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421  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2022, 06:12:35 PM
Ok so we got the odds, now on to figuring out the prize. Upside is easy, Putin is toppled Russia is a shithole. But downside is...nuclear war? The best our diplomacy can come up with is lets use a nuclear financial option on a 69yr Putin, and hope really hard he doesn't take it as a declaration of war as he said he would?

I wasn't talking about the nuke odds, only about the odds of uniting for or against Putin if the situation in Russia gets really dire.

As we've seen recently and not just recently, things Putin says have little to do with reality. He may launch or not launch the nukes for any reason or no reason at all. Trying to appease him, or to guess what he'll do next - doesn't work.

And using a last resort nuclear financial option has a lot to do with reality? Logic being taking someones money and bringing financial collapse is not a declaration of war? Kinda weak if that's the best we're playing with
422  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2022, 05:45:00 PM
Right, nice, so going all in on a hope that their total financial collapse would divide Russians instead of uniting them. Where do you put the odds at?

Quite the contrary, uniting against Putin and his cronies is a better outcome for everyone involved. The odds of that are probably higher than the other way round, because the lies from Kremlin are already outrageous and will have to get even more blatant if they try to keep the lid on it.

Of course Soviets were able to sustain the lying for 70 years but they didn't have the intertubes.

Ok so we got the odds, now on to figuring out the prize. Upside is easy, Putin is toppled Russia is a shithole. But downside is...nuclear war? The best our diplomacy can come up with is lets use a nuclear financial option on a 69yr Putin, and hope really hard he doesn't take it as a declaration of war as he said he would?
423  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2022, 05:00:03 PM
To secure their livelihoods we have no choice but to declare war including the use of nuclear weapons on those cities.

I think you mean to commit a suicide... nuking the West won't un-collapse the ruble, it will just turn Russia and most of the world into a radioactive dump.

Russians are reasonably smart, they will eventually figure out that the best way to fix this is to get rid of the Kremlin clown, it's just taking them a minute.

Right, nice, so going all in on a hope that their total financial collapse would divide Russians instead of uniting them. Where do you put the odds at?
424  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2022, 04:28:01 PM
This will be a problem for the hotels, not for the guests.

I'm sure the guests will be overly happy to have their (early booking) advance payments lost because they cannot pay (in euro) the rest for their accommodation for the holidays.

Pretty sure taking all off Russias reserve's would collapse the ruble. Hotels would be the last of the worries. Now imagine this, Putin comes out addressing his nation of 150mil people saying that US and EU countries that Russian hasn't even touched and are not part of this conflict just used a nuclear financial option on them, they stole everyone's pensions, college savings funds, and all of their savings (which technically would be true, not getting into justifications). Central banks located in the following cities...are holding all of their futures and their children's futures hostage. To secure their livelihoods we have no choice but to declare war including the use of nuclear weapons on those cities. Those cities have 7days to give back what is rightfully ours and was never theirs. Doomsday clock moves to one min to midnight, EU starts a meeting on whether they can hold the funds at the direct risk of a nuclear war at T- 7days. With every passing day price of ammo, guns, gold, bitcoin skyrockets, and all of the currencies collapse. Welcome to Madmax 2022

Madman playing chicken with everyone's lives, seeing who blinks first. Thats where millions years of evolution got us.
425  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2022, 07:09:37 AM
West to cut some Russian banks off from Swift.

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The EU, US and their allies have agreed to cut off a number of Russian banks from the main international payment system, Swift.

The assets of Russia's central bank will also be frozen, limiting Russia's ability to access its overseas reserves.

The intention is to "further isolate Russia from the international financial system", a joint statement said.

Russia is heavily reliant on the Swift system for its key oil and gas exports.

The joint sanctions are the harshest measures imposed to date on Russia over its invasion of Ukraine.


Looks like the stakes are being raised once again with a nuclear financial option. Putin might find out what NYKNYC means. I do recall Putin saying that doing this would be considered a declaration of war. Guy with the following tech from the 1960s being cornered with total collapse, smart move? lets all go all in and see who blinks first, what could possibly go wrong  Huh

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Tsar Bomba
  • The flare was visible at a distance of more than 1,000 km.[52] It was observed in Norway, Greenland and Alaska.
  • The explosion's nuclear mushroom rose to a height of 67 km.[14] The shape of the "hat" was two-tiered; the diameter of the upper tier was estimated at 95 km (59 mi), the lower tier at 70 km (43 mi). The cloud was observed 800 km (500 mi) from the explosion site.
  • The blast wave circled the globe three times,[16] with the first one taking 36 hours and 27 minutes.
  • A seismic wave in the earth's crust, generated by the shock wave of the explosion, circled the globe three times.
  • The atmospheric pressure wave resulting from the explosion was recorded three times in New Zealand
  • Glass shattered in windows 780 km (480 mi) from the explosion in a village on Dikson Island.
  • Ionization of the atmosphere caused interference to radio communications even hundreds of kilometers from the test site for about 40 minutes.


 
Meanwhile China finds out that their $3,2trillion in foreign reserves is an IOU that no one has to pay if they don't want to
Ball might also be in their court, either they accept the precedent that "their" foreign reserves are not really theirs (and forget about Taiwan) or they re-raise and ask for their money... Man humans are really fucking stupid
426  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: February 27, 2022, 05:28:48 AM
As some others have said already, banning Russia from SWIFT isn't very useful, and may in fact be counterproductive long-term. Banning them from SWIFT is like this: Imagine that most of Russia's exports were sent to the outside world via UPS, and you ban Russia from using UPS. It's very disruptive short-term (for both sides of the trade), but they're just going to switch to Fedex or whatever. Banning Russia from SWIFT is like that: it's short-term very disruptive, but it's not that hard for Russia to find an alternative, and long-term the ban weakens SWIFT. Banning Russia from SWIFT sounds like you're banning sending money to Russia by any means, but it's not. The West could ban sending money to Russia by any means, but Europe is highly dependent on Russian imports, so they're just going to pretend to "completely cut off Russia" by banning them from SWIFT.

The most damaging thing the West could do without putting boots on the ground would probably be to confiscate Russia's central bank reserves like the US did with Afghanistan's central bank.

If you wanted to get rid of Putin ASAP, I think the most effective thing that could be done would be to put a $1 billion bounty on Putin's head, plus a promise of immunity for any past misdeeds. You have to imagine that many of Putin's close associates would rather this nutcase be dead. The West was more-or-less fine with Russia's internal authoritarianism, and Russia's oligarchs had a good thing going, but now Putin has screwed it all up for them. All of these sanctions are clearly designed to eventually make Russians angry enough to get Putin toppled, but a bounty+immunity would be a lot more effective. (I think that issuing this sort of bounty would be considered an act of war, though.)



I was surprised that Kyiv didn't fall last night, and I keep hoping that the Russians are somehow fought off, but it's almost unimaginable that Kyiv isn't going to fall eventually. The force differential is just too large. If Zelenskyy is dedicated to the idea of Ukraine fighting a protracted resistance in the same vein as Afghanistan or Vietnam, he should record a really good speech to broadcast after he is inevitably killed by the Russians, so that he can become an ideal martyr.


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Tsar Bomba
the most powerful nuclear weapon ever created and tested
...their instruments indicated a yield of 50 Mt (209 PJ)
...In theory, the bomb would have had a yield in excess of 100 Mt (418 PJ) if it had included the uranium-238[14] fusion tamper which figured in the design but which was omitted in the test to reduce radioactive fallout
...8-kilometre-wide (5.0 mi) fireball reached nearly as high as the altitude of the release plane and was visible at almost 1,000 km (620 mi) away.[49] The mushroom cloud was about 67 km (42 mi) high[50] (over seven times the height of Mount Everest)
  • The flare was visible at a distance of more than 1,000 km.[52] It was observed in Norway, Greenland and Alaska.
  • The explosion's nuclear mushroom rose to a height of 67 km.[14] The shape of the "hat" was two-tiered; the diameter of the upper tier was estimated at 95 km (59 mi), the lower tier at 70 km (43 mi). The cloud was observed 800 km (500 mi) from the explosion site.
  • The blast wave circled the globe three times,[16] with the first one taking 36 hours and 27 minutes.
  • A seismic wave in the earth's crust, generated by the shock wave of the explosion, circled the globe three times.
  • The atmospheric pressure wave resulting from the explosion was recorded three times in New Zealand
  • Glass shattered in windows 780 km (480 mi) from the explosion in a village on Dikson Island.
  • Ionization of the atmosphere caused interference to radio communications even hundreds of kilometers from the test site for about 40 minutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba
And this was 1960 technology.

Lets all read up on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction and then think how much we want to move the doomsday clock forward before we start putting bounties on heads. This blue marble is already just 100min away from midnight
427  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2022, 04:35:07 AM
From the latest that i could find, Ukraine reports 160 missile strikes, and 137 casualties. Either Russia is pounding sand, cant hit their targets, or there are a ton of unmanned targets in Ukraine?

Of course they weren't hanging around waiting to be killed. Most missile strikes targeted air force and air defenses, with only a couple hitting civilian targets.

But those who died did so in style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z94QWGO3ILo


Yeah if the recording is true its truly epic. RIP brave souls. Whats even more chilling, it appears that the Ukrainian forces are speaking Russian between each other.   

Well, fog

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Ukraine island defenders who told Russian navy ‘go fuck yourself’ may still be alive
Ukrainian soldiers believed to have died while defending an island after telling a Russian warship to “go fuck yourself”, may still be alive, according to Ukraine’s State Border Guard.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-island-defenders-who-told-russian-officer-go-fuck-yourself-may-still-be-alive
428  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2022, 03:04:36 AM
Seeing scattered early reports that they are going forward with locking Russian banks out of Swift.

Steady as she goes.

goes where? to a bigger war?
We should have pushed hard for negotiations, instead, even now, before the severity of this goes to something incomprehensible with very large casualties.
Additionally, if you have a large fine, levy or reparations applied to Russia, how are you going to get paid?
This will only make them completely belligerent and not prone to any negotiations.

Before, they said that it (SWIFT disconnect) would be considered as a declaration of war.
Not sure what to make of such statement made in the past, we shall see now how it develops.
Shortly after SWIFT removal, i would be watching for the signs of general mobilization there, and if it happens, then SWHTF.



Yeah that's the hard part in negotiations. On one side try to corner Putin and not give him an inch (Ukraine in NATO, force him to sell gas to EU through Ukraine no Nordsream2) but if you over do it, hell just take over Ukraine, then it definitely wont be in NATO and he wont care about NordStream2, hell gladly sell gas to EU through Ukraine. It appears negotiations have over did it, and unless sanctions will be enough to topple Putin, think negotiations can be considered as a a loss.

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Ukraine ready for talks with Russia on neutral status - official...including on neutral status regarding NATO...
https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-ready-talks-russia-neutral-100400582.html

Edit: cleared things up

Edi2:

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Moscow’s security demands include a pause of NATO’s eastward expansion, especially in Ukraine and Georgia, as well as a rollback of NATO troops in Eastern Europe.
The United States has dismissed those demands as nonstarters, demanding Russia pull back its forces from the border with Ukraine and instead offering dialogue with Moscow on issues including military exercises and transparency, as well as the placement of missiles.
...
“As I’ve said repeatedly, whether they choose the path of diplomacy and dialogue, whether they decide to renew aggression against Ukraine, we’re prepared either way,” Blinken told reporters.
January 27, 2022 https://www.voanews.com/a/us-responds-to-russia-s-security-demands-renewing-call-for-diplomacy-/6413910.html
429  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2022, 10:20:13 PM
Sanctions always hurt both sides. Need to be careful not to shoot yourself in the foot. "targeted" SWIFT restrictions sounds like BS talk to appease the masses

Quote from: Germany in the EU
“At the same time, we are working flat out on how to limit the collateral damage of a disconnection from #SWIFT so that it hits the right people. What we need is a targeted and functional restriction of SWIFT."
https://twitter.com/germanyintheeu/status/1497629293937049606?s=20&t=Y6In-oQI9lj9gA1sz5xrKg


Yeah, likely BS. SWIFT disconnection is the financial equivalent of nukes. China will help Rus, of course, although they will do so half-heartedly, and only so they can test their new digital renminbi thingy and/or gauge how much such disconnection impacts the disconnected. They could be next, if the shit hits Taiwan's fan.

Freezing Putin's or Lavrov's assets abroad? That's a joke. Might as well try to freeze his noncustodial btc wallet (which I'm sure is quite fat, incidentally).

If they really cut off Russia from SWIFT, it will be the largest testbed for btc to date. And yes, there will be the "bad btc, helps criminals" angle. But the people will see and understand. In Russia, in Canada, everywhere.

Interesting times indeed.

Quote from: Brussels Correspondent @BBCNews
NEW: Agreement reached on cutting #Russia out of #SWIFT
 'Selected Russian banks' will be removed from the system - say EU, France, Germany, Italy, UK, Canada and United States
https://twitter.com/MarkerJParker/status/1497696759945957376

Quote from: Bno News
MORE: Russian banks which have previously been sanctioned will be disconnected from SWIFT; other Russian banks not affected
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1497696270579863559
Nothing burger
430  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2022, 08:31:51 PM
Sanctions always hurt both sides. Need to be careful not to shoot yourself in the foot. "targeted" SWIFT restrictions sounds like BS talk to appease the masses

Quote from: Germany in the EU
“At the same time, we are working flat out on how to limit the collateral damage of a disconnection from #SWIFT so that it hits the right people. What we need is a targeted and functional restriction of SWIFT."
https://twitter.com/germanyintheeu/status/1497629293937049606?s=20&t=Y6In-oQI9lj9gA1sz5xrKg


Yeah, likely BS. SWIFT disconnection is the financial equivalent of nukes. China will help Rus,

China's support for Putin wavers as state banks limit finance for Russian oil and gas - in case THEY also get hit with sanctions for appearing to back Ukraine invasion.

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China has found itself walking a diplomatic tightrope after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine took many in Beijing by surprise.

It was reported today that several Chinese public banks are limiting financing to purchase raw materials from Russia for fear of Western sanctions should they be seen to be supporting the Kremlin.

About 30 percent of oil and gas produced in Russia now sold to China.

Putin is relying on his ties to China's Xi Jinping to bail him out of the increasingly tough sanctions being put on Moscow by Western nations as the invasion escalates.

Last night, China, India and the UAE abstained from voting on a UN Security Council resolution condemning Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine.

The vote was seen as another sign of the widening of the diplomatic split between the West and the East over Putin's aggression.

However, China's decision not to fully veto the motion - as Russia did - will come as a blow to the Russian dictator, who is growing increasingly isolated.

I wouldnt trust China any further than i could throw it
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China confirms it has lifted wheat import restrictions on Russia
..."You don’t go and give a lifeline to Russia in the middle of a period when they are invading another country," Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison said Friday in a rebuke of China's move. "That is simply unacceptable."
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/china-confirms-it-has-lifted-wheat-import-restrictions-on-russia
431  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2022, 08:23:07 PM
Nobody here 'really' knows what is the situation in Ukraine, probably.
I watched sky news, looked at the websites and all I can find, basically, is that "the fight continues".
Of course, it is all quite terrible.

Here is an interesting perspective of where this is probably going, but with HUGE caveats:

https://www.newsweek.com/2022/03/11/putin-has-never-lost-war-here-how-hell-win-ukraine-1682878.html

The longer it continues, the higher is the probability that it won't stop there.
Are we in 1938? A am not sure.

So Putin has been bitching about NATO and west expanding forever, west ignored it. Now Putin starts regional conflict in Ukraine. Biden asks for $6,4 billion for Ukraine, everyone speaks of how sanctions will affect everyone...well, almost everyone
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/biden-administration-asks-for-6-4-billion-for-ukraine-allies/3573106/
432  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: February 26, 2022, 07:44:20 PM
I cannot verify this source so take it with a grain of salt - https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/status/1497425201969123328

Read reports hat Russian troops were planning on capturing Kyiv within last 24 hours, but the source above states no captures of any Ukrainian cities were reported over the previous day. I cannot imagine any circumstances in which Putin is retreating so early, so this only tells me prolonged occupation of Russian troops in or around major Ukrainian cities if Putin decides not to capture to put troops on the ground in Kyiv. This is being celebrated as if the Ukrainians are winning. I would remind those that celebrate such a minor victory that these events can last years. If not Kyiv today, then tomorrow.

I don't think the real assault has started yet.

Putin just sent special forces, reconnaissance units, and ad-hoc gangs of insurgents with the aim to destabilize the current government.

The real bombing has not started yet.

It is important Ukrainians destroy all major roads, bridges, airports, etc. to make it harder to carry out a full invasion.
Putin hasn't showed his full potential yet, I highly doubt that he's even using 1/4 of his army capacity. His real motives are still unknown, if he truly wanted to capture Kyiv, wouldn't he be more aggressive? Is he performing a show, till the real attack occurs?

It's definitely not over yet, while Putin seems to not care about any financial repercussions, he's certain that the NATO and the EU won't interfere militarily.


Yeah Blitzkrieg doesn't seem to be the plan. Which is odd as time usually plays again the aggressor, dissent grows proportionally to the length of conflict . See reports of attacks around Odesa and Mariupol' perhaps the plan is to take away Ukraine access to the Black sea, make it a landlocked country, and hand it back to EU for support.
433  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2022, 06:58:23 PM
Russia is probably getting kicked out of SWIFT.

Not so sure about the swift thing, Germany is against it, they can't pay for their gas if they can't use swift.

Cyprus, Hungary, France, Italy and Greece agreed, all eye's are on Berlin now to negotiate to figure it out.

Even Germany made the shift, instead of sending only 5000 helmets they gave the green light to send anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons.

Lot's of countries showing solidarity sending equipment, Ukraine is getting armed to the teeth.


Sanctions always hurt both sides. Need to be careful not to shoot yourself in the foot. "targeted" SWIFT restrictions sounds like BS talk to appease the masses

Quote from: Germany in the EU
“At the same time, we are working flat out on how to limit the collateral damage of a disconnection from #SWIFT so that it hits the right people. What we need is a targeted and functional restriction of SWIFT."
https://twitter.com/germanyintheeu/status/1497629293937049606?s=20&t=Y6In-oQI9lj9gA1sz5xrKg
434  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2022, 06:03:18 PM
Surely EU cant expect the product if they have no way of paying for it. Or can Russian then demand payment be delivered say in gold bars

LOL, should be fun. Much of German gold is in Fort Knox which is to say not in Fort Knox. They asked for it back a few years ago and were told they would get it in installments and not with the original serial numbers. In fact, that might be a big opportunity for Putin to land a solid blow on the US and the petrodollar.


Yeah half of Russian assembled forces still haven't even entered Ukraine. Something larger might be afoot here.
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-26-22/h_0bb4d4e4b3cd77cbddbe1230246e6a09
435  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: February 26, 2022, 05:57:58 PM
I cannot verify this source so take it with a grain of salt - https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/status/1497425201969123328

Read reports hat Russian troops were planning on capturing Kyiv within last 24 hours, but the source above states no captures of any Ukrainian cities were reported over the previous day. I cannot imagine any circumstances in which Putin is retreating so early, so this only tells me prolonged occupation of Russian troops in or around major Ukrainian cities if Putin decides not to capture to put troops on the ground in Kyiv. This is being celebrated as if the Ukrainians are winning. I would remind those that celebrate such a minor victory that these events can last years. If not Kyiv today, then tomorrow.

I don't think the real assault has started yet.

Putin just sent special forces, reconnaissance units, and ad-hoc gangs of insurgents with the aim to destabilize the current government.

The real bombing has not started yet.

It is important Ukrainians destroy all major roads, bridges, airports, etc. to make it harder to carry out a full invasion.

To fan out some of the fog of war, some cities were already captured, and almost half of the assembled Russian forces are still idling outside of Ukraine. I don't believe underestimating Russian muscle is a benefit
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-26-22/h_0bb4d4e4b3cd77cbddbe1230246e6a09
436  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2022, 04:12:35 PM
Russia is probably getting kicked out of SWIFT.

Even disregarding the "probably" part, if that were to happen does that mean that EU will rip up all its current contracts and just stop buying gas/oil from Russia? Quick search shows that EU imports 40% of its natural gas from Russia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/58888451

Surely EU cant expect the product if they have no way of paying for it. Or can Russian then demand payment be delivered say in gold bars
437  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2022, 04:00:37 PM

Seems to be deleted and unlikely to be true given Turkey's position in the conflict.

Just like with Kremlin propaganda, posting clearly biased pro-Ukrainian tweets isn't the best source of news if that's what you're aiming for. It only takes a few minutes to cross check with other sources.

The fog is starting to get thick in these parts. Lets try to restrain ourselves and stay objective
438  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2022, 10:31:14 PM
I know some will not align with his politics, and others will (somewhat rightly) criticize his use of the word "crypto" a little too frequently.  But this guy really does GET Bitcoin compared to his peers.  He even got the fact that it will help the power grid in Texas, and his understanding of that is fairly deep.

Anyway, I get a kick out of his delight at the nunchuck letter.

Some may say he is a politician and none of them can be trusted... also possibly valid.

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1497031845984227328



Not a fan of his, but pretty cool coverage. Much needed to offset the incoming, bitcoin is just a way for Russia to bypass sanctions FUD
439  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2022, 10:22:29 PM
Looks like China is about to snub Russia


$50000 bitcoin in one hour  Wink

Sauce? or fog?
440  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2022, 04:52:56 PM
Ukraine soldiers leaving for war and most of them will never return.





Correct me if I'm wrong but that guy in the first photo is a head taller than the chick he's hugging yet the runt playing nazi is a dwarf that a nazi would never call arian?

Also the runt's ears stick out while the others ears do not.

But its a false argument anyway because you can't paint an entire country from a few bad apples.  If you did then every countrys people would deserve to die.

People taking the comparison seriously? I thought it was a joke. Look this one has two hands, and so does this one! Coincidence? I think not!
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