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Guys, relax. 1. The graphs are accurate. 2. The bad girl was clearly locked/unwinnable no doubt about this. 3. There are still tons of sites where the jackpots are locked (so Betsoft is as active as ever with their scam), check this one out for example: https://www.7red.com/games/good_girl_bad_girl : Good Girl is 115k Bad Girl is 116k, never won. I have a question about jasonort though. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I see it: 1. The forum and community backed jasonort up and helped him against the casino to get his jackpot winning. 2. jasonort in silience agreed on a deal with them, letting the crooks go free. 3. jasonort then silenced himself and didn't want to contribute anymore to the forum since he already got what he wanted. 4. jasonort is having another problem and now comes back for help? Sorry if I'm wrong here, but if these points are true, I feel that jasonort have played all his cards. I can't understand his guts to come back as if nothing happened and ask for more help when he fu**ed the community in the first place. I have said it to many who have helped me, but let me extend my thanks to the community. I truly do owe a debt of gratitude to many people who helped me publicize my case. Without their help I would have gotten nothing. I'm not asking for anyone's help currently. I am trying to help others avoid the issues that I went through. The fact that you think you and the community are somehow the ones who got fu**ed here is laughable. I'm pretty sure I'm the one who was fu**ed. |
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I see it:
1. The forum and community backed jasonort up and helped him against the casino to get his jackpot winning.
2. jasonort in silience agreed on a deal with them, letting the crooks go free.
3. jasonort then silenced himself and didn't want to contribute anymore to the forum since he already got what he wanted.
4. jasonort is having another problem and now comes back for help? 1. That depends on what you mean by "his jackpot winning". He was not paid the jackpot. If you meant a tiny payoff that was nowhere near the full amount then carry on. 2. Agreed but I'm sure he felt that he was in a no-win situation where he could take the payoff or get nothing. I don't think any of us should judge him unless you have been in the same situation. 3. He definitely did not get what he wanted which was the jackpot that he legitimately won. The fact he has posted more recently suggests to me that the payoff has cleared and they cant hold anything against him now to keep him quiet and/or keep up the happy charade they made him play. 4. I don't see him asking for help. It appears to me that he is just trying to warn people about these crooks. I do agree that Jason has played his cards for better or for worse. Maybe he was too quick to accept the payoff, or maybe he had no other choice. There is nothing he can do now other than to warn people. He's never going to see that jackpot money. Correct on all counts CL-Ed. I have pretty much given up any hope of seeing another dime from my lost jackpot. Just wanting to warn others of the bad behavior of betcoin.ag and BetSoft. |
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I posted on Betcoin's forum two days ago asking for an update on the freeroll. I also included in the post the questions that I have asked them to answer regarding my contested jackpot spin. They had told me that my questions would be answered. It has been nearly a month and they have yet to do so. Within minutes my post had been deleted, and the 200 chips I had put towards the freeroll had been refunded to my account. I jumped on player chat to confront Betcoin William about this. He condescendingly said that I am dwelling on the past and I should move on. He did claim that they will do the freeroll at some point in the future. I won't hold my breath. And of course I am dwelling on the past. I was cheated out of a 1,000,000 credit jackpot. It is quite clear to me that they just want me to go away. They do not want attention drawn to the fact that I was cheated out of a jackpot on their site. And the fact that they will not answer questions about how this occurred tells me that they are complicit in what amounts to theft from their players by allowing this to happen and doing nothing about it. For anyone reading this play at your own risk. Betcoin will not back you up if you have a problem with one of the software providers.
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Cj, How do you explain the smaller jackpot (the one nobody is choosing) getting hit over 100 times while not a single person wins the big jackpot that everyone picks? That is very strange, indeed, if nobody picks it, yet it is won over 100 times! It doesn't seem like it it should be won at all if it wasn't played....Something's obviously wrong with that data too.
Do you think there's any possibility that these two graphs are accurate or no? I have no idea what those graphs are, or where they came from because you do not cite a source; therefore, I cannot give you an opinion on the accuracy of the data.---snipped TwitchyTroll trash because sources not cited---- Where in the data does it demonstrate that the jackpot was won while nobody was playing? It is an impossibility for that to occur, and I haven't seen any study that made that claim. See, it's not the data that is wrong....it's the source of information that is wrong. So, find the person who is claiming that the smaller jackpot was won over 100 times while nobody was playing, and ask him to present the data and cite the source. And, the odds against hitting the "Bad Girl" jackpots are much greater than the odds against hitting the "Good Girl" jackpots; that's why the smaller, "Good Girl," jackpots were hit most often. Furthermore, nothing in the data demonstrates that everybody was playing for the larger jackpot; in fact, the data shows quite the opposite; there were MANY people playing for the smaller, much easier to trigger, "Good Girl" jackpots, and fewer players playing for the larger, much harder to trigger, "Bad Girl" jackpots. See Table Below  cjmoles Please look at my first post in this thread. Look at the screenshots of my spin, of the paytable at the time of the spin, and at the proof that TwitchySeal provided proving that Betcoin adjusted their TOS after the fact to account for the free spins round. After looking this over answer this question for me: Should I have been paid the jackpot? All of this debate about statistics is confusing and can be interpreted a million different ways. But my spin is simple. Either it should have won or it shouldn't. If your answer is that it should have won, then Betsoft is scamming players and stealing their money. And Betcoin by not standing up for their player and continuing to use this software is complicit in this scam. |
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So has the money they took from Jasonort for the freeroll been returned? What happened to the freeroll. Did they spend the money and dont have the funds for the freeroll.
I posted on Betcoin's forum two days ago asking for an update on the freeroll. I also included in the post the questions that I have asked them to answer regarding my contested jackpot spin. They had told me that my questions would be answered. It has been nearly a month and they have yet to do so. Within minutes my post had been deleted, and the 200 chips I had put towards the freeroll had been refunded to my account. I jumped on player chat to confront Betcoin William about this. He condescendingly said that I am dwelling on the past and I should move on. He did claim that they will do the freeroll at some point in the future. I won't hold my breath. And of course I am dwelling on the past. I was cheated out of a 1,000,000 credit jackpot. It is quite clear to me that they just want me to go away. They do not want attention drawn to the fact that I was cheated out of a jackpot on their site. And the fact that they will not answer questions about how this occurred tells me that they are complicit in what amounts to theft from their players by allowing this to happen and doing nothing about it. For anyone reading this play at your own risk. Betcoin will not back you up if you have a problem with one of the software providers. |
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You seem to know a lot of information about betcoin. Some of the things you are stating might only be known by someone who is on the inside working for betcoin. Can you please explain your relationship with betcoin? If you do work for betcoin stop wasting your time with these replies and answer my questions. Betcoin would not be getting their reputation tarnished if they had just been straightforward and transparent. This has never been my intention, and I am not looking to extort money from them. If these questions had all been answered upfront in an honest way betcoin's reputation would have remained intact. By digging in your heels and refusing to answer the questions you and betcoin (if in fact those are two different things) are just adding fuel to the fire and digging the hole you are in deeper. People only evade and refuse to answer questions when telling the truth would expose something that they don't want exposed. If Betcoin has nothing to hide and they were acting in my best interest all along I welcome them to prove it to me and to the forum by responding to my questions. If you do I will be satisfied, and would no longer need to post to the forums looking for answers. I only post here because I have gotten nowhere on Betcoin's site either publicly or privately.
I got dragged into this mess when your bad stance allowed creation of bullying and threatening atmosphere from competing casino affiliates/members/owners towards members of betcoin.ag campaign. So not only are the ones that enabled you to atleast get the settlement with betsoft on basis of nothing more than an oversight, an error, but also all others that have nothing to do with the whole situation are being attacked. You keep talking about dismissing the questions while i try to answer as much of them as i can, while at the same time you keep avoiding only one i'm asking you; Do you honestly think betcoin.ag is a scam site?OK. I will be civil and I will answer your question first. Do I think it is an outright scam? No more than any other casino (the house always has the edge). Do I think that they put profit ahead of players? Absolutely. Am I currently comfortable wagering there? No. The reason that I have not wagered there since settling is this is because in order to be comfortable I need to have my questions that I have asked them answered. I need to understand their relationship with their software providers. I want to understand who is ultimately responsible for paying me if I win. Now let me ask you a question, and please do me the courtesy of answering it. If this spin had happened in a brick and mortar casino in las vegas regulated by a legitimate gaming authority and I hit five yachts on the payline would the casino have had to pay me the jackpot? |
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Please tell me how the jackpot was hit in error in free spin. Shouldn't a slot paytable say so? I was the first one in this thread to point out that Betsoft changed the paytable only AFTER Jason won the jackpot during the free spin play. Let me get this straight, this slot has been out for 6 1/2 years and it took until now for Betsoft to realize there was a error in this slot again after someone hits the jackpot combination during free spin play. So they can just make up the rules of the game on the go? It comes down to this. Jason got screwed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars because Betsoft is a shady gaming provider and is not honest. Betcoin contracts out games from Betsoft therefore they are not honest either.
I wish i could say that there was no error from betcoin, but there was that fact that they didn't have pointed that jackpot cant come from free spin. The software immediately show how the hit wasn't a valid jackpot, and betsoft confirmed that, so what to do in that situation ?! Nothing else other than a settlement can fix that, because obviously you don't give someone jackpot amount because of error in TOS. Jason wan't screwed over, because it wasn't a valid jackpot hit in the first place, due to it being a free spin. The one who lost the most in this case was betcoin, because it got pressured from Jason, betsoft, and competing casinos who just waited such opportunity with pitches and forks. You seem to know a lot of information about betcoin. Some of the things you are stating might only be known by someone who is on the inside working for betcoin. Can you please explain your relationship with betcoin? If you do work for betcoin stop wasting your time with these replies and answer my questions. Betcoin would not be getting their reputation tarnished if they had just been straightforward and transparent. This has never been my intention, and I am not looking to extort money from them. If these questions had all been answered upfront in an honest way betcoin's reputation would have remained intact. By digging in your heels and refusing to answer the questions you and betcoin (if in fact those are two different things) are just adding fuel to the fire and digging the hole you are in deeper. People only evade and refuse to answer questions when telling the truth would expose something that they don't want exposed. If Betcoin has nothing to hide and they were acting in my best interest all along I welcome them to prove it to me and to the forum by responding to my questions. If you do I will be satisfied, and would no longer need to post to the forums looking for answers. I only post here because I have gotten nowhere on Betcoin's site either publicly or privately. |
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OK I'll jump in here. I am not asking for more money. Yes I settled. Am I happy with that, No. What I am asking for is information.
You settled, wrote about how happy you are, and now you say you are not happy with money, but only want information.. I hope you can see how this sounds like you're trying only to hurt middleman here, who went above and beyond with betsoft to get you that settlement. I simply asked for their opinion on whether they thought I should have been paid the jackpot.
You both should , and should not have won it imo, hence the settlement was the logical choice. I know how cold this may sound, but you know urself that you wouldnt have taken the deal if you were 100% correct on the matter. It is simply an opinion and not legally binding as the transaction is apparently between the player and the software provider acting only as a middleman. After what I went through I do not think these questions are asking too much from them. I am not trying to bash them in a public forum, in fact I have for the most part backed them. But two weeks have gone by since I posed these questions and I have been completely ignored. They went so far as to delete my post from their site until I pointed this out publicly on their player chat and embarrassed enough to put my post back up. All I want is some transparency, because as it stands I am not confident enough in their site to continue to bet there. I want to, I like their site, but I need my questions answered first. Is that really too much to ask?
Fair enough, but i hope you realise that every letter they write about the case gets twisted and turned 99 times by competing casinos and their representatives, so the best option may be to open a private line of communication. And furthermore, what makes you so sure you are the only one under NDA ? I can see that you realize that betcoin.ag is the middle man in this situation, and even tho they could have played this out in a better way, i really hope you can see that they are getting bashed and abused way more than they earned. After all this said and done, let me ask you a simple question; Do you think betcoin.ag is a scam site ?I can see that talking with you further will solve nothing. You have deflected all of my questions. Let's just agree to disagree. |
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Related note: Why is it so freakin difficult for Betcoin to just come out say and "yea, we fucked up, our bad, we won't make the same mistake again". Why are they going through all of this trouble to delete posts, blame the victim, and to hide a colossal blunder that is obvious to pretty much everyone? Just come out and admit the issue, address how things will be different, and try to do better. Fact is that a player played a game on Betcoin's site where they should have won X dollars, and he didn't receive the full amount. What is all this nonsense about moving on and keeping quiet? When you deposit money into Betcoin and play one of their slots, are you playing with the expectation that if you were to win a jackpot, you would have create forum threads, sign NDAs, and take legal action to collect your winnings?
Valid point, but the problem is that jackpot was won by error in free spin, which should not have happened. That's why they all settled the matter, and Jason was paid an amount he said he was satisfied with, until he wasn't anymore (wtf..) It should not have happened in the first place, but you can't expect casino to go bust on an error, especially when blame is on betsoft, and not betcoin.ag. OK I'll jump in here. I am not asking for more money. Yes I settled. Am I happy with that, No. What I am asking for is information. I want to know how the bets are handled so that I can inform myself and other players on what goes on behind the scenes of an online casino. This whole experience has left a bad taste in my mouth with software providers being able to not pay on a winning spin by saying that they made a mistake after the fact. I would like to know the chain of custody of a bet, who handles the money, and who decides a win. Is it the casino or the software provider. In this case I would also like to know why betcoin.ag has censored and/or deleted my posts. If they have nothing to hide and they backed me as they say then why censor me? And third I simply asked for their opinion on whether they thought I should have been paid the jackpot. It is simply an opinion and not legally binding as the transaction is apparently between the player and the software provider, with the casino acting only as a middleman. After what I went through I do not think these questions are asking too much from them. I am not trying to bash them in a public forum, in fact I have for the most part backed them. But two weeks have gone by since I posed these questions and I have been completely ignored. They went so far as to delete my post from their site until I pointed this out publicly on their player chat and embarrassed them enough to put my post back up. All I want is some transparency, because as it stands I am not confident enough in their site to continue to bet there. I want to, I like their site, but I need my questions answered first. Is that really too much to ask? |
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Betcoin.ag has just erased my entire post on their forums. I gave them every opportunity to explain their side of this. I did not throw them under the bus. I was civil. And now they erase my post and just expect me to disappear? Game on. |
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He goes ranting everywhere about how he got scammed, then suddenly goes annoyingly silent or post off the point replies. With due respek to the people reading this, I must say fuck u jason
Thank you for the respek. You're an idiot. I've said all that I am allowed to say. |
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We wanted to update everyone with the great news after a tremendous amount of hard work by the Betcoin.ag Staff. Jasonort Case ResolutionFrom the very second our great player jasonort came to us with his casino related issue, Betcoin.ag took immediate action working with the software provider to understand, explain and then complete a proper resolution of the matter. We were asked and chose to remain silent on the matter to the public because statements would only cause speculation which would not be conducive to what we believed would be a proper outcome. The Betcoin.ag staff spent hours every day working and speaking with jasonort and the software provider to do what we thought was right for our great players. It took just over two weeks and many hours to complete what all parties believe is a proper and fair resolution. We would have it no other way. Throughout this entire process jasonort can attest to the fact that the Betcoin.ag staff made ourselves available nearly 24/7 to answer every question and provide proper updates when available as we would have done for all of our great players. jasonort was also clear to never blame Betcoin.ag for this issue as this was clearly a software issue and would have happened on any other online casino. As a result of the speculation however our reputation has taken a hit in this forum but we know that we did the right thing here and will always continue to do so. Throughout this entire circumstance jasonort continued to play at Betcoin.ag and so did many new and old Betcoin.ag players. We are very thankful for that. We will always do the right thing at Betcoin.ag for our great players and we look forward to being your favorite place to play for many years to come. Thank you! We will be holding a fireside chat in the Betcoin player chat with jasonort to discuss at 6:30pm EST. Thank you all. During the fireside chat, Jasonort has announced a self funded Thank You Freeroll that Betcoin Poker will match which will take place on Sunday, July 24, 2016. Details to follow! Mark your calendars!The full article as well as Jason's response and player responses can be found here: https://www.betcoin.ag/jasonort-case-resolutionI want to thank Betcoin.ag staff for helping me come to a resolution with BetSoft on the matter of my spin on "The Glam Life". I have said in my forum posts on bitcointalk.org and other places that my issue was with BetSoft and not Betcoin. Andrew and the staff at Betcoin.ag have always been good to me, and have continued to support me in this matter with BetSoft. They were unfortunately caught in the middle of this situation as the BetSoft slots are played directly on BetSoft servers, and they not Betcoin.ag decide the payouts for the slots. Andrew has helped to connect me with BetSoft, and today we have come to a mutually agreed upon settlement. This settlement is confidential, so please don't ask the details. I will continue to play with Betcoin.ag, and hold no ill feelings towards them, quite the contrary. I look forward to continuing my relationship with Betcoin.ag and feel very good about their actions in helping me to resolve this matter. |
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We wanted to update everyone with the great news after a tremendous amount of hard work by the Betcoin.ag Staff. Jasonort Case ResolutionFrom the very second our great player jasonort came to us with his casino related issue, Betcoin.ag took immediate action working with the software provider to understand, explain and then complete a proper resolution of the matter. We were asked and chose to remain silent on the matter to the public because statements would only cause speculation which would not be conducive to what we believed would be a proper outcome. The Betcoin.ag staff spent hours every day working and speaking with jasonort and the software provider to do what we thought was right for our great players. It took just over two weeks and many hours to complete what all parties believe is a proper and fair resolution. We would have it no other way. Throughout this entire process jasonort can attest to the fact that the Betcoin.ag staff made ourselves available nearly 24/7 to answer every question and provide proper updates when available as we would have done for all of our great players. jasonort was also clear to never blame Betcoin.ag for this issue as this was clearly a software issue and would have happened on any other online casino. As a result of the speculation however our reputation has taken a hit in this forum but we know that we did the right thing here and will always continue to do so. Throughout this entire circumstance jasonort continued to play at Betcoin.ag and so did many new and old Betcoin.ag players. We are very thankful for that. We will always do the right thing at Betcoin.ag for our great players and we look forward to being your favorite place to play for many years to come. Thank you! We will be holding a fireside chat in the Betcoin player chat with jasonort to discuss at 6:30pm EST. Thank you all.
Jasonort has announced a self funded Thank You Freeroll that Betcoin Poker will match which will take place on Sunday, July 24, 2016. Details to follow! Mark your calendars! The full article as well as Jason's response and player responses can be found here: https://www.betcoin.ag/jasonort-case-resolutionI want to thank Betcoin.ag staff for helping me come to a resolution with BetSoft on the matter of my spin on "The Glam Life". I have said in my forum posts on bitcointalk.org and other places that my issue was with BetSoft and not Betcoin. Andrew and the staff at Betcoin.ag have always been good to me, and have continued to support me in this matter with BetSoft. They were unfortunately caught in the middle of this situation as the BetSoft slots are played directly on BetSoft servers, and they not Betcoin.ag decide the payouts for the slots. Andrew has helped to connect me with BetSoft, and today we have come to a mutually agreed upon settlement. This settlement is confidential, so please don't ask the details. I will continue to play with Betcoin.ag, and hold no ill feelings towards them, quite the contrary. I look forward to continuing my relationship with Betcoin.ag and feel very good about their actions in helping me to resolve this matter. |
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We wanted to update everyone with the great news after a tremendous amount of hard work by the Betcoin.ag Staff. Jasonort Case ResolutionFrom the very second our great player jasonort came to us with his casino related issue, Betcoin.ag took immediate action working with the software provider to understand, explain and then complete a proper resolution of the matter. We were asked and chose to remain silent on the matter to the public because statements would only cause speculation which would not be conducive to what we believed would be a proper outcome. The Betcoin.ag staff spent hours every day working and speaking with jasonort and the software provider to do what we thought was right for our great players. It took just over two weeks and many hours to complete what all parties believe is a proper and fair resolution. We would have it no other way. Throughout this entire process jasonort can attest to the fact that the Betcoin.ag staff made ourselves available nearly 24/7 to answer every question and provide proper updates when available as we would have done for all of our great players. jasonort was also clear to never blame Betcoin.ag for this issue as this was clearly a software issue and would have happened on any other online casino. As a result of the speculation however our reputation has taken a hit in this forum but we know that we did the right thing here and will always continue to do so. Throughout this entire circumstance jasonort continued to play at Betcoin.ag and so did many new and old Betcoin.ag players. We are very thankful for that. We will always do the right thing at Betcoin.ag for our great players and we look forward to being your favorite place to play for many years to come. Thank you! We will be holding a fireside chat in the Betcoin player chat with jasonort to discuss at 6:30pm EST. Thank you all. During the fireside chat Jasonort has announced a self funded Thank You Freeroll that Betcoin Poker will match which will take place on Sunday, July 24, 2016. Details to follow! Mark your calendars!The full article as well as Jason's response and player responses can be found here: https://www.betcoin.ag/jasonort-case-resolutionI want to thank Betcoin.ag staff for helping me come to a resolution with BetSoft on the matter of my spin on "The Glam Life". I have said in my forum posts on bitcointalk.org and other places that my issue was with BetSoft and not Betcoin. Andrew and the staff at Betcoin.ag have always been good to me, and have continued to support me in this matter with BetSoft. They were unfortunately caught in the middle of this situation as the BetSoft slots are played directly on BetSoft servers, and they not Betcoin.ag decide the payouts for the slots. Andrew has helped to connect me with BetSoft, and today we have come to a mutually agreed upon settlement. This settlement is confidential, so please don't ask the details. I will continue to play with Betcoin.ag, and hold no ill feelings towards them, quite the contrary. I look forward to continuing my relationship with Betcoin.ag and feel very good about their actions in helping me to resolve this matter. |
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I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.
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This is bullshit of the highest order. Of course they changed it after I have inundated them with emails to their support, and any other employee I could find the email address for. I have yet to get a response from them. This just shows that they screwed up in not having this language there before. Obviously they are covering their tracks. But my screenshots don't lie. When I was playing this language was not there. They should pay me this jackpot.
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I have been in contact with Betcoin. They should be posting to this thread a public response. They will support that I hit the 5 yachts on a free spin. They are caught in the middle of this. BetSoft is the decision maker in this matter. They are the ones who need to pay. As it was explained to me, and I do believe Betcoin, when you play a BetSoft game you are directly connected to their servers. All wins are paid by them directly to your account at the casino. All casinos who use their games receive a percentage of player losses. It works like an affiliate program. You bring BetSoft the players, and in return receive a percentage of their losses. Betcoin basically has no control or say in matters like this. All payouts come directly from BetSoft. So to all of you out there reading this how can I get BetSoft to pay?
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I have asked Betcoin.ag to respond publicly in this thread. I honestly would really like to hear what their perspective is on this. Most importantly I would like to know definitively whether they feel that I should be paid the jackpot by BetSoft. Let's wait and see if they respond, or if they continue to bury their head in the sand an hope it goes away.
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