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701  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Regulations and the Future of DEXs on: November 10, 2018, 10:47:37 PM
Here's the million dollar questions. Does SEC has international jurisdiction to prosecute? Let say a citizen of Estonia or Malta or even Seychelles launches a DEX and doesn't block Americans from using it. Is the SEC going to have the creator extradited for persecution?
702  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: NELUNS: "$136MILLION" OF NOTHING: yet another ICO scam... on: November 10, 2018, 10:53:26 AM
Neluns can do no wrong - or there's no depth they wouldn't plummet too to get their scam under as many eyeballs as possible. They are now spam adding folks on their TG channel.
703  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Neluns - The Next Exit Scam after Raising Over $100 million? on: November 10, 2018, 10:51:47 AM
Surprise!
Said nobody.
Neluns promised to list on smaller exchanges this week and rattled off a series of names including Bancor, Yobit, and the likes.
Guess who got listed?
Not Neluns.
Admin's now saying says they will be announcing asap
Plus they are now spam adding followers
704  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Regulations and the Future of DEXs on: November 10, 2018, 10:48:58 AM
How to create a dex, remain anonymous and escape persecution, sounds like a job for an anonymous decentralised blockchain of some sort.
Most folks in crypto try to model themselves after Vitalik, Lee, and the likes (including McAfee). They've forgotten that Satoshi chose to remain anonymous from the get-go. You can innovate and disrupt without being targeted
705  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | STASH | Digital Money For Everyone on: November 09, 2018, 04:17:33 PM
Snapshot is now on the blockchain and for a few hours most were able to see their balance using the blockchain explorer. Explorer is down now for further testing. Will be back up shortly
706  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Regulations and the Future of DEXs on: November 09, 2018, 09:01:28 AM
With the SEC charging and fining the founder of Etherdelta for unregistered securities trading on the exchange (https://www.coindesk.com/expect-the-sec-to-target-more-token-exchanges-after-etherdelta/), seems like the SEC would rather go for the source of liquidity for unregistered securities rather than track down issuers. With well over 2000 cryptos in the market, makes sense to devote resources in collaring exchanges first (after identifying unregistered securities) rather than spreading themselves too thinly in the hunt for issuers.

So, what happens next?

1. Folks will flock to Malta to open their DEXs?
2. DEXs will issue "WE DON'T SERVE AMERICANS" notice?
3. Get IP restrictions and KYC like IDEX?
4. No orderbook like Airswap?
5. Or we just got sit tight with CEXs again?

 The times truly are changing
707  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Neluns - The Next Exit Scam after Raising Over $100 million? on: November 08, 2018, 11:18:51 AM
I thought this is the same NEL that Woshib before posted if i'm not mistaken. Then it rings a bell when I saw the manhattan fund article that they have raised more than $100m. This is really alarming if that many bump posts by newbies in their ANN have raised fake marketing for other new investors. Good thing we still have concerned members not just being blinded by the rewards of the bounty or any rewards campaign.
Unfortunately, we still have lots of blind members. A peak at their bounty channel revealed so many "Ooohs", "Aaaahs", and "Moons" because the admin posted the Binance application thing...
Then, there was this "encouraging" post by one of the admins Lee White (https://t.me/neluns_bounty/6027)

Guys, @alexajoan was an invited bounty manager on outsourcing from marketing company based in San Francisco. Her job is well done.
Now our CTO Darrell Martin is on duty of bounty manager till December 31. All questions about bounty campaign you can ask here in chat.

We’ve noticed some negative activity of bounty hunters who aren’t satisfied with our bounty campaign. We won’t give any comments about this stupid morons and haters. Neluns is the American Company and it contradicts to our policy. But we will definitely take into account all negative comments from bounty hunters when distribution begins and they won’t get NLS tokens because it brakes the rules of our bounty campaign.
Before you show off hate and write negative comments about our project turn on your brain and think about the consequences.


Yes... very professional and official to call folks stupid and morons on a public channel

Wow! Not just stupid but morons too 😂 Really professional... For goodness sake, they're acting like children and candies 🙄 Seriously this 👉 "But we will definitely take into account all negative comments from bounty hunters when distribution begins and they won’t get NLS tokens because it brakes the rules of our bounty campaign"? BRAKES really? Are you guys four wheeled horse drawn carriage or something.
No ma'am. They are THE AMERICAN COMPANY and we're obviously too dumb to figure out that they are THE AMERICAN COMPANY inspite of all the flag waving, themed accessories and apparels.
708  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Neluns - The Next Exit Scam after Raising Over $100 million? on: November 07, 2018, 10:47:59 PM
I thought this is the same NEL that Woshib before posted if i'm not mistaken. Then it rings a bell when I saw the manhattan fund article that they have raised more than $100m. This is really alarming if that many bump posts by newbies in their ANN have raised fake marketing for other new investors. Good thing we still have concerned members not just being blinded by the rewards of the bounty or any rewards campaign.
Unfortunately, we still have lots of blind members. A peak at their bounty channel revealed so many "Ooohs", "Aaaahs", and "Moons" because the admin posted the Binance application thing...
Then, there was this "encouraging" post by one of the admins Lee White (https://t.me/neluns_bounty/6027)

Guys, @alexajoan was an invited bounty manager on outsourcing from marketing company based in San Francisco. Her job is well done.
Now our CTO Darrell Martin is on duty of bounty manager till December 31. All questions about bounty campaign you can ask here in chat.

We’ve noticed some negative activity of bounty hunters who aren’t satisfied with our bounty campaign. We won’t give any comments about this stupid morons and haters. Neluns is the American Company and it contradicts to our policy. But we will definitely take into account all negative comments from bounty hunters when distribution begins and they won’t get NLS tokens because it brakes the rules of our bounty campaign.
Before you show off hate and write negative comments about our project turn on your brain and think about the consequences.


Yes... very professional and official to call folks stupid and morons on a public channel
709  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [POW] PERKLE - FAIR RELEASE SMART CONTRACT PLATFORM on: November 07, 2018, 04:48:34 PM
Is Perkle going to inherit Esprezzo's middleweight capabilities or have its own unique feature for blockchain interoperability?
710  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Sell bounty token at a loss? on: November 07, 2018, 01:55:09 PM
You invested the most valuable asset in the universe into it - time - and you want to sell at a loss? Before investing, didn't you read the WP, studied the roadmap, and check up on the team's credibility and ability to deliver?
Armed with all that, you invested your time with a fixed target in mind at what rate you expect it to grow to before selling off. Why sell-off before your target
711  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Neluns - The Next Exit Scam after Raising Over $100 million? on: November 07, 2018, 08:48:33 AM
Bothered by the bumps on their thread, artificial or maybe because of their bounty. I also hate the way they predict the token price and that "Binance Listing", they are also a security token but the fact that they just recently finish their ICO, I don't think that I could judge them as a scam on first glance. Many red flags which made me think that Investors must notice in the first place, whether that $136M collected funds is true when the hardcap is only $112M (Reference), I think I want to send regards to the investors for good luck.  Grin
I've been on the other end of a listing team. I know it's impossible for anybody to talk about any top 10 listing to the public once the NDA is signed and submitted - was even involved in one where the listing lead wouldn't even talk to us about the status because he didn't want to jeopardize (or encourage inside trading). But here's Neluns boldly declaring it. Are they related to CZ?
Then, you've got the nice chart about NLS token growth. Upward trajectory throughout 2019 to infinity

Guys, ToTheMoon!!! 🚀🚀🚀🚀💵💵💵💵💵💰💰💰💰💰🏦🏦🏦
Soon
On the Exchanges🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🏦💵💰



Such MOON!

We both no there's no such trajectory in crypto. You can't keep mooning for months unending. No force can guarantee that.

There's also a guaranteed dividend table

SCHEDULE OF DIVIDEND PAYMENTS ON 2019–2022

The Neluns Team is glad to introduce to you the schedule of dividend payments!

The benefits will be paid based on this plan. Congratulations, tokenholders and thank you for your support! You’ve made a right choice and we’ll not fail you!

Let’s become rich together!
https://neluns.io



...."Lets become rich together?" ... Are they not rich already with $130-something raised?

Also, all those american flags...


You don't have to feel offended that you've exposed a project that might turn out to be yet another scam from mother Russia.

There are more American flags used in this project than your typical pro-Trump supporter gathering:











https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTG-qV_AF4M
https://twitter.com/Darrellbit
https://twitter.com/NickNeluns
https://insee.me/m/1816167850693771572_7936761172


712  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: NELUNS: "$136MILLION" OF NOTHING: yet another ICO scam... on: November 06, 2018, 10:07:30 PM
I usually trust any match that is over 96%...hmm don't know about this one. Need to dig more images.



https://anaem.ru/photos/317000/316932/ajhikjot_av.jpg
The slopping of the lower lips and shape of the eyes are such uncanny match. Think we're starting to get somewhere.
Also, anybody's who has the time should go read some of Lee White's (one of their TG admin) posts and see if such a true-blooded English name could be capable of murdering their mother tongue... unless mother tongue is Mother Russia
713  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Neluns - The Next Exit Scam after Raising Over $100 million? on: November 06, 2018, 10:45:09 AM
And now, they've started deleting posts on their self-moderated thread. Anything critical of them or even those asking for clarifications are getting deleted by the dozens.
Yesterday's promised exchange failed to materialized.
The funny thing is they're now talking about listing on Yobit, Mercatox, Bancor - after previously claiming they cannot list their security tokens on ordinary exchanges
714  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Neluns - The Next Exit Scam after Raising Over $100 million? on: November 05, 2018, 05:39:09 PM
According to what I've been able to gather, the exchange listing that was promised to be announced today is yet to materialize. Also, bounty hunters are being threatened to have their rewards slashed for being "Stupid" and "Idiot".
Ok. Very corporate speak. very professional.
Bots are back on the ANN thread too
715  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Neluns - The Next Exit Scam? on: November 04, 2018, 10:24:46 PM
Neluns claims to be registered in NYC and SEC compliant. However, for such an "American" company, they seem to quite incapable of finding that one English dude to write their PR as exemplified here: https://medium.com/@iconeluns/the-manhattan-blockchain-fund-is-an-anchor-investor-of-neluns-b2d99656eb12
I believe most of ICOs are getting their threads hyped, even though it's against the rules. When I worked for one ICO, we had such offers regularly. Newbie activity costs the least, so this project probably didn't raise much money even if they are saying the opposite. As for English, I believe that projects can actually apply to SEC even if they are not registered in the US. After all, this is the most famous STO regulator in the world for now. The whole project doesn't look very nice to me, though, since it doesn't offer anything new.
The Russian article is pretty good in showing that the project is at least lying to people if not planning to dump everyone.

Not question the fact that they are bumping their thread. Thread bumping is an open secret on BTT. My worry comes from the fact that it's over two weeks since ICO ended and they're still bumping threads. To what end?
Add the amount they claimed to have raised and it becomes all the more worrisome that they need to bump their threads in the first place. Numerous ICOs have successfully raised a fraction of that without bumping. You don't raise over a hundred million without crossing a few oceans and knowing some highly-placed individuals. So why bump - using accounts that can barely string two words together. I'd assume as a financial company based in NYC, quality control will be of paramount importance in whatever service they choose to engage - including bumps and writers.
Apparently, not the case here. Not only are they shitposting, but their articles are also poorly written too. Makes you wondered what they submitted to the "SEC" or pitched to "VCs". To cap it off, they are security token, meaning no good listing anytime soon (they can always pin that on the SEC conveniently), or (and based on their "quality control" or lack of) get listed on some shit exchange and keep stumbling all over their roadmap.
Interesting times.
716  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Neluns - The Next Exit Scam after Raising Over $100 million? on: November 04, 2018, 05:28:15 PM
Neluns thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4694028.0 exhibits all the hallmarks of a botted thread with numerous newbie accounts raining platitude about the project, answering each other, and completely ignoring questions directed to them. But that's not the problem

Neluns claims to be registered in NYC and SEC compliant. However, for such an "American" company, they seem to quite incapable of finding that one English dude to write their PR as exemplified here: https://medium.com/@iconeluns/the-manhattan-blockchain-fund-is-an-anchor-investor-of-neluns-b2d99656eb12

Then, you've got the "Binance List in Progress" thingy on their site. Anybody who's been around long enough knows NDA prevents startups from naming exchanges they are in discussion with (at least the top 50), not to mention stamping it on their homepage.

Then you've got this Russian language investigation put together by a very astute and concerned community member: https://ttrcoin.com/threads/neluns-io-scam.2796/

Concerned by all these, I went into their TG channel to alert them to the concerns on BTT. Next thing I knew, I got the boot.
717  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Scam oyster PRL on: November 04, 2018, 11:42:43 AM
Yet another scam of the world crypto oyster is a scam ... the dev sold for $ 300,000 of Prl and ran away with the money ...

It's Sad for oyster Prl community that this thing happened, the Annonymous who take the money is the reason behind this, lesson learned don't trust an anonymous guy on cryptocurrency because there is a chance that someday they will run for the money

so, this is why PRL price was down harder,,

full explanations about this conditions of PRL now is on this article
https://medium.com/@bill_26126/oyster-update-b813390ce10e

and this is anothers bad news in crypto industry,
because, as i know so many people believe and interested with PRL,, but what happend with PRL now,,

Token swap, but that doesn't answer the question of what's going to happen to its potentials, ecosystem, and trust issues especially in light of less vulnerable competitors out there. Short of them announcing a partnership with Amazon, can't see them dispelling this within a year
718  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Substratum (SUB) suffers a similar vulnerability as the Oyster (PRL) scam on: November 04, 2018, 11:40:23 AM
Is it possible that these ICOs outsourced their smart contract creation to the same freelancer or just blatantly copied from the same source and hence the reason why they both have similiar vulnerabilities?
Don't know which scenario is more terrifying

Not in this case. Although the outcome from the two vulnerabilities is the same (i.e. having the ability to create as many new tokens as the owner wants out of thin air), the actual vulnerabilities, the code leading to said vulnerabilities, is quite different. If you have a look at my original post, you can see in the case of PRL it was due to "directorLock" never being set to true. This gave the anonymous scammer known as "Bruno" the ability to do anything to the smart contract. He could have completely erased the entire token if he wanted. Instead he started a new ICO, sold himself $300,000 worth of tokens for nothing, and then dumped these tokens on KuCoin. In the case of SUB, there is a function written in to the smart contract (again, see my first post) that allows the owner to "mint" tokens to any address - an even more efficient way of just creating tokens out of thin air.

This is not to say that there aren't other tokens out there suffering from similar or even the exact same vulnerabilities. It is absolutely possible these two and/or others have plagiarized from the same source or from each other. There are also many other ways you could rig a smart contract to allow you to exit scam.
Alright, I'll just come out and say it now because I'm righteously terrified now and paranoia in crypto is best asset out there. All I just need is a link to any literature that covers how to understand smart contract codes. Doesn't have to be in depth. Just a soft foundation to get a leg up (most of what I'm seeing seems to assume you can IF and ELSE already)
719  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] | STASH | Digital Money For Everyone on: November 03, 2018, 06:24:33 PM
Stash Admin Is there any specefic date for releasing Stash Wallet? or it will take time to make announcement related to Stash wallet.
I noticed that this team does not make forecasts, preferring to announce everything in fact. By this, I think that as soon as the wallet is released, we will immediately find out about it.
You're right about the not pre-announcing development. Nothing is set in stone and with new blockchain development you have to be extremely thorough. Nor having a fixed date hanging over one's head tends to help a lot
720  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Scam oyster PRL on: November 03, 2018, 04:48:12 PM
Yes, after such an incident, it's hard not to call such a project as PRL SCAM. There is no forgiveness for this team, because thousands of people invested in the project and lost money. They must be held criminally liable and reimburse all those who have suffered.
At this point in time, the question is no longer about forgiveness, but the incompetence of any member of their team to demonstrate any knowledge of just how damaging this vulnerability is, considering the fact that they were working with a faceless CEO.
It also shows that smart contract and disintermediation is just hype because someone will always own the key to unlock it all. The blockchain is just as centralized as the centralization we like throwing stones at
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