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November 04, 2012, 09:35:56 AM
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Thanks, That a really good read.  I'm saving it on my laptop.  All newbie like me should read it.  I'm working my way through the second thread.

My opinion of the paper is that it great information for someone new to bitcoin.  I totally agree with their suggestion that increased usage could cause a deflationary spiral which most holder of bitcoin would probably love to see.  I think the problem with that idea is that there have to be more ways to use it for it's use to increase.  This growth could be spurred by vendors seeing people actually spending bitcoin.  I actually tried to sell some gift cards on bitmit at a loss without any bites.  Small experiment I guess but at even about a 10% discount to the US dollar I saw no bids.

I would love to see the "bitcoin economy" grow and I think it is in fact growing, solowly but steadily. However: I do not think this is necessary for bitcoin to thrive. It could well be used as a store of wealth only, like gold. A while back I calculated the exchange rate bitcoin would have to have to support the existing community with the function of money by guesstimating the size of it. It came out to be USD 0.25. So the bulk of bitcoins value seems to stem from it's use as a store of wealth.

I think these 2 uses (use to transfer value, use to store value) reciprocally grow on each other in the sense that increased use in one of them improves the usefulness for the other. I wouldn't be able to argue this in detail, though.

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November 04, 2012, 05:21:29 PM
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The idea of cash not being a commodity is a new one. Fiat currency is a failing experiement.

The artificial conceptual divide between commodity and money is nothing but a scam to allow for fractional reserve lending and unlimited money production.

Bitcoin is cash and it is a commodity. Any money that is not a commodity is just a promise on a bit of paper.
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November 04, 2012, 05:32:21 PM
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It seems dangerous to me long term for a currency to be both. 

If Bitcoin weren't used as a currency there would be no demand for them.   They are not useful for anything else.  Thus they would be of no interest to an investor.

Really, it has to be both. It is useless as a currency if it has no value, it will hold no value if it is not used as a currency.

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November 04, 2012, 09:45:40 PM
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I would love to see the "bitcoin economy" grow and I think it is in fact growing, solowly but steadily. However: I do not think this is necessary for bitcoin to thrive. It could well be used as a store of wealth only, like gold. A while back I calculated the exchange rate bitcoin would have to have to support the existing community with the function of money by guesstimating the size of it. It came out to be USD 0.25. So the bulk of bitcoins value seems to stem from it's use as a store of wealth.

I think these 2 uses (use to transfer value, use to store value) reciprocally grow on each other in the sense that increased use in one of them improves the usefulness for the other. I wouldn't be able to argue this in detail, though.

I would enjoy seeing how you calculated the value of a bitcoin in US dollars.

I think the bitcoin currently holds and advantage to the most popular fiat currencies as a storage of wealth because of its current trend of increased value vs those fiat currencies.  This advantage is probably not permanent as it was never intended to be by the developers and faces some considerable risk if there is increased adoption of its' use in a economy, chiefly crime and regulation.
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November 04, 2012, 09:50:03 PM
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It seems dangerous to me long term for a currency to be both. 

If Bitcoin weren't used as a currency there would be no demand for them.   They are not useful for anything else.  Thus they would be of no interest to an investor.

Really, it has to be both. It is useless as a currency if it has no value, it will hold no value if it is not used as a currency.

I would argue that a currencies' true value is the freedom it offers users in a market.  You don't have to trade something to eat for something to wear.  You can trade for something to eat with a currency that's only value is that someone can use it to buy something to wear.
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