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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / My first ICO and why I chose ICONOMI (ICN) on: November 03, 2016, 04:40:29 PM
Please check my new post on Medium

https://medium.com/@CoinEconomy/my-first-ico-experience-and-why-i-chose-iconomi-icn-3ede2a9d1d26#.3orl2yxj1

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2  Economy / Economics / China Prepares To Impose Curbs, "Capital Controls" On Bitcoin on: November 03, 2016, 04:27:18 PM
As seen on Zero Hedge : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-03/china-prepares-impose-curbs-capital-controls-bitcoin
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 03, 2016, 12:38:17 PM
Check my new post on Medium about ICONOMI :

My first ICO and why I chose ICONOMI (ICN)

https://medium.com/@CoinEconomy/my-first-ico-experience-and-why-i-chose-iconomi-icn-3ede2a9d1d26#.15l4858b2

Nice post!  When I first learned about ICONOMI I thought I was so clever.  See, there was a lot of FUD going around, especially on Reddit, and I didn't mind because I thought "these dopes don't know what they're missing!  I'll just have a bigger share!  Hah!"

Then we all know what happened... one of the most successfully crowdfunded projects ever.  Turns out I wasn't the only investor with some foresight.  It goes to show just how much demand there is for what ICONOMI plans to deliver.  It's insanely undervalued right now and that won't last forever.

Thanks, i would kindly ask to share on social media if you like it and follow me on Medium !!
Working on new ones !!
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 03, 2016, 01:42:22 AM
Check my new post on Medium about ICONOMI :

My first ICO and why I chose ICONOMI (ICN)

https://medium.com/@CoinEconomy/my-first-ico-experience-and-why-i-chose-iconomi-icn-3ede2a9d1d26#.15l4858b2
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Logo Contest !! on: October 27, 2016, 04:52:04 PM
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Contest : https://goo.gl/mqzcT4

 
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: What will be the price for 1 ICN? on: October 25, 2016, 11:20:05 AM
Coin holders please enter the request on Poloniex, which is the exchange that has the best liquidity :

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: What will be the price for 1 ICN? on: October 04, 2016, 12:52:03 PM
Considering that ICONOMI team is able to deliver what is written on the white paper and is not a Scam, which i strongly believe is not, since i invested a considerable amount of BTC, and i am in direct contact with one of the CO-Founders.
I don't see why it should have a capitalization bellow MONERO, LITECOIN and even RIPPLE on medium/long term.
Short term we can expect a lot of expeculation, especially because the ICO was a huge success and we can expect the coin to have a decent liquidity, which will attract whales, bots, etc etc etc.
Also i don't think the price will be linked to dividends distribution, a company on this stage should not even distribute dividends and should reinvest all the profits in order to make the platform as better as possible.
I am not to worried about the short term price because i believe in the fundamentals and i believe that mid/long term fundamentals stands over short term volatility.
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - a global marketplace on: September 22, 2016, 05:17:50 PM
There are a lot of unanswered questions and other incomplete ones.
Just some examples :

unanswered :
1.1) I am sorry but i have to disagree, dilution is negative for minority shareholders always. But by your answer i assume there will be Coin increase in the future. Is there a specific policy for it ?

Capital stock increase is not always negative. If you want to argue about corporate accounting we can do that, but which company has the same level of transparency and distributed ownership? No corporation that exists yet. Some DAC's have been tried, but overall they have not been success. Lykke is doing something new. Yes, there is a policy and the company is managed accordingly. If the people in the community disagree with policies the company will react. We are trying to build the project and the community, which requires constructive feedback.

Please keep it professional here. Yes, all polite questions will be answered in due course.

Ok you have a point. I didn't made myself clear, you are correct, capital stock increase and the correspondent dilution is not always negative when used with diligence and on behalf of every investor interest which in my experience is hardly the case, but when not properly used it can simple hurt the small investors, and in worst case scenarios they can be diluted out  from a company without having the tools to fight against it.
Please don't take my questions personally, i imagine you will want in the future to go institutional with your platform, and this type of questions will be recurrent on Due Diligence process.
 
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - a global marketplace on: September 22, 2016, 12:40:56 PM
Do you only answer questions that are not to be found in the public documents? Knowing this criteria would be very welcome for investors, so they do not ask these questions in this forum.
... I don't think we have an obligation to answer to impolite requests. ...

i read this entire thread and i didn't see a single impolite question, there are some tough ones but not impolite. If you trying to attract investors you should give proper care to all questions post in this forum which is one of the main tools (if not the most important) for start-ups in ICO situation. There are a lot of unanswered questions and other incomplete ones. Just some examples :

unanswered :
1.1) I am sorry but i have to disagree, dilution is negative for minority shareholders always. But by your answer i assume there will be Coin increase in the future. Is there a specific policy for it ?

3.2) I looked at all the documentation but didn't see any cash-flow projections that explain the 0.05 price, can you be more specific ?

from titan20 -- I don't understand. Are you just a volunteer that is trying to do his/her best or are you part of the Lykke team that is trying to attract investors?

Incomplete:
Yes, there is one dedicated expert with risk-management background. Who is he ? What is his background ?

I really like the concept of your idea, as i financial market professional i see all the huge potential of it, but right now i am under the impression that you don't have the expertise to run a project of this size because the way you are answering the questions give the impression that you are hiding a lot of information or simple don't know the answer.
There 's a gigantic difference between running a FX Trading platform from a complete service exchange, and from your answers i am under the impression that you don't realize this difference.
It's a pity the potential is really there, but right now i am out. Feel free to reach me if you want to prove me wrong, as i said i have from 5 to 20 BTC to invest.
 
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - a global marketplace on: September 21, 2016, 02:44:15 PM
1.1) Dilution is not negative, because cash goes into the bank for re-investment.
1.2) Yes, dividends should be payed via blockchain. Not planned in the near term.
2.1) UK is friendly jurisdiction.
2.2) Not sure, but some amount (>25%) of current capital raise will go to these costs.
2.3) Team is speaking with regulators in several jurisdictions. Nothing to publish yet.

3.1) The price is an ask price. Buyers can decide to buy at 0.05 CHF or leave it. Later the price will be floating, i.e. there will be an algorithm as a result of demand and supply (not direct matching for regulatory reasons).
3.2) See placement memo and annual report and various documents already released.
3.3.) Early growth companies usually trade at much different multiplies. First any significant revenue needs to be earned. Richard's previous company had net profits of 37M$ in 2007 (I believe he left active position 1-2 years after that).

1.1) I am sorry but i have to disagree, dilution is negative for minority shareholders always. But by your answer i assume there will be Coin increase in the future. Is there a specific policy for it ?

1.2) Sorry didnt understand if those are shares with voting power or not.

3.2) I looked at all the documentation but didn't see any cash-flow projections that explain the 0.05 price, can you be more specific ?

3.3) I am sorry i don't want to be rude, but i try to be as much Due Dilligent as possible since i invest generally something between 5BTC to 20 BTC, but the result of an earlier company can not be used to justify the valuation of a new project.

Just adding some more questions :
One of the most important areas of exchanges are the risk management part, because of all counterpart risk, operational risk, leverage etc etc, can you talk about the expertise in this field from the team ?

Also, can you talk about the legal expertise and dealing with regulators expertise of the team ? One thing is to deal with FX Exchange regulatory environment, another completely different environment is dealing with an exchange that can virtually trade any type of asset.

Thanks again for attention and fast answer in the first question.

11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Lykke - a global marketplace on: September 21, 2016, 01:19:51 PM
Hello everyone, discover this ICO a little bit later than i would like.
Already read all this post pages and the whitepaper, i am starting to invest on crypto-currencies related fintechs, made my first investment in ICONOMI, around 8 BTC and i am looking for the next one. I have a financial markets background (15 years experience in Risk Management) so i have some questions related to the viability of the business rather than the technological part which i don't have the expertise to analyse.

Off course the concept is extremely appealing, an universal exchange that you can replicate any type of asset is something huge. So what i am trying to access if the concept can become a reality, in terms of company management, expertise, regulation, risk, etc etc etc. And if this is a good opportunity at a fair price.

So following are my questions :

1-) Initially you had 1,250,000,000 Lykke coins which was increased later to 1,285,690,000 as explained already and 100 LKK represents 1 share, so you have at this moment 12,856,900 shares of the company Lykke Corp
       1.1) In which situations can the number of Lykke Coins increase again ? In case this happens again, current shareholders get diluted, is there any mechanism to prevent shareholder dilution ? Why did you increased the number of shares in the first case and not only just sold coins of the major holder ?
       1.2) 100LKK represents 1 share of the company, is this a voting share or just a share that have the right to receive dividends if this gets distributed eventually ?
     
2- Exchange License
     
      2.1- why U.K. ?
      2.2 - How much does this license cost ?
      2.3 - What are the regulatory requirements to acquire this license ?

3- ICO Cost

    3.1- Right now i see in Lykke Wallet i can purchase LKK @ 0.05119 per USD, who is setting this price ? is this free market or the majors holders ?
    3.2 - Do you have any financial projection that you can share that explains the rationale behind this valuation ?
    3.3 - This is not a question but just my view of the current valuation, from older posts the current valuation  is around 65.5mm USD with a projected revenue of 3.6mm USD, this puts a market Cap / Projected Revenue on 18.19, there are some exchanges traded on the market that we can use as peers comparison, CME trade at around 9 / 10 (30.5bi USD MKT cap per 3.3Bi Revenue), BMFBOVESPA trades around 10/11, and those are not projected revenue, those are realized revenue. Although i understand that there is a potential growth for the business, i see this price a little bit inflated.

i will stop here, i will read the whitepaper again to see if i have any new ones.

Thanks in advance for your attention.
12  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Instituições articulam adoção de moeda virtual on: August 25, 2016, 09:12:27 PM
Hoje vi uma propaganda de algum banco(não lembro o nome), falando sobre carteira virtual..
Enfim, acabei nem abrindo pra saber direito do que se tratava, será que era algo relacionado ao blockchain?

Deve ser o original, se for não tem anda a ver com o blockchain...

Realmente não vou lembrar qual banco era... Vi só o banner e não cliquei..
Qual seria a proposta deles? Algum sistema parecido com um Paypal/neteller?

Na verdade não tem nada de muito novo, é um banco igual ao Itau, Bradesco, BB, só que ele não tem agencia é tudo digital.
Mesma proposta do NUBANK, ele não tem nada diferente dos outros cartões de crédito, somente que é todo digital.
A diferença na verdade é que eles são tecnologicamente mais eficientes que os velhos bancos e operadoras de cartão.
13  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Serviços financeiros para economia descentralizada. on: August 25, 2016, 07:53:50 PM
Galera, a ICO começou, e já arrecadou alguns btc.
Não percam o bônus que está ativo

esta chegando em 150 mil dolares em menos de 24 horas ...
14  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Instituições articulam adoção de moeda virtual on: August 25, 2016, 07:52:36 PM
Hoje vi uma propaganda de algum banco(não lembro o nome), falando sobre carteira virtual..
Enfim, acabei nem abrindo pra saber direito do que se tratava, será que era algo relacionado ao blockchain?

Deve ser o original, se for não tem anda a ver com o blockchain...
15  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Instituições articulam adoção de moeda virtual on: August 24, 2016, 03:06:24 PM
Instituições articulam adoção de moeda virtual Por Martin Arnold | Financial Times

Quatro dos maiores bancos do mundo uniram-se para desenvolver uma nova forma de dinheiro digital que, acreditam eles, vai tornar-se um padrão do setor para autenticar e compensar operações financeiras usando "blockchain", a tecnologia subjacente à moeda virtual bitcoin

http://www.valor.com.br/financas/4684507/instituicoes-articulam-adocao-de-moeda-virtual

16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO starting in less than 24 hours! on: August 24, 2016, 12:58:55 PM
The big day is coming 19 hours to go ! Very excited about it, researched a lot, talked to the devs, i think the idea has a good chance of take off, lets see the implementation.
Go ICONOMI !!  Grin Grin Grin 
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO starting in 48hrs on: August 23, 2016, 04:07:43 PM
Can you provide access to some scenarios that lay out how the dividend math to token-holders would work in practice? I would imagine that some folks here may not be that sophisticated in their understanding of how the value flows through the layers here. Thanks.

The most basic concept will work like this. We'll issue 100m ICN tokens.

Then we'll create CTF and CMF funds.
With those funds we'll earn profits.  
Some of profit will be used to pay the team and our expenses (however, for as long as we'll still have funds from ICO we won't take any profits for team and expanses, but will distribute all the profits to ICN token holders). The rest will be distributed to ICN token holders.


Hypothetically if we create 3m EUR profits in our first year and we'll burn just ICO money (which for the first year it will definitely be the case) then 3m EUR will be given to ICN token holders as dividends. Payouts will probably be weekly or even more frequent.

ICN will effectively be a "coin" with dividend. One that you can buy/sell on exchange. And while you hold it it brings you a dividend. And the value goes up/down accordingly.



Dividends will be paid in ICN, correct ?
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: August 23, 2016, 03:04:04 PM
I have a question how will other cryptocurrencies be treated (Lisk and Ethereum for example) ? Automatically shifted to BTC or will they stay in LISK and ETH? I'm asking due to price volatility and if someone invests 1000 LISK how will that be handled at the end what if price is doubled or if it goes down as well as FIAT currencies?

Will everything be converted to BTC at the time of deposit?

We'll be accepting Bitcoin, Ethereum (ETH) and Lisk. All the funds will be kept the same way as we receive them.
At the end of ICO, that is on 29th September at 20.00 CET we'll calculate value of investments in EUR and you will then you will know fixed number of ICN tokens.

The same will apply to USD deposits.

Currencies that will be accepted via Shapeshift will be converted to BTC at the time of sending them and kept in BTC>




In this case the less volatile option to deposit is EUR, right ?


If you don't poses any crypto now then I would say yes.

And if you compare usd/eur then eur is the one that is not volatile. But USD can be compared to eur.

I think even if you have crypto, because you mention "At the end of ICO, that is on 29th September at 20.00 CET we'll calculate value of investments in EUR and you will then you will know fixed number of ICN tokens", because you are going to use EUR as your functional ICO currency, the only way to avoid value fluctuation (in your favor or against you) is to convert any other currency (crypto or fiat) in EUR and then deposit.
Don't you agree ?


Yes, you're right. However, if you deposit EUR and BTC appreciated a lot. Then relatively you get less for each EUR. And vice versa.



Just a curiosity, why not instead of using EUR you don't use BTC or ETH as the functional ICO currency ?

At the end of the day it won't make a difference to whichever currency is pegged.

Mathematically speaking ratio will be calculated among each and this one stays from whichever currency you use as base.

Yeah i agree that in math it won't make a difference.
The only way to avoid the volatility would be to you convert right away all the non-EUR deposits to EUR, and not waiting 1 month to do this, is this viable operationally ?
The way i see it i am very comfortable on taking the platform risk, but i would be very pis... to invest 5BTC @ 515 EURBTC quote and get it converted 1 month later lets say @ 412 EURBTC (-10%), i understand that it also can go up and it get converted better, but the optionality here is still negative in terms of risk.
  
  

In that case it is best to participate strictly in EUR or USD. Whichever is closer to your national currency in which you make money or keep your savings.

We can not convert straight to EUR right away, because in case we'd need to refund people they need to receive back exactly what they put in. The only exception (but here currencies do not swing up and down that much) is if you send fiat that is not EUR or USD. In case that you for example send TRY, those TRY will be converted to EUR and if we'd need to refund we would convert it back to TRY on the day of refunding and send it back - without any extra costs for you.

I see your point, i have the 5 BTC ready, will try to decide if i am converting it to EUR and deposit or deposit the 5 BTC and take the risk ... also i could hedge going short 5 BTC/EUR or BTCUSD in a exchange.

Plenty of options here yup.

In case you decide to go in converting 5 BTC into EUR you can create an account on Cashila - service we run. And let me know your email and I'll give you zero fee there for that transaction.

Nice thanks
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: August 23, 2016, 02:48:51 PM
I have a question how will other cryptocurrencies be treated (Lisk and Ethereum for example) ? Automatically shifted to BTC or will they stay in LISK and ETH? I'm asking due to price volatility and if someone invests 1000 LISK how will that be handled at the end what if price is doubled or if it goes down as well as FIAT currencies?

Will everything be converted to BTC at the time of deposit?

We'll be accepting Bitcoin, Ethereum (ETH) and Lisk. All the funds will be kept the same way as we receive them.
At the end of ICO, that is on 29th September at 20.00 CET we'll calculate value of investments in EUR and you will then you will know fixed number of ICN tokens.

The same will apply to USD deposits.

Currencies that will be accepted via Shapeshift will be converted to BTC at the time of sending them and kept in BTC>




In this case the less volatile option to deposit is EUR, right ?


If you don't poses any crypto now then I would say yes.

And if you compare usd/eur then eur is the one that is not volatile. But USD can be compared to eur.

I think even if you have crypto, because you mention "At the end of ICO, that is on 29th September at 20.00 CET we'll calculate value of investments in EUR and you will then you will know fixed number of ICN tokens", because you are going to use EUR as your functional ICO currency, the only way to avoid value fluctuation (in your favor or against you) is to convert any other currency (crypto or fiat) in EUR and then deposit.
Don't you agree ?


Yes, you're right. However, if you deposit EUR and BTC appreciated a lot. Then relatively you get less for each EUR. And vice versa.



Just a curiosity, why not instead of using EUR you don't use BTC or ETH as the functional ICO currency ?

At the end of the day it won't make a difference to whichever currency is pegged.

Mathematically speaking ratio will be calculated among each and this one stays from whichever currency you use as base.

Yeah i agree that in math it won't make a difference.
The only way to avoid the volatility would be to you convert right away all the non-EUR deposits to EUR, and not waiting 1 month to do this, is this viable operationally ?
The way i see it i am very comfortable on taking the platform risk, but i would be very pis... to invest 5BTC @ 515 EURBTC quote and get it converted 1 month later lets say @ 412 EURBTC (-10%), i understand that it also can go up and it get converted better, but the optionality here is still negative in terms of risk.
  
  

In that case it is best to participate strictly in EUR or USD. Whichever is closer to your national currency in which you make money or keep your savings.

We can not convert straight to EUR right away, because in case we'd need to refund people they need to receive back exactly what they put in. The only exception (but here currencies do not swing up and down that much) is if you send fiat that is not EUR or USD. In case that you for example send TRY, those TRY will be converted to EUR and if we'd need to refund we would convert it back to TRY on the day of refunding and send it back - without any extra costs for you.

I see your point, i have the 5 BTC ready, will try to decide if i am converting it to EUR and deposit or deposit the 5 BTC and take the risk ... also i could hedge going short 5 BTC/EUR or BTCUSD in a exchange.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: August 23, 2016, 02:40:43 PM
I have a question how will other cryptocurrencies be treated (Lisk and Ethereum for example) ? Automatically shifted to BTC or will they stay in LISK and ETH? I'm asking due to price volatility and if someone invests 1000 LISK how will that be handled at the end what if price is doubled or if it goes down as well as FIAT currencies?

Will everything be converted to BTC at the time of deposit?

We'll be accepting Bitcoin, Ethereum (ETH) and Lisk. All the funds will be kept the same way as we receive them.
At the end of ICO, that is on 29th September at 20.00 CET we'll calculate value of investments in EUR and you will then you will know fixed number of ICN tokens.

The same will apply to USD deposits.

Currencies that will be accepted via Shapeshift will be converted to BTC at the time of sending them and kept in BTC>




In this case the less volatile option to deposit is EUR, right ?


If you don't poses any crypto now then I would say yes.

And if you compare usd/eur then eur is the one that is not volatile. But USD can be compared to eur.

I think even if you have crypto, because you mention "At the end of ICO, that is on 29th September at 20.00 CET we'll calculate value of investments in EUR and you will then you will know fixed number of ICN tokens", because you are going to use EUR as your functional ICO currency, the only way to avoid value fluctuation (in your favor or against you) is to convert any other currency (crypto or fiat) in EUR and then deposit.
Don't you agree ?


Yes, you're right. However, if you deposit EUR and BTC appreciated a lot. Then relatively you get less for each EUR. And vice versa.



Just a curiosity, why not instead of using EUR you don't use BTC or ETH as the functional ICO currency ?

At the end of the day it won't make a difference to whichever currency is pegged.

Mathematically speaking ratio will be calculated among each and this one stays from whichever currency you use as base.

Yeah i agree that in math it won't make a difference.
The only way to avoid the volatility would be to you convert right away all the non-EUR deposits to EUR, and not waiting 1 month to do this, is this viable operationally ?
The way i see it i am very comfortable on taking the platform risk, but i would be very pis... to invest 5BTC @ 515 EURBTC quote and get it converted 1 month later lets say @ 412 EURBTC (-10%), i understand that it also can go up and it get converted better, but the optionality here is still negative in terms of risk.
  
  
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