Ah look who it is.

Well the new design may be an improvement FOR SURE.

However, sadly it seems a couple of terrible things has happened.


1. Lauda who is a proven scam shill and protector has been put in a position of trust.
Not to mention something about 3000BTC being misused whilst under his control??

2. The only people that seemed to dare give him red trust are now missing from DT
Is this correct?

3.Also Lauda is abusing the trust system and trying to use it to silence people telling the truth about his past?



If I am mistaken about any of those things can you point them out?

Facts only

Lauda can you explain why you have given me red trust? thanks

WOW what is this some abuse lauda is seeking to reverse to shut them up??

Firstly never kiss up to this dumb ass lauda. He only removed this because there is going to be a shit storm about such a scam promoting shady scum bag gettting back on DT.

He did not do it out of the kindness of its heart.

Do be grateful tell him to fuck off and don't dare abuse his position again. Actually keep this account of his abuse to get him kicked off again.

LOL running off now are you.

No chance.

You, tman and lauda need investigating. Your entire history. Your entire trust feedback

I want a factual response from lauda about my red trust and why it was given. I want details. If he can not supply I want them removed at once. And that other asskissing div TMAN.

I will not have red trust for telling a scam promoter he is a scam promoter and protector.

How can revealing facts about his past be a threat if he has not done anything wrong.

Also can you now furnish me with details over his escrow bch debacle and explain exactly how you can be sure lauda is not guilty of wrong doing.

This is a good thing to investigate right here. I mean surely no matter of the greatness of the algo if it allows scam hunters to get red trust for telling a scam promoter and possible escrow scammer that he will ask for the facts to be investigated and relay them to projects he works with???

Are you telling me DT is there to enable the bad guys to silence the people that want to tell the truth about them?

Also I guess if I study all of your 3 post histories and look at your trust feedbacks I will see no reason to think you are colluding.

I mean aside from the fact a few mins after opening a thread concerning lauda giving red trust to silence the FACTS he is a scum bag that TMAN adds more red trust.... hmm just coincidence hey??

No harm investingating you 3 then is there?

Really we will see.

I bet I will see a lot of edits popping up on your 3 accounts.

This is all you dumb fools have?? no answers to the factual statements that i make at all??

LOL

freeze their accounts and analyse them. I wonder what will be found.

Also let's look at their trust feedbacks then entire lot and see what matches we see.

Surely no harm in being investigated is there???

I mean nothing to hide do you?

Oh yeah answer my questions with facts whilst you are here and ask you master Lauda to get it scumbag ass here to answer with clear facts and observable events why I got red trust.

He will not even come and explain it because to do so would mean he has to admit he was a scam promoter and also bring the details of his escrow bch debacle and have it all poured over in public. (which is going to happen anyway)

Then he needs to admit. He gave me red trust to try and prevent those FACTS being presented to whom I want when I want. Presenting facts about someone is not a threat unless you are a scammer or scumbag with things to hide.

LaudaM you proven scam promoting scum bag. How do you get back on DT.

You have demonstrated already you seek to use DT to silence scam hunters revealing who the real scam promoters and enablers here.

You should be removed at once. It makes a mockery of the system that you are DT.

I also wish for a factual account of why you have left me red trust or else remove it at once and instruct your dumb asskissing moron bitch TMAN to remove his too.

I think TMAN, OWLCATZ AND LAUDA need to have their post histories frozen and analysed for wrong doing and collusion. You can't allow these types to infiltrate systems of trust here without looking into them.

Lauda's own trust feedback looks dreadful. I mean I know for a fact he was a scam promoter and enabler for years but now i hear more dubious and shady sounding things about escrowing and taking 3000 forked bch from a project full of investors that got ripped off??

I would like to see a full investigation into that for sure before allowing this person into a position of trust.

I also think it is the duty of all DT to find any project he is dealing with now or in future and allowing them access to the facts so they can make an informed decision??

DT is no there to help scammers silence the scam hunters is it???

I only want to hear the facts about LaudaM Lauda and the facts about TMAN and OWLCATZ. I think remove them until full analysis is conducted because if they are as bad as some say and working together then they could cause huge damage here.

It is worrying to see such collusion already amongst those entrusted to DT. I mean I make a FACTUAL THREAD about DT new algo allowing shady scum like lauda in moments later TMAN that low functioning imbecile thinks he is helping lauda but just demonstrates how open the system is to collusion and crushing free speech demonstrating FACTS.

There can be no argument against what I am saying it just happened in black and white.

Lauda is scum. Get that wretch out of DT.

By whining such moon means presenting factual observations of how it functions. The implications of it functioning in that way, and possible ways to make it more objective, meaningful, and fair.

Wouldn't worry about DT being used to silence scam hunters presenting facts about previous scam protectors and scam enablers??
Is that right?

What is suchmoons opinion on the Lauda escrow debacle. I wait to here this from another DT member.

Have you bothered to investigate LAUDAM LAUDA Owlcatz and TMAN??? or just wasting time on whack a mole noobs spamming for btc dust ?

Have considered removing the rot at the top first or that is too powerful a target for you and you just prefer to take out soft targets?

Are you a scam hunter of scammer protector?

Scammers are worse than spammers and they need weeding out first. LaudaM is not to be trusted. Having it on DT is a joke. Also 2 of his dumb ass pals colluding straight away just now because I am revealing the truth.

TMAN that dumb shit just proved that there is open collusion here. The moment I opened this FACTUAL THREAD he adds me more red trust. (of course that does not essentially matter to me since I never trade however this is the principle of it all)

I will be hounding that dog LaudaM now and he can be viewed as a Pariah to any future project.

Please notify me here of any projects lauda gets involved with ....

There is NO point of view. There is simply the truth. 

Do you not get that when you are presented with observable events there is no room for opinion on if they happened. They are there in black and white.

Which part of the truth do you have issue with?

Do you know LaudaM entire history here? That is in black and white?

Which part is too incoherent for you to understand ?

Read LaudaM history. He is a scum bag and scam promoter = FACT

Look into his escrow debacle = what do you think about it?

Look into those 3 colluding over their entire post history = what do you think

What big names??? = these people never achieved ANYTHING OF NOTE - they are self made big names in meta

I have nothing against anyone personally unless.


1. they are scammers
2. they are attacking me first

I seek facts. I present facts.


Read my red trust and tell me factually why I should have it in the spirit of...

1. scammers being highlighted
2. Past scamming deeds should be not forgotten
3. collusion must be stopped by the implementation of strict criteria and a mandate.

This is the best thing that could have happened straight away.

Moron I already told you that I want facts..

Also you have already helped enough with leaving me red trust to prove collusion and that fact if you question wrong red trust their ass kissing trolls that have also ended up in a position of power come out and try to give more.

Thanks for the help dip shit but now your low functioning mind can either provide me some facts or just become more transparent for being scared to bring some facts and rather continue with repeating you dumb nonsense.

Also whilst you are about it moron can you provide me any ANY contribution you have made to the forum that made ANY difference at all.

If not sit down and stfu you non achieving driveling asskissing fool.

You are making it worse for all 3 of you scum bags by failing to bring any evidence or factual reason I should have a red trust for telling the TRUTH ABOUT LAUDAM THE SCAM PROMOTER

and for asking for a full analysis and breakdown over his escrow debacle.

and for asking for a full anlaysis of the collusion between you 3 over your post history.

Do you not understand that I want an investigation based on facts relating to the red trust I was given you fool.

i am actually glad you have shown you dumb ass here to add to laudas problems.

Not going to work. Your new red trust just demonstrates the collusion more.

I call for a full investigation of your entire history here and laudas and that owlcatz...also the pharmacists.

The others are just snitching pathetic tools but I see no reason to believe they are actually scammers and dangerous like tman, lauda and owlcatz.

LOL at my red trust for presenting the truth and busting a scam lauda was promoting and protecting.

I think their accounts should be frozen and full analysis conducted on them and their entire trust feedback (given and received ) before allowing them on DT1.

I mean TMAN obviously being low functioning thinks that because I am understandably pissed off at getting silenced for highlight a scam promoter and threatening to actually present those facts to others ....makes me insane and just by calling me that it is enough to dispel the truth that anyone can research. You are a full on retard and I am glad you are here because Lauda is a sneaky fucking dirt bag but since you are now trying to help out you will be his demise.

This is about the entire DT trust system not just lauda but will start with the most obviously dirty to get the ball rolling. However I am going to be going through your post history and I already know a few people who say they know you in RL and what a scum bag you are.

Let's see where this goes.

The facts are the facts.

LOL puppet account - - haha

Sorry moron, time for real analysis of your past and that of your dumb ass idol laudaM.

These 2 accounts are well known to be colluding with this turd lauda. I have seen this said in a couple of threads before. I wonder what careful analysis of those 3 accounts will reveal.

Get on it snitches. Take the real dangerous scammers out from the top not worry about a few broke bums spamming for btc dust.

Let's have a clear out based on FACTS on this forum.

This thread will serve as FACTUAL analysis of these DT members.

Who can dish the dirt on these 3.

LAUDA OWLCATZ AND TMAN

let's look through their histories here. I mean come on this place will be infested with scammers and scam promoters.

But first things first LAUDAM OR LAUDA.

Then the others. No witch hunt only analysis of their past behaviour based on FACTS.

Moron I said facts only. Now fuck off and bring me facts or stfu.

Known lauda asskisser.

I want to hear the reason for that skanks own mouth about how I am due red trust from a scam protector and promoter like it.

FACTs - you are probably not familiar with those.

Let's observe the new DT list and how it operates.

LOL this new algo starts off well. I notice that that dumb scam promoting shit bag LaudaM now changed his scam promoting username to Lauda. Presumably to distance itself from its past scam protecting and promoting deeds,


Lauda better come here and tell me exactly why with FACTS why i have red trust from someone who promoted the largest scam on this board for years.

Oh look is Lauda reversing some previous abuse to shut the guy up??

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2945878.msg49146082#msg49146082

He is allowed now to give me red trust for FACTUALLY TELLING HIM HE IS A SCAM PROMOTING SCUM BAG.

I want a factual presentation of exactly why I have red trust from him now.

Also I think we need to have this thread to investigate what sort of people we have on the DT lists as a measure of how well the entire system is working.


What sort of fucked up world allows a scam promoter like him to give me red trust for calling him a PROVEN scam promoter.

Also it is not a threat to say I will ask for a factual review of his past deed involving moving escrow funds to gain from the BCH debacle.
That is called doing them a favour. EXACTLY THE SORT OF THING THAT SHOULD BE SLAMMED ON HIS TRUST IN RED.

I think on meta a factual analysis of the persons on DT or Merit sources should be kept current to serve as a indication of how the DT lists are populating.

IF YOU CAN GET RED TRUST ABOUT CALLING SOMEONE A SCAM PROMOTER WHEN HE IS A SCAM PROMOTER AND PROTECT AND SAYING YOU WILL FIND HIS PROJECTS HE IS ESCROWING FOR.... AND GIVE THEM THOSE FACTS THEN DT IS HELPING SCAMMERS.

There is no other way of looking at it.

I AM GETTING RED TRUST FOR TELLING THE TRUTH AND FOR SAYING I WILL ALERT OTHERS TO THESE FACTS.

THIS IS WITHOUT THE SHADY SHIT HE MAY HAVE PULLED WITH ESCROW FUNDS THAT I HAVE NOT HEARD THE FULL FACTS FOR BUT IF 2 OTHER DT MEMBERS (NOW REMOVED FROM DT ) ARE NOW TAKEN OUT? is this true?


Any other DT member that does not fight laudas red trust is also now a scammer protector and wishes to silence scam hunters like myself that is a fact.

Where is the full factual account of his escrowing shady shit?

 I keep hearing about where he moved 3000btc and kept the BCH from the split. If this is true or even possible and he does not prove nothing shady happened this must be another reason to remove him or even ban him. I would like to go over it all step by step in this thread along with any information or dirt about other shady people that are infesting positions of trust and using them to silence the truth being known about their past deeds.


We need  a thread like this to police the DT trust list. Any shady scum must immediately be removed else the entire thing is a joke.



ANY DT MEMBER IGNORING THE FACTS PRESENTED HERE NEED TO BE REMOVED IF THEY DO NOT BOOT THAT SHIT STAIN OFF.

He is one of the worst scum on here. For years he protected the Dash captive instamine which then compounded their ill gotten loot with that scum bag masternode system.

The pharmacist is another scam promoting scum bag lauda ass kisser too.

I mean read that dumb shits last posts about it where he says he feels loyalty to lauda but is not smart enough to know if lauda really did scam people from his escrowing deeds?? yeah let's have him on DT too.

This is admitting you will support a possible scammer because you feel loyalty to him.

Is this like an early april fools??

With these 2 for a moral compass soon anyone that is not a scammer or talks out against scammers will have red trust?

Now let me say that I can see the new design is an improvement but no way can we start with Lauda on there. He needs blacklisting at once and probably ( we will see after looking though their entire history so will TMAN and Owlcatz) but we can investigate to see how much collusion is apparent from their entire history.

When I asked you why people called LoyceV  an AI all the time.

You told me that was the reason???

Now when I try to turn over a new leaf and make friends again ..you do me like this?

I knew I could not trust you.

That's it deals off.

Sorry loyce I was hoping suchmoon would play fair. He made a very convincing story with corroborating posts from your history and I felt his explanation was more than reasonable. Little did I know he was trying to drive a wedge between you and my floors.

Thanks for noticing.

Try putting it in another colour it's really fun weeeeeeeeeeeeeee

read my post. Rebut the points you can cleary with evidence. Otherwise remain silent and don't offer more unsubstantiated irrelevant nonsense.



@actmyname

Would be better to chime back in on the thread in meta that addresses the same subject but in a place where it may be of some use to discuss it.

I am ready to discuss all the new explanations, excuses, unavoidable outcomes based on the broken mechanisms, time travel, lemons, anything people want in the most important thread of the year. Also in sensible straight forward simple and honest language.

Anyway this all boils back down to the central points we were discussing in the most important thread of the year in meta. I should have made my responses in blue but I did them italics. Next time blue to make it easier to spot.

I can't see the point of discussing this very same subject in 2 places at once. Come back to the most important thread of the year when you get some time.


@loyce the AI  (absolute imbecile)

same answer as before.

what makes me laugh about you (apart from how observably foolish you are)  is that you are obsessed with me. I mean you can't keep me on ignore you have to keep peeking at my posts and replying. Watch, I mean you have announced I am on ignore many times and yet you peek and will reply to me again shortly. Now I notice you have started to mention me in threads (i like that) You have no self control where the true legend cryptohunter is concerned do you?

Come let's be friends I can have you at my place if you like. You know those small round robot floor dusters that somehow go all around your floors and cleans them ... I have one of those somewhere. We will get you all set up and functioning on that. Plenty of redundancy for your future personal growth. You're gonna love it ... being where I am...and cleaning up all my mucky areas.


@suchy

Come ask your questions on meta in my most important thread of the year. Or should I copy and paste some of your questions there since you don't seem to dare to debate there any longer with me. That last post was a classic. I mean sorry about my mistake but that was a pure comedy gold that you provided.


Now let's all start over. I feel I got off on the wrong foot with some of you guys . Let's all head back to meta and discuss in an adult and measured way. I am ready to turn over a new leaf. I will no longer hit you guys with the truth mercilessly over and over until you are all bouncing off of one another flailing around screaming excuses and garbled nonsense.

 I promise I will just focus on the systems and how to improve them. You guys actually have been so open and obvious cycling merit and colluding to stop me highlighting issues and suggesting improvements it can almost be reasoned that you are being so net negative that you swung round to net positive again by forcing the systems overhauled because such fools holdin such high scores makes it as ridiculous as the notion of the  pharmacist  willingly removing his highly paid sig.

Ok new leaf can starts now btw. That was just the old me above.

All back to meta now and we all just be friends again. I don't think it is fair you should all be kicked out of your fav forum away from your ex fans. I start to feel bad now about providing some stats and some factual descriptions about how merit and trust operate and suggestions on how to make them more objective and fair.  Forgive me.

Then put through the truth filter suchmoons post reads...


I can't refute or dispute anything cryptohunter says. So i just make other excuses.

Get back to meta fool I am waiting there for you. Your last post was one of your best yet. I salute that level of irony. I can only hope it was intentional.

Or just hide cowering away in the self moderated threads away from scrutiny and facts LOL

LOL although you can not see the perfect irony in that last statement. I find it quite hilarious. Thank you again for all the smiles you bring me.


Typical suchmoon tactic.

1. yes I was skimming this thread whilst writing out another reply to another thread. So all you need to say is

I did not say that it was anduck have a look.

I will say okay yes. I agree it was not you. I take back that you said it. There you go.... answered later in post scroll down.


NOW though.

You seem to have read my entire post but like suchmoon always does is just ignore the central and most important point that he does not want to answer.

So I will ask him again so there can be no missing it.


WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THE SYSTEMS OF MERIT AND TRUST GIVEN A MANDATE AND CRITERIA SO THAT THEY PROVIDE RELIABLE, VALUABLE DATA THAT IS FAIRLY APPLIED TO ALL.

WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT TO SEE THESE SYSTEMS IMPROVED?


Keep in mind your post regarding good poster is meaningless without clear definition.


Now feel free to accept my public apology that I misread that other quote as yours . I still think that is wrong... if you can not say exactly why they got red trust you must not leave red trust especially in such a subjective system. So I am in agreement on that part.

After you have done that answer my central point in uppercase above.  I am guessing you will NOT.

Anduck stop being such a pussy as soon as suchmoon confronts you. This is not derailing the topic. These are examples of the DT system in action. It should all be discussed here not on PM.  Well that is if you believe you are telling the truth and that is it relevant to the discussion in the manner you are presenting it does. Of course alone they are only individual experiences but if true can demonstrate that improvements can and must be made.

If you think you are right. Then no need to slink away to PM. If you are right you are right. Simple as that.  Transparent open discussion is key to this board.

Derailing how?? how much more relevant  can prime examples concerning the DT system be  to this thread? we are discussing if we can improve the system right?

Suchmoon has no real power on an open discussion board because nobody does ..only the truth has power. If you get red trust, if you get no merits if you get banned. It does not really matter because you still exist and so does the truth so it can never stop being presented either by yourself or by close friends who can join who will insist on the truth being heard.

Now I agree being bogged down in to much anecdotal individual experience is not giving the full picture if you are presenting something you believe is true and both relevant to the topic then no need to slink off to PM just because suchmoon turns up. We need to find the issues and devise a solution to these issues.

Who says? you? LOL


I would say ANY person fighting against the systems being improved to be fairer, more reliable and producing valuable data for analysis are the people that should be kept away from trust positions in the first place.

What possible motive can anyone have for fighting against making the systems more robust and reliable and transparent.

Now if there were strict criteria for DT to follow it none of these arguments would be happening. First time they don't abide with the criteria and mandate boom they are gone. Of course they would need to be legends or heros and have a long history of fair behaviour and trustworthy behaviour. Any grey area squabbles would be too risky to start handing out red because unless you actually got scammed or have a clear case to provide that demonstrates they are untrustworthy then it will not be worth losing your DT over.

There should not be persons saying or having opinions on how it should be changed or not changed. There should be proposals that are weighed on their merit. There needs to be systems proposed and then debate on whether and why they are an improvement and if they can be coded into the design of the forum.

"Many times the reasons for a rating are complex and not referenceable" -suchmoon anduck

Give an example??


"just like a bounty shitposter isn't qualified to provide input on post quality and merits" -such moon

100% agree with most of that and that ANYONE GETTING PAID2POST should not be allowed  into a position of power controlling PAID2POST through merit and trust.  That is a good move for a start.  That takes out most of the sig spammers in meta here.

I always love it when you pop up to help confirm the we need to debate ways to improve the systems you and others seem to control right now. Stick around suchmoon your contributions are sorely missed in meta lately. Bring the others back here too that are poster boys for the fact the systems of control need criteria and a mandate or be abolished.

Bring evidence now ................... I don't think you will.  Where is my judgement terrible that makes me untrustworthy?

Where as I can demonstrate that you do not have the capacity or critical reasoning required to be a merit source. I mean how can anyone be left to judge others posts who is observably suffering from a broken mind?  Just from some of the statements you and other merit sources make you can tell that they are pretty much low functioning. If you want me to bring examples just ask and I will provide.

Actually my entire post history from.. uncovering, fighting, damaging huge huge scams and fighting for fairer distribution (even though I would have gained much more from leaving it as it was) of huge projects  only to be shouted down by a bunch of idiots who all later start complaining about how it went down and suggesting things I had presented to start with (bunch of fools).

 I help the very most weak where you and the pharmacist were trying to bully around and get banned and I know full well all of my actions will cost me probably red trust and merit withholding and could not give one shit because it just backs up my case that these systems needs to be tightened up  or destroyed.  Helping people with nothing become millionaires by helping to push forward only the projects that I see as filling in the missing pieces of the end to end fully decentralised or trustless arena we all want to see. Being asked to hold large amounts of coins for projects because they can trust me not to dump them like the dev did previously.

Honestly I would ask you to bring forth one person on the entire board with more relevant credentials for global mod or dt. Fairness and honesty and robustness against caving against pressure against other system controllers are key here.

 Not that I ask for any positions here because I am certain that where there is still free speech even one person can make a huge difference without being given positions of power.

If you can present one person with better proven judgement  over these years... and as hard as all the scammers and loud mouth turn coats have scoured my closet for skeletons they find nothing. I have been told many times projects have financed people searching for anything to discredit me as their only hope for stopping my relentless slamming of their scams. They came up with NOTHING to demonstrate I committed any wrong doing.

 I don't even just mean the gang in meta i mean every scammer and scam project who have talked trash about me but never produced ANY evidence of any wrong doing at all.  All you will find from the start is helping the weak, criticising huge scams and scammy distributional methods, pointing out and highlighting the biggest scam promoters and enablers, giving everyone fair chance of find the most profitable projects ever (that were not scams) freely and before they took off. Fighting for increased fairness and freedom for all. Yeah terrible judgement.

You have done nothing like any of that you dumb fool.. you pull stats and also try to bully the weak from what I can see... that is it and get paid to spam it all over the place..and you criticise my judgement? You are a poster boy for why the merit system is broken I could not ask for a better example. I mean you have done nothing of note, your logic is a fail over and over and you have the most earned merit on this board.

Anyway sorry to go off topic but since I am being named and accused of having judgement that makes me untrustworthy with no evidence I reserve the right to ask it is provided or it is observable he is talking nonsense.

I can not wait for this bad judgement that would preclude me from a trust position (I never asked for dt or merit source ever anyway).

Thanks for your post. Think it all over a bit more then reply. This is better for newbies and well everyone else if you like things fair and transparent.