Let me give you an analogy. For at least 50 years women have had the option of silicon for breast corrections/augmentation/etc. And there are STILL PROBLEMS! Similarly, if ED is a problem in a segment of the male population, why don't docs fix it? The entire ED population is certainly thousands of times larger than the F-M population or the wannabe possible population.
Maybe the answer is because this stuff is really hard?
On that subject, the last study I read on long term outcomes of M-F was pretty dismal. It wasn't understood whether the reasons were the population that elected for the surgery had numerous other mental health issues, or whether it was caused in whole or part by the procedures. I suspect at least in part the latter, though because biological organisms are very, very complex systems, and monkeying around with one part changes lots of other parts.
But yeah like I said, the argument for feminization of men through junk like hormones in the water supply can stand alone and maybe should.
I agree that it's really hard. As an aside, maybe the reason it's really hard, is because
it's not supposed to be done.
And the reason people have problems after they go through it is because they've turned their back on who they
really were, and trying to be something
they are not.
But that's just IMHO. Feel free to let the whole thread stand on the issues of hormones in the water supply if that floats your boat. I think the conclusion still stands, that people should be upset, and yet the general population are celebrating this feminization of men when they should be furious. But I know the type of people I'm talking about are the type of people who are not reading this.
Okay, let's look at topic/slant/perspective #2 - feminization of men.
What this reminds me of is a change from the "tough guy" 1980s movie hero - Arnold, Willis, etc, to the softened down metrosexual movie star profiles that came after that era. Yes there are exceptions and today there are tough guy profiles but not that many. I always thought this was a media creation, and not a basic change caused by drugging of the population.
So are you arguing it is a systemic population change, and not simply programming (or the attempt to program the populations?)
Yes, though I will agree there is an attempt to program the population into being ok with it and guiding men to be that way. Small example would be Twilight, and the girl choosing a skinny, glittering, feminized version of a man over a more muscular, "manly" man. They're subtle.
But I do believe the things we're eating and the plastics we eat and drink out of, are causing a real change in the biology too. And this is because of all the studies I linked to in the first post. As a country, the US is getting sicker, not healthier. And we're on a runaway train, and never coming back, because the government keeps passing these laws to make it illegal to tell us if our food is GMO or not. (sorry I get emotional about that)
Anyway, if we as a country are getting sicker, and there are studies galore on the cancers popping up, and the autism. I forget if I linked the autism thing in here, but pretty soon it's predicted 50% of babies will be born with autism. It's in a couple of my posts somewhere, anyway. This sickness is showing up as cancer, autism, etc, but I believe it's showing up as a feminization of men too.
I get frustrated because it's being celebrated as a great change, when I feel like we need to be
fixing this. (and by fixing it, I mean stop having fluoride in the water and getting better food) At least give us the ability to choose what we eat with labels, but they're banning that!
