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If Luke's argument was "you already broke the agreement," you'd have a point. His argument is that there's no agreement to be broken, the signatories did not represent core, so haha. that sort of thing. Tipikal Luke jr. shit.
He's right. The individuals have never represented Core and they aren't able to do so easily anyways. It was clear that they can't promise a merge as this proposal would require evaluation and consensus like any other proposal. /thread? what are we talking about? No agreement, miners can do whatever they want, miners are doing whatever they want. Which is telling core devs to fuck off. Which is cool, because that's how Bitcoin was designed to work: Everyone pursues his own best interests, whatever those may be, and, Math willing, shit should work out for the best. Baloons.gif.  Are you telling me you're an expert coder? GitHub link?
I may or may not be. I have claimed neither. Now tell me I'm a fool to discount your opinion, when you don't even want to *tell* me you're a decent coder. Imagine going under the knife, and the guy doing the surgery won't even tell you if he's really a surgeon or not? False analogy my ass  You have been toeing the core party line as long as I remember. You're on Teymos' payroll, you deleted threads that mentioned Classic, per this forum's official policy. Unbiased  So because I have a different opinion than you (e.g. I support Core and you support Classic) I'm biased? I most certainly am not on a "payroll" and I most certainly have not deleted such threads (I don't moderate these sections). Another failed attempt at undermining my persona. 1. You most certainly are on the payroll, Teymos pays you for being a mod on this forum. 2. You may claim that you are not biased, just as a prison guard on the warden's payroll or a Communist apparatchik on the Party payroll could: feel free to, but I ain't buying. |
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You have proven to be a dumbshit, as well it seems.
I'm arguing not to tell someone how to do their job.
Chinese Miner's are telling the Core Devs that they don't know what they are doing.
Well that's where the problem is, a misunderstanding. No, the miners aren't telling the devs "that they don't know what they are doing." What they're telling them is they're not doing what they *promised to do*. The interests of the miners are not the same as the interests of Core devs, see? I'll give you an analogy, show you what I mean: Let's say Core devs are building a railroad, and drawing pay from Mayor Mccheese. The railroad can go through the plains, which will take it right through Hamburglar's Town, or it can go over the mountains, which would take it right through The city of Mccheese. Now, many would argue that it makes more sense to build the railroad on the plains, because no need to blast. And many will tell you just the opposite, that the mountain route is better, because shorter. Both are not wrong. But guess which way the railroad's gonna go tho? See where this is going? What if in your analogy there are bandits and blockades in the plains. These bandits have the ability to stop the train, kill all the riders and destroy the train. Do you still go through the plains knowing that? I'm only telling you that the train is more likely to go through the mountains if Mccheese is paying the surveyors. I'm probably not making myself clear, so here's what I'm really trying to say: You think that there is a right way and a wrong way to build a railroad. I'm telling you that there are *many* right ways to do it, and different people would profit depending on *which* right way is picked. So it's not a question of "who is smarter, Core devs or miners, Mayor Mccheese or Hamburglar. It's a question of who would profit most from what route. As I'm sure you are aware, you have been answering me under different usernames, so either you are using multiple accounts or you guys keep answering and talking for each other (unlikely). Either way, I do not really care since that is not important to the larger issue here. I'm just pointing that out. I understand what you are saying in your analogy. I think there is a right and wrong way, since the only right way is the way that protects the network from possible attacks. Look, I don't know how to make it any simpler, but I'll try. 1. There are many right ways to build a railroad from NY to SanFran. 2. If you live in EastDmbfuck, WY, the right way *for you* is if that RR goes through EastDmbfuck, WY. Because then you wouldn't be EastDmbfuck, WY. anymore, you'd be Metropolis WY. 3. Routing RR through Armpit, KS, is not wrong, but it's wrong for EastDmbfuck, WY. 4. All of these routes could be made perfectly safe, that's not what this is abut. 5. Both Armpit, KS & EastDmbfuck, WY will give you a zillion reasons why their way is the best. It's in their enlightened self-interest to lie to you. Back to Mayor Mccheese: City of Mccheese will shrivel up and die if RR don't go through it. It's banking on it. It bought all the devs properties that are in the right of way. It's desperate. But that's a tale for a later date. P.S. Yes, I'm using multiple accounts. It serves MY enlightened self-interest. |
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Yes, Luke-jr. No, I didn't know about F2Pool. Link?
I think they broke it a day later mining a Classic block. I'll update the post if I find the link. Regardless, the agreement is either valid and binding, or it's not. If it's not, the miners are free to do whatever they wish, and this whole debate is pointless.
It matters. People who attack Luke-jr for 'trying' to create a proposal are heavily biased if it was already broken. If Luke's argument was "you already broke the agreement," you'd have a point. His argument is that there's no agreement to be broken, the signatories did not represent core, so haha. that sort of thing. Tipikal Luke jr. shit. If you don't code, your "objective observation" re. coding abilities of others is what's called an "uneducated opinion," and, as such, ain't worth much more than my cat's. My cat don't code.
So you can draw a conclusion of my 'coding abilities' based on not-seeing any of my code? Interesting story. No. I'm going to assume your coding abilities are nonexistent until I see your code. I also wouldn't let a random bro do cardio surgery on me. Not even if he gets all snide with "So you can draw a conclusion of my 'doctoring abilities' based on not-seeing any of my doctoring? Interesting story." I haven't seen any of your doctoring, we're not in a hospital, so I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you're qualified to saw open my chest until I see some product. Are you telling me you're an expert coder? GitHub link? As far as "bias" goes, your bias on this issue is well-known.
No it is not. What nonsense are you talking about? I have no connection to any developer regardless of whether Core or Classic/other. You have been toeing the core party line as long as I remember. You're on Teymos' payroll, you deleted threads that mentioned Classic, per this forum's official policy. Unbiased |
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You have proven to be a dumbshit, as well it seems.
I'm arguing not to tell someone how to do their job.
Chinese Miner's are telling the Core Devs that they don't know what they are doing.
Well that's where the problem is, a misunderstanding. No, the miners aren't telling the devs "that they don't know what they are doing." What they're telling them is they're not doing what they *promised to do*. The interests of the miners are not the same as the interests of Core devs, see? I'll give you an analogy, show you what I mean: Let's say Core devs are building a railroad, and drawing pay from Mayor Mccheese. The railroad can go through the plains, which will take it right through Hamburglar's Town, or it can go over the mountains, which would take it right through The city of Mccheese. Now, many would argue that it makes more sense to build the railroad on the plains, because no need to blast. And many will tell you just the opposite, that the mountain route is better, because shorter. Both are not wrong. But guess which way the railroad's gonna go tho? See where this is going? What if in your analogy there are bandits and blockades in the plains. These bandits have the ability to stop the train, kill all the riders and destroy the train. Do you still go through the plains knowing that? I'm only telling you that the train is more likely to go through the mountains if Mccheese is paying the surveyors. I'm probably not making myself clear, so here's what I'm really trying to say: You think that there is a right way and a wrong way to build a railroad. I'm telling you that there are *many* right ways to do it, and different people would profit depending on *which* right way is picked. So it's not a question of "who is smarter, Core devs or miners, Mayor Mccheese or Hamburglar. It's a question of who would profit most from which way the railroad goes. The interests of the miners don't coincide with the interests of the Core devs, just like the interests of Mayor Mccheese don't coincide with those of Hamburglar. They're at odds. Not because of some misunderstanding or stupidity, but because money. |
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They rejected the validity of the agreement outright.
Are you referring to the recent statement by Luke-Jr? Do you know that someone had already broken the agreement (was it F2Pool? I can't remember correctly). Yes, Luke-jr. No, I didn't know about F2Pool. Link? Regardless, the agreement is either valid and binding, or it's not. If it's not, the miners are free to do whatever they wish, and this whole debate is pointless. Try to do better than "my dad's smarter than your dad," or don't bother.
False analogy. That's an opinion due to subjective bias which is not the case here. This is an objective observation based on what I've seen so far. If you don't code, your "objective observation" re. coding abilities of others is what's called an "uneducated opinion," and, as such, ain't worth much more than my cat's. My cat don't code. As far as "bias" goes, your bias on this issue is well-known. I have not seen a single line of your code, so your opinion is a bit suspect.
So because you haven't seen 'my code', my opinion is invalidated (or 'suspect')? That is horrible logic, as it would invalidate your own opinion and the opinions of "users" who share your 'view' as well. No, there's nothing wrong with my logic. I would value an opinion of a surgeon much higher than that of a garbage collector, if the topic is surgery. Vice-versa if the topic is collecting garbage. But you're telling me that both are just as good? @AgentofCoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1532130.msg15425353#msg15425353 |
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It is. If they keep trusting Core devs to do what they promised, they're gonna lose a shitload of money. And that's why this is happening right now.
Wrong. The people who attended the HK meeting have done nothing that violates their "agreement" yet. It was well known that the people were acting as individuals and could in no way guarantee that the presented HF (not yet) would be merged into Core. They rejected the validity of the agreement outright. Can't do much worse.
Classic developers are like high school programmers in comparison to the people working on Core. Try to do better than "my dad's smarter than your dad," or don't bother. I have not seen a single line of your code, so your opinion is a bit suspect. |
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You have proven to be a dumbshit, as well it seems.
I'm arguing not to tell someone how to do their job.
Chinese Miner's are telling the Core Devs that they don't know what they are doing.
Well that's where the problem is, a misunderstanding. No, the miners aren't telling the devs "that they don't know what they are doing." What they're telling them is they're not doing what they *promised to do*. The interests of the miners are not the same as the interests of Core devs, see? I'll give you an analogy, show you what I mean: Let's say Core devs are building a railroad, and drawing pay from Mayor Mccheese. The railroad can go through the plains, which will take it right through Hamburglar's Town, or it can go over the mountains, which would take it right through The city of Mccheese. Now, many would argue that it makes more sense to build the railroad on the plains, because no need to blast. And many will tell you just the opposite, that the mountain route is better, because shorter. Both are not wrong. But guess which way the railroad's gonna go tho? See where this is going? |
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