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1  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [SCAM] Foxminers? on: May 23, 2017, 01:26:49 AM
"In particular, the units deliver 75TH/s mining power from an electricity consumption of 1500W. The energy efficiency is improved further by the chips being endothermic-they absorb energy heat from the surrounding rather than give it off.
global warming/climate change? SOLVED.
genius i tell ya, genius!!
***  Foxminers LLC is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without any well-known and trusted Forum Users 1st getting hold of one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***

Well since they do not care about blatantly breaking Copyright laws and outright lying about them inventing this Unicorn in 2017 despite ample hard proof of this being a rip-off of the SFARADS chip circa 2015, why should they care about breaking one of the laws of Thermodynamics? Wink

You mean teh third law, of course.  Crystals powah.

2  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [SCAM] Foxminers? on: May 22, 2017, 01:17:57 AM
Drunk sentence logic profiling complete, Gleb.  All signs point to yes.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Wolf's XMR/BCN/DSH CPUMiner - 2x speed compared to LucasJones' - NEW 06/20/2014 on: May 21, 2017, 07:40:38 PM
Dowload link at 1st page not work

anyone still have link for Non AES-NI miner ?

thanks

Nope.  I wouldn't waste your time or electricity, probably take ya an eon to get a whole coin.  I have a HP Z600 Workstation 2X Xeon E5640 Quad Core 2.67GHz/16GB/500Gb/V3800 with 20 ml of L3 cache that only hashes monero at .6 KH/s.  I was just trading electricity for XMR for quite a while on speculation, it might be slightly profitable now that monero is at about $33 USD, but mostly I'm just speculating still.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized. on: May 21, 2017, 05:17:01 AM
Somebody with skillz in this needs to write y'all some tuning optimization tools so you can seize opportunities better.  You guys seem to know your danger zones on variables, so set 'em and let it explore within said ranges.  Run 24h or so maybe, there's your settings for a bit.  No, it isn't me, just an idea.
5  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [SCAM] Foxminers? on: May 21, 2017, 04:17:13 AM
There's a disturbing lack of KYC\AML memes.  I don't always get pissed off when no one's done my work for me, but....
6  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [SCAM] Foxminers? on: May 20, 2017, 08:04:45 PM
Fuck you Gleb, dontcher want a miner that can air condition your house and make yer lektrik meter run backards ?   Smiley  LOL. 

I'm not even gonna say what I know this violates, delusional piece of shit, he's gonna put himself in the pen somehow now.  I was glad to see the SEO relevance hit finally, it is a very basic daily search.  I only scan the headlines of top 30.

Is 'studied at' synonymous with flunked out?  I love it when people say they are gonna sue me.  Meet ya at the courthouse, moron.
7  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [SCAM] Foxminers? on: May 20, 2017, 04:32:03 PM

Finally hit my google alert
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized. on: May 16, 2017, 10:04:31 AM

there is a danger of pulling rain water too aside of cool air from the window/s since the fans are giving them extra push.

It's a risk, up to you to assess how small or large.  GFCI the circuit that serves the room, maybe.

 DO PUT A GFCI (either a replace-the-outlet type or replace the breaker in the panel doesn't matter which) on any circuit that serves a fan in a window.

<snip>


Interesting point,  why exactly do you say that, I can think of multiple reasons that could have validity now.  I'd think you do want to be alerted to the rain somehow, if it's more than just some spitting you might want to close the window to avoid damaging the room interior or equipment, but if there's no ups on the equipment in the room it's just a kaboom, power cutout.  I wonder if there's a moisture sensor that would work if it rains in, I think those are pretty commonly available for early detection of plumbing floods now.  But then that leads to what if you're not home and can't get there quick enough?  I'm starting to think a rain cap like on a chimney, but I can't see that working for a window.  Maybe the window is just too easy an intake solution.
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized. on: May 15, 2017, 05:48:10 AM
Hi guys hoping to get some feedback on my room plan:



#1 is my current plan: pull cold air in from the window and push them over rigs with fans behind each rig, then pull hot air out from the front of the rigs and use an exhaust fan in the ceiling to collect hot air and exhaust it out of the roof.  This should be sufficient cooling for about the ~105 GPUs I can fit on that shelving unit

HOWEVER! I would like to leave open the possibility of expanding in the future without having to move the exhaust fan's ceiling location. So I was wondering if #2 would work if I double my size. As you can see I'd be using fans on the ground to push the incoming air up at all the rigs but I'm unsure if that 15 ft (4.5m) is too much distance to hope to carry the air.

Fwiw, I'm dealing with 75-85 Fahrenheit (24-29c) ambient temps

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

there is a danger of pulling rain water too aside of cool air from the window/s since the fans are giving them extra push.

Yeah that is a concern for me. However I have the window screen still on so that should help.

It's a risk, up to you to assess how small or large.  GFCI the circuit that serves the room, maybe.  Possibly just as easy as a single electrical outlet changeout, don't remember for sure.  You seem to like Home Depot, so http://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-20-Amp-125-Volt-AFCI-GFCI-Dual-Function-Outlet-White-AGTR2-W/300049855.  $26, and a decent industrial grade outlet has to be what, 4-5 bucks tops now, my WAG?  I definitely regret all the ones I've replaced with dollar ones now, just because of house cleaners yanking vacuum cleaner cords out the easy way.
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized. on: May 14, 2017, 02:43:09 PM
Hi guys hoping to get some feedback on my room plan:



#1 is my current plan: pull cold air in from the window and push them over rigs with fans behind each rig, then pull hot air out from the front of the rigs and use an exhaust fan in the ceiling to collect hot air and exhaust it out of the roof.  This should be sufficient cooling for about the ~105 GPUs I can fit on that shelving unit

HOWEVER! I would like to leave open the possibility of expanding in the future without having to move the exhaust fan's ceiling location. So I was wondering if #2 would work if I double my size. As you can see I'd be using fans on the ground to push the incoming air up at all the rigs but I'm unsure if that 15 ft (4.5m) is too much distance to hope to carry the air.

Fwiw, I'm dealing with 75-85 Fahrenheit (24-29c) ambient temps

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Getting this as efficient as you can is HVAC math.  I'm good enough at HVAC to be dangerous, but I do my own work and haven't ever screwed anything up majorly.  Your most limiting factor is probably input and exhaust air volume of the room based on the opening sizes.  I'd calculate that first and then the fans you have pushing the air over the rigs may be an issue or a bonus, but if those are portable, easy to cope later.  You want input and exhaust as far away from each other in the room as possible.  Ideally you also input from near or in the floor and exhaust from the ceiling or very near as well.  Guessing is why most home cooling systems are inefficient, almost nobody nobody does the math, they just slam in a too big or too small system and cash the checks.

What type of fans are you going to use for input and exhaust?

My room is about 17x12 ft.

My window is 54x34 in and I was going to mount one of these 3150 cfm fans in the window (next to the screen) for pushing air in: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ventamatic-20-in-High-Velocity-Floor-Fan-HVFF-20UPS/202795625

And this 5000 cfm fan for air exhaust in the ceiling.: http://www.homedepot.com/p/iLIVING-5000-CFM-Power-30-in-Single-Speed-Shutter-Exhaust-Fan-ILG8SF30S/207174738

I just learned its supposed to be a 2 to 1 exhaust:intake ratio so maybe I should find a slightly less powerful fan for air intake?

The fans I am planning to use behind each rig is the 550 cfm version of this fan, easily portable so yeah I can cope with issues pretty easily: http://orionfans.com/products/dc-fans/item/od254.html

In the front of each rig I was going to put a line of 5 x 180 cfm fans where the GPUs end

I didn't know the exhaust should be far away from the intake as possible. I thought I could put the shelving unit right by the window (close to the cold air) and use tarps to control the hot air side and try to exhaust it immediately right there.

Appreciate any advice!



In a closed room, yes, you want BOTH those rules goin on if you can.  I think I'd put the heat generator right smack in the middle of thee room.

The home depot cheaper fan, spent that kinda money on fans and ran em 24x7 and dead in 2 years or less  That's why I turn my wife's off every morning. Ain't no wind tunnel.

Go stand in front of 3500 - 5000 cfm fans at home depot or lowes, get 'em to plug em in for ya.  I don't think you'll be real impressed.  Ain't no wind tunnel.  Could be enough but won't know without including size of openings and cfm in the calcs, and prolly also BTU or estimate, avg ambient air temp outside and inside with no heat and cool running at all, etc.  Attic fans are awesome IF you open every window in the house, yer air isn't dirty, and you have a high temperature differential inside versus in. Like 20-30 degrees. That one is not much more expensive than a good bathroom exhaust fan nowadays.  I think you are mostly paying for the metal there.

It could work but you don't wanna overspent or underspend to get the job done.

Most HVAC forums are filled with tradesman that don't really like to give DIY advice in varying degrees but since you aren't working on a furnace or an air conditioner at all they may point you right at the correct formulas if you include all the measurements mentioned in this thread.

11  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [SCAM] Foxminers? on: May 14, 2017, 02:02:14 PM
Yeah, I'm done posting any more analysis, could be just helping them learn.
12  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [SCAM] Foxminers? on: May 12, 2017, 06:43:27 AM
I was looking at several new types of aggregators today for easier research.  Check it out.  https://foxminers.com.cutestat.com/  Note there is a comment box.  I'm tired or I would have left the first one, going to bed.
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized. on: May 12, 2017, 06:29:15 AM
Hi guys hoping to get some feedback on my room plan:



#1 is my current plan: pull cold air in from the window and push them over rigs with fans behind each rig, then pull hot air out from the front of the rigs and use an exhaust fan in the ceiling to collect hot air and exhaust it out of the roof.  This should be sufficient cooling for about the ~105 GPUs I can fit on that shelving unit

HOWEVER! I would like to leave open the possibility of expanding in the future without having to move the exhaust fan's ceiling location. So I was wondering if #2 would work if I double my size. As you can see I'd be using fans on the ground to push the incoming air up at all the rigs but I'm unsure if that 15 ft (4.5m) is too much distance to hope to carry the air.

Fwiw, I'm dealing with 75-85 Fahrenheit (24-29c) ambient temps

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Getting this as efficient as you can is HVAC math.  I'm good enough at HVAC to be dangerous, but I do my own work and haven't ever screwed anything up majorly.  Your most limiting factor is probably input and exhaust air volume of the room based on the opening sizes.  I'd calculate that first and then the fans you have pushing the air over the rigs may be an issue or a bonus, but if those are portable, easy to cope later.  You want input and exhaust as far away from each other in the room as possible.  Ideally you also input from near or in the floor and exhaust from the ceiling or very near as well.  Guessing is why most home cooling systems are inefficient, almost nobody nobody does the math, they just slam in a too big or too small system and cash the checks.

What type of fans are you going to use for input and exhaust?
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized. on: May 11, 2017, 05:38:32 AM
@VoskCoin, I think there's just been some pump\dump activity on DOGE lately, possibly related to this https://themerkle.com/whats-going-on-with-dogetipbot/
I have close to 20 coins in my portfolio, I don't mess with DOGE as an INVESTMENT.

@Phil, I like the wood too.  Take a few minutes and paint some racing stripes on 'em.  Wink
15  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [SCAM] Foxminers? on: May 11, 2017, 05:17:10 AM
Yeppers, but walking down memory lane is a nice way to quickly figure out if you are talking to children or not on the intertube, especially when anonymity is in play.  Important if you aren't just goofing around, but really want to get a read on something you don't consider yourself knowledgeable about to make an educated guess.

Forums are a good way to get better consensus on what to look at if you need to dig deeper, once you look at posters rep various ways and actually read stuff.
Part of the teaching yourself to fish process for me.  

When you believe you don't know enough to make your own guess in a vacuum, googling always produces the same answers to your question, YES and NO.

Just went through the same process on a herbicide question the other day, a dishwasher soap question a while back, I could probably list for years.  Those were easier because they weren't as complex or controversial or related to large sums of wealth\poverty for me, and the tube is not quite as filled with herbicide and soap trolls.

I don't need to flowchart that easier stuff to make a decision, which I can usually hit in 5-10 minutes, I just google and do it in my head.  I have to flowchart and document more complex and higher importance things just for myself sometimes.  My crypto trading\withdrawal\hedge\long hodl\short hodl\strategy activities are still on a giant pile of scribblies atm but has to happen soon.  That's about prioritization really, my list of high importance stuff is quite long right now, so I round robin through everything so nothing busts completely while I focus on one thing to the end.  But my crypto trading documentation has to get all pretty enough for my wife to follow soon or she will probably kill me.  She sees a bunch of money moving around in many accounts once a week when she does our books, and answering 50 why questions from her every Saturday is getting tiresome for both of us.

Everything leads back to trust.  My big mistake here was just opening my trap too soon without rep.  I do that sometimes just like I speak before thinking sometimes.  Not often, but it happens.

I just got a funny surprise, the guy that encouraged me to buy my first bitcoin hasn't logged in here since 2014, and I can't raise him on other channels though I've been trying for months.  At least I got a thirdhand confirm he isn't dead.  I suspect he's just gone deep and quiet, he was pretty early in and is probably just enjoying his private island.

Foxminers is a SCAM SCAM SCAM.
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Wolf's XMR/BCN/DSH CPUMiner - 2x speed compared to LucasJones' - NEW 06/20/2014 on: May 10, 2017, 10:11:27 PM
At this point if my suggestions can't work for you my last is to start an iptables question thread in a more appropriate venue\forum.  This thread doesn't see much traffic anymore is my guess, and if you KNOW you have an iptables problem then you are way off topic anyway because your issue is really not specifically about the miner software.
17  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [SCAM] Foxminers? on: May 10, 2017, 09:56:35 PM
Don't mind MOST OF your reply much, actually.  No, I didn't have a horrible education, I opted out of CS in engineering school because I was cognizant that I was hitting a wall in hard engineering and wasn't trying hard enough in digital design, physics, calculus, etc, too busy having fun, and I had no $.  Reality check, almost everyone does hit a wall at some point where they realize they are just faking it if they continue to try to advance, learning how to do it pretty well but have stopped total comprehension.  

Did a different career for 5 years, went back and did CS business degree and had a very successful career in business software dev.  I pretty much quit giving a crap about hardware while mainframe programming for 13 years, because I was riding the fastest horse in the hardware world then, hardware not by me, but smokin hot MVS with serious capacity hardware for a many billions company and I focused on delivering high quality for my end users, and that went really well as I could actually communicate with them and deliver quickly and on target and with a low margin of error without 5 intermediaries like today's email writer management layers of bullshit overhead.

If ya saw no point, why did you reply? Did you read all my posts, or was it just time to be a dick to the new guy?
Ah! Greetings retired IBM-fanboi! In the IBM-universe I'm not a big MVS fan, I'm was more into running multiple copies of MFT or CMS under VM/370.

Let me start from the last paragraph. The reason I'm writing and responding to you is standard one for me: I know that for 1 poster here there are at least 10 readers who will read yours and mine posts with understanding. So when I'm personally addressing you (delicopsch56) it is more of a rhetorical device to address the plurality of you (named and unnamed readers of this thread).

In particular I'm writing for the benefit of young readers, who are still ahead in their life. They can still use their school time to "learn", not to "have fun". They can still avoid having "successful career" where maintaining employment was only possible with the help of regularly obliterating their own brain with alcohol (or other addictive substances or behaviors). I used to work in the entertainment industry and I can immediately recognize a bitter burnout. I've been on the meetings where people would small-talk about addiction rehab facilities like most of the employed people discuss vacation destinations.

There isn't much technical and mining-related to address in your reply. You've however very clearly and beautifully underlined the perils of technical fanboism. Most of the technical forums have fanboi discussion threads like Intel vs. AMD, ATI vs. NVidia, etc. delicopsch56 is an example of a dinosaur fanboi, from the days when various IBM-designed machines were bought under the assumption of "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". IBM may even had "fastest horse" trophy for awhile, they still sell them under "z/Arch" moniker, but lots of people got fired for continuing to "buy IBM" where different, better, cheaper, faster solutions were available.

The simplest, easiest way to avoid burnout and being perpetually perplexed is to keep your mind open. Even if you don't have time or money to pursue a formal degree you can still greatly benefit from clicking around the "See Also" links in Wikipedia. And when you choose to "have fun", choose the activities that do as little as possible damage to your brain.

I want to personally "thank you" to all those people who gave the similar advice when I was young student in school. You most likely won't read it. All I can do repay it is to repeat it in an updated way, with modifications to match the changed technological landscape.


Great point, not just about me.  To clarify I burnt out on CORPORATE IT.  I still love IT, but the corporate part was trying to kill that love, and my soul (or whatever)  Not really bitter, in 20/20 hindsight quitting jobs have been my best decisions ever.  I contracted for a while, and that was mostly great, but 2008 financial mess came along and I no longer had my pick of companies\jobs.  But life is change.

I'm not really a fanboi on anything, generally not an early adopter.  I like stuff that works, makes sense, has very few release bugs, and doesn't break easily.  Best tool for the job is my general strategy when I get to make the choice.

I did enjoy MVS, very much, but in hindsight the coolest thing to me about it was when they went OS/390, Z/OS, whatever with it, I don't remember how they did it exactly, but it impressed me.  I was busy working, but didn't have to change a thing, and like flipping on a light switch you could be in unix land if ya wanted.

Certainly some of the engineering school issues were my fault, but at that time they were just busy trying to push engineering cs people out the door due to high demand, and by the time I was done with my Bachelors business CS degree I realized the way that said education structure was structured prerequisite-wise didn't fit my learning style for sure (either track).  

IMO with the hindsight again they should teach Boolean logic in high school.  It ain't just for tech.  

Some days my mind is so open I don't get a thing done, prioritization is a must. Smiley

Thanks for the reply.


18  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why I think this world should end. on: May 10, 2017, 10:11:14 AM
OK chicken little, the sky isn't falling, and even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Either pull yourself out of your negative bs or you will just wallow in it and the world night as well be over for you.

Nobody is forcing you to be anything.



LOL.  Everything is a choice.  Nature and nurture is a bitch.  I get in those spots sometimes.  I get busy working myself outta them.  Life sucks AND is awesome.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Wolf's XMR/BCN/DSH CPUMiner - 2x speed compared to LucasJones' - NEW 06/20/2014 on: May 10, 2017, 10:06:13 AM

Iptables has a couple counterintuitive concepts that aren't flat apparent, reminds me of a crazy commission determination engine I worked on once.  I can't give you a better answer than that because I'm not highly knowledgeable about it myself and my unix machines are all fine now and it's been awhile since I had an iptables problem.  I **think** I solved my last issue by an answer at stackexchange.

You can keep digging at iptables via that suggestion and you may find your answer, but DDOS attack and protection is very hard even for the folks that are experts in that or can throw lots of money to those folks to help.  Honestly I'd start with switching VPS to one that provides DDOS as part of the package if I couldn't solve in a couple days.  Sometimes throwing money at it *IS* the best way to solve a problem.


I have a friend that manages linux but he does not know anything about mining and he tells me that he needs to know the port that the program uses input and output data so he can free the traffic in it ... I am gathering the maximum information Possible and passing to him and then see what you can try. The site that I'm using is easier and spends little to account for ... the others that have protection are more expensive and at the moment I'm in the test base trying to find a place to replace the amazon because the accounts do not last Nor 4 hours more or does not release limits. It just does not work anymore.

I try in stackwebsite ..... but if anyone else has an idea ....

*sorry fot my bad english. i use google translate to help me Cheesy

That's fine.  I'm understanding you ok.   If you really trust your friend and you believe he can solve, and there isn't a lot of risk, add him as admin temporarily and let him have a look.  You can change passwords, 2FA, etc after. 

Another alternative is to test small scale at another location you OWN, testbed, maybe at home, behind any decent recent router that can drop DOS attacks.  Change a bunch of stuff, different mining account, wallet, etc, for that and then you will possibly have more time for you and\or him to try to poke and prod at something that stays running without getting shut down real fast.

Baby steps.
20  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [SCAM] Foxminers? on: May 10, 2017, 09:44:07 AM
I don't want to dig much deeper, this old dog just flat didn't think about the multiple cpu\core overhead at all from a hardware design perspective.
Kinda noobie question, I'm still on board with SCAM SCAM SCAM but I don't follow processor dev for years, and I claim no EE,  I think I get the basics of tough miniaturization issue advances on these chips at a high level.
You may not like my answer, but I will be short and frank.

The primary reason has of your inability to understand has nothing to do with old age, not following the recent trends, etc.

You've simply received a horrible education and know nothing about the digital technology advances from made in the middle of 1950 decade.

You seem to only be aware of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture first published in 1945 and you seem to try to translate everything into it, even if clearly the implementation uses different conceptual model. Bitcoin mining is a perfect example of problem better handled by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mealy_machine (from 1955) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore_machine (from 1956). Any discussion involving concepts like: caches, branches, CPU, I/O, threads, cores, etc. only shows that the person writing it doesn't know the technological advances from the middle of the previous century. In my school these are discussed in the 2nd or 3rd semester of education, literally during couple of of first lectures in the digital logic design (both theory and lab practice)

The primary advances in the power efficiency of the Bitcoin miner were:

1) to implement it as fixed program Moore machine on an FPGA. The FPGA device is itself reprogrammable, so it is still wasteful
2) to have the same fixed program Moore machine implemented without the waste of supporting reprogramming and take advantage of the fact that Bitcoin's 2*SHA256 is essentially self-testing, so even the standard chip-testing circuitry is not required.

Personally, I see no point of discussing advanced electrical engineering stuff without understanding of the basics.

When I was in school it was a common understanding that students with absolutely no contact with any computer are doing noticeably better than students who gained experience of computers via some horrible "home computers" programmed in BASIC with plentitude of GOTOs. There was this seminal paper "GOTO Considered Harmful" written in 1968 by Edseger Dijkstra and published same year by the Communications of the ACM.

I presume that you (and other otherwise educated people) suffer from some version of the above problem: lack of proper basic education in computer architecture. Sometimes I wonder how those people graduated with any real degree (not from a degree mill). But then I have to remind myself that nowadays there are plenty of accredited, real "humanistic/psychological/human-oriented" educational institutions that do grant real degrees.


Don't mind MOST OF your reply much, actually.  No, I didn't have a horrible education, I opted out of CS in engineering school because I was cognizant that I was hitting a wall in hard engineering and wasn't trying hard enough in digital design, physics, calculus, etc, too busy having fun, and I had no $.  Reality check, almost everyone does hit a wall at some point where they realize they are just faking it if they continue to try to advance, learning how to do it pretty well but have stopped total comprehension.  

Did a different career for 5 years, went back and did CS business degree and had a very successful career in business software dev.  I pretty much quit giving a crap about hardware while mainframe programming for 13 years, because I was riding the fastest horse in the hardware world then, hardware not by me, but smokin hot MVS with serious capacity hardware for a many billions company and I focused on delivering high quality for my end users, and that went really well as I could actually communicate with them and deliver quickly and on target and with a low margin of error without 5 intermediaries like today's email writer management layers of bullshit overhead.

If ya saw no point, why did you reply? Did you read all my posts, or was it just time to be a dick to the new guy?



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