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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 10, 2017, 09:15:21 PM
Lol the newbs on here are hilarious. WCX people already said they will release more information in time...

I advocate that they keep private key holders anonymous, it is best for security of the customer funds. As long as known escrow is used for ICO then that fine.
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 10, 2017, 06:42:04 AM


Keep this thread clear of childish FUD mate. If you have proof of wrongdoing sure say it - but don't speculate like a fool.
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 09, 2017, 07:29:42 PM
I advise you to wait for the finished product, at least the test version. The fact that the developers do not open wild data (even just photos of the office with coin symbols) is very disappointing.
Developers, I ask you to take a photo-video of your office, place of work, it will not be able to disclose your personal data in any way, but it will greatly increase the level of trust.
As I now see the situation, this can be a great project or a fraud (you have well advertised your activity, and now you have launched a preliminary purchase and nothing hinders you before the release of the test version, just a chasm with the money received on the initial purchase).
I await your thoughtful answer, I hope my question will not be ignored. Sorry for my bad english.

Please don't FUD. Take some time to go through the thread and if English is not your first language please find a local ann.

There is nothing in this project to fraud. The pre-sales are escrowed. and the ICO itself happen after exchange is ready... In fact personal data about devs are not even needed if they structure it this way. This is better for security, maybe people won't trust but in the long term much better for exchange security. but who knows maybe they will reveal all about them, I hope not , its better that private key holders remain non-public.

Seriously, enough with the FUD accusations.  People asking legitimate questions about the project is not FUD.

"There is nothing in this project to fraud. "  That is either a blatant lie or you are incredibly ignorant/naive.

"The pre-sales are escrowed"   Really?  With who?  Who gives me my money back if...if what are the terms of the escrow??

"In fact personal data about devs are not even needed if they structure it this way. This is better for security, "   No it's not better for security.   If the security of potentially billions of dollars rests on a couple of guys being anonymous, that's a HORRIFIC security flaw.   


Bro I've been in security since you were still swimming in your father's balls. It is clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

- Please explain how the fraud will work if 1) presales have escrow 2) exchange is launching BEFORE public ICO.

- It is 1000000x better for security not reveal private key holders. Tell me you know who Poloniex founders are? How long has Polo been running without incident? You reveal private key holders to the public, you put ALL customer funds at risk.

So I suggest you take a step back and use your brain for just 2 tiny seconds.

Also, what is with all the FUD. WCX has delivered on every single thing promised so far. The exchange launch and ICO are still far away, there is still time. I think they are just pacing. So stop being impatient and unless you have PROOF of any wrongdoing I suggest you eat a bloody hat.

Your dumb FUD is doing a disservice to all of us holding WCX.
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 09, 2017, 05:50:44 PM
@cryptocointrading

5,000 people in the beta they can raise $100M or more from that alone if other ICOs are any indication. also if you're planning to do the ICO just sign up for the beta or I'm pretty sure they 'll find a way to give you access to the exchange pre ICO.

pre-ICO is escrowed it's in the thread a hundred times please read

25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 09, 2017, 04:10:50 PM
I dont' see how posting photo or video of an office makes more trust...

Isn't it obvious? People want to see more than just simple website and bitcointalk thread to really trust the project is for real. It seems you are not aware how many scams have been recently in the blockchain space. It's just a common sense before investing money, instead of blindly believe everything without verification, don't you agree?

I mean that's the entire point of this project is you don't have to invest before seeing what they deliver because the exchange will live before the ICO. That's what make it a "real" investment case not like other ICOs who do promise, and that's it you gotta trust they will deliver some time in the future . I don't actually think any recent ICO has had any sizable impact or good product TBH apart from the speculation value of their token
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 09, 2017, 07:39:10 AM
I dont' see how posting photo or video of an office makes more trust...
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 09, 2017, 07:25:28 AM
I advise you to wait for the finished product, at least the test version. The fact that the developers do not open wild data (even just photos of the office with coin symbols) is very disappointing.
Developers, I ask you to take a photo-video of your office, place of work, it will not be able to disclose your personal data in any way, but it will greatly increase the level of trust.
As I now see the situation, this can be a great project or a fraud (you have well advertised your activity, and now you have launched a preliminary purchase and nothing hinders you before the release of the test version, just a chasm with the money received on the initial purchase).
I await your thoughtful answer, I hope my question will not be ignored. Sorry for my bad english.

Please don't FUD. Take some time to go through the thread and if English is not your first language please find a local ann.

There is nothing in this project to fraud. The pre-sales are escrowed. and the ICO itself happen after exchange is ready... In fact personal data about devs are not even needed if they structure it this way. This is better for security, maybe people won't trust but in the long term much better for exchange security. but who knows maybe they will reveal all about them, I hope not , its better that private key holders remain non-public.
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 09, 2017, 05:04:48 AM
When can you guys disclose your team members to the public?

They shouldn't if they are serious about security. Not the people holding private keys. This is an exchange business, so revealing private key holders, location, residence, or any other info puts the client funds at risk.
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 09, 2017, 04:35:20 AM

dear @wcxofficial The Brazilian Portuguese version of your whitepaper can definitely have some revision. some parts of it feels a bit as google translate (without plurals, etc...)
do you have any bounty for translation?
I'd more than happy to help if this is the case.

cheers.

We do - up to 500 WCX per translation depending on the amount of work on improvements. You can join our translation project here: https://poeditor.com/join/project/2v8VMUuNr4


tried to but it says that the project is already 100%, so I couldn't edit. but as I said, it countains a bunch of small language mistakes that would remove my confidence on baking the project if I didn't speak english...


100% complete languages can now be edited for improvement.

Done.
It was more work than I expected but it looks much better...
I suppose you have to approve, of course.
the Brazilian portuguese version got a really good upgrade now. Wink

the bounty will come to the same account I used for refferal?
should I contact you via email or here is fine?

thanks.

They prob need your email. they are hello [at] wcex.co
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 08, 2017, 10:22:12 PM


Lol. Referral program ended like a week ago, this was announced many times.

Also if you're Russian or something use the local thread.
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 07, 2017, 07:49:18 PM
@S.Naka

There are some newbies posting in the thread. I think its because WCX links from their site and emails to this thread so people just sign up and post.

As for me you can check my register date I've been around for long. Like many here I already own WCXT so if you're gonna come in new to this thread and FUD about us like a fool without reading the thread or whitepaper then yes I'm gonna call you out.

Concerning IDs please use your brain for 2 seconds or read my previous posts and answers on this issue (security), as I said it's been answered too many times already.
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 07, 2017, 04:57:25 PM
Very interesting:

Quote
Team. Our team comes from Apple, Deutsche Bank, and IBM, and has decades of experience in building secure, distributed, and massive-volume systems.

So, why do you hide yourself if you come from top rank companies? Could you add your linkedin profiles though? Otherwise, it is seems to be a scam.

This has been answered a trillion times. Read the thread. Main reason is private key and customer fund security. I don't know if they will reveal all identities but there is not upside in doing so, only downside because then private key holders are known and can be coerced or attacked, which puts customer funds at risk.

Also, there is no scam possibility for this project because the WCX exchange will be ready before the ICO. Unlike all other ICOs which make promises and no delivery of product in pre-ICO phases. Funds will be used for team growth, marketing, etc. to grow the exchange as laid out in whitepaper.

Again, read the thread, please don't bulge in here doing FUD and saying BS.
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 07, 2017, 03:59:24 PM
My bad. Was looking at another number. Seems odd people would but in money now without any details

What do you mean any details? There's the entire whitepaper laying out what WCX will do. This is investing, you're presented with a project and put your money at risk in expectation of a payoff.
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 07, 2017, 03:56:49 PM
No infos on the team posted yet? but you promised to the post info about the team last week.
Info on the team is the most important right now.

It's really not. As a security guy, I actually hope they don't post identifying info about the team, particularly private key holders. This would put future customer funds at risk. I've talked about this in detail in my previous posts.
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 07, 2017, 06:16:44 AM
Why are you only letting whales in first? What benefit is there?

20K usd is hardly whale... ICO price is 10 WCXT = 1 USD. If you buy in more than 250K WCXT now you get 15% discount, that's pre-ICO, nothing new.
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 07, 2017, 12:03:57 AM
when bounties are going to be released ? any specific day for that. WCX idea is good but only i can participate in bounties system no enough money for ICO . 

There's bounties for translations and/or for signing up on wcex.co. The first post has more detail.
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 05, 2017, 11:06:16 PM
@polkacoin the owner of poloniex is known and they are based in the United States. For not knowing this your spam to me now

Haha you actually believe Poloniex owner is that piano player Tristan? Based on his "linkedin" he is a 7 year piano player, 0 experience in developing software, or any expertise in security. Those piano skills sure have helped him run an exchange.

Sure based in the US, ever been to their headquarters? Address? You've played yourself. They're smart keeping things under wraps TBH. It works so far, they are largest exchange and never had a breach.

Obscurity plays a huge part in security.
38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 05, 2017, 09:24:53 PM
Read above I already answered. In exchange like WCX team members hold private key, so there is security risk in revealing ID. In Tezos ICO etc there is no risk for team members.

Does poloniex, Kraken, and other big exchanges have secret unnamed officers/devs (leadership with access to private keys?) and no safetey/security protocols other than not publicly naming the leadership with access?  Like thieves couldn't easily figure that out? "Hmm, who's there that isn't publicly listed..."

You say poloniex owners are not known.  Are the owners the ONLY ones with access to funds?  Really?  (also, they look to be having solvency problems, so yeah, it's good to be unknown'.)

Or, is what you're telling us is that WCX, that wants to do daily volume of $1B and more, has no security/saftey system in place and just hopes that those few unnamed guys lurking around the office (that everybody that works there knows) don't get mugged (or have heart attacks) at which point WCX loses billions of dollars worth of coins?

That's a terrible, terrible system if that's what you're arguing for.


Good so you agree they shouldn't reveal private key owners... It would indeed be fucking stupid. Yes Poloniex owners and leadership etc are not known, in fact nobody at Poloniex is known. I'm not saying WCX has to not reveal anyone, they can reveal parts of their team with no access to customer funds as I said in previous post.

The thing is we don't want or need to know who is holding private keys. We just want to know the team that is making the WCX exchange and their experience, past projects, what they have done before WCX etc. Like any investor before handing out the money.

As I explained before I think that would be really big security risk to reveal that, especially if they want to be global player long term, but I don't know maybe they will. In any case since the exchange will be ready before the ICO, so we can have the product, customers, traction, etc. to judge if you want to buy more into ICO.
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 05, 2017, 09:13:48 PM
Read above I already answered. In exchange like WCX team members hold private key, so there is security risk in revealing ID. In Tezos ICO etc there is no risk for team members.

Does poloniex, Kraken, and other big exchanges have secret unnamed officers/devs (leadership with access to private keys?) and no safetey/security protocols other than not publicly naming the leadership with access?  Like thieves couldn't easily figure that out? "Hmm, who's there that isn't publicly listed..."

You say poloniex owners are not known.  Are the owners the ONLY ones with access to funds?  Really?  (also, they look to be having solvency problems, so yeah, it's good to be unknown'.)

Or, is what you're telling us is that WCX, that wants to do daily volume of $1B and more, has no security/saftey system in place and just hopes that those few unnamed guys lurking around the office (that everybody that works there knows) don't get mugged (or have heart attacks) at which point WCX loses billions of dollars worth of coins?

That's a terrible, terrible system if that's what you're arguing for.


Good so you agree they shouldn't reveal private key owners... It would indeed be fucking stupid. Yes Poloniex owners and leadership etc are not known, in fact nobody at Poloniex is known. I'm not saying WCX has to not reveal anyone, they can reveal parts of their team with no access to customer funds as I said in previous post...

BUT that needs to be controlled as well because bad actors with knowledge of team/residences of team members can use those to get to private key holders, which again puts customer funds in danger. WCX wants to go very big, global exchange, security should be at forefront of their priorities, from the start. If they wanna do it right and be a big player on the long term. Security is tough tough business Smiley WCX on the right path so far IMO.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EXCHANGE] WCX – Low-Cost Crypto Exchange built by Apple & Wall St team on: August 05, 2017, 07:58:52 PM
If your developing an exchange it's of paramount importance that you identify your self and team with pictures and full names. Website looks thrown up pretty quickly and the white paper is mostly graphs. I hope the finished project has more care in it's development.

Disagree. Revealing IDs puts funds at risk. There are it seems more cons to revealing them than pros. Although I don't know if and when they will reveal them, it may be more cautious not to.

I think whitepaper and site are very well developed. Simple and they achieve what they need. The most important number is the number of signups which is 185,000 which proves what they're doing is working very well. Whitepaper is simple and to the point IMO and can be understood by everyone. No need for fluff where it doesnt need to be there.

Please enlighten us about these pros and cons you speak of. I love anonymous people in an unknown location handling my money.

Already answered this in previous posts.

pros = no security risk, anonymous private key holders mean your funds won't be targeted by potential kidnappings, threats against private key holders, etc.

How exactly does revealing identities help you in any way.

How did that help all the people who had money on Mt Gox? All the owners were known and the exchange went under and bankrupt and people lost money.

How did that help Bitfinex when they got hacked for $200M? Again all the owners were known.

There's not much upside to revealing who holds the private keys, it's mostly all downside. This is understandable from security perspective (I work in bank IT security). I think it's very smart decision to keep it hidden if they decide to do so.

Sure let them reveal some team members but don't make public known to everyone who holds the private keys, that would be fucking stupid. Look at poloniex they are largest crypto exchange by volume and owners are not known!! And not one single security breach. It's a smart choice.

Second, as you trade on ANY exchange, don't keep funds there all the time, this is just common sense. It's not a wallet. you deposit, you trade, you withdraw. very low risk in this case and knowing private key holders makes very little difference.

Third, WCX is compliant according to whitepaper. That is easily verifiable when they launch and which countries they serve. That means due diligence, etc. has been made by many parties, perhaps even governments, vendors, etc. and owners were revealed to them. They are just not publicizing - again, smart decision I think.

Where are they holding those priv keys? In their pockets? And someone will track and rob them? Lets be real please...

I just hope the devs will disclose the team before ICO starts like they promised.

Doesn't have to be in pocket, can be anywhere as long as location is known and that would make it a real risk. Also they will need access to cold storage from time to time to refill hot wallets I presume like every other exchange. So it's not gonna be in a mountain vault somewhere. Cryptocurrency is like a stash of cash.
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