You ruined so much for me. For a misunderstanding that could have been resolved peacefully. I mean you guys just took my account over and everything. You didnt even tell me.

I honestly cant see what the problem is and why you cant look over my account and see what I owe and what I dont owe. Dont make me pay for stakes I never sold at 100x more then I got them.
I bought the stakes cheap I dont deny it but I didnt sell them cause I knew it was wrong. I did the right thing by not selling them but you dont see it that way.

You not fair at all. Now I have even fewer ways to make income. You just think I am a piece of shit dont you? I am sorry ok. I made a mistake. I dont see why you need to take everyhing from me when I dont take anything from you?

You can even see I didnt sell them but you dont care. I assumed that at distribution those stakes would just dissapear cuz you would realise what had happened and deleted them.


So thank you tokpie. I risked half of the money I had left believing in you and you do this to me just because I made an honest mistake. If I was not honest I would have cleaned you guys out. Doesn't that make sense? If I was really a crook why would I keep my funds in  my account? I would withdraw everything and dissapear which I did not.

My account is even messed up and I also lost my 50k upgrade. I lost everything. I dont know why you cant just be nice. What is so hard about talking to me and fixing it? I am a customer. This is what I hate about crypto. ppl just do what they want.


I cant even reason with you. I had 33000k tpk I made a mistake and you somehow feel you should take everything. You could have taken what I actually owed and removed the rest. Why didnt you just delete those orders?? How is that honest? Doing stuff without letting someone know is not honest. If you had any respect for your customers you would not do this and come up with a solution we can both be happy with but no you refuse.

You can think as you want but fact is I never stole a thing. My account proves this all my activity is there. I am the one sitting with 0 balance not you. You act like you want to help bounty hunters but you don't.
I highly doubt you loan out tpk to ppl. Anyway if you want to believe you right and I am a terrible person fine. Fact still remains I took nothing from you yet you took everything. You left me with nothing. I dont know how you can just do that to someone. I wish I could talk to you about it. Sigh... I give up...


You actually seem like a nice person. I wish you didn't hate me. Whatever you think of me is wrong. I wish you would stop calling me names and making accusations. I know what you think of me and I am actually not that kind of person but did you find that out?? No you just assume I am a terrible person.

Thank you that I am not with you anymore? Customer satisfaction clearly means nothing to you. You treat me like I am such a bad person. Ya I know you glad I am not with you anymore. Im glad you happy. Sorry for being there in the first place.

Anyway good luck to tokpie sorry you don't want me around. I didn't mean for this to happen and I really wish you would talk to me before jumping to conclusions. I don't like being called these names. I am an actual person you know. You don't respect me at all not even enough to talk to me first before doing all this. You dont want people that dont understand how it works? Nice thing to say. Do you feel good about yourself? Take everything from someone then insult them. Nice.



You say you here to help hunters. I dont know why you wont help me.

I wonder what scam projects you will allow your army of bounty hunters to follow next. Please don't say you are not responsible and don't manage the bounties. FRED token is an obvious scam and you didn't even check their white paper. Had you done so, you would notice the plagiarised it. So many scams come from Russia I should have known better than to deal with a shady company from Russia. Stole well over 350k from me worth 7 eth and you come up with bs stories about how you a victim. The worst past is you actually think you right. This just goes to show how Topie deals with problems. They don't. They don't even discuss.
Most of your supporters do not even invest they just bounty hunters with no money. That is the only reason you have the support you do but even they will wake up.

BTW to anyone thinking of using Tokpie to "get paid ahead of time"

It doesn't work quite like they say it does. Infact nothing is as it seems. The rules are unclear and they basically will change rules to gavour themselves. Anyway.
You pay collateral to sell back the stakes and then you replace those stakes with the token from the project. So you get paid "instantly"

Not correct and Tokpie is very misleading. In order to be paid "instantly," You need to pay 3x more then the value of the stake. (so if you were going to earn $100 at the end of the campaign you give them $300 and they hold that for you and when you give them the stakes you get the $300 back and your $100 profit. That means you must invest 3x what you plan on making. How does investing enable you to be paid ahead of time or "instantly"
It's a plain lie. You can buy a membership to reduce the collateral you need but this costs between $60-$170 which means investing even more. During this investment time the value of TKP could drop and you work for nothing.

So far the projects payout in over half a years time. Half a year is instant? Sure you get paid instantly.... After you invest a large sum upfront and hold on to it for 6+ months.

Rather just do a normal IEO bounty where you are paid weeks after the bount ends. (I have done some start to finish in 2-3months including the bounty time) The bounties for the Tokpie projects ended long long ago.

Do you want to work at a normal IEO bounty and work 3 months and get paid and then sell on the exchange or would you rather use Tokpie and pay upfront and then wait 6 months?

There is nothing instant about Tokpie it is a misleading and borderline scam. They also support scam projects and do not do background checks.

"Great thanks that you have self-dtected yourself here. It's very useful case for the rest."

 No I was just being honest. I have not hidden anything I did.

"If the value of unsettled bounty stakes, which were already sold, exceeds 100000 TKP, Tokpie has the power to unilaterally settle user’s obligations"

 I didn't tell the stakes I was holding in collateral. Most of what I sold was weeks before this. If I had done nothing I would still have over 300k TKP and you would not have zeroed my account. I gained nothing from getting cheap bounty stakes. Look at my transactions yourself. You will see I hardly sold anything. I realized I would not be able to sell them in time to cover the collateral. I was afraid to tell support because I knew this would happen so I waited till distribution hoping you would contact me and settle this.

"imply saying Tokpie protects its users from a "sell and run"

cheating scheme that took place in that case" I didn't cheat and run i left my TKP in my account. If I wanted to cheat I would have sold it or withdrew it and never logged in again. This is the problem with the crypto world. People only see the worst in others because of all the scams. Again... I never sold you can check the transaction. I gained nothing with the stakes I paid for collateral and you acting like I was cheating and selling massive amounts of stakes then running off. Like I said my whole TKP balance was there still. I did not withdraw so I did not run. I did not sell. I know doing this 4 days before distribution is suspicious but that is why I did not withdraw. I would not be able to sell the stakes and then buy them back later in time. I made a mistake buying that many, I should not have bought that many. I also should not have bought them so cheaply and could have reported it but like I say I was afraid you would ban my account or do this so I rather waited to be contacted about it to settle it properly. I don't think tokpie is stupid and I was not about to sell all these stakes and run. I would have if I wanted to but I didn't did I?

"If the value of unsettled bounty stakes, which were already sold, exceeds 100000 TKP, Tokpie has the power to unilaterally settle user’s obligations."

I think I missed this part. I always miss important parts I did buy back some EFT signature stakes and my collateral was near 100000k After that is was very high because of the cheap stakes I bought which I did not sell. Why mut I pay collateral worth much much more then the amount that I put down? Surely you return the amount I put down and remove the stakes? Why didn't you just do that at the begining. I could then have paid for any stakes I did sell.

"The value of unsettled bounty stakes (just only for EFT bounty) which you have sold out = 426 132 TKP" Correct. This was before I got the cheap collateral. This was for signature stakes which I paid high collateral for and when the price dropped I  made a huge profit. I was able to get this down to about 100k by buying cheaper collateral and replacing it. I replaced it with collateral instead of buying the stakes because I was going to take out more colalteral anyway since I was in the bounty and was going to use my stakes to pay that collateral back.  That 426 132 TKP I made fair and square and you acting like I cheated. I just sold when the price was high and bought back when it was low but instead of buying back I took more colalteral since I was getting EFT to pay it back. So actually I did settle that 426 132 to about 100k by doing the above. You are not giving the full story and trying to make me look like I owned you that much when that is actually incorrect since I took more collateral out to replace that one. I don't see what the problem is?

"After unilateral settlement the value of unsettled bounty stakes, which you already sold = 113600 TKP."

Exactly and when I bought I bought 200k for 1.4eth then it was 2.7 eth for 100k so 200k is 5.2 eth. I only sold 113600 TKP worth (less then what I bought like I said I didn't sell any of the stakes I bought I sold TKP I already had so how can you say I was selling TKP I got from stakes?) So you actually made 200k-113k = 87k from me.

"The total amount of EFT bounty stakes that you would have to provide to cover your unsettled obligation was 666 353 EFT. That is around $18,324"

This was the cheap stakes I bought and you should have cancelled the ones that I did not sell. You did not have to cancel the ones I sold since I already sold them so I must pay for them. Why must I pay for stakes I didn't sell? Yes they were worth 666 353 EFT. That is around $18,324 and btw saying that makes it sound like I am trying to steal that amount from you. Very misleading and not the whole truth. All I did was hold those stakes and I didnt sell them. So why didn't I just get my collateral back for the unsold ones and then the sold ones I must buy back or pay back in tokens? Why did you make me pay you the full buy price of the tokens when I only put a little bit down. How is it fair if I give you $100 for 1000 stakes and not sell them but then I must buy them back at $1 each so at $1000
Why would I have you $1 for something then buy it back for $100. I paid a certain amount of collateral which you were meant to take back from all unsold stakes but instead you decided to buy them back at full price because you knew you could make a profit and zero my account and then use all this as an excuse and make me sound like a cheater.

Fact is I paid for something I got no benefit from and paid back 100s of times more then what I gave for it.
If I give you $1 for something as collateral but it is worth $10000 and I return it then I get my $1 back I do not have to buy it for $10000 to get back $1. That is what you did to me and you say I am the cheater?
If I had sold all the stakes then it would have been fine to do what you had done.

Please look at wiki how collateral works. If I give you something for collateral then I get it back when I bring it back. The collateral stakes were still there but instead of being cancelled and the collateral returned (as collateral works) You instead bought back the collateral at multiple times more then what I put down.

If I was selling all the collateral I took and then ran I would be cheating yes. I agree 100% but I did not do that. I had plenty of TKP to settle the stakes after you returned my collateral. (you never returned my collateral you made me buy it back at multiple times what I put down) How is that fair? That's not how it works... You are twisting things to make me sound bad.

If that was how it works then I can put down $1 for collateral on a stake and you can make me buy the stake back for $1000000000000000 does that sound right to you? You only meant to buy back stakes you sold and everything else gets returned.

"At the same time you and another you account (yes we know it too) instead of buying back and settle your huge obligations, were withdrawing money"

The obligations seriously?? Yes I decided not to sell the stakes and wait to have my collateral returned. Instead, you bought the stakes instead of returning my collateral. You did this because you could zero my account and have an excuse to do so. Why must I buy back collateral stakes if I still have them and they have not been sold?? Yes indeed that other account is a friend who lives here too. You did the exact same thing to their account. Justifying yourself with nonesense.

"notification email with warning was sent" nope. Only after you helped yourself to my account.

I had about 300-400k (depending on collateral settlement from sold stakes) This is worth over 6eth. You make excuses and blame your customer because your system is broken. You accuse me of cheating when you can clearly see from my transactions that I was not. I did not sell and run. I did not sell more then I put in so please stop making me sound like a thief. I am not the one who zeroes the account you are.

If I got a chance to sell all the stakes then what you did was fine. But you made me buy back everything even unsold stakes instead of returning my colalteral. Now you calling me a cheater.

You blame you customers when you are in the wrong. I do not understand why you could not have just giving me back my collateral for the unsold stakes instead of buying them back and then leaving the sold stakes for me to buy back.

The sad part is that you actually think you right. Why can't you just admit you made a mistake and thank me for not taking advantage of the system? I could have if I wanted to but I didn't did I. Withdrawing 116k worth of TKP when I bough over 200k is not cheating. But you see in the crypto world we only see the worst in people because of scammers.

I'm not sure how you can feel ok with what you did. I believed in TKP and invested early and have always supported them and now this happens.
Maybe you have tons of money running your fancy exchange but for me, that was a lot of money I just lost and really needed. I am tired of this shit in the crypto world.

Yes I made put in 1.5 eth and withdrew 2.5eth this is obvious since I bought TKP 5x less then it is now.

At the end of the day I had 6eth worth of crypto. You forced me to pay back my collateral and multiple times more then what I put down. Like a loan shark or some shit. You made me pay like 50x more then the colateral I owed on unsold stakes instead of taking them back. How can you just do this to someone? Tokpie was such a good idea and now you have to do this

You don't respect your customers and you didnt even talk to me about this you just did your own thing.

WARNING TOKPIE MADE ME PAY MULTIPLE TIMES MORE THEN THE COLLATERAL I TOOK OUT ON MY UNSOLD STAKES. INSTEAD RETURNING MY COLLATERAL THE DECIDED TO BUY THE STAKES BACK AT FULL PRICE WHICH WAS OVER 50x MORE THEN THE COLLATERAL I PUT DOWN PROOF ABOVE

This is not good for rep. I hope that few hundered $$$ is worth more to you then your rep because a serious company would never do something like this and then still blame the customer.



"PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO BLAME TOKPIE THAT YOUR cheating scheme was stopped on a moment when you didn't expect it."

So much "cheating scheme" was to lose money?? Sounds like a good plan that. Do you think I am that stupid? That makes no sense.
How about your scheme making people pay back more for their collateral then they put down???

If you can any decency you would return my funds and apologize but I know you won't. Because you are perfect and never make mistakes and are never wrong. It is always the customer's fault so blame them.
Now I can't even trade on TOKPIE.

My account before taking collateral out.



The collateral I bought



Collateral being paid for.



This is how I paid little for the collateral. Notice people are only willing to pay very little for the stakes. Taking collateral out was cheaper then buying them but was a huge risk in case I failed to pay them back. If the price had gone up during my plan then I would have lost lots. I took the risk and it paid off and I ended up with some cheap stakes. The market was poor and you buy low sell high.



Here is Tokpie selling my TKP without even asking me so they can pay back the collateral. (this was not my plan) They kept buying back stakes until I had no eth or tkp or usd. They made sure they bought at a much higher price then I could get through collateral and they decided to settle my stakes for me instead of letting me carry out my high risk plan.



Here we see the main stakes that cost me most of my TKP being purchases and a much higher rate then you can get for collateral. i wanted to pay the collateral back by taking out more collateral much like people use a loan to cover another loan. This is why I say it was such a risk.



Here we see the rest of my TKP being used to pay off collateral by buying stakes (Totally the opposite of what I was doing and obviously will result in loss)



Here are their own terms. All of which I abide by. I bought collateral using their own formula and I didn't do anything that any other users could have done. I notied that colalteral was low because demand was low. THis is their formula not mine. These are their terms not mine. All I did was use their system which works on their formula.



Here are their terms for settling the collateral. I did not get a chance to settle my collateral since they decided to do it for me claiming my account was "high risk" It was high risk for me yes not them. I just had to get more collateral to pay back what I already owed and then everything that remains I would have paid back with tokens as per the formula in the img above.

They did this to my account and started trading and selling everything I had to buy back stakes without telling me or anything. I didn't even get an email.

I bought 200k TPK and made almost 500k trading. I only sold just over 100k thus they come out on top by 100k TKP I also bought my TKP when it was very cheap and they sold 300k of it worth 4eth to cover my collateral. I was going to contact them about it after I had gotten the collateral as low and I could and ask them what I must do because their system is a mess. I didn't even get that chance since they just came onto my account and paid the collateral back. I could not even take back the collateral and was very very confused. They are not clear on how to pay it back. I though if you left it them they just keep the collateral that you paid for it. This is not the case.

I did not benefit from the cheaply bought collateral I actually made a mistake buying it. Why does the system allow you to buy more stakes then there are??? Only after I bought I realized and then it is too late.
They could have easily taken the collateral away and I could have given them back any collateral I had sold at low price (which was hardly anything) and left it at that but instead, they cleaned out my entire account.

Just the fact that they access your account without telling you is so messed up. Contacting me and talking about the situation would have been a better idea to do. They do not give me that basic respect.


To end. I want to say that Tokpie is not a bad exchange and their project is good. If you choose to still use them that is fine. Just be aware that they have total control of your account and you have no power over it.
However they are supporting Fred energy which looks like a scam and already has mods voting against it. They have plagerized their white paper. So Tokpie don't seem to care if the projects that use their platform are sketchy.

One more thing. Yes I dumped my TKP. Why would I not? As soon as the bounty hunters get paid they will dump for TKP so rather sell it now. Those stakes are worth nothing and noone really wants them. I took advantage of this little demand like any good trader would. We are here to trade and make crypto. I am not here to play. I am here to earn.

Instead of just reversing what happened they empty my account so you take that and make your own mind up. I want nothing more to do with this and I have already written my crypto off. 4 eth worth of tkp gone.
There justification is that I am "high risk"

Anyway have a nice day. I do not wish to discuss this and waste more of my time. I do not want to be contacted about it either.

Yes but do not do it. If you do it and later figure out it is a mistake you cannot undo it and they will take all your funds to pay back the collateral and basically zero your account. Read the telegram people have had this happen to them. DO NOT BUY COLLATERAL!!! they will go onto your account and sell your eth and tkp to pay it back at the highest price. Very scammy. Plus they support scam projects like fred energy.


They have also been blocking and deleting messages from anyone who takes them up on it.


WARNING DO NOT BUY COLLATERAL FROM TOKPIE!!!! If you see it cheap especially do not buy. They will empty your account as they have done to a few bounty hunters here.

TOKPIE ALSO OPENLY SUPPORT THE SCAM FRED TOKEN!!!

DO NOT TRUST TOKPIE!!!!

The title says bitcoin mining so it only includes the mining of bitcoins. Mining anything else there is no law against or anything. Yes, the illegal use was not really illegal it was more of taking advantage of a situation that was never meant to work if people require such high amounts of power. Keeping things normal is fine so that is why that worked for a long time. I am surprised they were able to mine as much as they were for so long without anything being done.

My biggest fear is that I wake up to find my wallets empty or the price collapse and there is anarchy all over with massive dumping and just chaos. I am also afraid that the government puts more restrictions on it. I know people will fight against that.


What are you talking about? If people are stupid enough to believe it that is their problem It actually makes the price more predictable.

If they do not make money immediately then it must be a scam. People can be crazy sometimes with their beliefs and way they make excuses just so they do not blame themselves.
How can someone get involved in something they have such a lack of understanding?


Their opinion doesn't matter to us. Let them believe as they wish and live their life and we live ours. Out chance of financial freedom is much closer than theirs.

This is a fun game and a better and more fun way to earn crypto. You need some promotions though. Why not have your own coin? You can get bounty hunters to advertise for you.
More people should know about this instead of shitposting and megathreads. Man people can annoy me so much. The game is so much better than most of this horrible ICO crap.
What else do you plan for the game? What is the next move for the project?

It is a very cool browser and easy to just import everything from chrome. I agree with some of the comments here about how fast it is. It is so fluid and doesn't crash often.
I do not get rewards though So unfair. You can use the money for Spotify or google music subscription. xD

It is up to you to make sure they do understand. Whoever lives with you must know about it. Those poor trapped coins.


That is good but do not forget to have an additional hard backup. If both your mobile devices are using the same private keys just remember to stay aware of security.

I was thinking that too. When they got to the cloud mining I was wondering how old this is. These methods are the first ones that come up on google. The video is not badly made though and there is nothing wrong with it. It just could be a bit better and have more depth to it.

For most mining is not viable and out of reach. I think it is too risky as well and too much work.

No, they are here to stay for sure. Just natural improvement of things over the years. It is a digital age the age f technology why would we still be using physical money anymore?
Everything is digital these days that once not so long ago were all not digital. The blockchain technology is safe and can be trusted. I have more trust in bitcoin than fiat.

Thank you for your answer. You are a very helpful member.
I think I will take advantage of the temp passphrase since my ledger is basically a cold wallet and I only deposit into it. Spending I just have a spending wallet which I use an app for since the QR scanning is awesome.

Just Quote for others to see ore easily. Thank you for replying to me. Sorry I took so long I was a bit busy this week. What you say makes sense and makes me feel better. I am glad. Once you have verified your ledger does that mean it is 100% safe. A tampered with ledger and cannot be messed with? I know the privatekey stays on the ledger but is there anyway it can be read by anyone? Including the ledger team? Or is it encrypted so well behind its protection that it cannot be?

What I do is I withdraw as eth and either keep it as it is or I will send it to another exchange and buy bitcoin then withdraw. Some exchanges want 0.001btc withdraw that is crazy.
Tradeogre only charge 0.0001btc but I am yet to use them. I am very careful when using exchanges.

For me it already has almost. I buy most things with crypto. Food and bills with fiat and going out. But leisure stuff and hobbies and things like that are all bought using crypto. (mostly bitcoin) Online services I pay using mostly Eth and sometimes litecoin.


People always go on about how crypto is volatile but fiat loses its value quickly too. I remember 10 years ago when things were cheaper. Some of the stuff was half the price or close to it. especially fast food and things like that. I see 80% increase at least.

Why do you not monotonize this for yourself? You made a nice video and you should include referral links to all the bitcoin earning websites you use. This will help us and you. This is very genral but good for new people.
For people like me, I would like to see some links to try out some of these programs you talking about in your video.