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on: November 14, 2020, 10:35:24 AM
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I've always thought, that if I retired, I'd probably need to maintain at least double my salary coming in just to pay for all the things I'd need to do to stop me getting bored out of my mind. That being the case, I'm not going to retire anytime soon, even if MoonTM.
my retirement goal required three times what i figured was the "normal" amount i needed. took longer but i do like huge safety margins. and boredom? i have never been bored in my entire life. i have far too many interests and hobbies. i love learning and trying new things (and have the scars and broken bones to attest to that). ive never understand how someone can get bored. Yes I am sorry to report that I met with my financial advisor today and I would have to take out of Bitcoin 3 times my current target in order to retire in 2021. Looks like I’m gonna be here until 2025 guys ! Are you referring to something in the ballpark of the current BTC price $15,500 to $16,400 -ish or some other BTC reference price.. like a potential correction or a BTC price rise? So for example, if you were referring to current BTC prices, then wouldn't a 3x price increase assist you in accelerating your goals.... that would be in the $45k to $50k price arena? No sadly that’s based off my projected trading profits in 2021. They will be short what I need by a factor of 3. It turns out that retiring is much more expensive than anyone would have imagined. you want to retire solely on trading profits? when I try to decide if I could retire I just naively count my net worth and figure out if this could last for some decades. and the family. and the kids. and the kids of relatives. which feels I would never get there. and also: since selling 100% of stash is out of the question, (never more than 50% is the plan), the whole game needs to be played with half the sum to begin with. then again, making a plan that requires to lose 50% of the best money ever created, is kind of stupid. it would be much better to retire on a plan like getting dividends from stocks or interest (like it used to be) from saved capital. I hope some secure and reliable financial infrastructure will develop soon enough around bitcoin, that is letting bitcoiners keep their coins, earning interest in lending them out. or, even better, use part of btc stash as collateral to get a loan, and pay back the loan with bitcoin price rising over the long run. I heard that is what rich people do/did with big/valuable real estate: they never sell it, all they do is using it as collateral for cheap loans, and then use the price appreciation of the real estate to pay back the loan. the family stays rich forever.
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on: November 14, 2020, 06:27:18 AM
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It's been a week since I visited for the last time WO, every week it's costing me $ 1,000 more, now the badger at 16K -Many, many post... -Bob's wish came true, congrats. Within my disaster I also have good news, if there are no more setbacks, on December 31 I finish with the work of the good samaritan, I stopped earning like Hodler and it will cost me much more money to recover what I sold. This happens to me for an idiot. what happened? you sold?
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on: November 14, 2020, 06:17:47 AM
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[img]https://i.imgur.com/uPW8zrWmg]
il nuovo duce
muahaha haha.... those right wing nutters don't really take it well that twitter is a private company that can do on its platform what it thinks is good for twitter. they all rage about the fact that twitter does not want to be a fake news, covid denying, fascist, right wing platform. and you know where they rage the most? on twitter.... why don't they just go to parler? I dearly hope Dorsey will kick all those hyperventilating, hateful fuckers out of twitter. on the other hand, it is so entertaining. saw a tweet yesterday of a lady that said covid was purposefully created to hinder trumps re-election. it got 7000 (or was it 70k?) likes
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on: November 14, 2020, 06:01:50 AM
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How is it that so many of these Bitcoin OGs fall into the shitcoin trap? That Bimmerhead dude should be a Bitcoin gazillionaire by now (and a maximalist). the farther back in time, the less clear everything was around bitcoin. I, for example thought at the beginning that additional protocols are important as a replacement chain should bitcoin go offline ( ) and that competition was good on protocol levels. i had no idea that this was the start of the great plague of shitcoinery. imho Vitalik will be remembered as the guy who coined the term "bitcoin maximalist" but no one will remember ETH. it is kind of ironic that is was vitalik who gave the bitcoin community its identity. before a bitcoiner was a bitcoiner. but a bitcoin maxi is a completely different beast. he tried to introduce this term as an insult. and in typical bitcoin grandeur, the supposed attack was morphed into something that made bitcoin stronger. hasta la victoria siempre!
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on: November 13, 2020, 09:16:22 PM
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I've always thought, that if I retired, I'd probably need to maintain at least double my salary coming in just to pay for all the things I'd need to do to stop me getting bored out of my mind. That being the case, I'm not going to retire anytime soon, even if MoonTM.
my retirement goal required three times what i figured was the "normal" amount i needed. took longer but i do like huge safety margins. and boredom? i have never been bored in my entire life. i have far too many interests and hobbies. i love learning and trying new things (and have the scars and broken bones to attest to that). ive never understand how someone can get bored. Yes I am sorry to report that I met with my financial advisor today and I would have to take out of Bitcoin 3 times my current target in order to retire in 2021. Looks like I’m gonna be here until 2025 guys ! all the guys that can't sell at bull runs (like me) will be right here with you. hodling and getting ready for the next one.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: MATHEMATICALLY Impossible for BITCOIN to "Come Back" - Why tell ppl lies?
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on: November 13, 2020, 04:27:45 AM
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Price wise, Bitcoin was in a very scary place when this OP was written, so I'm not surprised at the sentiment.
All dependent on when you arrived. If you've been through one cycle before then you're fully immunised to proper panic, or at least I felt exactly zilch from 2017 onwards other than boredom. If newcomers could upload the experience of complete boom and bust into their sweaty minds they would come out the next real one in a vastly better position. Either way post 2017 it was shit but the idea of it dwindling to nothing had become outlandish. Far less so in 2014/15. I wish I had your boredom. in it since 2013 and literally every bear cycle almost broke me in different angles. looking forward for the next opportunity to fuck up
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on: November 12, 2020, 09:18:42 PM
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now that they are all gone I almost miss them. but I guess not even the hardest masochist can stand the constant flak in WO for long.
I do not miss them. By the time Stolfi is on his death bed I am certain at least 1-2 solid years of his life will have been spent screaming about Bitcoin. What a stunning waste. In 2014/15 it was still possible to believe it could go nowhere so these people could make the back of your mind twitch, if you're weak. If they insist the same thing after that they are pissing in the wind as we say. yes, reality leaves the moronic haters no choices. 2021 will be tough for them.
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on: November 12, 2020, 08:54:19 PM
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I love these throwback accounts posting stuff that went out of fashion in 2015. Back then this place was crawling with them. After 2017 they really weren't trying very hard. Now they're wonderfully quaint. Fodder for newcomers to enjoy.
fun fact: somehow a tweet from Jstolfi got into my feed. hilarious. he is literally still shitting on bitcoin calling it a ponzi - almost asked him if he had plans to return to btctalk. (I heard he had logged in here as of lately). now that they are all gone I almost miss them. but I guess not even the hardest masochist can stand the constant flak in WO for long.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: November 12, 2020, 08:06:22 PM
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Let’s pretend Biden doubles CGT. Which isn’t going to happen
You will still be better off selling next year.
Also, Biden isn’t going to do shit on taxes. He’s got bigger fights on his hands like fixing Covid.
exactly...it has to be 85% cap gains on 100K..20% cap gains on 16K (if your cost is close to zero) is 3.8K, 12.2k profit. If btc is 100K, tax has to be 88% to get the same profit. Zero chance for such tax and any tax higher than maybe 30% or so. 30% is possible...I paid 39.7% cap gains in 2000. That was a howler (forgot about short term vs long term when trading ) Not to put too fine a point on it but it’s not cap gains short term, it’s income. in US it is called short term cap gains, which, indeed, are taxed at the regular income rates. I know it is mean to rub it in but weirdly enough in Germany, after hodling for 12 months, the capital gains tax is zero. also: no vat when buying or selling btc. usually vat is at a sick 19% (right now due to covid they lowered it to 16%, still face-ripping) usual capital gains tax is 25%
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on: November 12, 2020, 05:15:00 PM
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I like tone and I met him more than once and he is a nice guy. but tones political views are really weird. I wonder why the guys who shout the loudest about how non-political bitcoin is are also sometimes the ones who have very far right wing political agendas and are not shy to try to evangelize about it. telling folks what they should eat. telling people what is "good" art. telling people how they should vote.
having a deep understanding of btc does not make someone having a deep understanding of anything else.
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on: November 12, 2020, 02:09:38 PM
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this relentless, violent, never stopping, idiotic dumping of the best money ever existed, e v e r y fkn time bitcoin moves up some tiny steps -- I will never get it. I know it is important. I know it serves the finding of the price. if one wants to sell, why not a limit order and let the price get there instead of pushing it down for everyone through market orders. we are obviously attacking ath soon. why dump now?
v8 said it before: they need to accumulate more. that is why they keep it down.
Or are they weak hands, I think the two will overlap at these levels Well, no hodler will sell under yesterday's price after we've had a new AYH today, that's for sure. The weakest hands are of course the high leverage traders. They are like scaridy cats - with each small dip they have to sell in order to cut their losses. Is this strategy going to work for them? Of course, no. Sometimes such plankton swims here and persuades us that this is the way of earning big money. In their view $100 high risk leverage trading gain is way better than say buying a cruise ship by just hodling several years. This leads to insanity of course. r0ach and proudcunt are exhibit A for that. They wake up each morning thinking they are kettles and go to bed dreaming of prices like $200. roach and our guy Proudhon are incomparable. a nazi vs a bear that has scientific proof (confirmed!) for bitcoin going to $200 is not the same. I really do believe gembitz and Proudhon are the biggest btc whales in here. if I had 5k btc I would contribute with the same magnitude of deepness to this forum as them. regarding chart: what are the bears trying to paint here? a double fake out?
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on: November 12, 2020, 10:46:02 AM
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this relentless, violent, never stopping, idiotic dumping of the best money ever existed, e v e r y fkn time bitcoin moves up some tiny steps -- I will never get it. I know it is important. I know it serves the finding of the price. if one wants to sell, why not a limit order and let the price get there instead of pushing it down for everyone through market orders. we are obviously attacking ath soon. why dump now?
v8 said it before: they need to accumulate more. that is why they keep it down.
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on: November 11, 2020, 07:10:46 PM
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remember when 16k was a big deal? now its just "meh"
Remember when we couldn't stay above 9k, over and over again? i remember when $100 was a big deal it was easter of 2013. strolling down a beach at the Baltic Sea. snow on the beaches. checking the price as it went over $100. bitcoiners know where they were... Dec 2nd 2013 (at home, felt like a god of financial decisions) Jan 15th 2015 (at home, felt like shit) Jan 5th 2017 (picking up kids from gym) Dec 15th 2017 (at home, god again) there were numerous additional boom or busts, of which I know exactly where I have been. it actually helps me to remember things of the past in the right order. edited
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