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381  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 16, 2013, 08:19:47 AM
Satoshi Poker now has SSL on our site and server side..

Point-to-point encryption with the website and poker server for maximum protection.

https://satoshipoker.org

HTML5 CLIENT

https://satoshipoker.org/html5
It will be nicer if you add the cashier options in the HTML5 client  Smiley
SSL was first, website login equipped with deposit and withdrawal buttons will be here tomorrow.

Stay tuned.
382  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 16, 2013, 05:55:21 AM
Satoshi Poker now has SSL on our site and server side..

Point-to-point encryption with the website and poker server for maximum protection.

https://satoshipoker.org

HTML5 CLIENT

https://satoshipoker.org/html5
383  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 13, 2013, 05:50:43 PM
Mr BitcoinFlush,
you might wanta read this.
This same Joey guy is playing @ Satoshi:
http://grindabit.discussioncommunity.com/post/Unofficial-petition-to-get-rid-of-Joey-and-Anita-from-SWC-6358615?trail=15

Just a heads-up 4 now.
I know we value our anonymity, but this guy openly brags about vulturing on newbies... Shocked Shocked
Thanks for the heads up.
384  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 12, 2013, 11:30:57 PM
Anything over 1 chip should be allowed.

Cashout minimum is 500 chips.
385  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 12, 2013, 03:15:32 PM
Deposits work again.

When our server was having maintenance , the deposits end of it was never brought back up.

Everything is back to normal now, and your deposits should show in your accounts.
386  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 12, 2013, 12:19:56 PM
It seems that there is an issue with our deposit page. We have temporarily shut it down to analyse the issue and fix the problem.
387  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 12, 2013, 10:06:53 AM
deposits not instantly updating tonight? 

just made a .2 btc deposit, completed thru coinbase, but no chips in my account. kinda disappointed

I thought deposits were instant?

https://blockchain.info/address/1NS8ZnnVcn4QGzW4385AUafrWQc8bY8pH7
yes, deposits should be instant. Im now checking out what happened
388  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 11, 2013, 05:10:50 PM
I thought if u made it an "unoffical" thread I wouldn't cost anything. I'm most likely wrong on that tho
We tried that and it got removed.

I guess if you started one, they could not deny you your 1st amendment right to comment on the site.

Regardless we should be up there with an "official" thread soon.

Thank you for your support!
389  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 11, 2013, 05:04:52 PM
Hey btcflush, may I suggest u put up a thread on 2+2 forums. They have an internet section. Swc an pd have threads up, why not you. 

Let's get traffic up!!!
We are working out a deal with them to get a post up there.

Those posts aren't free you know Wink.
390  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 11, 2013, 02:11:40 PM
Sites back up sorry for the hiccup.

Our hosting provider had a late-night maintenance that we were not notified about.

Our sincere apologies.
391  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 11, 2013, 02:08:12 PM
On the other hand, if in fact satoshi is using house bots (no opinion either way) that is not only unethical but probably in violation of some rules:)  I understand that u all are losing btc's per day but i hope there are no house bots to try and get some of that back. Also i have never seen a rep. for a company flame so hard on a customer, especially a customer that plays so much.
There are no "house bots" being used at Satoshi Poker.

Even if we wanted to, we have enough feature requests and improvements to keep us busy for a year.

Satoshi Poker has never and will NEVER use in-house bots.
392  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 11, 2013, 02:04:25 PM
wow lots o drama going on here.

To be fair to both sides, my sn on satoshi is sootedtho. Just the other day ibetufold accused me and another player of being bots because we both sat out at the same time. (coincidence) I can understand his vigilance in the whole bot issue but dont call out every player on the site:) The bots are very exploitable so let them stay imo. They mostly just sit out in my experience so just gotta outlast them.

On the other hand, if in fact satoshi is using house bots (no opinion either way) that is not only unethical but probably in violation of some rules:)  I understand that u all are losing btc's per day but i hope there are no house bots to try and get some of that back. Also i have never seen a rep. for a company flame so hard on a customer, especially a customer that plays so much.

Anyway i hope this all gets sorted out so both parties feel comfortable in the future. Satoshi poker is my favorite btc site atm and i want to see continued success!!! great software, instant cashouts and perhaps extremely exploitable bots....whats not to love.

Oh and i am very interested in promoting satoshi poker as much as possible to gain a deeper players pool

I've gotta say... that seems pretty unprofessional to me. The way the site (anyone who represents them is essentially acting on behalf of the site) treats people, regardless of the reason, is just not right. The only other businesses I've seen do that have failed as a result.

You never argue with customers. If they are in the wrong and for whatever reason can't see that, just leave it be.
There are MANY players complaining about this certain individual on our site.

We have already said we are going to take a look at the problem, but instead he continues bashing us publicly when we have done nothing but give him easy games and a fair & honest environment to play in.

Regardless your points are duly noted, and we will try to lighten our approach with inflammatory customers. But please don't ask us to forgive public defamation and libel. Saying "we don't care" about the bots in our site is false, and goes against what we has already promised.

We have a pretty good track record of keeping our promises.
393  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 11, 2013, 02:54:25 AM
Quote
Captcha solving is an easy process. Almost all automation software have captcha solving included.
There are more than a few Bot-building documents/how-tos,
every one of them I'm aware of
never mentions Captcha solving.

Why would you be so against it?
Document-retrieval concerns in the past have actually supplied software
and PAID vendors to have their customers solve Captchas.

I am not against it, I just don't think captcha's will solve the problem. Bots are on any site with or without captcha's. But as I said I will look into it and already requested our software developers for a decent anti bot system.

We have enough on our plates as it is.

I'm not sure exactly what criteria to look for, but many bigger sites have done ban waves on botters in the past (they do it in waves so you won't be able to keep up with WHEN you were flagged, making it harder to determine what it is that flagged you). May be worth trying to think of some analytical way to determine a bot from a player.

We are seriously looking into this now. We have to find a solution to keep people like this away from our site. Next time they probably won't be programmed that bad...
394  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 11, 2013, 02:46:55 AM
1)well i accused only player who are bots and the real player here know that.
BitcoinFlush: You definately accused players who were not bots. Players who have been a member since the start.

2) i  attacked you because i think your in connection with the bot owner.  and i did not say ill destroy you i say ill make it public what i will do now.seems like i was right. becaus it only makes sense if the bots are housebots why whould somebody let 7 bots play in a 9 player tourney (1k guarenteed 110chips buyin) if they are not housebots? i think you do that to mimimize your lost.
BitcoinFlush: We have invested over $75k in this project so far. We have been losing a lot due to freerolls and guaranteed tournaments. We could keep this going for another half a year without being out of budget. And yes you said you would go public and then destroy SatoshiPoker's reputation and we 'would be finished'. With the made deposits by the bots mostly gone back to the bots or to you, you have played about break even and cashed out 4 times a day, probably to minimize the risk of losing money on this 'holy crusade'. You have just come to damage our reputation.

3) im sick at home so i had enough time to play today
BitcoinFlush: I sincerely hope your illness is not that bad, considering you making such sessions regularly

4) i expose them and ill upload all videos here to proof that im right and your lying.
BitcoinFlush: The video's are up on youtube already. You can post them here. I don't mind. As long as you and your bots stay gone.

5) i never try to hide that i used shanky years ago, to see how such bots work before that i did not believe it was possible.
BitcoinFlush: You said in the chat that you know how many bots work. Shanky bot is just one of the many out there and this one is not supporting our room. This time you probably used another of the many bots you know about.

why should i use such bad programmed bots which loose money? why should i beat my own bots? why should i flame them when they are my bots and tell all people on chat how they can beat them and that a want them banned? and ask you a couple of times to ban them?
BitcoinFlush: Testing purposes? With the way you placed your bots, you cant win money but not lose either and test your bots in a real money environment against a few real players. And then trying to make us look bad as a room. As you said in this thread already: you think our site is a joke, while you are profiting almost a bitcoin a day?

man your crazy...


people telling you for days who are bots and what do you do? nothing
i even saw you today on cashgame table with some of people who are accused for being somtimes played by bots.
BitcoinFlush: I was playing Indamuck as we were discussing possible marketing for the site. You can ask most people here that Indamuck is a real player and one of the customers from the start

i have all of that captured an will upload it asap with comments so everybody can see what is really going on.
BitcoinFlush: Capture how beautiful our games are now. Without you or your bots in it.

im was helping you all the time with hm issues etc. tell you about the mulitaccounts which you banned after that. try to fight the bots
BitcoinFlush: You indeed helped exposing some multiaccounts but then you and your bots were doing the same thing. And now I understand why you need that Holdem Manager up and running, because your bot looked in terrible shape without it  Grin.

and this is how you treat your customers...
Not the good one. This is the last minute i spent on you and your bots


395  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 11, 2013, 01:35:27 AM
Quote
Captcha solving is an easy process. Almost all automation software have captcha solving included.
There are more than a few Bot-building documents/how-tos,
every one of them I'm aware of
never mentions Captcha solving.

Why would you be so against it?
Document-retrieval concerns in the past have actually supplied software
and PAID vendors to have their customers solve Captchas.

I am not against it, I just don't think captcha's will solve the problem. Bots are on any site with or without captcha's. But as I said I will look into it and already requested our software developers for a decent anti bot system.

We have enough on our plates as it is.
396  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 11, 2013, 01:31:46 AM
thats not true... there are many captues which can not be solved by simple bots

and even a blind can see the bots on your site...
we have so much evicence but it seems like you dont care...

for example
always same timing
always same play style
often on sitout (guess very bad coded)
never chat (exept when somebody calls them bot than they start talking and saying they are no bots and after a while start to flame you. i guess the botowner than overtakes the account and uses all accounts to fool the other people so they think im crazy).
etc etc

what i also donīt like: after i exposed some bots the bot owner started to create new accounts and name them after me so people think im with them.

edit: and just after i wrote that the botowner take the botaccount and start to chat what they normally never do and accuse me for making all that accounts.

at the moment this site is just a joke...

Lets add to that the rest of the facts:
1. You have accused nearly every player on the site for being a bot and everytime i got into the chat 'all of a sudden they started talking to make you look bad', as if a bot owner would sit watching his bots all day just to see when you start to talk about them
2. You started the day with attacking me telling me you would "expose satoshi poker on 2+2, youtube and destroy the site" and then you actually uploaded 2 video's, exactly the same moment that all these 'suspected bots' came online
3. The kind of sessions you play:   2013/06/10 05:56:28 GMT +00:00 till  2013/06/11 00:15:27 GMT +00:00  total 18h 18m 59s  playing 21 tournaments and still playing at this very moment
4. You make a daytime job of trying to expose these 'big bad enemies' while you are making almost a bitcoin a day winning against these suspected bots. Isn't that strange? Or are you not keeping up with the side costs of your old hobby?
5. To explain people what you considered your old hobby, this is what you wrote in the chat:


Were you really only using these bots years ago? What bot owner would start making accounts that will get noticed instantly by the guy who is trying to expose them? What drives you to make these insane sessions day after day and flaming the chatboxes non stop? What makes the bot owner work exactly the same sessions, always noticing and responding when you are flaming them? Doesn't that make a bot useless, when you are monitoring it for 18 hours straight and looking at everything that gets said or done?

I think the answer is easy. I think you ARE running these bots and then pretending you are fighting them. You have the knowledge of pokerbots, you have operated them before, you are working the same sessions, they only speak to respond to you, and then you accuse me in the chatbox for running these bots.

You have 24h to withdraw your balance. Then be gone. And take your bots with you.
397  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 10, 2013, 10:42:34 PM
Build in captcha in the chat like pokerstars does.
LOL they actually used this on me once, in a dimer turny there.
Tell ya what, tho- it's damned effective.
Captcha solving is an easy process. Almost all automation software have captcha solving included. So we would spend a lot of money to create a captcha system which brings no extra security just to make people feel safer? I'll look into it what the costs will be
398  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 10, 2013, 03:48:39 PM
Dear players,

Yesterday and today I have been chatting in tournaments with a few of our players and apperantly there seem to be some suspicion that some of the players at Satoshi Poker are using a bot to play. After reviewing some of these players we have noticed that indeed sometimes some strange moves occur such as refusing to steal the bigblind from a player that sits out when a player is in the small blind.

This issue puts us in a dilemma. The only way we could ban accounts and confiscate funds is if we have absolute proof that somebody is using a bot, and not just watching a movie during play and thus sometimes not notice the steal opportunity. The only way we could build security against bots is by scanning processes and the hard drive and we will never do that. Our customers might have wallet files on their systems and we don't even remotely want any suspicion on searching for them.

Our dilemma is threefold. First, the very nature of bitcoin doesnt allow us to scan for bots and thus we can't actively fight them. Second is: almost every player at our site has already been accused at least once of being a bot and we can't afford to ban players and confiscate their funds when they were not botting at all. That would be theft. Third, almost every pokersite fights bots but no site seems to succeed in it, considering the thousands of bots on ipoker network and the Full Tilt banround back in 2010, closing over 4000 accounts. They use screenshots, drive scanning, processes scanning and so on and still all the major sites are full of these bots.

After speaking with customers in the chat of some tournaments, there seem to be one thing clear: the people are confident some others are bots and mostly 'because they always fold for a minbet on the river' or 'that was a bot fold, nobody would fold there' and more statements like that. The consensus on the tables is that certain bots are very exploitable and some of the players already managed to take the stacks of the bot suspected players.

As we can't fight bots effectively, we don't want to offer our customers a false feeling of security by pretending we do fight them. We just can't. Personally I hope that the better players at Satoshi Poker will beat the living sh*t out of their bankrolls Wink

Good luck at the tables!
399  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 09, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
They also took away the lower buyin tournies so if someone places in a freeroll they no longer have enough to buyin to a tourny.
This is a good point. I added a s22 Turbo Bankroll Builder to the schedule. No more gtd prizes on the micro buyins tho...
400  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiPoker ♣ Freerolls ♣ Hourly GTDs ♣ Lowest Rake ♣ 10 BTC Bad Beat on: June 09, 2013, 09:44:21 AM
have you read what a wrote relating to hm2/pokertracker4? hm2 support is must have feature.

btw only 1-2 tournaments per hour is way to less.
We almost have our hand history feature completed. We will use the exact same format as pokerstars so that these programs can process hand history files as usual. Me made a mistake by creating our own format first, but to get HM or PT to support a small site would take longer than just build something they support. It is coming soon!
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