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361  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Realtime datafeed for daytraders on: April 22, 2013, 02:52:31 PM


This guy is working on something:

https://rtbtc.com/

His other work is quite decent:

http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/ticker/

http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/widget/chart/

362  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? on: April 22, 2013, 12:58:05 PM
Satoshi is certainly here and observing how his baby is developing.
When the world has accepted bitcoin, he might reveal his true identity.

If someone claimed he is Satoshi, would you believe him?

To prove his identity he needs to at least:
-send one bitcoin from his original wallet to a new wallet.
-discuss cryptography with experts so his competency can be proven
-show personal projects, documents and mail conversations that has not been publicized yet

He must be a well-known person...
Who previously developed a complex distributed network IN THE REAL WORLD...
No one just comes out of no where and designs BTC on a napkin...
"Graduate students" don't know shit...
That's why the eDonkey thing is such a great clue.
363  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: MtGox downtime recorded on: April 22, 2013, 12:32:52 PM
Today they made 12M US$ volume. At 0.20% fee that's an annualized rate of 8.6M$ of profit. That should buy enough servers to handle legit or illegit clients, depending on how powerful the other side might be.

They probably make 5-10 times that by manipulating the market...
Like engineering 10% price swings every few days.

They are a monopoly...
And they are not making squat on those "low" fees...
Read between the lines.
364  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Canadian Exchange Cavirtex IPO Today on: April 22, 2013, 12:08:41 PM
I like cavirtex but the whole Havelock Investments thing scares me into thinking they'll get shut down one day for unregulated securities trading and possible ponzi. Canada laws as shitty as the US now.
Cavirtex has done his legal homework, Havelock look well made and secure,

But anyway, I wouldn't take a GLBSE-Nefario fuckup as reference for an exchange getting shut down.

There is no such thing as legal "homework" in grey areas...
Even something as basic as US-Canadian cross border business = massive cluster****...
Lawyers will take $700/hour and give you conflicting opinions...
Then you are holding the ball when the authorities call.

VTX just moved their web site to Switzerland...
Their Canadian bank accounts will be shut down sooner or later...
Hopefully they can operate like this for another year or two.
365  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? on: April 21, 2013, 02:40:22 PM
https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=163

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The guidance pulled no punches with respect to a “creator” of a de-centralized virtual currency. The creator of Bitcoin, known as Satoshi Nakamoto, falls squarely within these rules to the extent he is “a person that creates units of convertible virtual currency and sells those units to another person for real currency”.


This is why whoever Satoshi really is can never out himself.

As if the NSA/CIA/FBI don't know exactly who he is...
Seal Team 6 could take him out in 48 hours...
And confiscate his pr0n collection.
366  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Ripple: A Distributed Exchange for Bitcoin on: April 20, 2013, 10:42:55 PM
isn't ripple a hobo wine too?

They should have called it Nightrain.
367  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Who is behind DDoS attacks on MtGox? on: April 20, 2013, 06:17:56 PM
Per Cnet article: "Attackers wait until the price of Bitcoins reaches a certain value, sell, destabilize the exchange, wait for everybody to panic-sell their Bitcoins, wait for the price to drop to a certain amount, then stop the attack and start buying as much as they can," the Japan-based exchange said in a statement at the time. "Repeat this two or three times like we saw over the past few days and they profit."

Any truth to this, or something deeper behind the scenes?

Just follow the money...
The exchanges profit the most from volatility and conveniently timed shut-downs...
Anyone can hire a BotNet and stage a DDoS attack.

I'm sure Gox has made 100 times more from BTC ownership...
And ongoing, expert market manipulation...
Then they have from their dinky 0.5% trading fees.

People think the NYSE is some kind of pillar of society...
There to do noble work for the little people.

Sorry, no... they are just a bunch of white collar crooks...
As a Pro Trader for 15 years I'm deeply cynical where $$$ is involved...
Human nature is what it is.
368  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How would you design the ultimate exchange? on: April 20, 2013, 05:25:27 PM
Can anyone solve the problem of avoiding AML/KYC?

Is that mainly a problem for the client or the exchange?

If you want to avoid all regulatory hassles you could use a .onion hidden service. The lag would be heinous though.

It's a problem for both parties. If someone finds a solution that will be a killer-feature.

If you could somehow design an exchange that works like Bitcoin itself - completely decentralized, peer-to-peer and with no owner, one could hardly require that exchange to follow any regulations, just like bitcoin. The responsibility to follow rules and regulations born by the user. However, I have no Idea how an exchange could work like that, since there needs to be a way to interface with the traditional banking system. Such a completely decentralized, owner-less exchange would be possible for cryptocurrencies though (e.g. trading BTC for LTC).

If you view BTC as a "currency"...
And need to interface with the fiat banking system...
You get everything that comes with it by definition.

Otherwise it's like saying, "I want a liver transplant"...
But I want it to be decentralized...
I don't actually want to meet with doctors or go to a hospital.

BTC is really MUCH more like a commodity...
And the only way to decentralize exchange...
Make it convertible into a standardized, FUNGIBLE commodity like gold, oil, corn, glass beads, kWatt of electricity...
Done officially via the block chain = maintain Order Book in block chain...
But I can't think of the right commodity... other than other crypto-currencies.

Ya gotta think in that direction.
369  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Building a great Bitcoin exchange, part I: transaction fees on: April 20, 2013, 04:00:06 PM
Perhaps it's a good thing to incentivize the liquidity providers.
Also, I think you should welcome professional traders and bots, as that is probably the fastest and best way to achieve high volume and liquidity on the exchange. Sure, that will require you to provision extra network/computing capacity and a good API, but I'm pretty sure that cost is easily outweighed by the "services" they provide to regular users.

All liquidity on financial markets is provided by Professionals...
These are highly skilled people that expect to get paid for providing a valuable social service...
That's why being a trader is an honorable profession... unlike, say, being a poker player.

No Pros = No Liquidity = No Exchange...
Also, when the Pros stop trading you have a "liquidity crunch"... and prices crash.

This whole idea that tiered fees "discriminate" against amateurs is juvenile...
It's the other way around... you must have incentives to attract Professionals.
370  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Building a great Bitcoin exchange, part IV: the partial execution problem on: April 20, 2013, 03:25:27 PM
Prices on professional exchanges are "ticked". Do the same thing with amounts and "1.00000001" won't be placed in orders.

I don't see why a BTC "tick" should be more than 0.01 = $1.20/BTC ...

Smaller orders are called "odd lots" and are handled differently...
They do not appear in Order Book and have special rules for execution.

An exchange is not a free public service...
That's why you have rules to eliminate spamming, etc.



371  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Jurisdiction for an exchange on: April 20, 2013, 03:13:38 PM

You want to look at "gambling friendly" jurisdictions...
Research where major poker and casino sites are located.

It's often a trade off between:

(a) dealing with a reasonable level of AML regulations.
(b) being at the mercy of a corrupt Third World Govt.



372  Economy / Economics / Re: IRS to come after people for selling Bitcoins on: April 13, 2013, 11:25:36 PM
True, in most cases they won't be able (or won't bother) to find you. But the fact that you can escape being taxed, doesn't mean you are legal. Quite the opposite. You are breaking the law, and what you are telling me (quite right) is that it will be difficult for them to discover you. Yes, possibly, just the same as if you work for cash and don't declare the income. Still, it's a) risky and b) illegal.

If you're worried about the IRS, don't let me stop you.  Report all your earnings on BTC and roll with it from there.

This.

Doyle Brunson is a very wealthy man from his poker empire...
But he makes clear, "You can only get rich by paying taxes".

This allows you to leverage everything with real estate, loans, etc...
Any rich man should control assets 10 times his net worth...
In the end, it's what you control... not your liquidation value that matters.

It may sound glamorous to be a tax outlaw at 22...
But being outside the system will get real old at 40 or 50 or 60...
And the IRS plays the Loooong Game.

I fully expect Bitcoin to continue to grow...
And I fully expect 100s if not 1000s of BTC millionaires...
To end up in US Federal prisons.
373  Economy / Economics / Re: Why does everyone keep calling this panic a bubble? on: April 13, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
A bubble suggests that this was caused simply by speculative trading gone wild.

You defined pretty much what's happening... then you ignore it.

It's actually worse than a garden variety "bubble".

Because trading and pricing is controlled by a Central Authority = GOX...
And there is no meaningful liquidity or velocity of BTC...
It's actually a *** highly manipulated bubble *** with no rules.

You actually think it's a "coincidence" that GOX and Bitcoin24...
Had a co-ordinated shut down during a selloff?

I've been a market maker for 15 years...
Your "exchanges" are deliberately creating maximum volatility...
*** All market makers make a fortune from volatility ***...
It's like taking candy from babies.

374  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The 18 Most Ridiculous Startup Ideas That Eventually Became Successful on: April 13, 2013, 03:55:07 PM

This type of post is a logically fallacious...
Because is must be balanced...
By the 18,000,000 "ridiculous ideas" that failed miserably.
375  Economy / Economics / Re: = Grand Unified Solution to Lost Coins, Hoarding, Deflation, Speculation = on: April 13, 2013, 03:52:39 PM
Hoarding is not a problem. The word merely means saving. Saving is virtuous, not a problem to be "solved". I'm not interested in what "mainstream" economists take, give or do. If you want what they are selling, then please just stick with dollars or the local currency of your choosing, and leave us bitcoiners alone.

Translation: "Join our Cult, adopt all our propaganda, or leave us alone."

This Cult Mentality...
Is why Bitcoin remains an obscure, hoarded commodity (NOT a currency)...
And why several dodgy exchanges effectively control Bitcoin...
And are systematically looting BTC.

This has nor changed since last time I checked in 2011...
Because serious businessmen spend 1-2 days looking at BTC...
And then they just move on.
 
376  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: A Way to Create a True Publicly-Traded BTC Investment Vehicle on: April 12, 2013, 10:56:33 PM

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19hxuv/bitcoin_etf/

There's a lot of people thinking about this...
(Forget about ETFs with < 1% expense fees...
That is only possible because their assets are very liquid)...
But a publicly traded company whose assets are in cryptocurrencies.

The main problem that I see...
Is the expense of running even a junior public company...
Talented, experienced people do not work for free.

Ballpark startup costs $200K...
Ongoing annual costs with a CEO and 2-3 employees $500K...
Plus lots of stock options for everyone.

So you would need $5-10 million in capital invested in cryptocurrencies...
To support the infrastructure of a junior public company...
Because even at that size you are drawing 10-20% in expenses annually.

The problem is getting it off the ground...
Then it could explode in size very quickly.

I'm surprised that a larger miner with steady cash flow hasn't tried this yet.
377  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: IRS to track your digital foot-prints. on: April 11, 2013, 01:07:40 AM
probably costs more to do spying of the entire population than any taxes they will recover

Haha +1

I was thinking the same thing. How much are they spending on all this tech & spying?


It's free. They just borrow the money from China.
378  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is rampant speculation going to kill Bitcoin's credibility? on: June 24, 2011, 02:55:32 AM
It won't kill the currency itself (since it's P2P software), but will all of this rampant speculation (both on my part and others) kill Bitcoin's credibility as a stable and safe store of value in the long run?

BTC was never a "stable and safe store of value in the long run"...
What are you smoking, dude?

BTC with it's built-in transparently fraudulent "deflationary spiral"...
Was DESIGNED from Day One...
To form Bubbles on rampant speculation...
And eventually go to zero...
After the principals unload their coins.

There are 100s of similar scams in Pink Sheets or Venture Exchanges...
People run boiler rooms and rip people off for a living...
Right in the heart of Wall Street.

Nobody cares about people who get ripped off for being stupid...
It's perfectly legal to convince stupid people to give you their $$$.
 
379  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin's immunity to government action on: April 20, 2011, 12:12:11 AM
anarcho-capitalism looks like something good to incorporate into the system I am suggesting.

Anarcho-capitalism is not compatible with a government. They are mutually exclusive.

I'm pro-anarcho-capitalism and anti-government...
But I have to balance that with the Real World...
So don't take it out on me.

The NSA has at least 20,000 employees...
And these are not fringe hackers...
But highly experienced, well paid engineers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency

You can be certain that people have been assigned to monitor BitCoin...
That the network is being professionally monitored...
And all the principals are being monitored...
You may not know who Satoshi is... they most certainly do.

The US Justice Department has just shut down top 4-5 online poker sites...
Sure, it's only poker... no big deal, right?
But that is NOT the issue...
It's about circumventing the banking system and money laundering...
The principals are charged with offenses carrying 30 year jail terms...
And US prosecutors have a 90% conviction rate after plea bargaining...
For billionaires like Howard Lederer the new currency will be packs of cigarettes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13121768

BitCoin is on a  long-term collision course with the US Justice Department...
Maybe specific anti-crypto-currency laws will be required...
But that's only a matter of a few years.

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227.0

No one seemed to take the above thread seriously...
I believe one of the posters is under arrest.

Being an Armchair Revolutionary is a blast...
Till the day the cops knock on your door and seize all your computers.

 
380  Economy / Economics / Re: Breakup will threaten us? on: April 18, 2011, 10:13:34 PM

I do not think that is an entirely fair assessment. A speculative bubble means that there is no basis for arriving at the prices which an instrument is trading at. It is also not fair to lump miners with speculators.

As a quant, I'm just trying to reach a point...
Where I can place a "fair value" +/- 20% on BTC...
*** And this value is entirely unrelated to "mining cost" ***...
Except among miners = speculators (ALL MINERS ARE SPECULATORS)...
50 BTC every 10 minutes will be produced regardless of "mining cost".

Value tends to correlate highly with what real goods one can conveniently buy.

Since there is negligible commercial activity at this point...
And don't tell me I can buy a pizza somewhere in California (if I show a credit card)...
It's fair to view BTC, at this point, as a Bubble...
We are surrounded by Bubbles, it's a normal human speculative process...
Any Bubble can go up 100% and go down 50% in a flash...
And the posters in this thread show no understanding of Bubbles.

Did you know BTC price has a 0.65 correlation with Wikipedia "BitCoin" views...
Some high profile article come out... everything spikes.

Can I please hear an some economic arguments...
That specifically address the dearth of meaningful commerce.

Also...
By what economic mechanism does BTC in circulation go from $6 million to $60 million...
It's not via "mining cost"... and we don't like Bubble talk... so what is it Huh

First, there is a problem with your unqualified assertion that there is a "dearth of meaningful commerce". Since there is no systematic reporting on Bitcion commerce such as there is in a managed economy this statement has no basis. I can only speak from an understanding of a mining operation as a business model... So, I can not buy electricity, rent, equipment directly in Bitcoins right now, the fact of using an exchange as an intermediate step in this process does no de-legitimize it as "meaningful commerce". To this extent your statement is ludicrous. To say that miners are speculators is like saying wheat farmers are speculators... They actually have a position in what underlies the market, and that informs their business decisions, unlike pure 'naked position' speculators which have an entirely derivative interest.

Given the current network hashing power there is an approximate equivalent of 1780 GPU cores, from that I can estimate a total equipment investment of about $71,000, or around 1% of BTC market value, which seems reasonable to me. But that capacity will be effectively rendered obsolete in a couple of years due to Moore's Law, just to stay current miners can be expected to replace equipment at a rate of $1,365 every two weeks. On top of that, to keep up with network growth another $56,100 investment is required every two weeks. The overhead in electric costs alone are on the order of $12,800 every two weeks. This gives us a baseline for investment + operating costs of around $70,300 every two weeks just to keep mining operations current to market conditions. But there are only 2016 BTC available every two weeks... At current market prices, about $2,300 to be generous. That is a volume multiplier of over 30 just for the economic activity of mining, but it is not fair to characterize it as 'speculation'.

If you are counting the measly $2,300 generated by mining activity against price then it is fair to say it could not affect price that much, but when you account for all the economic activity from mining operations it starts to look more meaningful. I think mining operations respond to market conditions, but this also feeds back into the market... The two are tightly coupled. This does not mean that all of the volume activity over and above what can be accounted for by mining is just speculating from naked positions. There is actually no accounting for the real-world economic activity connected to those trades aside from currency speculation. Just because you don't know what that is doesn't mean you can characterize it as a bubble. As long as there are no systematic reporting requirements for Bitcoin economic activity this will be the case. There will always be people calling market fluctuations 'bubbles', and people calling bullshit on that.

With all due respect... your post is devoid of useful information...
Though it lends credence to the idea that BitCoin is, first and foremost, a Cult.

BTC has popped 40-45% from the mid-March to mid-April average of about $0.80...
With no meaningful change in the "mining cost" of idealistic, hard-working "BTC farmers"...
Or any other measurable parameter... other than publicity.

And why are you seemingly hostile to measuring level of BTC commercial transactions...
When every other conceivable stat is endlessly trumpeted?

So, perhaps, to someone else interested in commercial levels...

Assuming I use Gavin's tools, etc to scan all transactions in the database...
What are potential ways to screen out mining and trading transactions...
So that a BTC Commercial Activity Index can be approximated.
 



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