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141  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 18, 2019, 10:42:17 PM
F*** b00ze is talking

You and me both, buddy.

Crazy weather here. Tornado Warning in effect until 5pm or so, but I think the worst is behind us.

Thinking of eating 1g of mushrooms and see how that hits me for the evening.

Life is good.

A tornado could take me out in the next 15 minutes, and I would die a happy man.

Hodl.

EDIT: Not sure if Mushrooms + Beer is a good combo, so considering holding off to tomorrow
EDIT2: Can you you imagine that ? A drunk, stoned, and psychoactive-influenced, intellectual, naked black-man, running down the streets of suburban Texas, in horrific weather ? It's like the opening to the next Cohen Brothers film...

i shall reserve 1 smerit for you.
and yeah, mushroom is much better without alcohol/tornado. #yolo  Cheesy
142  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 18, 2019, 07:15:55 AM
Even assuming it is manipulated by the Jews, you are losing your shirt every day.   The reasons for the price fall are irrelevant.  

Edit:  hah I’m the one sitting on an average 19x return on investment since 2013 while your silver has just halved over the same time period

19x overall or per year?
143  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 18, 2019, 07:07:19 AM
Su-uch a coincidence that. The NYAG rebuffed by Judge Cohen. 4 hours later Bitstamp mysteriously gets a walked down ask of 5k coins they 'can't deal with'.
Again and again the Central Banks have tried to crash Bitcoin, whether with China or Korea or Tether fud, or hacking the easy targets, or kidnapping the 'shady' businessmen. Pretending to be inept whales. All the while accumulating 'just in case'.
Again and again Bitcoin has risen back up, and further up, because more and more people realise what they stand to gain.
It's way too late to make it illegal effectively, so all they can do is rekt a few traders and slow down the buying for a while.

out of merit. good post.

the exchanges profit from the wild ups and downs. they are incentivized to "de-stabilize" the price in both directions.  on the other hand we need the exchanges, they are the frontline between dirty fiat and our sacred bitcoin. they are also responsible for the shitcoinery that took over. they should have tried their business model to be constructed vertically ON TOP of bitcoin only. instead they have chosen to expand horizontally with listing all those shitcoins. imagine what exchanges could have done with "bitcoin only approach": all the manpower they put in the shitcoin listings would go towards btc service development.

144  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 18, 2019, 06:52:49 AM
wenn bitcoin irgendeine wichtige rolle spielen sollte in der globalen ökonomie (sei es als p2p online payments, als remittances, als digitales gold, als neue anlageklasse, etc, etc) dann MUSS der preis viel viel höher steigen, damit der wert aller btc eben dieses bereich der globalen ökonomie auch abbilden/umfassen kann. hätte satoshi festgelgt, dass ein btc = 1mio $, dann hätten ihn alle ausgelacht. btc musste bei 0 anfangen. den preis nach oben zu ziehen richtung zb 1 mio geht nur über einen markt. gibt es einen markt gibt es auch investoren und spekulanten.

imho ist das eine (coole neue p2p währung, demokratisches geld, etc) nicht ohne das andere (preisfindung auf börsen) zu haben. leider kann der preis nicht gemütlich linear regelmässig wachsen. bis ein plateau gefunden ist wird es immer übertreibungen in beide richtungen geben.
145  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 17, 2019, 07:26:47 PM
We were expecting a 30% drop for a correction.

It happened, but it lasted for only some minutes, which confirms we are still in a bull market.

The bears got out of their cave and are parading in the streets, drunk and screaming victory. Funny.

This is only the 4th time in $BTC history in which weekly RSI, MFI, and NVT have all been simultaneously overextended.
The previous 3 instances were followed by 82%, 85%, and 83% drops, respectively.
https://twitter.com/hithrowaway/status/1128391235633176576

[img]https://i.imgur.com/UHInimg]

imho just cherrypicked indicators. rsi isn´t even very high compared to other times.
146  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 17, 2019, 12:21:00 PM
Nun, es gibt ja mittlerweile Tausende Indikatoren, nur die Körpertemperatur von Tradern und die Post-Frequenz in diesem Faden scheinen noch zu fehlen.
Post-Frequenz hatten wir schon, AFAIR.
Aber das mit der Körpertemperatur wäre mal 'ne Idee.
Ich schlage vor, jeder steckt sich ein Bluetooth-Fieberthermometer in den Allerwertesten und postet das live Tongue

endlich eine echte shitcoin applikation. das fieberthermometer muss online sein. internet of things.... IOTA  Cheesy

edit: lol, sehe grad, dass der gleiche witz bereits ausführlich behandelt wurde. das kommt davon wenn man gleich lospostet...
147  Economy / Speculation / Re: [prediction] Next spike $560,000 14 {<-oops!} months from now (2017 Update!) on: May 17, 2019, 11:53:42 AM
For me BCH is the coin that most closely implements the white paper, which is what all of my posts since 2011 have been based on.

I wish BTC all the best with their project. No hard feelings. It's just not what I bought into.

Fair enough but I sure as shit did not sign up for a coin mined and controlled by one entity. I think that's even a tad further away from the white paper than blockstreamcorelizardbilderbergcoin.


If this is th only and last argument against then it s gonna be fixxed anyway by the flippening when miners change to mine BItcoin Cash in the mayority.

didn´t really age well, didn´t it?   Wink

do you still believe in that "flippening"?



The SVippening - sure

BTC cannot scale for all 18Months

BCH is fucked for all 6Months

BSV is readyfinished now

Wink

ftfy  Wink
148  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 17, 2019, 07:51:29 AM
Es braucht sogar einen Rücksetzer um das Ende eines Bärenmarktes zu bestätigen. Klingt komisch, ist aber so... denn ein stetiger Anstieg ohne Korrektur ist 1. ziemlich unwahrscheinlich und 2. sagt die Kurve doch viel mehr aus, wenn wir jetzt ein neues Higher-Low finden würden.
Und diese Aussagen kannst du wie belegen?


das ist unter den TA magiern konsens. erst das higher low (höher als bottom oder auch secondary low) bestätigt das ende des bullenmarktes. solange es diese bestätigung nicht gibt sind viele trader imho nervös.
149  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 17, 2019, 07:15:56 AM
da geht man pennen bei einem kurs von fast $8k und wacht morgens auf und....

bitfinex bekommt einen richterspruch vom new yorker supreme court. https://www.coindesk.com/tether-ordered-to-freeze-transfers-to-bitfinex-by-new-york-supreme-court

daraufhin entsteht unruhe im markt und irgendein bot haut eine 3500btc market order raus:

Quote
That flash crash was because of BitStamp -- it was one market sell order -- they are calling it an instant sell order per the API call.
Bitstamp rep is saying this issue relates to this part of their ToS:

"Please note that stop sell orders work in a way that when the price drops and the order is triggered, an instant sell order is placed on the market. However, do keep in mind that stop orders are not a 100% guarantee of getting the desired entry/exit points.

Slippage may occur when the volatility of the market makes an order at a specific price impossible to execute and close. In such an instance, the stop order will execute the trade at the next best price."

Says this issue will be fixed on their matching engine upgrade
(source: telegram channel, habe kein statement von bitstamp gefunden.)

daraufhin werden $250 mio longs auf bitmex liquidiert. https://twitter.com/taiwandan/status/1129226754365648896?s=19



so, da isser also, der lang ersehnte rücksetzer. der supreme court richterspruch ist imho gar keine vollkatastrophe. bitfinex sagt, es wären gute news. schöne wäre es, wenn der kurs jetzt nicht tiefer als auf $6k sinken würde um dann wieder zu steigen. das wäre ziemlich bullisch. wenn wir uns das ende des barenmarktes 2015 ansehen, dann ging der kurs aus dem bottom parabolisch nach oben (von $200 auf $500) um dann 40% zu korrigieren. dann hat es ca. 6 monate gedauert, bis die $500 wieder erreicht wurden.  wenn es wieder so kommt, dann würde es bis okt/nov 2019 dauern bis wir wieder über 8k gehen. damit könnten wir leben, oder?  Cheesy

es kommt jetzt darauf an, wo das higher low nach dem bottom gefunden wird. alles zwischen $6k (stamp ist 1k tiefer gefallen als zb finex) und $4k wären textbuchmässige beendigung des bärenmarktes. (unter $4k fallen wäre nicht so toll.)

imho: ganz normale bitcoin achterbahnfahrt, gehen sie bitte weiter, hier gibt es nichts zu sehen. nebenbei noch notwendigen rücksetzer erledigt und kurz davor das ende des bärenmarktes zu bestätigen.

kann eigentlich nur noch bergauf gehen von hier.  Wink


150  Economy / Speculation / Re: [prediction] Next spike $560,000 14 {<-oops!} months from now (2017 Update!) on: May 16, 2019, 09:13:31 AM
For me BCH is the coin that most closely implements the white paper, which is what all of my posts since 2011 have been based on.

I wish BTC all the best with their project. No hard feelings. It's just not what I bought into.

Fair enough but I sure as shit did not sign up for a coin mined and controlled by one entity. I think that's even a tad further away from the white paper than blockstreamcorelizardbilderbergcoin.


If this is th only and last argument against then it s gonna be fixxed anyway by the flippening when miners change to mine BItcoin Cash in the mayority.

didn´t really age well, didn´t it?   Wink

do you still believe in that "flippening"?

151  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 15, 2019, 06:46:36 PM
An OG with 50k coins will have more power than most countries do now.
~150 of them will have half the world's wealth.
By far the most people will not have any money at all.
Bitcoin will bring about a new feudal technocracy.
But first, complete chaos.

That very well may be, but how exactly would you exert that wealth without spending precious bitcoin and thereby, reducing your bitcoin stash?
Bitcoin lending? Why would some lend a deflationary asset? Borrowing cash against your btc stash? That can turn ugly at 80% drawdown.
Bitcoin interest-a ridiculous idea that is not even practical without someone rehypothicating bitcoin, which should be a bad habit.
I am close to 100% certain that blockFi will kick the bucket at one point or another.
You could do lending  crypto to crypto with a smart contract with assets put on the line as collateral but of course this would need to be all cleared by the government as binding before anyone would risk it.

Yes, my point is that you cannot do anything without spending or somehow lending it out, so OGs will have difficulty influencing much, unless some secondary markets develop.
They could buy stock in Volkswagen as they own Lamborghini and that shits going to spike. That might be a safe bet actually 😉

LOL..so that 2008 superspike in Volkswagen stock was maybe a premonition of things to come? JK
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen/short-sellers-make-vw-the-worlds-priciest-firm-idUSTRE49R3I920081028


bitcoin was the second time in my life that i tried to invest in something. first time was ... well... the dotcom bubble. i had $10k to invest, went to my bank and told i want to invest in tech companies. my banker gave me a list of stocks he would recommend. i invested $9k in internet stocks and told him i want to put $1k in something as far away from internet stocks as possible. he did not like that idea and tried to talk me out of it. i insisted and picked volkswagen. wasn´t a hot stock at that time, the banker shook his head.
a few days later the dot com bubble bursts and within just a few days my portfolio went down from $10k to $1k (the VW shares did not move a bit), all tech stock i had was worth only pennies. i bought the very very top of a multiyear bubble. man, i got so mad. i swore to myself i would fucking hold that those vw shares until they 10folded, so i would come out clean.   everyone told me it was a stupid idea because stocks of car companies never 10fold. 8 years later (!) the vw shares made a sudden 10fold and i sold right away. the banker never looked into my eyes again and i had learned a big lesson.
when i bought my first bitcoin it again was at the very top of a bubble. bitcoin started a 90% nose dive one day after i bought.
i still own the dot com bubble stock. still worth only pennies. in harsh contrast to the btc i bought.
152  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 15, 2019, 01:55:50 PM
Kann man an diesen BTC Automaten eigentlich anonym kaufen?
Ich habe leider noch nie einen in Echt gesehen...

in budapest wollten alle automaten, die ich finden konnte einen ID check. in london wollte keiner der btc atm, die ich benutzt habe, eine ID. in wien gab es beides. cams haben die aber alle.

153  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 15, 2019, 11:31:57 AM
shitcoins are not innovative. they generally do not solve any technological problem. even if, by accident or because the dev(s) are so genius, there would a real innovation in the shitcoin space that is remotely useful, it would just get integrated into the the btc software. bitcoin is open source and decentral and the most brilliant minds in the space work on bitcoin. shitcoins are just mimicking bitcoin, but without any technological credibility. just a bunch of false promises. no real tech.

comparing bitcoin and shitcoins to stocks is false. bitcoin is more like an industrial standard like usb or internet. it goes against the logic of creating a global standard that supporting some extra 3000+ standards will help in any way. that is not diversifying. we could discuss if it would be fair competition if the shitcoin creators would come up with even a working crypto that has an actual use case. but in 10 years, no one came up with any innovative use case. all they do is making promises/marketing, trying to sell you their scam, bashing bitcoin 24/7.

if there are any noobs reading the WO thread: buying shitcoins is high risk gambling vs scammers. buying bitcoin is investing in disruptive technology.
 
154  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 15, 2019, 06:29:16 AM

By “value” I mean a use case, where the coins have been used for their use case.  

Other than stable coins, no alt coin has ever been used for its intended use case in any meaningful way.  

If they don’t have a viable use case, then they don’t have any value.

LoL. Do you actually see how hilarious that sounds coming from a bitcoin promoter ?

You think that bitcoin has any more of a "use case" or is being used for its "intended use case" ? We're 10 years in. What's the Whitepaper called ? "A Peer to Peer Electronic Cash System" ?

Look around you. What did you use the last time you went to the supermarket ? Bought something on Amazon ? Made a withdrawal from the bank ?

Get real. Altcoins are an $80 Billion market - that's quite a lot of "no value". The words pot and kettle spring to mind when people from either camp accuse the other of "not having any value". Most alts are doing what they were designed to do which is more than can be said for bitcoin. That doesn't mean it doesn't have a role, but everything in this entire sector is far more mutually dependent than many of their respective fanboys give credit for.



alts have a market cap because scammers lured them into their scamcoin. the invention is bitcoin and not blockchain. blockchain is nothing, just a way to structure a database, a buzzword. you yourself are the best example that the marketing brainwash that has been on full force for all those years is able to completely turn around perception of reality. you keep dismissing bitcoin and you do this 6 years in a row in a bitcoin forum. how twisted is this?  in your case the irony is that you were actually early in the game, but seemingly failed to understand bitcoin the slightest bit. it turned you into a sour altcoin fanboy.
altcoin pushers like you felt they were late to the bitcoin party and now desperately try to onboard an airplane made out of bamboo which will never fly. there is only bitcoin that works as designed. please give an example of any shitcoin that "does what it is designed for" .
oh and by the way: from airline tickets to bikes, from coffee-machines for our kitchen to pancakes on tropical islands i use bitcoin to pay for plenty of stuff. my sister ran out of money during a trip to london. she went to a btc atm and gave me a call, i was able to send her money instantly. bitcoin works beautifully.
take a deep breath and re-think your game plan, because you will get disappointed again and betrayed by shitcoins.
155  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 14, 2019, 08:09:24 PM

the problem is that no other coin does fly at all. please give examples for your helicopter. are are none.

What "use case" do you think bitcoin solves out of interest ? (Apart from making coin-grabbing early adopters rich)


so you really don´t know it yet? you been in this forum since sub $100 prices. you did not understand it back then, that is why you are no early investor. nothing to be ashamed of. but after 6 years and 6000 posts...    i see...

how about:
permissionless, trustless, uncensorable, borderless secure and safe transfer of value.
unconfiscateable, immutable, truly decentralized and safe store of value.

156  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 14, 2019, 07:08:04 PM


I think he is saying that helicopters can also fly and are not necessarily always 100% sh1t + they have also brought new things to the table like flying just 1 - 3 people a short distance to a city 200miles away that has no airport with a runway...



the problem is that no other coin does fly at all. please give examples for your helicopter. are are none.
157  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 14, 2019, 06:52:11 PM

By the logic of some of the idiotic maximalist comments in this thread, once gold nuggets were dug out of the ground there was no further need for diversification - not minted coins, not account based trading, not paper notes and not lightweight metals. Popular music need not have bothered itself further after the Beatles. The sovereign bond didn't need to be hedged by equities, commodities nor currencies, Fine Art investments were all "scams" after Da Vinci.

Don't you nuttheads get markets or what ? The whole point of them is that they're not tyrannies. There is diversity to address everything from taste to hedging requirements to technical deficiencies and vertical sectors.

Without diversification in the crypto-asset market bitcoin would still be in 3 digits.

jeez. imagine there were no airplanes invented yet. satoshi invents a full functioning modern airplane. it works. provably. and now there are 2 or 3000 others that build "airplanes" that are much cheaper (no wings), much lighter (no engines) or are made out of bamboo. you are saying that people should use those fake airplanes. that is not diversification. just pure scamming of people.    alts offer no use case. they don´t fly. the idiotic comments are yours. amazing.
158  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 14, 2019, 06:44:22 PM

No come on, tell us which shitcoin has done anything.
grin?
(tokens will be done on bitcoin if really desired)

Are you serious ?

The only one which HASN'T done anything is bitcoin. Why t.f. do you think it has a community on a near permanent war footing with itself arguing about technical priorities and forking the chain to Kingdom Come.



this is what you have learned about bitcoin achieving legendary status writing +6000 posts in a bitcoin forum?  

you are really saying that those thousands of shitcoins have achieved anything but bitcoin hasn´t?  

the war you are seeing is the hate of the altcoiners with all their lies trying to scam peopleout of their precious bitcoin.

account sold or hacked? lol.
159  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 14, 2019, 06:34:23 PM

the fair value of shitcoins is zero. null.
why would you advise bitcoiners to invest in scamcoins?

Although I appreciate the value of tribalism in a competitive environment, that is a very stupid comment if I may say so.

Bitcoin would be nowhere without "sh*coins" because they are the buttressing by which it survives. That "buttressing" provides hedging support, diversification, optimal access for new market participants and generally all round builds an industry in which bitcoin can consolidate roots.

Not least, alts are also a far more effective way of accumulating bitcoin than just buying bitcoin because at any given moment there's always one or more of them outperforming it for gain.

So all in all I wouldn't p*ss on the potato patch that you're growing in if I were you. (I also make the same case in reverse to sh*coin maximalists by the way - for the same reasons).

what is stupid by ALL means are shitcoins. you got it the wrong way around. bitcoin would be in much better shape by all metrics if there were no shitcoins. they provide no utility, they are scamming people, they keep good devs busy because every week there is a new shitcoin that needs to be implemented, they get marketed as "the better, faster, newer" bitcoin. the scamcoin sellers spill out nothing but hate towards bitcoin and its community. shitcoins need to be fought against in every legal way.

and yeah, some use speculating shitcoins to gain more btc. if i want to do that i just go into a casino because the level of scamming is lower there.
There are shitcoins that are trying to do what Bitcoin does, which fit your description.

And then there are some genuinely unique solutions. Not going to shill in the WO thread, but you're missing the bigger picture.


You are essentially suggesting that Amazon & co are worthless shit companies because they are just another shitty money grabbing website during the dot com bubble. The internet would be better off without more websites.

Heck, it's not even just that either. You are also simultaneously suggesting that stocks are useless because the USD would be much better off without them.

If you fail to see the potential value of tokens then you clearly don't know much about traditional markets. Or you got burnt so hard that you're demonizing the entire space now. Or you've literally only seen Beeeeconnneeeeeeeeeeeect etc. Not sure what causes your extremist views but they are not inline with reality.


And your last assertion is strictly false as well. Every single casino is modeled in a way that increases the probability of depleting your money the more games you play. Even with the outright scammy shitcoins you can however outplay the market if you are willing to invest the time and have the skill, something that you won't be able to in a casino by design.


i dont understand why folks cheer those shitcoins. shitcoins are fundamentally different to bitcoin. it is not like comparing different stocks of competing companies. bitcoin is a tech breakthrough. no alt is a tech breakthrough. bitcoin is used by millions of people for almost a decade now. shitcoins are not used for anything. what alt are you actually using (other than gambling)? i am not being extremist here, just very conservative.

bitcoin solves the byzantine generals problem. what problem in computer science is any alt solving? bitcoin has no owner, leader  -  it is decentralised. shitcoins are not decentralized. shitcoins are created by individuals or companies that want to make profit. how to make profit when there is neither a use case nor users? well, the only way to profit is to scam people and try to sell you their u s e l e s s  token. and that is what they do: they run around and tell everyone about their new coin that you should buy.

and my last assertion is not false at all. when i go to a casino i at least know to what degree i get scammed. when buying shitcoins it is not false to assume that the scam level is way higher. in a casino i pay fees and i get entertained and maybe lose or win. when buying useless altcoins the scam level is 100% just to begin with.

bitcoin is a protocol. a standard. there is no need for several thousand protocols. how many "internets" do we have?
160  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 14, 2019, 05:27:07 PM

....you got it the wrong way around. bitcoin would be in much better shape by all metrics if there were no shitcoins. they provide no utility, they are scamming people, they keep good devs busy because every week there is a new shitcoin that needs to be implemented, they get marketed as "the better, faster, newer" bitcoin...

Did you by any chance go to guy's school ?




trying to figure out what your question means.

comparing shitcoins to computers is imho not useful. bitcoin is a technological breakthrough in computer science. altcoins are just scams. no use case. no users. scam after scam after scam, that is all those shitcoins ever did. bitcoin is a protocol like the internet is a protocol. there is no need whatsoever to maintain 2500 different (unsecure, scammy, useless, etc, etc.) internets.
there is NO innovation in shitcoins.

i went to a regular school.

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