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901  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: December 20, 2019, 11:27:38 PM
WTF?! Is this shit still running?

Can we finally agree to just run a poll and close the thread for gods sake?!




Some people like to play with this nonsense. Can't you just block the thread so you don't have to even realize that it is going?

Cool

No. We need to put an end to this right now. Babies are dying because of this ongoing nonsense drama FFS!!!

Maybe you don't care but *I* do... I can't look the other way anymore, so let's just do it:

Options:

[ 0 ] Earth exists
[ 1 ] Earth is flat
[ 2 ] Earth is NON-flat
[ 3 ] Notbatman is retarded, but earth is indeed flat
[ 4 ] All of the above.
[ 5 ] $9K (Vegeta time!!)
[ 6 ] weee weeeeeeeeeeeee
[ 7 ] I am NOT Batman
[ 8 ] Earth is spheric with squared corners
[ 9 ] I am notbatman

(*) From now on, choices [ 0 ] to [ 8 ] also include the statement that "Notbatman is retarded". Please vote accordingly.

902  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2019, 10:12:43 PM
Please everyone here support my motion to put up a poll to end that nonsense already: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.msg53399096#msg53399096

It's been too long already and we need to turn the page and go on to serious business.

Options:

1- Earth is flat
2- Earth is NON-flat
3- Notbatman is retarded, but earth is flat
4- All of the above.
5- $9K (Vegeta time)
6- weee weeeeeeeeeeeee

I did, kinda...


I can prove the existence of a flat earth:


Et tu, makrospex?
903  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2019, 09:51:36 PM
Please everyone here support my motion to put up a poll to end that nonsense already: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.msg53399096#msg53399096

It's been too long already and we need to turn the page and go on to serious business.

Options:

1- Earth is flat
2- Earth is NON-flat
3- Notbatman is retarded, but earth is indeed flat
4- All of the above.
5- $9K (Vegeta time)
6- weee weeeeeeeeeeeee
904  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: December 20, 2019, 09:34:57 PM
WTF?! Is this shit still running?

Can we finally agree to just run a poll and close the thread for gods sake?!


905  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2019, 08:32:31 PM

So it has been confirmed that Bossian my ass was one of them 😆

I have not seen $6.5 yet, seriously did we go that down? I don't think so. We retraced from well above if I am not wrong.


Are you kidding me? Yes, we did even go to $6477 a couple days ago. Just a fact.
906  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2019, 07:25:44 PM
You are right, they are all assholes for doing that as if we haven't better things to do than having to quote a post just to read it
907  Economy / Lending / Re: I want to borrow 100 BSV on: December 20, 2019, 06:18:37 PM
That's exactly what I was thinking. But then, what he should do is use his BTC to leverage a BSV position in an exchange. Way cheaper and simpler...
As an American citizen like me, what market would you use right now to short BSV?
It's not all that easy..

"master plan" of trying to leave behind the collateral and stiff the deal in the improbable case that BSV happens to surge (10%+).  
Lender was betting in therms of BTC so keeps the collateral and the lender wins even if the borrower also wins and scams at the same time?
Redtags for scamming and not returning the BSV which is now worth more than the BTC collateral? Broken contract..


So that's why 110% collateral is inaceptable in this case.
I'm not exactly expecting BSV to surge, it would basically be instantaneous liquidation considering the buffer zone..

I was thinking about Kraken but afterwards I realised it doesn't support BSV anymore (or it had plans to stop). Maybe there are others available, maybe not, that would explain the OP request.

We won't really know what the OP is thinking about unless he explains it himself. Would really like to know even if just to learn something. And maybe it is not as fishy as it sounds (I can't blame someone for *trying* to get amazing terms on a loan). Most suspicious things are that it is a completely new account and the specific BSV loan, which is weird to say the least... buy if he can agree to terms that result in a win-win situation for everybody then it's all fine.
908  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2019, 03:46:10 PM
I hate to break it to you, Mic, but the first twitches seem to be heading down  Undecided
909  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2019, 03:06:58 PM
^

I say UP. $7.5-$8K

The poll is outdated btw... we already went to visit $6.5K after the poll.

---

re Monaco, unless someone is already a decamillionaire and has yearly millionare income AT MINIMUM, it's probably not easy nor justified to live there.

Maybe Andorra might be a better place for reasonable tax/cost of living ratio but...

The moral of the story is that everything comes at a price and it all balances out in the end.

Just live where you want (and can afford) to live... you will probably be taxed accordingly.
910  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: December 20, 2019, 06:56:15 AM
^ LOL at... everything.

Wright's wife demanding around $100K to testify is probably the single most funny thing in all that shit.

Everything is so ridiculous that one could argue the guy is really a genius and has a master plan we can't even fathom. or he is the most retarded and reckless person in the world (most probable).

When all this ends, I hope someone make a movie out of it. Jim Carrey would be perfect for the role. He would need to put up some weight though. For the screenplay I think the ones behind "Pain & Gain" would also make a perfect job for this story. The title is easy: "I am Satoshi".
911  Economy / Lending / Re: I want to borrow 100 BSV on: December 20, 2019, 05:48:14 AM
^ @eddie13

That's exactly what I was thinking. But then, what he should do is use his BTC to leverage a BSV position in an exchange. Way cheaper and simpler...

UNLESS he has the "master plan" of trying to leave behind the collateral and stiff the deal in the improbable case that BSV happens to surge (10%+). 

So that's why 110% collateral is inaceptable in this case.
912  Economy / Lending / Re: I want to borrow 100 BSV on: December 20, 2019, 05:12:39 AM
Maybe my terms don't sound too good, but yours are even more ridiculous and my offer is probably the best you are gonna get.

Yes, your offer is really ridiculous. I do believe it is not the best.
OK, I do not need one person with 100 BSV, there might be a group of people. And to be honest I can borrow 100 but also 10 or 200 BSVs.

And the loan period might be a month but can be even shorter, let's say 3-7 days.

So, if you have 5-10 BSV and want to hold it for at least a week (no matter what will happen with the price), then why not to lend them to me?

My only condition is that the loan price can not exceed 10-20% per year.

The main problem is that you are a completely new account asking for a loan. 10-20% per year might be reasonable for a trusted member IF it really were for a year, but you want to extrapolate that interest to a few days? If we consider fees and all that you are basically asking for a free loan. And then there is the collateral that might not account for extreme valuation changes of BSV.

What do you want the BSV for if it is not too much to ask? I mean, if you already have 110% the amount in BTC... Can't you just leverage your BTC or convert it and do "your thing" then convert back?

Anyway, eddie13 offer above seems to be very reasonable and maybe closer to what you are looking for.
913  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: December 20, 2019, 02:09:54 AM
Unlike mine (I am not really complaining) nutildah post seems to be a perfectly ontopic and constructive one. Maybe someone didn't like to face the truth and that was the reason for deletion. Go figure.
914  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: December 20, 2019, 12:47:06 AM
Oh my... 41 new messages? I suddenly got very popular it would appear.



Awww, nope, its just korner (Bitcoin SV) clearing out all my posts from his thread!



 Cheesy

BSV - is Original Bitcoin.

In this topic, complete freedom of speech and anarchy

Well, so much for that ethos.

Same here, just got two posts removed from that thread. It has been ages since I don't have a single post deleted forum wide... but to be honest they weren't strictly on topic... I was asking "when moon" though. Meh, who cares. This is fine.

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A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

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nuthlida? jberher? I see you guys are having a nice party here eh?

When moon btw?

P.S.: Oh, and I would like a clone too... May I suggest bitsevre? Maybe bitsewer? Whatever it fits will be fine, I just want to be part of it.
915  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2019, 12:02:15 AM
Italy 0% because regulator still didn’t figure out how to tax bitcoins or other cryptos.
As soon they discover how to tax it: 23%.

It's easy, capital gains such as any other asset/stock/currency/PM/wood or whatever that result in a... yes, capital gain at the moment of selling.

Or have they specifically made an exception for crypto?
916  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 19, 2019, 11:53:20 PM
This article is interesting about Tendencies and Opportunities of Bitcoin Taxation in the EU.



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In the meantime, while it is absolutely possible to Live on Bitcoin in Europe, as Bitcoin Magazine’s Colin Harper did, the experience will be much more difficult, given the complexity and disparities between European tax systems, to meet the many reporting obligations that this lifestyle will generate.

Source: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-taxation-eu-tendencies-opportunities

I think that map is wrong. Spain should be above 20% (21% to be precise for that figures). UK only between 0 and 10%? And.... Italy and Portugal 0%? Really?

Also, what's up with the hard to differentiate colours?
917  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 19, 2019, 09:58:49 PM

I am thinking that the cost are the same after the halvening.

Only the new supply that comes out of that is reduced in half.


If costs are the same, and you get half BTC on average because the "new supply" is reduced in half, the mining cost per BTC effectively doubles.


* All other factors remaining equal, as stated before.

I would not characterize the end sum of the amount of reward as "cost," but instead profits per BTC that is reduced by half because of costs that remain the same and reward that is half.  Otherwise, I have already made my points regarding the matter.   Wink  Semantics, perhaps?

No. If we are talking about MINING COST PER BTC and after the halving you obtain HALF the BTC for the same total cost, the MINING COST *PER BTC* is effectively doubled.

What kind of really wicked semantics are you talking about? lol
918  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 19, 2019, 09:29:08 PM

I am thinking that the cost are the same after the halvening.

Only the new supply that comes out of that is reduced in half.


If costs are the same, and you get half BTC on average because the "new supply" is reduced in half, the mining cost per BTC effectively doubles.


* All other factors remaining equal, as stated before.
919  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 19, 2019, 09:25:37 PM


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Bakkt Bitcoin Futures Only 63% Backed by BTC, Despite CEO Assurances

https://beincrypto.com/bakkt-bitcoin-futures-only-37-backed-by-btc-despite-ceo-assurances/

Wait, what? That's not how they were supposed to be
920  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 19, 2019, 01:58:37 PM
Can’t sleep!
Actually feeling uber bullish, looking at S2F & loads of positive tweets.

Feeling very excited about our future gentlemen.

LFC, I've been following your posts, always gives me a smile as I'm also a hodler from the UK.

Merry Xmas man.

We do not s*ck c*ck from the first post !!!

Just laughing, welcome to the amazing WO-thread .....

Lol! Maybe an LCF alt? Tongue

Welcome xplode9!
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