yay, I am the new owner.

Can someone give me a briefing about what is the problem with KoS?


@Vod I can't PM you.

Just saw this thread. Removed all trust given to Vod. Can't contact him.

Is there anyone else who has been given false trust here?

If you're looking for COMPLETE anonymous play, like no email or anything asked, go with Bitzino, been in the business for over 2 years and their limits per round are 100 BTC.

My recommendation would be fortunejack however and they ask for email I think, but thats it.

Curious as I'm currently waiting out 180 days for a low 4 figure amount with them...in what situation do they not allow you to withdraw your money after 180 days?

I posted in goods and it got moved to digital goods which hardly anyone looks at.

I would argue you guys need to find out who is always on the forums, who is always calling people out in the lending or commenting in the scam accusations section and who appears to be trustworthy. The people deemed default trusted are the big companies, the big users, the members who DONT have time to be reading into scam accusations that don't pertain to them. Thus, scammers are slow to be negative repped (Tomatocage can only do so much). You need more people who can do or almost offer a bounty, like who reports the most proven scammers or who can do what Tomatocage does with him. User KWH has done some in the past but he stopped.

Vod is too critical with his judgements and mocks users. He isn't the example you want to follow. Tomatocage is, he leaves negative feedback (hell one of my negative feedback is from him) however I have sent him at least 50 users, links and the scam accusations against them for him to review because I always was on the forum and always wanted scammers quickly to be "red flagged". Its hard to say but honestly some sort of motivation might figure into how scammers can be seen and negative repped by the default trusted.

I also would suggest time be a small factor in the trust system and the overall rating. That way if someone scams recent but a year ago was the most trustworthy person ever, it doesn't take a ton of time for that person to show up as red overall.

I'll check this thread tomorrow. For now, time to sleep.

If you look at my trust its a useless account. They're going to use it for signature campaigning probably, or for what the buyer told me he said he's giving it to his friend cause he wants his friend to spend time here on the forum but his friend hates the newbie restrictions and such. You obviously haven't read much of the forum, cause I've been purposely saying I'm selling this account and offered a price for it which was offered to me in full today, for about a week now.

Anyways please stay on topic.

I think you are misunderstanding what happened...

Segvec - the one who scammed for 14 BTC (as of now, it hasn't be repaid), his account was hacked today. I don't believe he is saying it got hacked over a month ago and that person who scammed HBO (or took the 14 BTC interest free loan) wasn't him.

Following correctly or no stanoz?

Three accounts:
1) Charlie Shrem aka Yankee - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21181

Scam Accusation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.0

He was the owner of bitinstant, so he got a lot of rep back then for running such a business. HOWEVER, he has disappeared and owes over 25 BTC and has for months now. Yet he's still in the green and what many would consider a trustworthy account from the outside. The only ones who have left negative feedback are those who are not on default trust list.

2) Coinhoarder - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67959

Scam Accusation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.0

This one kills me. This guy bought a couple things from people trustworthy and instantly got green trust. He isn't even light green, hes a solid 7 green. He took two debts and has failed to fully pay them off (at least 1 of 5 BTC remaining). He offered a contest for 5 BTC and never paid the winner. Over a year ago. Only people who marked him of course were those who were untrusted.

CONCLUSION: The biggest flaw is that the trustworthy on this site are the old members and the old members don't spend as much time on here anymore. They also don't look for scammers or anything, the only one who does is Tomatocage. So many members USED TO BE trustworthy and gained an extensive amount of rep, however once they scam their account doesn't reach red unless they really piss off EVERYONE hence TF for example. The people who have the ability to mark someone a scammer do not participate in marking people who are proven scammers, as a scammer. Tomatocage's rep can only hurt someone who used to be trustworthy so much. Not enough people on the default trust care about correcting misgiven trust after someone turns out to be a scammer. These accounts left trustworthy are then abandoned, resold, and then used to scam further.

These two accounts are two perfectly good examples of accounts that should be in the red with the "trade with extreme caution" but are not.

Everyday almost for the past 2 months I have sent Tomatocage links to accounts that have been scamming to get them the red trust they deserve.

A third example, user Lazlo who created the thread RipDice. His site NEVER paid out. He bumped his thread for 3 months. Just recently, last week HE FINALLY was red trusted by Tomatocage after I messaged him to get it done. However, you look at the thread and so many people call him out as a scammer.

3) Lazlo - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=367551

RipDice Thread (read thru, you'll see the scam accusations): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=834371.0

Not enough is done to combat the scammers around here. The small time lending criminals are gotten everytime but the real scams, the ones who can do real damage of 4 figures or higher are often left unnoticed or ignored completely and hence I'm almost positive if Charlie Shrem or CoinHoarder came on here they could scam easily with their accounts. Why? Cause no one has followed through with the maintaining of their trust. The trust system works two ways: 1) to add/remove trust to those that get or earn the positive or negative and 2) To maintain current trust levels of members on a regular basis, especially ones assumed to be trusted by the system.

I'm leaving bitcoin for good, but thought I would write this out as it has been one thing I have hated about this forum for awhile now.

Found someone who will take it. Unlocking cause hacked segvec was interested.

Edit again: In process of setting up an escrow with Tomatocage for the account. Will update if the escrow is funded and thus going to be sold successfully.

Okay so we know you hacked his account. Curious, what was his password when you hacked it? Maybe give us some clue bout this guy.

Selling this account for 0.1516 BTC (0.15 for me, 0.0016 for tx fee n Tomato's fee) for this account ONLY. Escrow through tomatocage is fine.

This account is enrolled in the bitmixer.io program and I am able to use it indefinitely because I was the first to sign up with them and have spoken with them about this since I have also used their services.

Trade will occur anytime after 11:30pm EST on Saturday January 10th because I am set to receive 0.035 payout already Saturday evening for my posts in the previous week. If you want it now (before then), you must pay 0.035 more.

ROI in less than a month, a great investment. PM me if interested or wish to make an offer. Thanks.

NOTE: If you make a stupid post that is obvious spam and you have a signature campaign going I will remove your post. All other posts will remain except for any posted by Vod.

Delete

Tired of the spammers posting idiotic comments just to get paid for posting. Locking and recreating with self-moderated there. Note the only comments that will be deleted are ones that are obvious spam.

Reminds me of when I sold ID #11 on just dice for 5 BTC (BTC was $110/BTC then).

Sold 50298 for 0.50 clams today. Good luck with the auction.

I'm leaving bitcoin actually. Bitcoin is unhealthy for my well being.

Cool thanks for your opinion and thanks for spamming the forum obviously. Only reason you posted was to get paid that 0.0007 for your post.

Like I said, this account will make you 0.035. Who gives a shit about the trust. I'd rather sell a negative account anyways so there's no chance this account is used to scam and I get used later on.

This account will make you 0.035 /week. It is simple an investment.

Good choice. Don't try to scam or get loans on the new account. You can find accounts being sold in the goods - digital goods section.


Ha. I don't owe anything but if I did or made a 2 BTC gift payment to pay that claimed "owed" amount I'm sure you'd remove the negative rep regarding the loan but not the rep about me wanting you dead and threats (which I really hope someone does take you out eventually, I'll donate to their lawyer costs if that happened). So thus, the "trade with extreme caution" next to my name WOULD NOT disappear.

Trust me, Vod likes to lie through his teeth. Yes he MIGHT remove the rep regarding the supposed loan but no way in hell he would remove all of his negative feedback. Thats the person Vod is, he says one things but finds loopholes to not follow his word.

Probably my last post in this section, good luck to all lenders in future endeavors.

Selling this account for 0.1314 BTC (0.13 for me, 0.0014 for tx fee n Tomato's fee) for this account ONLY. Escrow through tomatocage is fine.

This account is enrolled in the bitmixer.io program and I am able to use it indefinitely because I was the first to sign up with them and have spoken with them about this since I have also used their services.

Trade will occur anytime after 11:30pm EST on Saturday January 10th because I am set to receive 0.035 payout already Saturday evening for my posts in the previous week. If you want it now (before then), you must pay 0.035 more.

ROI in less than a month, a great investment. PM me if interested or wish to make an offer. Thanks.

In all honesty, you'll never get your account out of negative feedback. Once done here especially by Vod, it will never be removed.

You're only a member account so its not a big deal, take 0.05 BTC and buy yourself a new, fresh account. Or just create a new account.

It'd be nice if you repaid your debt but it won't do anything to get your account out of negative trust. Ever.

I'd entertain offers of .25 or more. If not I'll just give them to my friend to hold for awhile.