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1  Other / Meta / Re: LoyceV's deMerit source application on: Today at 10:14:36 AM
Anyway, good luck convincing theymos for this.  Grin That seems not to be an easy task in such cases.
Don't worry about it, I'm in no rush, and I have hundreds if not thousands of spammers helping me to convince theymos Cheesy

You should probably be in no rush because even after having thousands of spammers, it would still take some time to convince theymos to take a step ahead  Grin Be patient, and let the spammers do their convincing work.  Grin


I think it is better to make the 1 merit requirement a tougher one.

It is already tough for the ones who have no support to push them ahead, and the excessive amount of posts regarding this and the efforts of getting a Merit by creating threads in Meta has already proved that.
It would be too much to ask the genuine users to wait too long to rank up just one step. So it is much better to just keep demoting the one's who don't deserve to rank up and let the ones who deserve it keep going ahead.
2  Other / Meta / Re: LoyceV's deMerit source application on: Today at 10:01:04 AM
I like this idea as well.
And, maybe you could open a thread somewhere (Once your application is approved) where people can contribute their part in this by posting proofs about users who are abusing the system and deserve to be deMerited. I would probably report anyone receiving Merits without any efforts and then you may take back the Merits and send them back to where they should be.

Anyway, good luck convincing theymos for this.  Grin That seems not to be an easy task in such cases.
3  Other / Meta / Re: sensible content,valuable post and innovative posts results to merits on: Today at 09:42:22 AM
Dear OP,
Thank you for wasting some of my time for making me read this post of yours. I wish you had read the rules before even trying to make a thread to earn Merits and continue your business. But unfortunately, you didn't. Thus, I'm just gonna have to report you for breaking this rule:

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32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

Here:




Regards.



some readers are been rude that's why i had to reply there posts.

You can reply to as many posts as you want in a single post, just like how I'm doing here. You don't need to make multiples posts in a row to reply each one of them. This shows that you have never read the rules after joining the forum, and you don't really care about them.
4  Other / Meta / Re: Oh! Xandry , you are leading the wrong list on: Today at 09:23:08 AM
I totally understand that anyone can get mistaken and Merit plagiarized posts and then later may find out it was not originally written by the OP, but I'm really surprised after seeing this:


Xandry had Merited almost every single post of this guy that got deleted later on. And, the time-frame between those Merits is even more surprising. I don't mean to blame him either, but people should probably be careful for these things if they are doing them by mistake.
5  Other / Meta / Re: A Copper membership needs signature reductions on: September 19, 2018, 06:46:39 PM
He should stop selling them immediately, then reissue a new paid membership that gives advantages actual contributors will want.

Or, he should simply modify it a little bit.

Since it is required to earn 1 Merit to rank up to Jr. member now, and then only you will be able to wear signatures, so maybe he could make it like, if a user buys Copper Membership when he is a Newbie, he would still not be able to wear a signature unless he manages to earn 1 Merit and rank up to Jr. member, but he would only have the ability to post images by buying Copper Membership. Once reaches Jr. member, he would have the same abilities of a Member in his signature as well just like how Copper Membership offers it.

This way, the users that are Newbies and are buying Copper Membership only to be able to wear signatures won't be able to do it anymore, and the Copper Membership would still serve its purpose.
6  Other / Meta / Re: A Copper membership needs signature reductions on: September 19, 2018, 05:57:49 PM
Campaign managers should avoid accepting users who can wear their signature only because they have bought Copper Membership but are not in the actual rank that should make them able to wear it. If a Campaign (Signature/Bounty) starts to accept users with Copper Membership only because they can wear the signature then the recent Newbie and Jr. member restrictions are going to be useless.
7  Other / Meta / Re: Does the signature campaign accept copper members? on: September 19, 2018, 05:15:03 PM
I would have given you the Merit required to rank up, but I didn't really see you making any efforts for it in your post history, except for the fact that you are agreeing with the system. It is sad that you had to spend your money for it, but I wish you had spent some of your time instead in trying to understand what is going on around and improve your habits in the forum, but you are committing yourself that you are a hunter and that is what you are here for.

And I think, Copper Membership can only lift a few account related restrictions but doesn't make you able to join Signature Campaigns that do not accept users of your rank.


Take a look at my further history. Before I was just a hunter. Anyway thank you

I did, but unfortunately, I found nothing else than Bounty reports and one/two liners in different Alternative Cryptocurrencies boards. None of these make you worthy for what I wish I could give you. But, it's still not over. Better late than never, you know? You should start reading around and learn a few things, like the rules first of all, and then the stickies that carry almost everything you need to know about posting, improvements, the questions you might have in mind and everything. Once you do that, you will definitely face no problems.
Remember, you can still be a part of Bounties if you are a good user. A bounty participant doesn't always have to be a bad/spammy user, nor a good user always have to stay out of them. They are just bonuses that you can have once you are worthy of them.
8  Other / Meta / Re: Signature Probation: Newbie-friendly alternative to Jr. Member Merit requirement on: September 19, 2018, 04:47:30 PM
this does discriminate new honest users more than it is necessary.

No, it doesn't.

A user needs 30 activity points, which is 42 days of posting (since activity points are added after every 2 weeks. So 14+14=28 but the requirement is 30 so the user needs to wait for 14 more days to reach it, so 28+14=42) and 1 Merit to rank up to Jr. member. So, if a user, who is so honest that he hasn't even heard about the bounties and stuff and has joined the forum to only learn about cryptocurrencies and their ecosystems and all, and take part in serious discussions without his involvement in anything that happens in Bounties (Altcoins) section, he should probably be able to make at least a few posts that would show his abilities and that he is honest to the forum and its cause. If he does that, he won't face any discrimination and will simply keep growing up without any hurdles. But, if a user who joins the forum, with the only intention to hunt tokens and earn money for doing nothing else than being a crap, he doesn't deserve to rank up and keep doing that.

Besides, it is not a really big deal to not wear a signature for only a month or so if you know that you have the ability to earn a Merit and rank up after that. Honest users would/should understand the reason behind this restriction, and don't feel discriminated.
9  Economy / Economics / Re: We can totally eradicate poverty if we TRULY want to. on: September 19, 2018, 04:20:30 PM
So many people are interested in amassing wealth without giving a dime to the less privilege around them, yet they will still be among the first to criticize the government in its failure to eradicate hunger and poverty in the country.

No matter how much you provide for the needy around you, but you cannot finish their poverty as long as the government is not doing something for that. If the government is not doing anything to provide them an opportunity to work (unless they are handicaps) and earn for themselves, it deserves to be blamed for it.

If you are lucky to be wealthy, you should see it as a social responsibility to help the less privileged people in the society.

Not everyone get their wealth out of luck. Maybe a few get lucky enough to earn a lot of money in a very short period of time, or some may get it as an inheritance from their ancestors, but the majority of the people having a lot of wealth are the ones who have seen hardships in their lives as well but they came out the other side with a better lifestyle, and that's because they worked hard. And to be honest, the ones who get their wealth by luck, would rarely understand the situation of a person in need while if someone's wealth is hard-earned, he would definitely understand that without even saying.

do you feel comfortable driving past several beggars on the street when you have billions of money in your account that you or your entire family may not be able to exhaust in the next 100 years?

Though giving money to the homeless and needy people is a good deed, but that would absolutely not eradicate poverty, not at all. Passing by such people and giving them money, food, supplies or anything every day would simply give them enough for the day, but that wouldn't finish their poverty. As long as they don't get a source of income for themselves, they won't be stable, and that is what people or the governments should be looking forward to do. Only distributing wealth won't make the world a better place for the less privileged unless you provide them with a source of earning it of their own.
10  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Demoted from Jr. Member to Newbie? Read here first. on: September 18, 2018, 08:47:49 PM
And for those of us that have merits to send, please keep this in mind:

You may not agree with everything someone says, but try to look into the effort behind the posts. It will encourage those who are at least trying to make decent posts to continue posting in the future. Spend some time in the patrol section and look for posts to give merit to.

And, check the post history of someone who hasn't got a single Merit yet but has written something very good. Such users mostly plagiarize from other posts or simply copy/paste things from outer sources.





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32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

@philipma1957, you, being a Legendary member, and a now a Merit source too, should know the basic rules of the forum and try not to go against them, and break them. You now have the responsibility to promote new users as you have the power of a source, so maybe you should be a little bit more careful with these things because younger members usually take motivations from higher rank users of the forum, and it won't be a good impression on them.
11  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bounty for dummies, my experience on: September 18, 2018, 08:01:59 PM
I wonder why you have never got any Merit even after writing such big posts.
Oh, yes! It is not about the length, but it is about the point you are conveying through your post, and if what you convey has nothing useful, it is not needed, no matter how long it is.
Learn to be constructive and give out the things that the community needs to know. And then writing articles as big as this one might benefit you as well and earn you a Merit or two.


For sure you are right, but i don't think that this post is big..

It's big enough, IMO.
12  Other / Meta / Re: To all higher ranked members here on: September 18, 2018, 02:56:20 PM
Why only newbies and Jr Members has to suffer each and every time?

Not all of them suffer from something like this. I was a Newbie at the time Merit system was introduced, and I never felt like suffering because of that. You only suffer if you don't have what it takes, and that is because of your own inabilities. You cannot blame the system for that.

So before merit system people who are legendary right now, got into that position by their quality of post ? No right? They might have spammed too to get into member,Hero member and legendary.So why no action on them ?

Not every one have gotten into higher positions because of the post quality in past, and each and every step being taken right now are the consequences of those things. If there was no spam, account farming or anything like that in past, there wouldn't have been anything to stop it, like the Merit system and now this, but it happened, and to tackle that, the community had to do something and so they did.
Besides, even if there was no spam in past and no system like this until now, I'm sure they would have been implemented later in future, seeing the current situation of the forum.

Moreover being a newbie or Jr Member if someone post a constructively no one bats an eye here to give merit.But being a hero member or legendary member when someone posts everyone loses their mind and someone gonna merit it.

Again, if that was true, I and many other users wouldn't have been able to earn any, and remain Newbies until now, like many of you. There is no partiality in the eyes of anyone in the forum, but you need to show them that you are worthy of it.

Last thing let's start with a polling mechanism here before you guys take any random decisions like this and ask participants to adhere on it

Yeah, so that you guys can outrun us by 1/1000 votes on every 1% counted.  Roll Eyes That really sounds like a good idea to me. theymos should probably try something like this next time when he is doing something to prevent spam or something. I mean, it isn't a bad idea to have a poll among the workers of a company before firing them (because they have been constantly ruining the reputation of it) and act according the results of that. Is it?  Roll Eyes

if bitcoin is decentralized why not Bitcointalk ?

Because Bitcoin doesn't need moderation, and Bitcointalk does (?).  Roll Eyes
13  Other / Meta / Re: Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements on: September 18, 2018, 02:26:26 PM
I'm very disappointed

You have every right to be. At the end of the day, this has stopped you from earning free money. And who wants that chance to be taken away from them, huh?

but hope you give a chance the new member here to give a chance to remain the JR member

You have a chance to remain a Jr. member, only if you can earn just 1 Merit with your posts, which doesn't seem to be a very tough task, though it might be one for you.

there is no schedule to tell that we got new rule added coming up even a date that tell to all member they got a new rules for all jr.member that we need at-least 1 merit to rank up in jr.member.

Would you have left your bounty hunting tasks and start working on this if you were notified for the change that you are gonna need 1 Merit to be a Jr. member in future? I doubt it. And if you would do this in that case, you can do it now as well, only if you have the ability to achieve what it takes.

Now what damage to the bounty campaign will reflected to the jr.member who already participate in campaign it will be not counted any state or not ? so sad Sad

This doesn't damage any bounties, it only damages the hunters, who have made this forum a marketplace for getting money for doing nothing. Such people (including you) should either start dedicating some of your time to the forum, or simply leave it and find another job (I assume that's what you people take it as).
14  Other / Meta / Re: Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements on: September 17, 2018, 02:12:57 PM
Oh! Theymos, is it April 1st already?  Grin

These changes have been in discussions for a very long time now. I assume you haven't been a part of them since you think it can be a joke, but in reality, the forum has become a joke for the last couple of years because of the vast majority of spambeasts who are right now busy whining and crying by creating useless and repetitive threads in Meta just because they have been demoted and would require Merit to get their rank again and be able to wear signatures so that they can start their bounty business again.

In a few weeks from now, we are surely going to see a very large amount of spammers leaving the forum because they won't be able to do what they have been here for, and that would be a very pleasing time for a lot of us. I know, that some of them might bypass this assuming they might have other accounts to fill up the need of their lower rank accounts, but most of them will surely get tired of trying and run away, because I don't really think they would be able to earn any Merits since all they have been doing was posting crap and hunting bounties, none of which must have given them any knowledge at all which is what's required to be constructive.
15  Other / Meta / Re: Please can we consolidate all the new ranking threads on: September 17, 2018, 01:51:22 PM
This is like Merit in February all over again Sad

Exactly! And it will keep going for a few days/weeks/months until they get tired and start leaving one by one, or to find some illegal way of getting a Merit to rank up. We're gonna have a Show again that none of us are gonna like, but we will still have to watch it till the end. Poor us!  Sad
16  Other / Meta / Re: Please can we consolidate all the new ranking threads on: September 17, 2018, 11:01:12 AM
This is getting to be an urgent requirement. Alternatively, should we just report all the threads for deletion by mods?

That's only what we can do. This is what happens every time when some new restriction is implemented that irritates the large community of spammers and they just start either trying to get passed the restriction or simply post rubbish or repetitive things to annoy the mods and other users.

Maybe theymos should've assigned some new mods along with the 36 new Merit Sources to have the situation, that we are gonna face for some time now, a bit in control.
17  Other / Meta / Re: Can We Have A Thread Dedicated For Newbie Account Review for Merits? on: September 17, 2018, 10:41:42 AM
There is no need for that. Deserving members would eventually get there if they keep visiting the threads they should and avoid posting only in SMTs (Spam Mega Threads) which would never ever get anyone a single Merit even if they keep posting so many decent posts in there. If people think they cannot keep up with the quality required to rank up, then they simply don't deserve to rank up at all. But if they can make up their minds to dedicate some of their time into their posting routine, they won't really need any reviews to their profiles in order to get Merits and rank up.

Remember; the changes have only restricted the signature wearing ability of Newbies, not the posting. So constructiveness can still take them out of that well and show them the dawn if only they can do it.

Merit system helps those who help themselves.  Tongue

I know, the original saying is "God helps those who help themselves", but it just felt right to say it like that here  Grin
18  Other / Meta / Re: Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements on: September 17, 2018, 09:59:07 AM
I don't think that for the new members like the rules. After the forum becomes the most uncomfortable and the most controllable. It is, of course, good that now there will be no spam, but I think that it is necessary to adjust the rules.

What rules are you talking about?  Huh Why would new members not like the rules? Merit system is something beside the rules. It is just a system implemented to reduce spam and restrict useless users to rank up which is not something not to be liked by anyone if they are genuine users and are not bounty hunters and signature spammers.

Read the rules here if you haven't already. Seems like you have are comparing the systems to the rules, which are somehow different.
19  Other / Meta / Re: Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements on: September 17, 2018, 09:44:46 AM
Finally, something to back-up the Merit system a little bit. Those out-of-control spambeasts would now have no reason to keep doing what made the forum look extremely off-context. Eventhough they can possibly bypass this quite easily if one of their friends/relatives have some sMerits to give away, but that won't be the case for everyone, and it would definitely reduce the spam to a large extent.

Thank you hilariousandco for always saying this to be implemented though it took some time, and thank you theymos for finally implementing this.

I'm literally happy to see this happening!  Grin
20  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk.org YouTube channel? on: September 16, 2018, 03:27:59 PM
Although I think it is a good idea overall, but I totally agree with the people that are saying that it should not be a priority right now.
Seeing the current situation of the forum, I don't think it would be good to convert your complete focus to something else other than the present problems that need time and work. Leaving a job that needs more work and taking up another task in your hands seems utterly unprofessional to me.

Currently, we don't really need more good new users, but we need to get rid of the bad old users.
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