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441  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 14, 2014, 04:35:33 PM

Jesus along with His disciples said that people are either for them or against them.  Smiley

How could you possibly know that?
Were you there then?

Bible says so.  Smiley

The Bible says there's a guy would walked on water.
It says there's a guy who splited the water in 2.
It says there's a guy who spit in mud and un-blinded another guy with that.

Enjoy your fairy tails bro.

Thanks, jackjack.

The Bible exists, right? I mean there are book stores in many countries around the world where you can go to find a copy of the Bible in many languages, right? Well, if you studied the details of how the Bible came into existence, you would see that it is impossible for the Bible to exist. Yet, the Bible DOES exist.

Rather than do that, you study the details of how evolution exists. Then, rather than express your findings, that evolution is impossible to exist, you proudly and emphatically say that it exists. Yet, the only place anyone can see evolution happening is in the minds of the scientists. Yet people can see the Bible all over the place.

Smiley

Not sure what you mean. Lord of the rings excist in loads of languages, is that a proof of goblins?
442  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 14, 2014, 04:33:19 PM

Wow giga off-topic.
I didn't mention anything about infinity. And even the monkey page doesn't talk about infinity.

The point is that there are (1000 billions)^2 = 100000000000000000000000000 stars in the universe. The probability of having the conditions applied in the 70s in at least one of planet around one of them is rather high IMO.

Sorry. Me bad for assuming that you were, in part, talking about infinity when you mentioned a webpage - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem - that has as one of its basic premises the idea of an infinite amount of time. And, in real life, it seems that you almost have to have eternity for an infinite amount of time to exist. Sorry.

Smiley

I have to ask. Do you know what the theory of evolution is? It almost sounds like you think its some kind of random pick from the tree of life.
Or that guy. ( dont remember his name) that was worried about going around for millions of years waiting to evolve a mouth so he could eat.
Thre is nothing random about evolution.
You dont have to go thru every single configuration to get to your goal like that monkey in the link

Edit: Sorry I rememberd wrong. It wasnt a mouth. It was going to the toilet. Here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Lt5ClxG5Q


If the idea of evolution has to do with randomness, then, because of the difficulty involved along with probability, evolution is impossible.

If the idea of evolution has to do with cause and effect, then, because of the difficulty involved, the proof for God has to do with universe/machine > machine Maker = no evolution.

If it has to do with a combination of the two (randomness at times), or with something else entirely, then we don't have a clue, and evolution theory is entirely pointless.

Smiley

In other words you dont know what it is. Please read up on the subject. Is easyer to have a debate when both sides knows the facts
443  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 11, 2014, 07:06:12 PM

With thousands of billions of galaxies, each containing thousands of billions of stars, the probability of finding the conditions we made then seems quite high.

And I'd prefer not I'd like to avoid play on words. I don't care about the name, did you actually read the page. At least a part of it?

Eternity and infinity are gigantic terms. Their in-depth understanding is mostly outside of our understanding.

Nature around us suggests only beginning and ending. Such things as infinity and eternity are not clearly indicated in nature. Everything has a beginning, especially the life of plants and animals, and people. These also have an ending. No infinity and eternity.

While the cosmos is gigantic, both in the macro and the micro, we are uncertain about its continuation in either direction. We are simply too limited in our ability to observe these things at present.

Parallel Universes. Quantum mechanics suggests that for each correct solution to a puzzle (answer to a question), there are an infinite number of incorrect solutions. What's interesting is that the reverse is true in quantum mechanics as well. For each incorrect solution to a puzzle, there are an infinite number of correct answers. This is mind boggling. It also suggests that modern advancements exist simply because we believe that they exist, not because they are scientific facts. Think about it.

Consider pure randomness. Virtually ALL science is based on cause and effect, action and reaction. All scientists are trained to look at what exists, and find out more, based on what they have seen that exists already. Because of this, scientists show that there is really no probability; pure randomness doesn't seem to exist, because everything that they learn is based on cause and effect. Although we use randomness daily throughout our lives, pure randomness is so extremely abstract that we almost can't conceive of it. Only Buddhists and Hindus talk about emptying themselves in meditation. Is this where religion borders on science?

The point is, if we ever get to the point that we can start to "see" everything that exists, we just might find that there IS a beginning and end, to all of it. But what we will probably also find is that the way we fit into the universe produces in us a seeming eternal and infinite existence, at least while we are conscious.

Smiley

Wow giga off-topic.
I didn't mention anything about infinity. And even the monkey page doesn't talk about infinity.

The point is that there are (1000 billions)^2 = 100000000000000000000000000 stars in the universe. The probability of having the conditions applied in the 70s in at least one of planet around one of them is rather high IMO.

Sorry. Me bad for assuming that you were, in part, talking about infinity when you mentioned a webpage - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem - that has as one of its basic premises the idea of an infinite amount of time. And, in real life, it seems that you almost have to have eternity for an infinite amount of time to exist. Sorry.

Smiley

I have to ask. Do you know what the theory of evolution is? It almost sounds like you think its some kind of random pick from the tree of life.
Or that guy. ( dont remember his name) that was worried about going around for millions of years waiting to evolve a mouth so he could eat.
Thre is nothing random about evolution.
You dont have to go thru every single configuration to get to your goal like that monkey in the link

Edit: Sorry I rememberd wrong. It wasnt a mouth. It was going to the toilet. Here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Lt5ClxG5Q
444  Economy / Speculation / Re: BUY Bitcoin today or get left behind on: September 11, 2014, 06:51:58 PM
How many accounts do you have falllling?
445  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: September 05, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
what if, just what if God was just a normal man. And over the years stories just were told was over hyped.  Smiley

And then hes like I want a good business model, lets form a church and get all these people to give me money.

Of course, if we considered that god was a normal man... then we'd still have to figure out how to contact the Guy Who created the universe.

Smiley

You still havent proven that God created the universe. So far you have used evolution as evidence, but we have explenation for evolution without any need of a magic man in the sky. All the "evidence" you have is look around in nature" I have done that and see evolution. and "study the bible" I have and found loadads of made up stories. I still see no evidence for any surpernatrual being. The thred is called scientiffic proof... and its around 20 pages long now. Its time to pay up or admidt that you are wrong
446  Other / Off-topic / Re: What happens to the wicked upon death? on: September 05, 2014, 06:04:00 PM
You die. Your brain rot and you are no more.
End of story
447  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 31, 2014, 06:18:36 PM

My statement still holds true regardless of your ideas and opinions. Here, I'll make it easier to understand:

We are no closer to proving god than 1000 years ago. FACT.
We are no closer to disproving god than 1000 years ago. FACT.
No evidence exists in favor of god, same as 1000 years ago. FACT.
No evidence exists not in favor of god, same as 1000 years ago. FACT.


You just don't get it do you? Religion/God works because it is a faith.

There's not meant to be any evidence/proof. That's the whole point..

C'mon, I'm not even religious but I still "get" how it operates.




But the reverse is true as well.

We are no closer to disproving God, either.
However, the more modern science gets, the more it disproves evolution.
Evolution has been disproven thousands of times since Darwin.
Yet nobody has disproven God.

Study the books. You will see that ALL evolution is based on scientists saying wording like, "maybe it happened this way."

The religion of evolution is one of the saddest religions around, even as its followers are some of the greatest believers in their religion.

Smiley

Evolution has never been disproven. If it had it would no longer be a theory.
Its not our job to dispriove God. You say he excist. You have to prove it.

Again where is your evidence?
448  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 30, 2014, 06:10:06 PM
Oh, this is so funny. Not the serious points. Rather the fact that people want to believe certain things that seem to be impossible to others, yet they are unwilling to recognize that some of the things that they believe are considered to be impossible by those same others.

For example, one person says, it is impossible for there to be a living angel inside the sun. Another says that it is impossible for evolution to have happened.

If we want to start to reconcile our "beliefs," all of us first need to recognize that there is only ONE reason why life and the earth is possible. That reason is, simply, that we exist. We are here. At least it feels like it and looks like it.

One of the most important things that we need to realize if we want to move on to an understanding of ourselves and the universe is, it is utterly impossible for life, and nature on the earth, and even the whole universe, to exist, according to anything that we know or understand, except that we do exist, and it all exists. Without recognizing this, all the rest of scientific investigation is meaningless, except that it moves us in the direction of understanding how impossible this universe is. That's the start towards understanding.

Smiley

Except there is ZERO evidence for angels living in the sun.  And 100% evidence for evolution.  Evolution isn't an opinion, I am so tired of people treating it as such.  It is a fact.  But even with the FACT of evolution, there is still room for your gods existence, one does not disprove the other, so stop refuting known facts and wasting everyone's time.

Actually, there is scientific evidence. Then, there are interpretations of that evidence. Some of the interpretations suggest that the universe is billions of years old and that evolution is where people came from. Some of the interpretations of the same evidence suggests a short universal age - as short as 6,000 years - and that people simply "popped" into existence without any real evidence of where they came from. And there are other interpretations of that same evidence, as well.

Smiley

So present that evidence. This thred is 18 pages long now and so far i havent seen a single one.
This God you clame excist also poped into existence without anny real evidence from where he came from.
One can pop up but not the other one? Science know where people came from. Its called the evolution theory. Where is your evidence
449  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 27, 2014, 06:16:37 PM
So where is the evidence that you keep on about?
So far I havent seen anything.
Bodyparts connected to the right place is no evidence. Its called evolution.
Nature is no evidence. It can be explained thru biology
That people have written books and made up stories thru history. No evidence
So where is it?

Basically, the evidence is found in:
1. all the ways that nature proves that it is a highly complex and complicated machine;
2. that the only thing we see with regard to the machine of nature is a running-down, like a clock that is winding down, or a pendulum that is gradually swinging to its bottom-dead-center stop;
3. we have no evidence whatsoever of anything that could start such a thing as nature and the universe into the complexity that they are.

You don't need me to do your research for you.

Smiley

Sorry nothing of that is evidence. As I said itcan be explained thru evolution and biologi
A supreme being that creates universes is much more complex than anything in nature.
If a creature like that can pop up from nothing surley the universe can

You are mistaken about evolution, and the age of the universe as well. When you examine the evidences for evolution, you find:
1. evidence that can be interpreted in many different ways, some that do not indicate evolution at all;
2. basics that are rooted in disclaimers like "if" and "maybe;"
3. lots of hyped-up propagandizing that the story of evolution and the age of the universe is true;

when, in reality, none of it is sound science at all.

Smiley

You didn't answer where this complex creature that makes universes come from.
Nothing?
And since he must me far more complex than a universe, why cant a less complex thing like the universe come from the same thing?


You don't realize that we, who haven't even been able to discover and uncover the complexities of the universe, certainly have a long way to go to understand where He comes from? What does it mean to be "outside of the universe?" We can't think in that direction because everything we are revolves around the things of this universe.

Yes, He is far more complex than the universe. In fact, He is so different that the word "complex" doesn't really hold any meaning with regard to Him. We can't conceive of anything like what He is. The word "different" is, perhaps, billions, or trillions, of times too weak to express how different He is.

We might as well use the simple words of the Bible to see the description of God. We simply can't comprehend any more than that.

Smiley

So this overly complex thing exist forever with no explenation what so ever except a badly written book (Yes I have read it), but a simpler thing like a universe cant do the same?
450  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 26, 2014, 06:14:36 PM
So where is the evidence that you keep on about?
So far I havent seen anything.
Bodyparts connected to the right place is no evidence. Its called evolution.
Nature is no evidence. It can be explained thru biology
That people have written books and made up stories thru history. No evidence
So where is it?

Basically, the evidence is found in:
1. all the ways that nature proves that it is a highly complex and complicated machine;
2. that the only thing we see with regard to the machine of nature is a running-down, like a clock that is winding down, or a pendulum that is gradually swinging to its bottom-dead-center stop;
3. we have no evidence whatsoever of anything that could start such a thing as nature and the universe into the complexity that they are.

You don't need me to do your research for you.

Smiley

Sorry nothing of that is evidence. As I said itcan be explained thru evolution and biologi
A supreme being that creates universes is much more complex than anything in nature.
If a creature like that can pop up from nothing surley the universe can

You are mistaken about evolution, and the age of the universe as well. When you examine the evidences for evolution, you find:
1. evidence that can be interpreted in many different ways, some that do not indicate evolution at all;
2. basics that are rooted in disclaimers like "if" and "maybe;"
3. lots of hyped-up propagandizing that the story of evolution and the age of the universe is true;

when, in reality, none of it is sound science at all.

Smiley

You didn't answer where this complex creature that makes universes come from.
Nothing?
And since he must me far more complex than a universe, why cant a less complex thing like the universe come from the same thing?
451  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 25, 2014, 07:43:16 PM
So where is the evidence that you keep on about?
So far I havent seen anything.
Bodyparts connected to the right place is no evidence. Its called evolution.
Nature is no evidence. It can be explained thru biology
That people have written books and made up stories thru history. No evidence
So where is it?

Basically, the evidence is found in:
1. all the ways that nature proves that it is a highly complex and complicated machine;
2. that the only thing we see with regard to the machine of nature is a running-down, like a clock that is winding down, or a pendulum that is gradually swinging to its bottom-dead-center stop;
3. we have no evidence whatsoever of anything that could start such a thing as nature and the universe into the complexity that they are.

You don't need me to do your research for you.

Smiley

Sorry nothing of that is evidence. As I said itcan be explained thru evolution and biologi
A supreme being that creates universes is much more complex than anything in nature.
If a creature like that can pop up from nothing surley the universe can
452  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 25, 2014, 07:04:52 PM
So where is the evidence that you keep on about?
So far I havent seen anything.
Bodyparts connected to the right place is no evidence. Its called evolution.
Nature is no evidence. It can be explained thru biology
That people have written books and made up stories thru history. No evidence
So where is it?
453  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The ten commandments if they were actually written by God on: August 25, 2014, 06:49:35 PM
454  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcoin 2.0 on: August 22, 2014, 05:32:50 PM
How can you guys talk smack about Altcoins... They are great contrast to Bitcoins, I think without them Bitcoins wouldn't be as popular as it is today.

“Altcoins offer ways to gain exposure to different segments of the crypto-universe. Darkcoin is a brilliant coin that addresses a real need. As I said before, the market as a whole is set for 100x growth so there is plenty of upside.” -Max Keiser

Just because some of you guys traded in shitcoins and lost money, you have a negative view on them altcoins now. Look at what Nxt coin and ethereum are doing now. Besides being able to trade different coins is a great way of making money and investing in particular altcoins in the future. If you believe in Bitcoins and want it to progress, dont knock altcoins... Support it and be part of the ever growing community!

BTC The Future!

I didnt loose money on altcoins. I made money on it. That dosent change the fact that calling a coin Bitcoin 2.0 makes it any diffrent from any other altcoin
455  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcoin 2.0 on: August 22, 2014, 05:21:07 PM
You can call any altcoin Bitcoin 2.0.
That dosent mean it's a bitcoin. It's still an altcoin
456  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheist evolutionary scientist convinced by the evidence on: August 22, 2014, 05:13:58 PM
The article sounds just wierd.
A scientist sees something in the microscope and instead of finding out what it really is he starts to beleave in ghost and goblins..
"blind chanse"? I have a hard time to beleave that this is a real article since he clearly dont know what evolution is
457  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gov to Farmers: Host Same-Sex Wedding or Pay a $13,000 Fine on: August 20, 2014, 07:22:02 PM
They have found a candidate to a "gay" gene. On the other hand they have never found any candidate for a Judaism gene, so I'm not sure why you bring that up.
458  Other / Off-topic / Re: God is Reality on: August 16, 2014, 07:35:43 PM
Histories about santa have been around for a long time too. Not to mention other gods.
the fact that the fairytale is old dosent make it true

If you take the time to research the quantity and quality of info in the Old Testament, you will see that it is impossible for such a writing to have come into existence the way it has. It is way too complex. There is no other religious or "Santa" writing that even comes close to the complexity involved in making the Bible O.T. happen, and making it to be available worldwide like it is. There is more than simple, natural, random happenings going on here. And there is more than what a cult of people could do on their own.

Smiley

Not sure what you mean. There are loads of stories around the world about Santa and more people have seen him than God.
There is even songs written in his honour.
Not sure what you mean by complex. If you mean full of errors and contradictions you are right
I have to say that there is more proof for santa than God.

459  Other / Off-topic / Re: God is Reality on: August 16, 2014, 07:03:55 PM
Histories about santa have been around for a long time too. Not to mention other gods.
the fact that the fairytale is old dosent make it true
460  Other / Off-topic / Re: God is Reality on: August 16, 2014, 05:48:29 PM
A self-moderated thread about religion, this sounds swell.

Yeah, I agree. This sounds shady. At first I thought you were just writing a provocative article to get people into a heated debate, but now it sounds more like you'll filter anyone with different beliefs from you.

/RANT
I bow to no man or god and I believe the Cosmos will help guide my evolution. Not everyone feels this way, but sometimes I'll jest about Christians believing in a floating man in the clouds barking orders. To me, Christianity sounds like a bunch of brainwashed people who believe that they'll burn in a pit of firey acid for all eternity if they don't bow to their Christian God who claims to be all loving and all forgiving. Christians sometimes get mean towards others, yet they have a golden rule to do unto others as you'd have them do unto you and a part of the bible says "Judge not, lest ye be judged" and another says "Who soever is without sin, cast the first stone." Yet, Christians believe that everyone is a sinner and some go around treating people like they're garbage for not believing what they do.

It all contradicts itself, yet people still believe that crap.
/RANT

Hopefully this helps get some drama started for you, as I can't see why else this thread was posted.

We ALL bow in death.

Christians are simply people who recognize that they are mistake-makers and need the help of Jesus to rise from the dead at the last day. Such recognition doesn't make them special or better in any way, even though some of them think that it does. But at least they are willing to accept the fact that they need the help of God to live and exist, and especially in the afterlife.

Smiley

The fact is that there is no God, no afterlife no heaven or hell.
No one you know will suffer forever because they put their faith in the wrong invisible friend,
so enjoy the time you have on earth and relax  Smiley
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