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321  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: METAVERSE CROWDSALE DISCUSSION on: October 19, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
Any updates?
322  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] AMP - The Currency That Powers Your Attention On Synereo on: October 18, 2016, 09:45:30 PM
how can we check out the synereo richlist?
would be great to see the distribution
323  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat* on: October 18, 2016, 02:24:56 PM
What if you bought into the ICO on C-Cex?
C-CEX will get all the HEAT tokens for their customers and you can withdraw them from there. No verification needed. The same with CCEDK and Alcurex.
Amazing, thanks!
324  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][rICO]Antshares Blockchain Mainnet is ONLINE! on: October 18, 2016, 12:02:00 AM
Do you have to use the claim function to recieve ANS.
Is there a deadline for this?
or do you only need to import if you want your coins in a wallet.
325  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat* on: October 16, 2016, 09:53:22 PM
when is the ICO verification commencing.....

326  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] AMP - The Currency That Powers Your Attention On Synereo on: October 16, 2016, 03:38:11 PM
The actions of Synereo developer is called fruad, all this preset ICO thing needs to stop, they decided to pump a token from 16ksat to 40ksat and now fixed the minimum ICO price per token to 33ksat.

Any proof?
If not, keep your conspiracy theories to yourself.
You missed out on buying at 16k sats, now its at 33k sats, deal with it.
327  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] AMP - The Currency That Powers Your Attention On Synereo on: October 13, 2016, 07:18:25 PM
Everyone who is complaining about the price doesn't believe in Synereo.
People who do believe in this project don;t give two sh**ts about the price right now.
If your not in this for the long run. bore off.
I am in for longterm. But why is it forbidden for people to enter in the short term ? Because you say so ?

Nope.... i am simply telling them to bore off.
This is a thread for Synereo supporters to read up on useful related things,
This isn;t a thread for whining ICO short term flippers who care about nothing but the price.

The second round ICO was intended to fund development. That has been made very clear from the start to everyone therefore those that are complaining about the 40k satoshis quite simply care more about the price(and their personal gains) than the development of this coin.

Wait a year and you will see this reach 400k sats minimum with or without the ICO whiners onboard.

328  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] AMP - The Currency That Powers Your Attention On Synereo on: October 13, 2016, 05:43:50 PM
LOL at whiners showing a 2wk section on the chart for a coin that's going moon in months!!  many were in cheap yes, smart buyers silly dumpers.  Those same dumpers now will cry in a few months time as well.  it's the big whale cucks controlling the price (for now) as it is anyways so no fucking point to stress when price goes 33k to 27k lol...wusses.  it's mainly cos BTC is up.

You're probably right, it looks like refined manipulation, but crowd sale buyers are in a difficult situation, their holdings are in the red.
Crow sale buyers should be rewarded.. instead some greedy whales screwed them up, its sad.

Everyone who is complaining about the price doesn't believe in Synereo.
People who do believe in this project don;t give two sh**ts about the price right now.
If your not in this for the long run. bore off.
329  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] AMP - The Currency That Powers Your Attention On Synereo on: October 13, 2016, 01:15:01 PM
So many whiners and moaners on this thread.
If you don;t want to pay 40k sats per amp, don;t buy it.
Nobody cares.
Period
330  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 12, 2016, 09:42:16 AM
when is the platform released?
331  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] Inchain - insurance for the crypto economy on: October 11, 2016, 10:10:01 PM
Everyone is excited as usual about new ICO, but can anyone explain me in plain english what is the business case?

What is the business model?
Who are the customers?

Does anyone understand that as business model insurance is a strict statistic based business? and that for insurance to work out there has to be enough companies or private persons to pay for insurance? And on top of that the number of "issues" which has to be covered by insurance has to be pretty low considering total numbers of same insured cases?


Here we go:

What is the business model?
In a nutshell, the concept is to cover losses if an exchange/wallet has been compromised. If someone has paid a fee, Inchain will reimburse him if the exchange is hacked and unable to recover its losses. At the same time, the platform issues tokens and offer them to investors who will be receiving coupons if the exchange/wallet is safe and sound. Otherwise, the investors in the tokens may lose a part of their investments.

Who are the customers?
Our customers are individuals who have accounts with crypto exchanges and online wallets.

Does anyone understand that as business model insurance is a strict statistic based business? and that for insurance to work out there has to be enough companies or private persons to pay for insurance? And on top of that the number of "issues" which has to be covered by insurance has to be pretty low considering total numbers of same insured cases?

We see that many people are interested in insurance, which is understandable given the number of hacks happened. According to our finmodel the concept is feasible if 5K accountholders insure their accounts.
We plan to start with serving accounts of 15-20 platforms to diversify risks. Investors in tokens(bonds) will not lose the investments unless 3 or more platforms got hacked in one year.

Feel free to make any suggestions or comments.


Well it depends which exchange got hacked. Some are bigger than others.
Anyways, in order to assess these exchanges, i presume you will be hiring a team of security auditors for the platforms to assess the likeability of them getting hacked with their current security measures. How will these metrics be measured? Will Inchain be hiring fulltime platform security consultants.
Where can we see the actual maths in order to determine the profitability of this.
Are you saying that the exchanges will give its users a possibility to insure their accounts? or will the insurance be a platform owners cost?
How will the DAO know to refund the platforms? who/what are the Oracles?
332  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] Inchain - insurance for the crypto economy on: October 10, 2016, 10:00:55 PM
http://themerkle.com/dao-attack-nullified-using-synereos-smart-contracting-language/



DAO Attack Nullified Using Synereo’s Smart Contracting Language

Designing expressive distributed protocols that can gracefully withstand attacks and manipulation is not a trivial task. Even solving a relatively simple use case, Bitcoin’s success in providing currency free of central control was certainly cause for celebration. When dealing with more complex problems, like financial contracts and governance, we have to step up our game.

Whether one believes the attack on the DAO was a problem in the contract or a flaw in Ethereum’s smart contracting language Solidity itself, it certainly highlights the need for better tools to help with the analysis of contracts deployed in mission-critical situations. To have such tools, a candidate for a smart contracting language needs to have a much greater level of precision in its specification. In fact, it needs a mathematically precise specification, usually called a formal semantics, to provide tools to analyze contracts that are to serve as dependable, production-quality services.

Without a formal semantics, it is impossible to reason about the code and specify what it does or to utilize any formal verification method to assure that it complies with any specification. For all intents and purposes, the only specification of Solidity’s semantics is its compiler to byte code for the Ethereum virtual machine (EVM). This compiler has not been formally verified. Likewise, the virtual machine running the code has not been verified, and so it is next to impossible to say anything meaningful about what contracts in Solidity are supposed to do.

Ethereum’s less rigorous approach has been cause for concern from day one, casually dismissed because most of us were ecstatic even just with the idea of a contracting system completely independent of any central entity or friction caused by middle-men. As has been predicted, we’re now at a point where a naive implementation free of a formal semantics can’t supply the sort of precision needed for proper analysis of mission-critical contracts. Further, as more and more smart contracts get written and deployed, it becomes more and more important to be able to analyze them, and even to analyze how they work together.

Synereo has been driving a mathematically rigorous approach to smart contracts since its inception so that it can provide the proper tool set for this kind of analysis. In a paper published by Jack Pettersson, Synereo’s language expert, and Greg Meredith, CTO, our approach is described through an example showing that Synereo’s Rholang smart contracting language would not allow the re-entrancy bug. This means that the security breach which allowed the attacker to drain The DAO of funds wouldn’t ever materialize in an equivalent Synereo implementation – all through automated checks during compilation.

Rholang is a language developed by Synereo specifically to support fine-grained concurrency inside smart contracts, with semantics derived from a mobile process calculus called the rho-calculus. As such, the Rholang compiler can use model checkers and theorem provers, useful particularly for checking and verifying contracts making use of concurrent and distributed processing of events. As Jack and Greg show, a modest type declaration, roughly similar to the kinds of types one finds in modern programming languages like Java and Scala, turns into a check in a model-checker — which when incorporated into the compiler pipeline as it is in Rholang — causes the compiler itself to prevent the malicious contract from ever existing in run-time.

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Before looking at some of the details, it’s useful to compare contract development to other fields. Consider the electrician’s job. Running current through a household is absolutely mission-critical. Get it wrong and the house burns down. There was a time when electricians were more like artisans, handcrafting wiring solutions, many of which were completely unsafe. Now, there are standardized components and best practices that not only allow electricians to assemble a wiring solution for a household out of well-understood components but also allow teams of electricians to cooperate to wire much larger buildings with power.

The approach Rholang adopts is a lot like that. Contracts and even smaller units of logic inside contracts use types to say whether it’s safe to plug things together. Programmers familiar with languages like Java, C# or other popular languages are very familiar with this approach to assembling programs out of components that come with descriptions for how to use them safely. The only new thing here is that Rholang’s types capture more information about what constitutes safe use.

How does it work?

In Rholang, developers may specify which contracts the applications they create can accept through defining the contracts’ behavioral types.

What are behavioral types? This is a new development in programming, where more information about the behavior and structure of the code is captured at a higher level than of the code itself. Types define certain rules and forms that the code must abide by; for example that an update to the contract’s state is carried out to completion before allowing the contract to be called on again.

The above, in essence, is the core of the flaw the attacker exploited in the DAO: the contract handling a request for withdrawal was called on again and again before it was allowed to finish updating its balance. In a concurrent setting, like Rholang, the update and the re-entrance to the contract are racing, and the compiler checks the type to see if such a race is considered safe. In Jack and Greg’s paper, the type for the contract explicitly declares that that race is not safe, and rightly so, the compiler rejects the contract code as not respecting the type. In the Solidity contract for the DAO, the problem is even worse because the code path for re-entering the contract is not just racing, it’s always favored over the completion of the update.

We wholeheartedly acknowledge that reasoning about concurrent and distributed computing is hard. The approach taken by Synereo looks to make developers’ lives easier, and in ways that don’t interrupt their flow. By integrating tools for compile-time formal verification and relying on behavioral types, we achieve three goals: 1, the developer gets two views of the program, one at the level of the code and another at the level of the type; 2, the compiler itself informs the developer that his intention, as manifested through the defined types, is not captured in the actual code; and 3, the verification is part of the development process. Developers are well accustomed to compilers type-checking their code.

This holistic view of formal verification as part of the development process from start to finish has other benefits. For example, it gives rise to a design-by-type discipline which, in the case of the DAO bug, would bring more attention to the essential issue. As we can see in the paper, the type abstracts away much of the details of the contract and focuses on where concurrency and non-determinism is allowed – and where it must be prevented. These, and other benefits of Synereo’s approach lend themselves well to creating completely decentralized applications and protocols which are both simple and robust.

In conclusion

It is only when the right tools are in place that we can expect the decentralized economy to materialize – and to start becoming relevant to people outside of the cryptocurrency movement.

Formal verification must become standard practice in mission-critical decentralized applications, in the finance realm and beyond. Alongside it, Synereo reputation mechanisms ensure humans are still involved in the mix, acting as sanity checks in edge cases that even the best-written code and most-refined contracts could not predict.

We believe our dialogue with Ethereum continues to be extremely fruitful and productive for the entire ecosystem. All of us can benefit from the different expertise each party can bring to the table. We believe Synereo has the leading platform for creating secure and scalable decentralized contracts and applications and are committed to bringing these tools to the developer community post-haste.

333  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] Inchain - insurance for the crypto economy on: October 10, 2016, 09:30:26 PM
I am not sure about the situation at the moment but i find it hard to believe that using an Ethereum DAO will be 100% exploit proof considering its only been a few months since the last exploit in the contract was found in a 150million dollar project.

Consult an Ethereum security expert i guess.
Is there any software solution in the universe with 100% guarantee it not will be hacked? A rhetorical question.

One of the reasons synereo is getting so much hype is becouse they will be creating alot safer smart contracts. The team describes Synereo's native smart contract language, Rholang (Reflective, Higher-Order process Language), as safer than similar languages like Ethereum's Solidity and more similar to established reflective programming languages like Java and C#.


You will have to wait a while to use Synereo so at the moment thats not on the cards.
334  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] Inchain - insurance for the crypto economy on: October 10, 2016, 09:20:01 PM
Why is the legal structure of this ICO being compared to the DAO?

And what gives Inchain tokens value?
Because Inchain will be run by a DAO, so having the legal framework in place will be important for investors.

I didn;t realise that creating an Ethereum DAO was still possible after the DAO hack.



Why?

Becouse it proves that creating DAO on ethereum has vulnerabilities,
Unless inchain is investing heavily in security auditing of its DAO smart contract (which i doubt will be greater than slock.it), there is a chance that someone can find exploits/hacks in the code & steal all the funds. No, Ethereum would not do another rollback if this happened to Inchain.
I am not sure about the situation at the moment but i find it hard to believe that using an Ethereum DAO will be 100% exploit proof considering its only been a few months since an exploit was found in the DAO contract for a 150million dollar project.

Consult an Ethereum security expert i guess.
335  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] Inchain - insurance for the crypto economy on: October 10, 2016, 08:19:05 PM
Why is the legal structure of this ICO being compared to the DAO?

And what gives Inchain tokens value?
Because Inchain will be run by a DAO, so having the legal framework in place will be important for investors.

I didn;t realise that creating an Ethereum DAO was still possible after the DAO hack.

336  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] Inchain - insurance for the crypto economy on: October 10, 2016, 04:35:34 PM
Why is the legal structure of this ICO being compared to the DAO?

And what gives Inchain tokens value?
337  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] Inchain - insurance for the crypto economy on: October 10, 2016, 11:08:25 AM
how does this coin gain value?
338  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: METAVERSE CROWDSALE DISCUSSION on: October 09, 2016, 09:05:17 PM
Also - How do ppl check their Metaverse balance if they send funds to the bitcoin address provided?
339  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] IPO of MaidSafe:  Entering the Future of the Decentralized Internet on: October 09, 2016, 08:59:34 PM
How much longer will this project take to be completed?
Does anyone know?
340  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] VOXELS (VOX) | The Official Coin of Virtual Reality and Voxelus Platform on: October 09, 2016, 07:18:58 PM
So to sum up...... Is voxels a good buy or not?
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