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281  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 03, 2017, 10:31:06 AM
An exceptional coin, I think BYTEBALL coin must to do a massive marketing strategy, there are opportunities to be number # 1. Dev., please do my advise. thanks

maybe coindesk articles?
282  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 03, 2017, 10:30:27 AM


i think at least byteball is much much better than Dogecoin.

we need wait patient.

our first target, let's hold the ball.
283  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: April 03, 2017, 10:13:03 AM
seems no one care about the real technology, they just care about the drama.


Drama is good it brings more popcorn, but we need proof and transparency when it comes to investment, will you be ok not knowing where are your BTC right now.

personally i am ok with that. but i agree with you we need more transparency on the fund and also the development work.



also check skycoin dev's post, which is very interesting:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380441.msg18426200#msg18426200

From skycoin dev

>1 Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

Ethereum is using an accounts model, like Ripple. Which is anti-blockchain and anti-privacy and very traceable. It is against the philosophy of Bitcoin.

All coins going forward will be on the UXTO model and it is best practice for blockchain. Moving turing complete smart contracts off of accounts model and onto UXTO is extremely important and that is what qtum appears to be doing.

We need to figure out how to do general computation on a UXTO model. Instead of being restrained to the Ripple/Ethereum accounts model.

I think they will get closer to the goal, but only get there part way
- thin client for smart contracts (major limitation for existing system)
- moving smart contracts onto UXTO (major milestone)

I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction. I talked to one of their technical leads and they were focused on "Getting it working with something we can do now" and then incremental improvement over time. So first implementing the Ethereum virtual machine on top of UXTO, then working out the research problems for a native turing complete UXTO language later.

I do not know if there is a way to full UXTO while still having "gas". I think you will need to get rid of the "gas". In the ethereum model to take full advantage. I do not know if qtum will be able to go far enough in doing that, but is heading in the correct direction.

Ethereum tries to be both a token and a computer.
- we started with pure tokens (Bitcoin)
- then we added a computer to the tokens (Ethereum)
- now we just trying to figure out how to build  pure computer on UXTO
- Then once we have the computer, the tokens or coins just become a program or entity running on this "distributed computer"

Bitcoin, Ethereum, qtum, byteballs, etc are just stepping stones. Towards a final solution. None of these will exist or be relevant in ten years. We are in an age of transition and I am looking at the projects that are getting closer to the goal, in a pure mathematical sense.

Even Skycoin is being ripped up and its foundations constantly rewritten when it is advantageous to do so. Bitcoin is static and relatively unchanging, while Ethereum has been able to get the community to accept constant small changes.

Skycoin is on a punctuated equilibrium model, where we do bug fixes and polishing, then completely rip up and rebuild the foundation as needed, then go back to bug fixes and polishing.

Right now, we are exploring new networking primitives and the advantage of immutable data structures, but are still on blockchain. Putting EVM on UXTO is heading towards immutable data structures from the perspective of computation, while we are heading towards immutable data structures from the path of consensus, networking and simplifying object synchronization protocols.

One of the pilots that is being spun out of that project is the distibuted, peer-to-peer social media platform built upon immutable data structures and peer-to-peer object replication. For this Skycoin chose a public key, cryptographic publisher/subscriber model and DAG immutable object tree. While Ethereum's project chose a Kadmelia DHT block storage model.

Ignoring the individuals and the drama, I am just looking at the "future direction" and who is heading in that direction.

>2  Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

I am not confident it will replace Ethereum. At the start, it will be equivalent to ethereum in terms of being able to run the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) on top of qtum with UXTO. Then they will do a native language.

It will depend on the implementation. I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction.

Similarly, Byteballs may fail or may not exist in ten years, but they are pioneering the first experiments into replacing the Blockchain with a DAG. Which we have been considering for several years now.

Similarly, Bitcoin was the first but people are getting used to the idea that it will not be the final or best cryptocurrency. That it was just the first generation and that we can build better and improve it substantially.

the link:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380441.msg18426200#msg18426200
284  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [SKY] Skycoin Launch Announcement on: April 03, 2017, 09:14:14 AM

ICO 10%
Selling too much, i remember the promise was 1%~3%

Skycoin mentioned that he would be monitoring the distribution very closely. It was meant to be sold in batches of 1% each, as price increases. But the total amount to be sold is 10 Mil or 10%.

so until all been sold out, no one can start trading?

also what's the plan for skynet?
285  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: April 03, 2017, 09:11:48 AM
will OKCOIN list Qtum?  Cheesy



One of our Angel Backers is the CEO of OKcoin, but there has been no discussions about them listing Qtum.

thank you for the answer.
286  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [SKY] Skycoin Launch Announcement on: April 03, 2017, 07:12:05 AM
https://www.c2cx.com/orders

why you choose c2cx ?

never heard about this exchange....
287  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [SKY] Skycoin Launch Announcement on: April 03, 2017, 07:08:24 AM
when the ico will end?

288  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 03, 2017, 07:03:30 AM
Seems byteball is the future of blockchain

check this thread:




>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

Ethereum is using an accounts model, like Ripple. Which is anti-blockchain and anti-privacy and very traceable. It is against the philosophy of Bitcoin.

All coins going forward will be on the UXTO model and it is best practice for blockchain. Moving turing complete smart contracts off of accounts model and onto UXTO is extremely important and that is what qtum appears to be doing.

We need to figure out how to do general computation on a UXTO model. Instead of being restrained to the Ripple/Ethereum accounts model.

I think they will get closer to the goal, but only get there part way
- thin client for smart contracts (major limitation for existing system)
- moving smart contracts onto UXTO (major milestone)

I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction. I talked to one of their technical leads and they were focused on "Getting it working with something we can do now" and then incremental improvement over time. So first implementing the Ethereum virtual machine on top of UXTO, then working out the research problems for a native turing complete UXTO language later.

I do not know if there is a way to full UXTO while still having "gas". I think you will need to get rid of the "gas". In the ethereum model to take full advantage. I do not know if qtum will be able to go far enough in doing that, but is heading in the correct direction.

Ethereum tries to be both a token and a computer.
- we started with pure tokens (Bitcoin)
- then we added a computer to the tokens (Ethereum)
- now we just trying to figure out how to build  pure computer on UXTO
- Then once we have the computer, the tokens or coins just become a program or entity running on this "distributed computer"

Bitcoin, Ethereum, qtum, byteballs, etc are just stepping stones. Towards a final solution. None of these will exist or be relevant in ten years. We are in an age of transition and I am looking at the projects that are getting closer to the goal, in a pure mathematical sense.

Even Skycoin is being ripped up and its foundations constantly rewritten when it is advantageous to do so. Bitcoin is static and relatively unchanging, while Ethereum has been able to get the community to accept constant small changes.

Skycoin is on a punctuated equilibrium model, where we do bug fixes and polishing, then completely rip up and rebuild the foundation as needed, then go back to bug fixes and polishing.

Right now, we are exploring new networking primitives and the advantage of immutable data structures, but are still on blockchain. Putting EVM on UXTO is heading towards immutable data structures from the perspective of computation, while we are heading towards immutable data structures from the path of consensus, networking and simplifying object synchronization protocols.

One of the pilots that is being spun out of that project is the distibuted, peer-to-peer social media platform built upon immutable data structures and peer-to-peer object replication. For this Skycoin chose a public key, cryptographic publisher/subscriber model and DAG immutable object tree. While Ethereum's project chose a Kadmelia DHT block storage model.

Ignoring the individuals and the drama, I am just looking at the "future direction" and who is heading in that direction.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

I am not confident it will replace Ethereum. At the start, it will be equivalent to ethereum in terms of being able to run the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) on top of qtum with UXTO. Then they will do a native language.

It will depend on the implementation. I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction.

Similarly, Byteballs may fail or may not exist in ten years, but they are pioneering the first experiments into replacing the Blockchain with a DAG. Which we have been considering for several years now.

Similarly, Bitcoin was the first but people are getting used to the idea that it will not be the final or best cryptocurrency. That it was just the first generation and that we can build better and improve it substantially.
289  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [SKY] Skycoin Launch Announcement on: April 03, 2017, 06:59:08 AM
Many of the people in the Bitcoin community are sociopaths. They often steal things or cause drama, then immediately blame it or scapegoat it on someone else. They are not even done stealing the money, before they go on campaign of moral indignation against the fall person.
Same is true for xtester.  Is he posting on his own initiative or is he part of the Skycoin team now?  Need to know how much hypocrisy we're gonna have to deal with here.

what's wrong with xtester?

xtester felt very comfortable claiming I was mentally ill for demanding I get back funds that were FUCKIN' STOLEN from me.  He is a NO-GOOD HYPOCRITE that thought he could play stupid about the whole incident until I made his stupid-ass CONFESS about his chit-chats with the embezzler!!!   Kiss


...I still don't have access to my funds while he continues to chit-chat...



hmmm more details?

290  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: April 03, 2017, 06:52:08 AM
seems no one care about the real technology, they just care about the drama.

291  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [SKY] Skycoin Launch Announcement on: April 03, 2017, 06:10:48 AM
so you are the community manager of skycoin?

292  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [SKY] Skycoin Launch Announcement on: April 03, 2017, 06:08:44 AM

- https://qtum.org

Qtum, will probably replace ethereum because it is simpler and has fewer problems. The UXTO model is much cleaner. They have a lot of previous developers and have already done two previous coins and are the best team I have seen so far.


I won't trust dev that promoting qtum-SCAM.....

I have not looked at qtum's code.

We know the qtum founder and he is one of the largest investors in Skycoin from four years ago, before qtum or any of this. Some of the people around him are legendary scammers, but he is not a scammer.

I think Patricks role in the bitbay situation is exaggerated. I read through the arguments and it just sounds like drama.

Many of the people in the Bitcoin community are sociopaths. They often steal things or cause drama, then immediately blame it or scapegoat it on someone else. They are not even done stealing the money, before they go on campaign of moral indignation against the fall person.

I think Patrick was blamed for Bitbay because his personality makes him an easy victim for sociopaths and the human predators in the bitcoin community. There are people walking around, sizing people up and trying to determine whether they can manipulate someone, setup a scam, steal things and who is going to be gullible or a fall person.

If you knew the people involved, you would understand what the social dynamic is.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

Ethereum is using an accounts model, like Ripple. Which is anti-blockchain and anti-privacy and very traceable. It is against the philosophy of Bitcoin.

All coins going forward will be on the UXTO model and it is best practice for blockchain. Moving turing complete smart contracts off of accounts model and onto UXTO is extremely important and that is what qtum appears to be doing.

We need to figure out how to do general computation on a UXTO model. Instead of being restrained to the Ripple/Ethereum accounts model.

I think they will get closer to the goal, but only get there part way
- thin client for smart contracts (major limitation for existing system)
- moving smart contracts onto UXTO (major milestone)

I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction. I talked to one of their technical leads and they were focused on "Getting it working with something we can do now" and then incremental improvement over time. So first implementing the Ethereum virtual machine on top of UXTO, then working out the research problems for a native turing complete UXTO language later.

I do not know if there is a way to full UXTO while still having "gas". I think you will need to get rid of the "gas". In the ethereum model to take full advantage. I do not know if qtum will be able to go far enough in doing that, but is heading in the correct direction.

Ethereum tries to be both a token and a computer.
- we started with pure tokens (Bitcoin)
- then we added a computer to the tokens (Ethereum)
- now we just trying to figure out how to build  pure computer on UXTO
- Then once we have the computer, the tokens or coins just become a program or entity running on this "distributed computer"

Bitcoin, Ethereum, qtum, byteballs, etc are just stepping stones. Towards a final solution. None of these will exist or be relevant in ten years. We are in an age of transition and I am looking at the projects that are getting closer to the goal, in a pure mathematical sense.

Even Skycoin is being ripped up and its foundations constantly rewritten when it is advantageous to do so. Bitcoin is static and relatively unchanging, while Ethereum has been able to get the community to accept constant small changes.

Skycoin is on a punctuated equilibrium model, where we do bug fixes and polishing, then completely rip up and rebuild the foundation as needed, then go back to bug fixes and polishing.

Right now, we are exploring new networking primitives and the advantage of immutable data structures, but are still on blockchain. Putting EVM on UXTO is heading towards immutable data structures from the perspective of computation, while we are heading towards immutable data structures from the path of consensus, networking and simplifying object synchronization protocols.

One of the pilots that is being spun out of that project is the distibuted, peer-to-peer social media platform built upon immutable data structures and peer-to-peer object replication. For this Skycoin chose a public key, cryptographic publisher/subscriber model and DAG immutable object tree. While Ethereum's project chose a Kadmelia DHT block storage model.

Ignoring the individuals and the drama, I am just looking at the "future direction" and who is heading in that direction.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

I am not confident it will replace Ethereum. At the start, it will be equivalent to ethereum in terms of being able to run the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) on top of qtum with UXTO. Then they will do a native language.

It will depend on the implementation. I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction.

Similarly, Byteballs may fail or may not exist in ten years, but they are pioneering the first experiments into replacing the Blockchain with a DAG. Which we have been considering for several years now.

Similarly, Bitcoin was the first but people are getting used to the idea that it will not be the final or best cryptocurrency. That it was just the first generation and that we can build better and improve it substantially.

Thank you I appreciate the response although I do not agree with your assessment of Dai or the BitBay situation and would argue the available evidence points towards Dai being the scammer, although I have to admit I do not know him or other parties involved personally. And I assume this means you believe David Zimbeck to be a liar and potentially the scammer in this situation? Doesn't it seem odd then that David was the one to continue working on BitBay after Dai left and funds disappeared?

I'm also still curious which two previous coins of Dai's/Qtum's you are referring too? Surely BitBay cannot be attributed to Dai no matter what your take on the BitBay situation is, he has not worked on the project for two years during which time the majority of the developement appears to have taken place.

And what is your take on Qtum's refusal to provide tx ids or addresses to prove ownership of the funds they claim to have raised during the ICO (~10 million in first 90 minutes, ~15 million total) and to allow investors to keep an eye on those funds themselves? This is a pretty standard thing to do, and given the added scrutiny and skepticism surrounding the project and the amount of money involved doesn't it seem odd they won't even respond to requests for this information?

Thanks for your time. And I am really interested in this project (and have been for some time) so I do appreciate these responses as this stuff with qtum is the first thing to make me have any doubts here and question investing.

you need grow up. Zimbeck said Dai is the only good guy in that project earlier, please check Zimbeck's thread. also what zimbeck bring to that shit project? a better GUI wallet. Also Zimbeck do not even know how to release a real coin and he claimed himself as the best developer, that's ridiculous!

another reason is zimbeck worked with some bad guys want to blackmail Qtum team some money, and they say no.   Smiley
293  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: April 03, 2017, 05:45:21 AM
Testnet 1.0.3 ist live.

Steps:

1. Delete the entire elastic_test_db/ folder. The old DB will fail!
2. Update to the current state: git stash; git pull
3. Compile: mvn clean compile package
4. Run: mvn exec:java


Now go ahead and destroy it!  Wink

thanks for the updates.

exciting about this decentralized computer.

it should be better than golem or any other decentralized project. Smiley
294  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 03, 2017, 05:41:59 AM
how many bitcoin been linked right now?

also maybe we should ask bittrex list byteball coin.

295  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: April 01, 2017, 11:18:14 AM
Has testing started ?

not yet, but hopefully will start soon.

 Smiley
296  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 01, 2017, 11:16:47 AM
still no big exchanges?

 Smiley
297  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 31, 2017, 04:00:32 AM
-snip-

I know a scam when I see one, and Qtum is not a scam  Grin

Nice try digging through my old posts, that shows how desperate you are to find something, yet you got nothing!

PS: Please try to lower the level of vulgarity in your posts, I don't know what you are trying to achieve by being so vulgar!

Okay, I'll lower the level of vulgarity for your baby ears, peepeeoverflow, who has mayonnaise dripping from chin supplied by Qtum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg15645296#msg15645296


Look familiar?

It's the following that got YIz so excited, gleaned from the OP of the same thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg15645173#msg15645173

Quote
Is time to present Opair, the definite crypto-platform for everyone. Our ambitions are very high. For starters, we want Opair to have a fair distribution, focusing on a mass market, developing progressive and real goals in a new platform coded from scratch inspired on Bitcoin and Ethereum to offer the best of both worlds with new developments to go a step forward into the future.
 
For now we are small group (three people working full-time, one external advisor and two freelancer developers) in charge of the project. Given the time we have been working on this and after looking for different ways to optimize and make more efficient the project we were able to put up a team which will help us to achieve our goals in the short term. We look forward to become the number one alternative for those who want to deviate from centralized systems by offering a platform that is focused on design and being user-friendly on one hand, and on the other that it allows to follow an upward learning curve. We are really excited with this project and the challenge that it presents itself.

We decided that Opair will also be our name, as it stands for Open and Fair which are the two key elements that we seek to fulfill:

Open Project: The code and our new language will be documented, open source and it will be found at Github.

Fair Distribution: We have been analyzing the last ICOīs and we realized that the distribution is not as fair as it should be. Most developers donīt distribute 100% of the coins and they keep a portion (%) in their hands as background/developer and bounty funds, so we want to highlight that 0% will be retained by us.

When Qtum is done sucking the community dry, it, too, will go where OPAIR is now -  bye-bye.

what's OPAIR?

tell me more Gleb.

Follow the link, brainiac.

hmm i think that has nothing to do with Qtum.

you are just too paranoia Gleb.

i think you need some good sleep man.

maybe go to see a doctor.

Yes, I need to see a doctor, while those kowtowing Team Qtum who can't provide one iota of proof via the blockchain are perfectly healthy. Fuckin madness!

i think you will not happy even they provide the transaction id.  Smiley

then i bet you will say it's insider buying for sure. Wink Cheesy

oh i think you can ask their exchange partners to offer the proof.

personally i do not think any exchange will fake any BTC or ETH, because they have to pay if they fake it.
but i know what you will say
298  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XEL] Elastic Project - The Decentralized Supercomputer on: March 29, 2017, 03:54:12 AM
Do early investors have their coins already? Is there another investment round coming?
Nope, no actual XEL or tokens representing XEL exist currently, so there isn't even otc trading.

is there any otc trading thread?

thank you

want to buy some xel.
299  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 29, 2017, 03:53:15 AM
why can not list byteball at bittrex?

or poloniex?

or some Chinese exchange platform?

this seems one of the most interesting technology this year.
300  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 29, 2017, 03:52:22 AM


that's byteball target soon.

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