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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DividendRippler.com Anonymous BTC/LTC/TRC Ripple Gateway on: July 20, 2013, 05:35:49 PM
I believe currently DividendRippler only makes issuing/inbound payments if there is sufficient direct trust. Have you considered instead allowing any ripple payment path that doesn't have fees? Either always or with a per address DR flag or something.

I suppose if you implemented the bridging protocol this might not be a problem/concern but currently someone might have sufficient BTC trust among friends who trust DR but their incoming blockchain payments are limited due to their BTC/DR trust.
2  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 24, 2013, 01:53:14 AM
Can some moderator PLEASE add a mod warning to everyone who came from Ripple forums?

I have noticed that Ripple moderators has began adding the following mod note to anti Ripple posts:

[mod edit: see below, it would appear that GryphonArk is bitcointalk's jubalix and that he/she is just trying to spread anti-Ripple FUD. Read and make up your own mind.]

I think it's only fair that Bitcointalk do to same - add a warning to everyone who is also registered on Ripple forums. Especially if they came here to QQ about the broken liquidity providers feature in Ripple.
For reference here is the topic that TF is refering to: https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2597

That was added because users oblivious to the "experiment" TF did were wasting their time trying to answer questions that were not asked by someone honestly having difficulties but by someone attempting to manipulate Ripple or spread FUD. They were effectively complaining that they were having problems sending an IOU of their own to Bitstamp and claiming Ripple was broken because it didn't work. Well duh, no shit Bitstamp isn't going to take their private IOU. It was a question that appeared to me was made in bad faith concealing their intent and that both Ripple addresses in question belonged to the same person. I simply wanted people new to the topic to have some information before they wasted their time on it. Perhaps my phrasing or the way I responded in that topic was a bit severe or something; shit happens, I'm only human.

I am joking of course. Free speech apparently isn't one of the beliefs of OpenCoin inc moderators.

First, free speech in no why means you or anyone else is allowed to say/do whatever the fuck you want in whatever forum you want. The forum registration there (as I'd guess here; I don't recall) explicitly says that the owners can remove whatever they want (typically those clauses are so that deleting outright spam like Viagra ads doesn't become a legal problem). It is in no way a free speech issue if a post is removed or a notice edited in. Just as it wouldn't be a free speech issue if the mods here edited out my use of 'fuck' (silly when forums do that IMO, but not a free speech issue).

Second, to suggest OpenCoin is censoring it's forums is absurd when one considers this topic: Explain to me how Ripple is not a scam. I'm fairly certain not a single posting in that topic was touched in any way. There are also other topics on those forums highly critical of OpenCoin. When they made me a moderator (I'm just a volunteer, I complained about spam and offered to help) they mentioned they didn't like any censoring/deleting of non-spam.

The solution to bad information is more good information. That is why some people that like Ripple post replies when the see outright lies about Ripple made here. It's almost amusing to see the claims that pro-Ripple information given on bitcointalk is from people coming from the Ripple forums; as if there is some directive over there to "invade" here. More amusing are the frequent claims that paid Ripple shills are posting to bitcointalk.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XRP cross-currency Trading on: May 22, 2013, 08:43:19 PM
trading of other currencies with XRP??
For anyone interested, this was just asked on the Ripple forum.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Looking to trade an activated, funded Ripple account for LTC on: May 22, 2013, 08:26:41 PM
Hi all, I'm looking to trade an activated, funded Ripple account
Trying to trade a Ripple wallet is extremely unwise. There is nothing the recipient can do to know if the sender has kept a copy of the secret key, With the secret key the sender could access the account at anytime.

If you don't want the account anymore cancel all trade offers and zero all trust lines then offer to sell all but the account reserve of 50 XRP to someone by sending it to a new Ripple address/wallet.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple Starter Loans on: May 21, 2013, 07:01:05 PM
Perhaps I'm being overcritical given your apparent lack of understanding of Ripple (partially due to your account trusting Bitstamp and TF for 100 BTC each at the same time).

[all emphasis added by Pzi4nk]

Dchapes, I enjoy your explanations here and on the Ripple forum but I think you're being too hard on bitcoinbear, at least on the point of knowing how much XRP is required to have in your account.
Indeed I believe you are correct. Looking at some of bitcoinbear's posts shows no sign of the type of thing I incorrectly assumed by his participation in the BTC/TF thing and trusting TF (which is still unwise; I strongly advise him to review his trust settings; his current settings are akin to mis-configuring his firewall). As for my initial post to this topic, as the saying goes, "ass-u-me" and you make an ass of u and me. Smiley
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple Starter Loans on: May 21, 2013, 05:01:43 AM
Perhaps I'm being overcritical given your apparent lack of understanding of Ripple (partially due to your account trusting Bitstamp and TF for 100 BTC each at the same time).

I was just asking about the amount needed because I was not sure if they had lowered it, I seem to remember reading somewhere that the minimum amount was being lowered.

~76 XRP is a reasonable minimum now:
http://ripple.com/blog/ripple-reserve-lowered-by-75/
https://ripple.com/wiki/Reserves

I did not receive give-away XRP twice, why would you think that?
The ledger is public and for rHA7cXDZfeZqGNbihPnHhvwyEL8Rw4dRbJ it consists of only:

Feb 28 22:01:10 UTC Payment from [redacted] 300 XRP
Mar  1 00:49:30 UTC Payment from OpenCoin 40000 XRP
Mar  1 18:43:40 UTC Payment from OpenCoin 40000 XRP
Mar  7 02:36:30 UTC Payment   to [redacted] 75000 XRP
May 17 04:01:30 UTC Payment   to [redacted] 4500 XRP
May 19 23:08:50 UTC Trust 100 BTC/TF
May 19 23:14:00 UTC Trust 100 USD/[redacted]
May 19 23:14:40 UTC Trust 100 BTC/[redacted]
May 19 23:19:30 UTC Trust 100 BTC/Bitstamp


I assume a glitch in their forum scrapping bot double paid you. Not your fault if their bot screws up (unless you were double posting, I didn't bother to check; their bot should have ignored any duplicate posts tho).
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How To Trade (Buy/Sell) XRP within the Ripple.com Client on: May 21, 2013, 04:42:04 AM
Which transaction? Is adding trust a "transaction"?
Yes, rather than "transaction" I should have said "ledger entry".
Actually "transaction" is the right term. To change a ledger entry (such as adding/removing/changing trust) requires a signed transaction just as payment requires a signed transaction. They're just different types of transaction.

The real reason I posted: since this topic was started a Ripple blog post tries to cover this subject. They gloss over a few things but it's a nice overview.

https://ripple.com/blog/how-to-currency-trades-on-the-ripple-network/
8  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [SCAM ALERT] Free BTC Ripple Giveaway by TradeFortress on: May 21, 2013, 04:22:46 AM
No its not a bug, Its the ripple interface itself, , thats why its a scam.
Non sequitur
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple Starter Loans on: May 20, 2013, 03:07:18 AM
I believe people need 350 XRP to start, correct me if I am wrong?

If anybody wants to give me tips my Ripple address is listed below. If you want to add to the XRP starter loan fund, that is where you could send XRP as well.

rHA7cXDZfeZqGNbihPnHhvwyEL8Rw4dRbJ
Given that you don't know how much XRP is needed to start an account, that your account only has 800 XRP in it[1] and has barely been used[2], and that don't know better than to participate in foolishly trusting an untrustworthy source (while also trusting another participant in that for 100 BTC more while also trusting Bitstamp)... I'd hope no one would trust you with anything Ripple related. But the one (only) thing that "experiment" showed was that are people who will trust anyone.

If anyone wants a reliable source of starter loans, I strongly recommend visiting the Ripple forum. [Note I do not offer any kind loan or XRP for BTC service, see the Ripple forum for those that reliable do.]

[1] Could have anther account with an XRP for loans out I suppose.
[2] Other than to ditch/sell the OpenCoin give-away XRP (which he somehow received twice)

10  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress is a scammer. on: May 19, 2013, 09:09:15 PM
geeeeez, if a forum troll can wreak such havoc then ripple doesn't seem to be that much of a system, does it?
Except that the actual vandalism/damage to the Ripple system was non-existant.
11  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress is a scammer. on: May 19, 2013, 06:00:01 AM
Anyways, I think I wasted enough of my time arguing with you and other drive by posters from the ripple forum.

Who are you referring to?

I've been on Bitcointalk.org a year and three months longer than you have. 

Date Registered:    March 26, 2013, 01:04:07 PM

First post: coming here to promote Ripple
Presumably you're referring to me. I lurked here years ago but never got an account because of the density of loons here. I only got an account because I was referred to a Ripple question here and wanted to answer it.

But that's all irrelevant. It's an ad hominem attack and/or poising the well. Criticizing the speaker rather than the message/argument.
12  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress is a scammer. on: May 19, 2013, 05:54:54 AM
Out of nowhere...
> sending payments
> advanced setting

> closed source server features
> don't know ripple well because I can know what's in closed source software

I'm done.

You should see: http://unrforliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Our-Discussion.jpg
(I'd inline it but it's a bit big).
13  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress is a scammer. on: May 19, 2013, 05:51:51 AM
You would not be getting my IOUs if you have not trusted me, you would have got the IOUs of someone who you trusted who trusted me's IOUs which are really being backed by my IOUs.
No! Not "backed by [your] IOUs" there is no such concept in Ripple. The IOU I get is backed by the trust I placed in the person/entity to which I extended trust. Unless they violate that trust I'm not effected. This is exactly what I explained previously and in detail.
14  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress is a scammer. on: May 19, 2013, 05:40:44 AM
IOUs are substituted randomly without your explicit approval.
You approved it when you used the advanced trust feature. There is a bug/issue open to make the warning message even clearer.

Someone may trust two people both for 10 BTC, but they may prefer one person's IOUs over the other. Aka the ATM example I gave you a while ago. One type of IOUs may have a 0.01 BTC fee for redeeming.

In addition, trust is not binary. You can trust someone more than someone else. Ripple doesn't care.
Then you don't know Ripple as much as you claim to. The server supports trust quality levels to charge a fee for someone degrading your balance. Set the fee to near infinite if you like. Ripple is still in beta and the beta client doesn't expose these settings.

Then you don't understand the analogy. It's about misleading people to do something that you know is unwise.
Misleading what? I gave them a ripple BTC. It may be unwise, but that's not scammy.
You purposely targeted the newbie section to mislead people that didn't know anything about Ripple to make an advanced setting in Ripple that you full well knew was unwise to make. It's like misleading people open up their firewall or misleading people to reveal their private keys.

Have fun using a system that won't exist in 5 years!
LOL, that's what people said about bitcoin too. I've been using ripple for years and I'm sure I'll still be using it in five years.
15  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress is a scammer. on: May 19, 2013, 05:20:59 AM
That's a bad analogy. If receiving bitcoin payments required people to post their private keys...
Then you don't understand the analogy. It's about misleading people to do something that you know is unwise.

But (and this is a separate point, you keep introducing separate points ala the Gish Gallop) it's true you can't make a non-XRP payment to someone unless they have indicated someone they trust to hold the funds. Just like I can't wire transfer someone money without knowing what bank they trust to receive the funds.
16  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress is a scammer. on: May 19, 2013, 05:19:31 AM
So what if an IOU is involved in an exchange? I'm not going to have that IOU randomly substituted for something else because OpenCoin Inc places having a flawed system that somewhat works over not making me lose money.
And again you change topics and are back claiming IOUs are substituted randomly. A balance shifting between entities you've told the system are interchangeable is not randomly.. If you don't want your balances to shift, trust only one gateway. Which is the recommended use case.
17  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress is a scammer. on: May 19, 2013, 05:16:43 AM
There are numerous differences with XRP/BTC, most importantly the fact that you still need trust to send XRP transactions
Whoa whoa whoa, stop there. Sending XRP from any ripple address to any other ripple address requires no trust. Unless you're going to claim it's the users trusting Ripple itself but that's no different from trusting bitcoin itself.
18  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress is a scammer. on: May 19, 2013, 05:14:50 AM
If a person doesn't like the idea of debt or inter-personal IOUs then no one is forcing them to use them with Ripple. A person can fully use Ripple only ever trusting a single gateway the same way they trust a bitcoin exchange. Including, if they want, (as some have suggested) only leaving their funds in Ripple as long as they need to use the service (for conversion or for making/receiving payments). If someone thinks that's still bad then I hope they speak out just as loudly against all the bitcoin exchanges that are giving people internal IOUs for their USD and BTC deposits (and in many cases those IOUs are not transferable).

Irrelevant, explain to me how you would send $25 / 0.25 BTC to a friend without being forced to use IOUs in Ripple.
I didn't claim an IOU wasn't involved at some point for non-XRP transfers. I claimed inter-personal IOUs or trusting more than a single gateway wasn't forced.

So: I trust one gateway for $25 or for 0.25 BTC that I've deposited and the friend trusts the same or different gateway for $25 or 0.25 and then I sign a transaction. Now my friend can pay people with the $25 or withdraw it.
19  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress is a scammer. on: May 19, 2013, 05:00:42 AM
Irrelevant, explain to me how you would send $25 / 0.25 BTC to a friend without being forced to use IOUs in Ripple.
Meanwhile, with bitcoin, sign a transaction.
If you're talking about someone that has a bitcoin wallet and just wants 0.25 BTC then the comparison you should make is with transferring some amount of XRP which is ... sign a transaction.

But you mention $25. And since you like to ask for rhetorical explanations: Explain to me how you would send $25 to a friend using bitcoin. Not $25 "worth" of bitcoin but $25. If at any point an exchange is involved then you're using IOUs at the exchange.
20  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress is a scammer. on: May 19, 2013, 04:58:24 AM
But really what he did and what his intentions seem to be fits almost perfectly as digital vandalism against Ripple.
Except that the actual vandalism/damage to the Ripple system was non-existant.

What about people losing their bitstamp  BTC? That's the damage I was thinking of when I wrote that.
The only person that lost bitstamp BTC was someone that trusted TradeFortress to hold their BTC for them.

He claims he was not the one who ended up redeeming peoples bitstamp BTC, but that he just set in motion events that enabled people to effectively lose their bitstamp BTC. By lose, I mean have them replaced by TradeFortress BTC.
What would you think of someone if back when bitcoin was starting out, they had asked new bitcoiners to post their bitcoin private keys in exchange for a small payment or trade and if that same someone knew full well what the consequences of posting private keys would be? Would you excuse it as long as the person claimed to not use the secret keys themselves? Would you think it somehow showed a fundamental problem with bitcoin or with cryptography in general? Would you think it shows that some people are nieve and trust people with things that they don't understand?
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