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1  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [ANN] Spesmonerujo: Boron Butterfly on: September 21, 2019, 08:47:12 PM
here are the transaction ID's of my funding transactions:

88
100 milli = a81a75841517f9c2f38138831ba4751551aa13ced2fbe9ef1459ccea962a497f
200 milli = 21d36ecd70e7904214d0c80726cbeead84600ecfb9bc9e98efad4c5a659e2778

89
100 milli = 500ee4ebc66f14be2fc59820dc73a23ea980e992ccc65a25df359b2e1dac51d7
200 milli = 9134842d1682b4b4bd9fa6e0a1e8fb60a4f8cfe425aa6111db5d9ce022441747
2  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [ANN] Spesmonerujo: Boron Butterfly on: September 06, 2019, 01:08:13 AM
AWESOME !!!


Would like to get sets #88 and #89 plz Smiley
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 04, 2018, 01:31:44 AM
Given that rational investors are well aware that when maximalists chant, "Decentralized! Censorship resistant!" in their quest to distance themselves from shitcoins, they also point out that if those are the value proposition for a cryptocurrency, then Monero is more valuable.

Exactly.

#moneromaximalism
4  Economy / Currency exchange / Selling 5 BCH (BCC) for 100 XMR on: August 02, 2017, 02:47:17 PM
Hi

I want to sell 5 BCH (BCC) for 100 XMR
I have a high trust rating. You send me the 100 XMR first, then I'll send you the BCH. Willing to use an escrow if you pay for the fees and I approve the escrow agent.

Send me a PM Smiley
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: June 16, 2017, 09:53:06 AM
...
Beeing fungible money or cash is a strong application and a great feature already, look at the BTC price.

Fungibility is a critical requirement for money; however Bitcoin's problem is far more basic. Before one can concern oneself whether a transaction can be traced destroying fungibility one has to be able to make the transaction in the first place. Monero has a solution for this far more basic problem also.

higher fees means probably less people mixing on the bitcoin blockchain, and thus making fungibility even worse. So fungibility and block size are at least linked Smiley
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: April 19, 2017, 12:55:46 PM
Selling my house: https://cryptokingdom.me/land/lot/details/40

Will be selling to highest bidder at 22:00 GMT on april 20 if the minimum bid satisfies me. Currently it does

I have an ask at 50 million M, so people who really want it can buy it now.

[of course if a bidding war is going on I may extent the deadline a few hours or even a day]


edit sold through a deal on IRC
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: April 07, 2017, 06:19:48 PM
C: a- b- c- d- e- f-
D: a+ b+ c+ d+ e+ f+
E: a- b- c- d- e+ f+
Z: a+ b+ c+ d+ e- f-
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: March 28, 2017, 11:31:54 AM
Suddenly Zechariah realises that threadposting indeed is important, and decides to incentivise everyone who post to the thread after this post, with CK, as follows:

Dnaleor The Third, Son of Lord Dnaleor II, is present Smiley

(dnaleor3 / charid 335 ingame)
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: OTC BUY/SELL DATABITS (AUGMENTORS) on: March 11, 2017, 01:09:59 AM
Willing to provide escrow/ I have experience with running the AEON OTC thread
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: March 01, 2017, 11:30:40 PM
Hi!

I'm a new DASH user Smiley
I saw the presentation by amanda at anarchapulco and it really was looking nice!
Instant transactions, private transactions, a return on your savings. Also the vault seems a cool system to protect my money.

I have some questions:

1) Will it be safe to use my account on a lot of devices as long as my money is in the vault ?

2) I bought 380 DASH. It's a lot of money for me, but I don't want to miss this opportunity !!
I bought at 34 USD, so I already have a nice profit Smiley
It's still on poloniex, but can someone tell me how to get the savings account?


I hope I'm not too late to the party and dash will continue to go up  Grin Grin
Thanks amanda for opening my eyes to this wonderful opportunity !!

^this is a future victim of Scamanda BJ

Get out ASAP
Seriously, this is one big ponzi and it WILL collapse. I can't see it holding at these prices


11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 26, 2017, 01:17:04 AM

Your bank account isn't viewable by everyone in the world, isn't it?

It is if you're the bank who's endorsing its value.

Since "everyone in the world" is who endorses Bitcoin's value - that's who gets to view it.

Encrypt that at your peril Wink

(P.S. Contrary to the faulty propaganda you like to put about, anecdotal knowledge of transaction participants # contractually defined money. You need encryption to protect the latter because it's nominated. You need mixing to protect the former because it's un-nominated but not backed & therefore must remain transparent. If you get that principle the wrong way round then you end up with Monero which is why you're having to cite 3rd-party backed trusted monetary media in your defence).


you can't forge the existence of coins in your account. You can only prove that they are there. I don't see any issue with that approach.

I ask you again: why should I prefer a glass vault in stead of a vault I have the keys for and chose to open when I want to disclose what's in it or when I want to transact?
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 26, 2017, 01:14:36 AM
xmr propaganda.

I/we don't give a shit on how work your unscalable shitcoin!




wrong.

at least it's being used on alphabay. Real use, because people prefer it over BTC for the privacy/fungibility it delivers

Where is DASH being used?
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 26, 2017, 12:12:35 AM
Quote

Thanks guys, that's better than i thought it was.

"It doesn't prove you sent the amount, but it does prove that amount was sent (and received). – Luigi Oct 3 at 18:46"

So i guess it doesn't show the address it came from just that the amount was sent from someone to the address? The easy solution would be to generate a new address for each transaction.

Not as easy as having a public blockchain anyone could quickly verify but a good solution nonetheless.

I'll ask my other questions when i have more time. Thanks again.


You're welcome and that's correct.
Context:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg16728080#msg16728080

luigi forgot that it's easy for the sender to prove the address by signing a messase using the private spend key that matches with the public spend key associated with the address. It's really the same as during arbitration people sign messages with their private key to prove the validity of certain screenshots or emails


If the sender doesn't, one can assume he didn't send the coins.

That doesn't exactly help you very much.

The idea of a transparent blockchain is to deter such conflicts in the first place since any party making a claim to have altered the blockchain state will have that claim arbitrated on by the entire userbase, not just by me.

Therefore, Poloniex can make any claim they like as to what state change they've made and that claim is instantly testable, not just by keyholders but by non keyholders also. Furthermore, that applies not only to the positive case but the negative (absence of state change) case as well - no 'assumptions' needed.

Encrypted blockchains are designed to keep everyone else out of the loop except the sender and receiver. Thats what makes them ok as an encrypted messaging system but valueless as a monetary asset in their own right (an unbacked one at least) since bearer tokens don't distinguish ownership from possession. The encryption is therefore redundant and only serves to obscure (and potentially corrupt) their authenticity as you've already illustrated by demonstrating that the co-operation of 3rd parties (keyholders) is required to fully verify that a claimed state change did in fact occur.

Yes, the encryption ensures the privacy. Your bank account isn't viewable by everyone in the world, isn't it?
You don't know how much gold is in my vault either. When I open my vault, I can publicly disclose how much I own. But I rather not have a vault made out of glass. The whole world doesn't need to know how much gold I own for the gold to be 'real money'.

your whole explanation about transparent outputs is just a convoluted way to justify the fact that DASH isn't private by default


You can force your counterparty to disclose his prove that he has sent the money.

Nice. A Cryptocurrency who's blockchain state can only be verified through recourse to third parties.

Good luck with that Wink

So easy to ask counterparty when you are buying drugs with an anonymous dealer on DN Smiley

Anyway the interesting in the image is : "NOBODY IS USING IT! (ndlr: xmr).

/OffTopic



My point is that if there is a dispute between someone buying drugs with BTC/DASH or XMR, the result will be the same: either the sender/receiver  cooperates and discloses the transaction or he doesn't. You need to trust the arbitrator/platform in both cases.

The big difference however is that, even when you need to disclose certain things about your transaction, the history of your wallet will still be protected*.

* at least when the sender proves he has sent the coins.
If a receiver discloses his viewkey, that can be an issue. Hence, it'll be solved soon with disposable addresses.



14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 25, 2017, 11:25:25 PM
dnaleor stay on topic please, this is the dash forum, not the monero forum

If things are said that aren't true, I can correct those statements. Even if that's of topic.
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 25, 2017, 11:24:03 PM

You can force your counterparty to disclose his prove that he has sent the money.

Nice. A Cryptocurrency who's blockchain state can only be verified through recourse to third parties.

Good luck with that Wink

If the sender doesn't, one can assume he didn't send the coins.

answer my question, tok...
What will you do if poloniex says they processed your DASH withdrawal but it doesn't show up in your wallet?
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 25, 2017, 11:15:12 PM
Simply beautiful:



(thanks to Raptor73!)


This clearly shows the lack of understanding how Monero works. I'll assume it's just an IQ problem, if not you're just FUDding.

Monero transactions can be proved by both the sender and the receiver.

When the receiver claims that he did not receive the money, 2 things can happen.
1) either the receiver discloses his viewkey. This will result in everybody being able to check if the money did arrive or not.
2) the receiver doesn't want to disclose his viewkey for privacy reasons, and asks for the sender to disclose the transaction private key. This key can prove an outgoing payment from a certain address on a transaction per transaction basis. The sender won't lose privacy when he does this, except for this one transaction.

So the quoted statement is BS.

Yeah that's totally gonna scale, not. Problem is you can't really prove anything for sure. For example, that would be a nightmare for people or businesses that want to use a single address, like a laminated QR code etc. The only solution is to generate a new monero address for every transaction. That would work and fix the trust issue but the whole scheme does not scale.
 
That is why tok keeps preaching about the value of transparent blockchain tech like btc and Dash, it scales.


For proving a transaction as a sender, it can be done on a per transaction basis. You only need your tx private key, the transaction id and the address you've sent the coins to.

For the receiver, you indeed need your viewkey which shows all your incoming transactions, but work is being done to create disposable addresses. This will enable users to have a unique address for every service/person/website/... they interact with.

edit: and as I said, you usually will force the sender to prove he has sent the transaction. So I don't see any privacy problem.

edit:
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Yeah that's totally gonna scale, not. Problem is you can't really prove anything for sure.
I don't see your problem with "scaling". The sender can always prove he sent the transaction.
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 25, 2017, 10:48:19 PM

And it's not Monero's fault that those AB users don't know how to use it....that guys an idiot or a lier either way he's not worth my time.

Are you serious ?

This has nothing to do with 'faulty users'. By any satisfactory auditory definition, a transaction is successful when one address balance has been depleted and another credited. (I realise there are other ‘geeky’ definitions that involve transaction IDs but thats not what matters to users and it's not what would matter to any self respecting professional auditor who had to endorse the value of an address balance as a whole rather than a collection of 'discretely verified TX ID's').

In the abscence of a trusted 3rd party arbitor, you therefore need to see the movements at both address balances. The sending and receiving.

Furthermore, the parties that need to see it are:

1. The sending participating party (to verify they’re liability is cancelled)
2. The receiving participating party (for obvious reasons)
3. Non-participating keyholders (because they are exposed to the value of the blockchain based asset and have an interest in the public confidence of the blockchain integrity)
4. Non-participating, non-keyholders (because they are expected to supply goods, services and other currencies in support of your blockchain asset's exchange rate).

You would not want to eat a piece of fruit out of a bowl of rotten apples, even if one of them looked ok. In Bitcoin (and Dash for that matter), everyone sees the whole fruitbowl and everyone has access to the same information without condition or recourse to a third party.

The reason Bitcoin’s blockchain is anonymous but transparent is because there IS no 3rd party arbitor to resolve disputes. Blockchain transparency therefore makes the asset resistant to confidence attacks through rumour, dispute, aspersion and theft. It also gives transacting parties huge protection by supporting the interests of veracity in anecdotal accounts of failed transfers, whether they be due to mis-addressed funds, lack of confirmations, deception, hacks or otherwise.

The problem with the Cryptonote approach (who’s original conception was intended to support trusted party backed ‘credit money’ anyway b.t.w.) is that the participating parties are *on their own* mate. Nobody can see a thing and they’re each dependent on the other’s co-operation for verifying the transaction. If Poloniex say my deposit ‘went through’ and no funds turn up and don’t supply me a TXID or viewkey I’m stuffed. Nor do I have recourse to “the rest of the world”. Take a look at the last 6 years of Bitcoin forums. They’re littered with discussions about addresses, transactions where something went, where it didn’t go.

Thats what gives a blockchain confidence and confidence is what supports its value. If all you have is one end of the transaction or a poxy TXID that you have to beg for, then you’ve a recipe for catastrophe. A while back I said that encryption was the "cancer of cryptocurrency". I didn’t mean that from the point of view of technical failure, I meant it from the perspective that ANY kind of obfuscation in an unbacked asset is corrosive to confidence and it’s only a matter of time before all it’s good for is a temporary payment rail thats valueless.

The reason these coins have no future isn’t because they don’t have good tech. It’s because ‘encrypting stuff’ is dirt cheap these days and doesn’t add any value. (Sticking a gold bar or a diamond in a safe might cost you a small premium, but the price of the safe, not the price of the gold).

On the contrary, when it comes to cryptocurrency, “encrypting stuff” positively detracts form its potential value because we’re talking about a bearer token which draws its worth from authenticity, not obscurity.

How much evidence of that do you need ? If not the above posts (which will be the tip of the Iceberg if people start using it in earnest), try this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg17896089#msg17896089

BS upon BS

you still need an escrow/arbitor to solve BTC disputes. In XMR, this is the same. The only difference is that an arbitor needs to give the sender a deadline by which he needs to disclose his private transaction key. If he doesn't, than it'll be assumed that he did not send the money. Simple as that.

This is a much better approach than just having all balances of addresses public by default (both the case in BTC and DASH)

edit:
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If Poloniex say my deposit ‘went through’ and no funds turn up and don’t supply me a TXID or viewkey I’m stuffed. Nor do I have recourse to “the rest of the world”. Take a look at the last 6 years of Bitcoin forums. They’re littered with discussions about addresses, transactions where something went, where it didn’t go.

Ask yourself, tok, what will you do if Poloniex says your DASH withdrawal went through but you didn't receive it?

The key thing you don't seem to understand is that selective transparency is still possible with monero. You can force your counterparty to disclose his prove that he has sent the money. Selective transparency > default transparency
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 25, 2017, 10:41:10 PM
Simply beautiful:



(thanks to Raptor73!)



toknormal style Grin

This clearly shows the lack of understanding how Monero works. I'll assume it's just an IQ problem, if not you're just FUDding.

Monero transactions can be proved by both the sender and the receiver.

When the receiver claims that he did not receive the money, 2 things can happen.
1) either the receiver discloses his viewkey. This will result in everybody being able to check if the money did arrive or not.
2) the receiver doesn't want to disclose his viewkey for privacy reasons, and asks for the sender to disclose the transaction private key. This key can prove an outgoing payment from a certain address on a transaction per transaction basis. The sender won't lose privacy when he does this, except for this one transaction.

So the quoted statement is BS.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 17, 2017, 11:41:24 AM


ok so a maximum of 4411 people own > 60% of the supply. Should we applaud that fact? Or does it show that there is something seriously wrong?
is 5000 masternodes better? Is 6000 masternodes awesome? Is 7000 masternodes the best thing that ever can happen to dash?

The masternode count is nothing more than a number to check how well the HYIP built on top of DASH is doing.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 17, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
The only way to get rid of DASH is by petitioning all cryptocurrency related businesses to drop support for DASH

https://www.change.org/p/the-bitcoin-community-dash-is-a-scam-we-demand-all-cryptocurrency-businesses-to-remove-support-for-dash


Hey buddy, what if the dash masternode network voted on whether or not to host a Sybil attack on monero? We could command the network to host 4300 monero nodes and then go from there. How does that sound?




lol. This really shows the level of intelligence of the dash crowd.
Sybil attacking a PoW coin is impossible. The PoW chain is always verifiable, even if almost all of the nodes are sybil nodes.

Ironically, sybil attacking the masternode network is something that's relatively easy (hence the talk about lazy masternodes)
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