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April 02, 2015, 05:40:59 PM
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It can be even stronger than crystal meth or bath salts



It’s effects can be as potent as crystal meth, bath salts or cocaine. It causes people to act erratically, uncontrollably and dangerously. It’s called flakka, and it’s the new designer drug hitting the streets of Florida.

In recent weeks in Florida, this new drug has led to a man trying to break down the door to a police station, a man impaling himself while trying to scale a fence, and an armed and naked man shouting about hallucinations from a rooftop, CBS reports.

The health effects of taking flakka, which can be injected, snorted, smoked or swallowed, can be dire.

“We’re starting to see a rash of cases of a syndrome referred to as excited delirium,” Jim Hall, an epidemiologist at the Center for Applied Research on Substance Use and Health Disparities at Nova Southeastern University, told CBS. “This is where the body goes into hyperthermia, generally a temperature of 105 degrees. The individual becomes psychotic, they often rip off their clothes and run out into the street violently and have an adrenaline-like strength and police are called and it takes four or five officers to restrain them. Then once they are restrained, if they don’t receive immediate medical attention they can die.”

Flakka is usually made from the chemical alpha-PVP, a synthetic version of the stimulant cathinone, the same class of chemical used to make bath salts, a drug that rose to national prominence in 2012 during a high-profile case of one man chewing another’s face while high on the drug.

“On a scale of one to 10, Flakka is a 12,” Lt. Dan Zsido of the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office told 10 News Tampa Bay Sarasota. “It comes from a place where we don’t know how it’s being made, who’s making it, and what’s been added to it before it reaches the end user so it’s very dangerous.”


http://time.com/3768667/flakka-drug-florida/

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April 02, 2015, 06:52:42 PM
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yet another method to throw away your lives. I don't understand why these people are so quick to jump on something that they know would kill them sooner or later.

I can only hope that the authorities track it down to where it came from before this drug spread to other cities...
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April 02, 2015, 07:22:42 PM
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yet another method to throw away your lives. I don't understand why these people are so quick to jump on something that they know would kill them sooner or later.

I can only hope that the authorities track it down to where it came from before this drug spread to other cities...


Life, the way it is, is such an amazing drug (good and bad) already...

At least it is not the Colombian Devil's Breath...


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April 02, 2015, 07:57:57 PM
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yet another method to throw away your lives. I don't understand why these people are so quick to jump on something that they know would kill them sooner or later.

I can only hope that the authorities track it down to where it came from before this drug spread to other cities...

Because the classic, provably safer drugs are all illegal (Weed, MDMA, LSD, Shrooms etc.) That's the reason that newer drugs or "research chemicals" are so popular, it's a direct result of this ridiculous war on drugs. People will always wanna get high, and by keeping the safer drugs illegal, the state is basically causing more deaths and wrecked lives in drug users.
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April 02, 2015, 08:09:09 PM
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I really don't mean to go all tin foil hat here, but weird stuff like this doesn't make sense to me.  Neither did the other Florida-zombie news stories.

I get that there's millions of people living in Florida, and so proportionately the percentage of zombie-drug users is small.  Still, it's hard for me to imagine many cases of this happening.  Drug users usually take drugs for good reasons, mostly because they want to feel better.  I haven't delved into research, but the characterization of these drugs makes it seem as though the experience isn't good for the user, either.  Why are there so many cases?
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April 02, 2015, 08:52:26 PM
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Just read the article, what an atrociously written, blatantly unresearched load of utter shite... christ I thought TIME magazine was a reasonably good source.

Right, I'm gonna try and inject some sense into this thread.

"Flakka" is not new at all, it is just a slang name for alpha-PVP, which has been around for years (according to Wikipedia it was developed in the 60s, and made Schedule 1 in Feb 2014). Now granted, it's not a particularly friendly drug (I haven't tried it but it's one of these very fiendish stimulants that has a long half-life  - think staying up for 4 days, then running out and seeing evil shadow-people everywhere), but that's no reason for such sensationalist, lazy reporting.

Even the first line of the article is fucking bullshit:

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Its effects can be as potent as crystal meth, bath salts or cocaine.


Umm, effects can't be "potent". A drug is potent if it takes a small amount to give high effects. The word they're looking for is "strong". Also Bath Salts is not a drug (like cocaine and meth are) - it is a slang term for any branded bag of powder, containing a generally unknown drug/mixture of drugs/inert powder. Bath salts is just a name that vendors used to get around the FDA licensing - if the packet says "Bath Salts - Not for Human Consumption" then no-one can complain if they die from eating it. So, comparing any drug to "Bath Salts" is shitty journalism.

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it’s the new designer drug hitting the streets of Florida.
No, it was developed 50 years ago and made illegal 1 year ago.

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Flakka is usually made from the chemical alpha-PVP, a synthetic version of the stimulant cathinone, the same class of chemical used to make bath salts

"Made from" means shit, they either mean "It's a slang term for A-PVP", or "Flakka is A-PVP, cut with other shit to bulk it out".
A-PVP is also not "a synthetic version of the stimulant cathinone", and cathinone is not "the same class of chemical used to make bath salts", that's just misinformation.

A-PVP can be synthesised from cathinone (made through a number of chemical reactions, with cathinone as a precursor). Cathinone itself can be either synthesised or extracted from plants such as khat. I think Cathinone has been found in Bath Salt mixtures, but normally you will find things like A-PVP/MDPV as they are far more potent. Bath Salts can contain anything, including synthetic cannabinoids, caffeine, beta-ketones (like mephedrone/methylone/butylone etc), illegal drugs such as methamphetamine and 2C-B/2C-I etc, literally ANYTHING - most of this shit is put together by stoners in their parents basement FFS.

Sorry to rant, but the journalism in some drug related articles is so wrong I feel compelled to correct them, I know a lot about psychoactive drugs and it makes me mad how uneducated the general public are. I just googled "Flakka" and one news story claimed it was a synthetic cannabinoid, one bunched it in with something called "Budder" (which afaict is just strong hash extracted with butane), and the others were just copypastas of the TIME article. Makes me sick.
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April 02, 2015, 10:54:02 PM
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good post. I agree with everything you wrote. Yeah, journalism and pharmacology don't mix well. It's amazing when you know something about what's being written, you start seeing all the mistakes.  Newspapers get drug facts wrong all the time!

By the way, the antidepressant Wellbutrin is a cathinone derivative.  All this synthetic stuff scares me.

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April 03, 2015, 02:55:32 AM
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It comes from a place where we don’t know how it’s being made, who’s making it, and what’s been added to it before it reaches the end user so it’s very dangerous.”

Once the cops solve this part of the puzzle, the problem will most probably be solved.
Now that the cops have identified the drug as a trouble maker, they would be investigating any leads that they have.
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April 05, 2015, 01:36:13 PM
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This is why the government needs to legalize harmless soft-drugs such as cannabis. People turn to hard drugs such as heroin and various synthetic drugs, because they can't access soft drugs.
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August 25, 2015, 01:37:30 PM
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‘Flakka,’ the new killer drug, is spreading across the country


It’s a new drug. And it’s a killer.

Known on the street as “flakka,” the synthetic concoction is hitting hard in Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio and other parts of the country. It’s causing a rash of emergency room visits and overdose deaths.

In one highly publicized Florida case, a man reportedly high on flakka gnawed on and disfigured another man’s face before he was shot to death by police. Another user tried to break down the door of a police station in Fort Lauderdale, and a few weeks later, a man impaled himself while trying to climb a fence around the same station.

While police in the Kansas City area say they know of no cases involving flakka yet locally, they are aware that it could easily migrate here.

And if it does, said Johnny Bivens, sheriff of Lewis County, Ky., local officials are in for a rough ride.

“This is the worst drug I have ever seen in my 18 years of law enforcement across the board,” Bivens said. “Nothing compares to this.”

Also known as alpha-PVP, it has a similar chemical makeup to other drugs commonly known as “bath salts,” according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

It typically comes in a white or pink crystalline form and is foul-smelling. It can be eaten, snorted, injected, or vaporized in an electronic cigarette device, according to the national institute, which has included flakka on a list of emerging trends.

It is particularly potent when vaporized, sending the drug into the bloodstream quickly, and making the user particularly susceptible to overdose.

“Alpha-PVP can cause a condition called excited delirium that involves hyper-stimulation, paranoia and hallucinations that can lead to violent aggression and self-injury,” the institute warns. “The drug has been linked to deaths by suicide as well as heart attack. It can also dangerously raise body temperature and lead to kidney damage or kidney failure.”

Authorities say flakka is easily accessible. It can be purchased online from China and in some parts of the United States has replaced crack cocaine.

Officials in Broward County, Fla., say the drug has contributed to at least 29 deaths over the last year.

While police locally say flakka hasn’t been found here yet, they have dealt with other similar drugs that have led to hospitalizations and deaths.

“The dangerous thing about synthetic drugs is that the chemicals used to make them are always changing,” said Sgt. Chris Cesena of the Kansas City police drug enforcement unit. “The user doesn’t realize what they’re taking. These are harsh chemicals.”

Capt. Dan Cummings of the Jackson County Drug Task Force said synthetic drugs can vary widely in their potency from batch to batch.

In a recent investigation involving the sale of K2, commonly known as synthetic marijuana, Cummings said, confiscated samples tested in a laboratory ranged from 3 to 4 percent pure to as high as 80 to 90 percent.

Someone used to the weaker form is at a higher risk of overdose if they unknowingly ingest a purer form, he said.

Bivens said his office in Kentucky became aware of the drug around last Thanksgiving when reports of people acting strangely, sweating profusely and displaying intense paranoia started coming in.

“They always constantly think that someone is after them,” he said. “One of the main things we have seen was people experiencing rapid weight loss, about 40 pounds a month. People don’t eat. They are up for 10 to 12 days at a time. Their body becomes covered in abscesses.”

Users report that the drug is highly addictive, he said.

And it was highly profitable for the people selling it. Dealers were able to obtain the drug online and were selling it for $250 a gram, he said.

The problem peaked this spring when Bivens said they were responding to two or three flakka-related calls a day.

And more often than not, when his deputies encountered users, they were involved in intense physical encounters to control them.

“Foot chases were going up,” he said. “The use of force was going up because when you encounter these individuals they think you are trying to kill them and they would react and we would have to upgrade the use of force.”

Flakka started appearing in the United States in a handful of cases in late 2012, said Rusty Payne, a spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration in Washington, D.C.

By last year, a “tremendous” number of cases were being reported, he said.

In the last seven or eight years, officials have identified 400 different varieties of synthetic drugs.

“Alpha-PVP or flakka is just another one that has emerged unfortunately and it is causing a lot of problems in a lot of places,” Payne said.

The area hit hardest by the drug is Broward County, Fla. It first surfaced there last year, said Lt. Ozzy Tianga of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office.

At first, because users displayed many of the same symptoms and behaviors seen with cocaine or other synthetic drugs, officials did not realize they were seeing something new, he said.

The level of “excited delirium” experienced by flakka users tended to be much worse, and laboratory testing confirmed the presence of something new, according to Tianga.

“They were acting psychotic, very similar to acting as if they were mentally ill,” he said.

Based on calls from other parts of the country, Tianga said he expects the drug to continue spreading.

“I have received calls from Kentucky, all of the northeast quadrant of the United States, from Texas all the way up to California,” he said.

And because what he calls an “epidemic” is so new, he said, there are no proven rehabilitation methods.

“We have had some individuals who have experienced excited delirium up to five months after they use the drug,” he said. “It is almost like the old-school LSD that could create a delayed response to the drug.”

Payne of the DEA said that despite the claims of those who sell it online, it is illegal in the United States.

“A lot of people like to think legal means safe; therefore I can do this and be safe,” Payne said. “There have been a lot of funerals unfortunately that have operated under that assumption.”



http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article31130234.html





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August 25, 2015, 05:47:14 PM
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Since synthetic designer drugs are all the rage how about a mix of bupropion hydrochloride, buspirone hydrochloride and Cannabicyclohexanol? I'm thinking it 'll make the guy on coke look like a downer.

Warning: may cause seizures, vomiting and death and is probably illegal everywhere. Ask your doctor if this mix is right for you.
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August 25, 2015, 06:15:57 PM
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This is why the government needs to legalize harmless soft-drugs such as cannabis. People turn to hard drugs such as heroin and various synthetic drugs, because they can't access soft drugs.
True, but if somebody wants to try some hard stuff he'll do it anyway, even if he has access to soft drugs.

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August 26, 2015, 01:39:20 AM
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I read this off drudge and was confused. Was it not bath salts that had a guy eating another dudes face? How many drugs could make you eat some ones face!
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August 26, 2015, 01:56:46 AM
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I read this off drudge and was confused. Was it not bath salts that had a guy eating another dudes face? How many drugs could make you eat some ones face!

"Also known as alpha-PVP, it has a similar chemical makeup to other drugs commonly known as “bath salts,” according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse."

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August 26, 2015, 02:09:06 AM
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So nothing new. Its like writing a new story everytime weed vets new name.
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August 26, 2015, 02:18:07 PM
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So nothing new. Its like writing a new story everytime weed vets new name.


Same family as... Not the same. The physiological reaction may look the same, but not the active ingredients. That is how I understand it anyway.

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In my neck of the woods its overdoses on Fentanyl. They are cutting it into all the drugs,even pot. Have had 16 deaths or so this summer from it.
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