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21  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [INA] [ANN] [TOKO] TOKOIN | Mempercepat Pertumbuhan UMKM di Pasar Berkembang | on: October 23, 2019, 08:13:21 AM
ane salut sama agan..agan tau semua tentang proyek ini,apakah agan anggota tim tokoin.
Saya yakin ketika Platftom UMKM terealisasi nanti akan banyak orang orang indonesia yang akan menggunakan platfrom UMKM karena akan sangat terbantu sekali baik itu pinjaman atau agen properti.tapi ane tertarik pada pinjaman,semoga cepat lauch agar saya bisa meminjam uang untuk bertrading
Kalau ingin meminjamkan uang tidak harus menunggu peluncuran aplikasi dari project ini gan, karena di tempat yang lain juga banyak, dan setiap peminjaman uang tentu ada aturan yang harus kita patuhi dan kalau agan meminjam uang untuk hal trading juga akan ada resiko yang harus agan tanggung.
Saya salu t dengan visi dan misi dari tokin dalam menerapkan keuntungan dan manfaat bagi masyarakat umumu tentunya, namun dari segi penerapannya apakah langsung bisa dimanfaatkan oleh masyarakat di sekitar kita yang pada umumnya tidak terlalu mengerti tentang dunia crypto, apalagi dengan menggunakan pinjaman dlam bentuk tokoin, bisa saja nanti harga lebih tinggi saat pengembalian.
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is BNB the Next Bitcoin? on: October 23, 2019, 07:34:12 AM
While the whole market of cryptocurrency has had a solid 2019, one coin specifically has triggered up to 300 percent gains since the beginning of the year. Binance Coin (BNB), the official currency of to the world's top ranked crypto exchange by volume, has outpaced both Bitcoin and the market with its huge increases in the course of the most recent month. Given how Binance Coin has, to some degree, taken over the market surge, Is BNB the new Bitcoin?
BNB coin is created by Binance owner and have many offer when listing on Binance, every month BNB coin always burn by the owner and look serious how to make BNB become most profitable altcoin at the future, I think BNB will be under bitcoin position in exchange market for next year and BNB have higher price.
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Energi's (NRG) charity, what do you think? on: October 22, 2019, 02:59:23 PM
Hello everyone,

Recently I saw that Energi (A top 100 coin on CoinMarketCap) has a charity connected with them called Energi Impact.

Currently they are focused on environmental aspects and also social impacts. They seem to be consistently beach cleaning, helping orphanages in Indonesia and recently they started a new campaign.

For every new follower on their Instagram throughout the month of October, they will plant a tree and if you share a certain post talking about their campaign, they will plant another tree as well. Currently according to their recent post, they have planted over 3,000 trees. If you want to get involved in the project and have them plant a tree for you giving them a follow, you can visit their Instagram profile on the link below.

They also have a Facebook an Twitter if you want to follow to keep up to date with them, but the above campaign is only for Instagram.

Facebook -
Twitter -

What do you think about a charity being connected to a coin?  Personally I think it's great as they are making an impact. There are very few coins / tokens that actually make a difference in the blockchain space, never mind in the world. On top of that, i've seen a lot of projects that are trying to improve the environment but have done nothing, Energi has planted 3,000 trees in one campaign, cleaning up beaches and helping orphans, I hope they continue to grow this part of their ecosystem.
I participated on airdrop with ENERGY for fourth rounds, I hope can be winner and earn NRG coin because have listing with big market and have higher price, now waiting for verification of KYC data before NRG team will distribution coin for every airdrop participants.
24  Economy / Economics / Re: Mining in the cloud vs simply buying bitcoin on: October 22, 2019, 02:37:49 PM
I think cloud mining in general is not profitable.

Here are my calculations for Mining Cloud vs Buying Bitcoin.

All following calculations are done on annual basis.

All following calculations are done WITHOUT halvings and adjustments counted until you read later down.

Hash rate (total hash power of the world) close to 49 Mil. Th/S as of today May 17, 2019.

Every hour gives the world 6 blocks, multiply that by x 24h x 365 days= 52,560 blocks produced in the world in 1 year.

Currently there are 12.5 bitcoin mined per each block x 52,560 blocks= 657,000 bitcoin can be mined per year in the world if no adjustments and halvings happened.

49 mil. Th : 657,000= about 75 TH/s to mine 1 bitcoin as it stands now, before counting adjustments and halvings.

Letís assume I bought 1 bitcoin today and paid about $7,200 (as of May 17, 2019) in a hope to sell it in 1 year at a higher price.

Now letís see what would happen if instead of buying 1 bitcoin I invested the same amount of money in cloud mining.

Typical contract from a firm like Genesis Mining offers 1TH at a rate of about $60 all-inclusive per year (May 17, 2019), and that's including maintenance and other fees.

For $7,200 I can buy about  120TH for 1 year term of cloud mining.

120Th : 75Th per 1 bitcoin= that should give us 1.6 bitcoin over 1 year period of contract for the price of $7,200.
1.6 bitcoin is obviously more then 1 bitcoin which I can buy today, so cloud mining is better, right?

I think NOT, because remember we have not counted difficulty adjustments and halvings yet.

Now letís do that, let's include them in the picture.

The next halving is in about 1 year,  so we donít have to take it into our example as the contract will be over by the time of halving, so for now we just have to worry about difficulty adjustments.

But from historic data I never seen those adjustments less then 100% year over year and usually itís even more.

So, in our example instead of 1.6 bitcoin, I am lucky if I get 0.8 bitcoin by the end of cloud mining contract.

Therefore, in my humble opinion, itís safer to buy bitcoin rather then mine one in the cloud.

Would you disagree? And if I am wrong where the flaw in the logic and/or calculation?

I will explain simple way for you how mining can earn altcoin and bitcoin, you have ready buy mining tools and electric cost every month depend on what kind or your mining tools, other way you have ready good internet access for mining, if you buy altcoin you just buy and save your altcoin assets waiting when price and you can sell it.
25  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: You own a decent amount of Bitcoin, How would you increase it on: October 22, 2019, 02:33:02 PM
I read about many so called Bitcoin Banks, Projects,  who promise you 3% interest annually, simply don't believe in holding your bitcoins in one place for such a long time.

So how would you increase your bitcoins?
i never interesting Bitcoin Banks because many reports say that Bitcoin Banks are more dominantly a scam. I only daily trading to get daily improvements, I use my bitcoin to trade every day. Even though the increase is small you get it but it is very effective in my personal opinion. and also I use my bitcoin to buy some altcoins that have the potential to increase and buy back for some time. and also I keep some altcoins in my hardware wallet while waiting for the moment to raise the altcoin to get more bitcoin Cool
Bitcoin bank is not safety for your investment assets, bank and government know how much money do you have and yo will be pay tax for government every year, why not save your bitcoin in offline or exchange wallet and your data is safety without know by government with how many bitcoin assets do you have.
26  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [Guide] Macam-Macam Wallet Cryptocurrency Serta Pro & Kontranya Untuk Pengguna on: October 22, 2019, 02:09:32 PM
Menurut saya file dengan isi data pribadi lebih aman di convert ke extension .rar dengan proteksi tambahan seperti memberikan password dan juga terlindungi daripada virus jika sudah merambah ke masuk ke sistem
Apakah cara yang agan sebutkan itu sudah terjamin tidak akan bisa ditembus oleh virus, yaitu dengan cara convert file ke rar.  Jika itu aman, sepertinya saya akan mencoba melakukannya gan. Tapi setidaknya saya ingin sedikit penjelasannya tentang itu.
Saya kurang yakin dengan langkah yang anda jelaskan bisa membantu akun atau wallet bitcoin kita lebih aman, setidaknya banyak sekali percobaan hacker terhadap akun exchange kita selama ini, jangankan akun pribadi bahkan wallet sekelas exchange market saja bisa dibobol oleh hacker apalagi wallet yang kita miliki hanya modal keamanan 2fa dan verifikasi nomor hp.
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: 🔵 [BOUNTY][NO KYC] 🔵 Agareum 🔵 Multiplayer gaming platform 🔵 on: October 22, 2019, 02:57:44 AM
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28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: My list of 5 Sleeping Giants of 2020 :) on: October 19, 2019, 12:47:14 AM
Those coins you mention ill think are worth to buy and holding for a long time, But i rather to choose BNB because this will have some history and a good value in the market. Maybe this will be a time for now to buy some BNB and holding it for a long time. Ill enough from BNB in a long time so that's why i choose BNB as my favorite coin right now.
I think BNB is not good to hold although for long time, look how higher price BNB last month raised to $40 and now BNB only $18, did  you agree not top altcoin are safe for your investment, just buy or sell your coin after get profit without hold for long time.
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Camouflage bounty manager? on: October 19, 2019, 12:35:09 AM
Man, theres definitally shady campaign managers, i have seen MANY scam accusations for managers over the years here.
im sure some of them work together to scam, yupp Sad
These forums have pretty established trusted managers tho, in todays crypto scene i would suggest only working with those dudes

The forums hold history,so scammy mangers cant erase any red trust, and if they are a newer account on here, i would not trust them personally

Looking history of bounty campaign manager is most important, we know how many success bounty and scam project running by him. I think success or not is not problem if they sent payment for bounty campaign according how the first time he said on bounty campaign tread.
30  Economy / Economics / Re: LESSONS FROM CRYPTO MARKET on: October 19, 2019, 12:18:36 AM
I feel sorry for beginners who came to the trading space directly to cryptocurrency market. I have learned my lesson for years in a stock market and still shocked about cryptocurrency price movements. In 2018, I learned a lot about blockchain technical stuff rather than technical analysis.

My advice to the young lads is to study macroeconomics and financial management before they invest a dime in any market.
Financial management have learn more before investing in crypto, we can't get correct prediction with bitcoin or altcoin become higher price, just take safety when get profit withdraw or save in your bitcoin wallet as your investment, never all in your money with crypto.
31  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Should move to BTC? on: October 19, 2019, 12:08:17 AM
There are two things that you should do. Its either to hold your xrp or sell it in exchange to bitcoin. Lets us discuss the first option.
1. Holding your xrp (dont sell)
If you are going to sell your xrp and eventually the price went up you will just regret it. As of this time if we are going to make a chart analysis xrp will not have an extreme bearish trend in the coming months thus its safe just to wait for it to go bullish.
2. Selling Xrp
If you sell xrp make sure that when you sell it in exchange to bitcoin you must only sell half of it or less. In this option if xrp goes up then you win and if bitcoin goes up you will still win. If one of them does not increase in value but the other one will goes up.

I will not be saying which one you will choose but Im saying its good that you read it at least you will have some idea on what to do.
You right if holding XRP when price up sell with bitcoin peer, not only XRP but also many altcoin top rank price still down like ethereum and bitcoin cash, not only except we hold our assets back to higher price.
32  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [Guide] Macam-Macam Wallet Cryptocurrency Serta Pro & Kontranya Untuk Pengguna on: October 18, 2019, 11:58:51 PM
Semua wallet dikembangkan dengan fokus pada keamanan dan sudah terbukti keamanannya. akan tetapi, keamanan dari wallet tersebut akan hilang apabila penggunanya melakukan kesalahan. Contoh, sudah install wallet di PC, tidak menyalin file wallet.dat di tempat lain, karena kesalahan, wallet itu pun ikut terformat, aset jadi hilang. Atau, kesalahan karena mengunjungi situs phising.
Tidak juga selalu kesalahan kepada pengunanya, bagaimana kegiatan hacked yang ditargetkan kepada aplikasi tersebut bukan karena pengguna? berarti kan kesalahan dari pihak ke-3 bukan kitanya. Seharusnya Cold Wallet bisa menjadi wallet yang paling aman kalau membaca dari definisi & keuntungan dari yang agan jelaskan, dikarenakan bisa digunakan dalam mode "offline" ketimbang "online".

Saya hanya bisa menyarankan PILIHLAH WALLET YANG SESUAI DENGAN TIPE ANDA jika memang akan sering bertransaksi, pilihlah mobile wallet, jika hanya ingin menyimpan bisa memilih paper wallet. Saya tidak bisa menentukan pilihan untuk Anda, karena Anda lah yang harus menentukan dan memilih wallet untuk kebutuhan Anda.
Jawabannya sama kek diatas yaitu "Cold Wallet" tapi kalau masih bersikekeh untuk menggunakan Hot Wallet atau Mobile Wallet. Carilah wallet yang bisa melakukan export private key dll ketika melakukan pembuatan walletnya, pastikan juga server/aplikasi tersebut tidak menyimpan hasil pembuatan wallet di server mereka. Jadi walaupun menggunakan aplikasi ke-3 kita masih mendapatkan "Hak Control" penuh terhadap wallet yang kita miliki.

Saya masih sebatas menggunakan wallet berbasis online seperti wallet exchange dan juga myetherwallet, kalau dari segi keamanan jauh lebih aman jika menggunakan wallet menggunakan soft ware seperti nano ledger dibandingkan dengan wallet online yang saya gunakan saat ini.
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34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: 🔥🔥🔥[BOUNTY][IEO] HiveNet - Distributed Cloud Computing (200k USD 6 weeks)🚀🚀 on: October 12, 2019, 06:46:00 PM
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35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Some IEOs could also turn out to be scam on: October 12, 2019, 06:41:00 PM
Almost IEO listed with big market is not scam, just have lower price under how price on IEO time, maybe can back to higher price than IEO and maybe can be lower than IEO, how team and owner of IEO want to see with their IEO coin, if want to higher price they re investing and buy back their IEO coin.
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Libra partner drop out on: October 12, 2019, 06:35:22 PM
One by one partner of Facebook Libra coin drop out and left Libra coin, why they left Libra with the same time? have Libra is not continue as cryptocurrency or how the future planning with Libra coin? after PayPal and now Master card have drop out from working with Libra coin.
37  Economy / Economics / Re: Mining in the cloud vs simply buying bitcoin on: October 12, 2019, 06:30:18 PM
What advantage of mining based on your mind? you want to get earning with bitcoin or altcoin from your mining tools every day? look ahead if you buy or invest your money in altcoin or bitcoin you can get much profit with short term, but mining you have waiting until back your money.
38  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 8 Ways to Make Money with Bitcoin in 2020 on: October 12, 2019, 06:24:53 PM
I disagree with your youtube channel earning bitcoin by gambling, my religion is not allowed earn money with gambling way, I keep away my self and my family from with gambling and I never joined bounty or airdrop have platform with gambling, with trading I never use and invest with gambling coin platform.
39  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Ethereum on: October 12, 2019, 06:17:54 PM
Untuk akhir tahun ini saya prediksi harga ethereum akan naik mencapai 5 jta per eth, sekarang harga eth sekitar 2,6 jta namun ada kemungkinan di akhir tahun biasanya altcoin dan bitcoin akan naik, dan harga eth juga akan ikut naik sampai 5 jta di akhir tahun ini.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: 🔥🔥🔥[BOUNTY][IEO] HiveNet - Distributed Cloud Computing (200k USD 6 weeks)🚀🚀 on: October 12, 2019, 06:14:18 PM
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