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July 18, 2015, 09:54:12 AM
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But for reasons that I cannot yet fathom, the GOP handed Obama all that he wanted with the "Corker-Cardin Bill".

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2015/04/corker-cardin-iran-bill-is-unconstitutional

Essentially, instead of such a treaty needing a 2/3rds Senate majority to be adopted, it is now Law unless the Senate can rally a super-majority of 67 to override a POTUS signature. Meaning all it takes now is POTUS and 34 Senators to make such law.

This was heralded as a mistake by many Conservatives, and a violation of the Constitution, when passed by the Senate. I cannot make sense of it from a GOP point of view. But they did it !! Was this to set up the Dems in 2016 ? 12 Dem Senators will be able to vote against Obama on this, preserving some notion of being pro-Israel, yet still have it be law. Hard to find a favorable political angle for what the GOP did. They gave Obama a blank check on this deal.
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July 18, 2015, 10:20:01 AM
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The ignorance in this thread is appalling. I am not too politically vocal but this requires response.

The world is changing, American hegemony is stalling while other powers are growing. More and more countries are turning to alternative solutions that are not under 'murican control. As if this is not dangerous enough to the "Full Spectrum Dominance" doctrine, European "allies" of the U.S are beginning to lean towards the "Multi Polar Ideal".

Obama sees this in ways you plebs can't. He is the one who goes to meetings and has phone conversations with other leaders and he feels the cold shoulder. He sees his ideas and suggestions getting sidelined in favour of others', he's the one who gets briefs that forecast the shrinking of American influence in the world and why it is happening.

Already on a military front we see Eastern nations coming together to form their own mutual defense pacts, increasing cooperation between India , Russia and China to name a few. On a Financial front we see more cooperation, from Brics, the new trade agreements in Africa , increasing reliance on China by some of the worlds economic powerhouses. Let's not forget the egg on the American leadership's faces over the AIIB after their "partners" jumped ship and lined up to join.

If there is a man that deserves respect it's Obama, right now he is trying to save his country from the militaristic hawks, from the ill advised narrow minded members of the political elite who do not see the big picture. If the Americans scuttle this agreement , it will not be seen as being in the world's best interest, it will be seen as Americans trying to impose their will on others and the other powers in these negotiations will not follow suit.

Americans talk about bombing Iran.....can you afford another war in the east? Your economy is barely afloat and they have to keep making course corrections along the way....will you be able to sustain a war effort again? And don't just think that it is as simple as dropping a few bombs and destroying a few facilities...Iran will respond, in whatever means are available to them, what if they do have the bomb...hell, even just a dirty bomb. The consequences of war are unknown in scope but it is clear that it will just entail suffering for the innocent.

I am not siding with Iran, i am siding with peace, hell if they break the conditions of the agreement I'll sign any and every letter to Downing supporting reinstatement of sanctions plus bonus additions. You speak of what you Americans are losing in this deal....let's talk about your gains.

In one deal you guys have gained back a major portion of your legitimacy on the global podium that you lost in your stupid Afgan and Iraq wars, you can now start repairing the damage of your actions in Libya and your missteps in Ukraine. (Remember being left out of the second agreement?)

For those who still think sanctions are the best idea....do you think they will work without the support of the rest of us. You may be the largest economy, but you are still just one country, without our cooperation your sanctions will become meaningless. Iran is not Cuba, it's very far away in it's own region with different friends and enemies, different needs and wants...U.S sanctions alone would only serve to alienate your peoples further, much as they have done with every other nation you have sanctioned arbitrarily.

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